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technicality, but they're trying to smack back at the ninth circuit of appeals, which has really dealt them a lot of blows. he has not had many winds in this case, except appointing a special master. and that has turned out to backfire on him. because the special master does not seem to be really ruling in their favor. so, now they're trying to find another avenue for support. and for trump, that's the supreme court where he appoints a third of the justices. and he seems to think that this court, which leans republican, and that has so many of its employees, and in his mind, his people will maybe rule in his favor. but such a small technicality. i'm not sure it will even change the direction of the. case maybe it is just a win is what he needs to change the perception in the public domain right now. so, he's willing to go there. but let us not forget that the supreme court has ruled against him so many times when it comes to disclosing his public information, including to
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january six committee. and i just think it's a risk. because what if he loses? what is he supposed to say? the supreme court are bunch of traders? these are the people he appointed. >> of course, [laughs] , of course that's exactly what you do. john, listen, tara really just said how i feel. is it because it's such a small carve out here, right? is it -- our he and his attorneys pointing to this one little thing that they could win, so they at least can say that they have a win, even though it is -- it seems incremental, or, you know, it does not really matter that much? you get my point? i >> do, i do. and while it is not always clear what trump is doing, it's always clear he's looking for delay. this will certainly assure some delay in. how long, it's unpredictable. clarence thomas the circuit who -- it's his circuit, as a member the supreme court to take jurisdiction over. he took the case right and. he could've sat on it, done
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nothing. but he apparently thinks it is not a big emergency. but there is some urgency, enough to get the justice department to file a response brief. which i think will blow this whole thing right down to the minutiae it really is. which is giving trump's lawyers access to the classified documents they do not have access to. >> again, look, more clearly to the point is trying to make here, this emergency request is over that very narrow subset of classified documents. even if trump gets his way, do you think this is going to stop the doj from investigating his handling of these highly sensitive documents? >> john? >> is that to me, don? >> no, i don't think this will stop the investigation at all. to the contrary, i think that regardless of what happens, they are going to continue with their criminal pursuit. what this could do, it could
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make it a little more complex if they lost at the supreme court level. but not hampered their ultimate objective of trying to find out what trump has done to the national security and whether or not he should be indicted for abusing our national security information. so, i think those are very much on track. and he has done nothing to deflect that. >> charlie, you're chomping a bit to get in here, what you want to say? >> it's clear to me that trump is simply trying to delay this process. that's all it's about. he wanted the district court level. and his crack lawyer team got beat unlike mules at the appellate level. he's a strike gum up the works, slow it down. i don't think it's going to -- i don't think it will really affect the investigation materially itself. and that's at the supreme court level. it's a hail mary pass. i do not think you'll be successful. >> do you think is trying to get some win here, anywhere in? >> i think he would like to see the appellate court overturned. but i doubt that would. happen so, he's going to the
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supreme courts, you know this is a last gas effort, he's slowing it down. and i'm not sure really what he's going to gain from it other than slow it down. >> trump has said he could have declassified material just by thinking about it, watch. >> if you are the president of the united states, you can declassify just by saying it's declassified, even by thinking about it. because you are sending it to mar-a-lago or wherever you are sending it. when you send it, it's declassified. we, i declassified everything. i mean -- how can >> we how can anybody take him seriously? it's idiotic what he's saying. people are taking it seriously. now the minds here, at least in your legal minds, except the conservative networks who are just, you know, so far, you
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know what that they can't see daylight. listen, whether it -- joined the, whether it's at the supreme court, or with a special master, does the trump have to present actual proof that he declassify anything, and will that matter to the case that the doj wants to bring? >> first of all, it's not relevant to a potential criminal case that is apparently the one that justice department is considering based on their warrant, their search warrant. whether it's classified or not. there, it just deals with the content of the national defense information that we contained in these documents, apparently. so, classification is not relevant there. noor is relevant under the presidential records act, as to whether he can claim possession or not. typically, no president has ever tried to claim that classified documents are his personal records. just the way they are generated within the intelligence
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community defies belief that trump could think that these are somehow his possessions. i, i don't get it. and the brief itself that was filed with clarence thomas today, that he has sent on for justice to take action on, fudge is the issue again. does not make any issue to say whether they're calling these document classified or unclassified. it's sort of just uses some fudge words in their, and proceeds, and does not flush it out. at some point, some judge is going to ask the lawyers for trump, to be clear, are you seeing these documents are classified or declassified? let's make it clear, get out on the table. that has not happened yet. >> you know, this investigation, tara, loves over the midterms and the prospects of trump running for president in 2024. he has not announced it. does it depend on how this case goes? >> i think this latest move is the narrative shift that i'm sure he wants ahead of an announcement that he's running for president. but i have heard from people in his inner circle that these
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investigations are weighing down on him. just this summer, we are hearing every week, oh, we're about to plan and revenge. there is gonna be a big announcement. he could tweet at any moment that he's got to run for president. but you are hearing less and less of that. he's become preoccupied with these investigations. and perhaps, they think that he needs some winds ahead of the midterms. even though he is not on the ballot, as we know. but he is sort of there, right. and the narrative lately has been that he is losing, especially, you know, in the court of public opinion and legally. so, i could see this as a momentum builder ahead of the midterms. and possibly ahead of his own announcement for presidency. >> i don't think he's going to run. but that's just me, charlie, listen, and don't forget though that there's a lot going on here. separate doj investigations, the january 6th that's happening, the fulton county investigation over pressure to change clothes. despite all these investigation though, is trump still a viable candidate for the gop, you think? >> i think he's a viable primary candidate. i think he can win a primary, today, into days republican party. of course, the big question is can he win a general election?
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and i would argue that he so deeply flawed he cannot. now, maybe if there was three party, a three person race, he might build pull something out. but i think he's so deeply flawed, so deeply discredited. i always felt that he has been a diminishing figure. >> you said that a lot. i think for the average person, charlie, you and i are on the same page. the average person is just tired of his bs, his antics. to the die hard trump supporter, they love him and, they always will. but for the average person, they just don't want the -- >> we will see what happens in this mid term, if republicans underperform significantly, i can assure you that donald trump is going to take a lot of the blame by making himself the center of attention. everyone knows that this should have been a great republican here. but, because of donald trump's interventions, and the dobbs ruling, i mean, he's -- i just don't see how he's viable going forward. and if you talk to a lot republican, they are tired of him. they do not want him to run. they are not enthusiastic. and i keep reading reports that trump may not have his heart into it this time. but, he might do it anyways.
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but, we will see. at some point, republicans are going to get tired of losing. lose the house, lose the senate, you lose a lot of winnable races, look at some these candidates who've been nominated, who are really going to lose very winnable races for the gop. at some point, the adults are going to say, you know, we are a party, we are supposed to win seats. you cannot govern if you do not win. and trump is not helping them win. >> and you cannot govern to with all of this chaos. that makes it hard to govern. it makes it hard for the gop, at least traditionally i think so to stand out what they believe in. you talk about abortion rights, what have, you and you've a candidate who's possibly a senator who has allegedly paid for an abortion. do you get my point? >> governance was hard even before trump. we had a group of republican members, i have to say that, who i called projectionist wing of the party. who simply could not get to yes. who did not understand that they had to [interpreter] -- on some things. keep the country open, not to default on some obligations. and i fear that that group of
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people may be growing after this midterms. and if republicans have the majority, i can assure, you we are gonna see some pretty chaotic governments issues. who's going to vote for these things. republicans are gonna have to vote to keep the government open if they have the majority, with joe biden as president. >> but you're going to run again, right? >> talk to my wife. >> [laughs] >> she's watching right now. [laughs] >> thank you all, i appreciate it. a secret recording of alleged oath keepers meeting discussing plans to bring weapons to washington and, we've got that recording. it's going to be a fight. but let's do it right, and let's do it well, because trump is stitill commander-in-chief. ...an independent organization that sets strict quality and purity standards. nature made. the number o one pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand.
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the leaders of the far-right militia, the oath keepers, and today, federal prosecutors played a secret recording of an alleged november 2020 planning eating that appears to show the oath keepers planning for violence in washington. the five oath keepers leaders are being charged with seditious conspiracy in which carries a maximum sentence of 20 years behind bars. joining me now to discuss, the senior national correspondent, sara sidner, and former fbi special agent mike drummond. so good to have all of you on. sarah, i want to get to you because the secret that was played in court today, what we learned today? >> look there were a lot of reporting played in court today, all of them secretly recorded by someone who was on the call. it was an oath keeper planning call according to the fbi agent who had taken the stand to verify the voices and the words that were coming out of the mouth of some of the members of the oath keepers. including stewart rhodes, the leader and founder of the oath keepers. he was secretly recorded in november of 2020.
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so this was obviously long before january six. so it's in this planning a meeting with his oath keeper group. here's what he says. we are not getting out of this without a fight. there is going to be a fight. but let's do it smart. and let's do it while president trump is still commander in chief. now he wasn't the only person that recorded sort of talking about sort of finding in terms of being mad. that president trump had lost the election and that joe biden was going to take the presidency. we also heard from two other defendants, one was jessica watkins, who posture says always trying to fit it as a transgender person that she was trying to put into this group. and kelly mags, both of whom are seen in side of the capitol, unlike roads, who only seen outside the capital. there was recording them discussing weapons and whether or not what weapons are legal to bring into the district of
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columbia. which has a very strict laws about bringing in firearms. to this particular area. here is kelly megs talking about that. >> pepper spray, [inaudible] and sungold are legal. it doesn't hurt to have a lead pipe with a flag on it. for example, -- [inaudible] i was put four -- but i had my helmet in my hand is what that was -- [inaudible] across the face. >> it's a lot of talk of violence, but the defense says, look, these were all things that happens in the lead up to a november 14th big maga rally here in d.c.. and at the time, there was no january six. it's hadn't been planned, there weren't talking about it, they never mentioned january six in these recordings that were played to the jury. but a lot of what you heard there really goes to the case
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that the prosecutors were putting on. this is part, in the beginning, of stages, of this plan, to stop the peaceful transfer of power gone? >> one of the oath keepers defendants spoke with cnn after court, what are they saying? >> we heard from thomas caldwell, i want to remind you who he is. he is a navy better and, he lived in virginia. he didn't really know this group at first but you're gonna see a lot of things going back and forth and he is one of the people and only one who is not an actual member of the oath keepers but what they are calling an associate of the oath keepers. he is also according to the government, the leader of these quick reaction forces who was talking a lot about bringing weapons to virginia, to state them in virginia, at a hotel, in order to bring them over -- when the time came, that they were called for, in case, quote unquote, needed in this scenario on january six. but here is what he says. >> it went well.
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it went well. it was a long way to go, and the tooth is going to come out, the truth is going to come out! and i have all faith in my lord and savior jesus christ, it's going to be fine. >> so that's him outside of court today. i was in quite watching the proceedings today, and i will tell you that the truth according to prosecutors is that he and the others try to stop the transfer of power. that is why they are facing a very serious charge, the most serious charge, so this is conspiracy. they defendant attorneys, basically say look, they did a lot of talking, a lot of bombastic things. but you cannot you know say it's illegal to what they are talking about. that they are not responsible for this. so it'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. but there's a whole lot of evidence, don. >> all right mike, these prosecute, federal prosecutors, are alleging the oath keepers in d.c., d.c. recordings seem to really help that argument. >> yeah exactly.
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it's just very rare, when you have a conspiracy case, to have evidence -- the solid. right? one of the things you have to prove a conspiracy case is that there is an agreement to commit a future crime. and this tape actually is that agreements occurring in realtime. as it's happening. so it's really powerful evidence. and i think is a smart tactic by the prosecutors to put this right up front. even though as it came out, that they weren't yet talking about january six. but the agreement lasted through january six. so the fact of the agreement is an essential element to the crime. >> as you and sarah both made, clear the sicker recording as from november of 2020. was given to the fbi later that month. the fbi never reached out. i mean it wasn't until march 2021 won the tip, to the fbi, was resubmitted and then the fbi made contact.
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could violence have been prevented on the six if the fbi had acted on the tip sooner? >> it certainly highly likely that they could have been better prepared for the attack. this was -- is just one other piece of information that the fbi had available. and we know that there were internal reports within the fbi, we know that other law enforcement agencies were receiving reports and passing them on through intelligence sharing mechanisms. so the fbi's original story that they didn't have threat warning -- this is another piece of evidence that that's actually are not accurate. >> even because we've heard for months before january six that the fbi was on the lookout for what domestic terrorists. we know christopher wray was testifying about this before congress. and september of 2021. you know saying that the biggest threat to our country, that's the biggest threat to our country faces. bases was quite domestic terrorist. it seems that they would have
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been ahead at least thinking about this, or should have been on the radar. >> certainly should have been. one of the things that was bothering me during that period was a lot of the violence these groups were engaging in what's happening in public. right? they weren't hiding what they were doing. you might remember the oath keepers were involved, and the standoff with federal law enforcement agents. bundy ranch in nevada, and -- oregon, -- modeled her wildlife refuge. so this is resistance to law enforcement -- oath keepers have engaged in prior. so there was plenty of criminal predicate for the fbi, to justify a broad investigation. and we know the oath keepers were only one of several groups that weren't there on january six. so it's hard to imagine why they didn't understand that all of these groups coming to d.c. at the same time, posed a
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problem. >> sarah, this trial is happening in federal court, where cameras are not allowed. for cases significant, wouldn't transparency be better here? listen, you are our eyes and ears, and the reporters and producers who are in that courtroom. but just for the sake of transparency, you know? >> i -- i don't know if it's as much transparency, because literally, every single word that's being said and quite as being sent out in some form. but i do think that it is seeing is believing. right? so if the public sees people talking, when they can relate and listen to tone of voice, and listen to the back and forth, and that directs, and the redirects, and the cross-examination -- it really helps paint a picture for the public. but let's remember -- federal court has never had cameras allowed in the courts. and in this case, it is really about what the jury hears when you are talking about justice, it's about what the jury hears. the evidence the jury sees. and how they go about looking at it, going through it.
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this is going to take about six weeks, don. and i gotta tell you, it is mind-blowing how much information this jury is going to have to look through and sift through to try to come up with their verdict. there is a lot! and when i say a lot, i mean more than i've ever seen of evidence in this case. plus you have five defendants and each of them have at least one attorney. so there's a lot to see here. and we will be in court watching it all. >> at least one attorney. that means some of them more -- buckle up, sarah, you'll be there for a. well mike chairman thank you for being here on as well. >> thanks for having. the >> ukrainian forces pushing further into russian occupied territory. they are making their way towards the strategic town of kherson in the south. why taking back the city could be a deciding factor in this conflict? that is next! answer a few questions and our techno wizardry calculates your car's value and gives you a real offer in seconds we'll come to you pay you on thehe spot then pick up your car that's it at carvana
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>> you can employ says advancing in russian occupied territory, pushing further into the southern kherson region. that area is one of the four reasons regions, russia has claimed as their, own after holding sham referendums. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy talk with success of what he calls the fast and powerful advance. so joining me now democratic congressman jason crow, member of the house armed services and intelligence committees. and cnn military analyst colonel cedric leighton. good evening to both of you. thank you so much, colonel i'll start with you. ukraine appearing to keep up its momentum with these new gains, give us the lay of the land here. what is happening with ukrainian counter offensive? and why is it so successful? >> well this is really interesting, don, because what
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you see, when you look at the map of big ukraine right here, you've got some significant advances that the ukrainians were able to make in the area right near kharkiv. so everything to the north and east of kharkiv, is been part of the scene that they've been really so successful at. and when you look at the advances specifically, you see the four regions, these are the ones that putin had said he is going to annex -- we are talking about luhansk, donetsk, zaporizhzhia, and kherson. these four areas right here, look at how much the russians actually control. they basically control these areas right in through here. but everything you see it's being contested by the ukrainians. and what's particularly specific about this, right in this area, they are getting all of the logistical resupply areas that the russians have in this area. that's significant because potentially, what they can do is they can cut off the russians and move them out of
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this area back into russia itself. which is right here. now when you look at into the her song region, in the southern part right here, look at what the ukrainians have done here. the object is to get kherson, which is a ukrainian city that the russians occupied, at the early parts of this war. right, now they are finally able to move forward, and they've gotten villages like this one, alex's -- -- these are an important villages, because what they do is this begins the process for the ukrainians to move in like this. and if they do, this they can cut off the russian forces that are in kherson and also on the west bank of the dnipro river. and that is a big deal for them at this point. >> congresswoman, i'll bring you, and because the u.s. is announcing today, an additional 600 and $25 million in security systems to ukraine. what we know the ukrainians also want long wait rockets from the biden administration. do you think the u.s. is
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providing enough to the ukrainians? >> well i think we are doing a remarkable job of supporting ukrainians, and this administration has moved massive amounts of equipment, and weapons, to the ukrainians, and really, historic's speed. but there is more to the story as well. we are also providing intelligence support, also providing training. we are providing strategic support, planning support, there are so many things that we are doing that are putting the position that ukrainians in position to win. it's astonishing actually what's happening. you know six months ago, nobody would have given the ukrainians a chance. because on paper, the russians have every advantage. the second largest military in the world, they've had every advantage, just from an analytical perspective. but this shows that paper armies do not fight. real ones do! so all of the problems that the russians are encountering, are showing that the dark underbelly of the russian military. it's also showing the courage,
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the prowess, the bravery, and the will of the ukrainians. >> you know, colonel, i want to talk about this new a package, it includes four more high mobility artillery rocket systems. as well as additional howitzers. and ammunition. how important are these weapons to ukrainians? >> don, there are incredibly important because when you look at the weapons system like the himars, for example, and what we have here a graphic, to show. depending on the type of model of himars that you get, it's gonna have a range of up to 300 miles. now the ukrainians right now have a shorter range version of this. and it doesn't go that far. but this is what it is capable of. it can also, other key thing here, and this relates to the eighth sacrum system, that can be launched from a himars launching system. these weapon systems are critically important because what they enable is the targeting up all of the different entities that the russians have. so if you look for example, at
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the map right here, and the rangers that are possible, if you have himars located in areas like this, you can in essence, grab everything in these areas right here. and if you do that, this puts all of the russian forces in ukraine at risk. and that becomes a critical thing for the ukrainians to do, i also advances the goals of course of the western alliance. >> congressman, as a russian diplomat warning today, u.s. military aid, like the package announced today. hastens a possibility of a military clash between russia and nato. are you worried about this complex getting bigger than it is? especially given putin's unpredictability? >> well we always have to be diligent, to putin's erratic tendencies. he's certainly is desperate, now he is suffering domestic political pressure. the likes of which he has never actually seen during this tenure as president. so he is starting to do unusual
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things. so they have been or the administration has been looking at all the different scenarios, looking at the different contingencies. they've had done this methodically, and deliberately, with an eye toward escalation. so we cannot at the end of the day, we cannot allow a lot of my putin to have veto power over the way that we are going to support our partners and our allies. we have to do what's necessary to put the ukrainians in a position to win. and this is the way i've always put it -- we have to be willing to do what's necessary that include providing of the attack, ends the providing of advanced fighters, and everything that ukrainians need, to win, that they have shown their ability to use. we have to do what's necessary to put them in the position to win. otherwise, what we are doing is we are voicing a status quo. and the status quo will of ventrally be won by russia. ukrainians have demonstrated over the last couple of months, they can win this, they have the momentum. they have the tactical and strategic capability. now it's time to finish this off and provide the support
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necessary. >> congressman, i have to ask you about this ukrainian police claiming today to have uncovered a torture chamber in a town formally occupied by russian forces in eastern ukraine. police say among the items found was a container full of extracted gold teeth, local residents say that they heard screaming, constantly, from the building. as a veteran yourself, what do you think when you see something like this? >> well, during the invasion, in iraq, when i was a paratrooper, they've saw these storm or troopers paratroopers, all the signs of the history of the torture of the saddam hussein regime. it's terrible, it's horrific, it's the worst of human nature. and unfortunately, it's happening with a terrible horrific prevalence by the russians in ukraine. they are committing war crimes. they are doing brutal terrorist things. they are using rape as a weapon of war. they are murdering innocent civilians. they are torturing and executing people, they are folding mass graves. and the only way it'll stop --
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if the ukrainians stop it. with our support! so we have to make sure that is getting done. and that's also why, as a member of the intelligence committee, and leading an effort, to create a coordinator, within the intelligence committee, to actually gather all the evidence, all of these war crimes, so it can be eventually used for prosecutions so we can bring these folks to justice. >> thank you congressman, thank you colonel, i appreciate it! the death toll from hurricane ian currently stands at 105. fort myers beach was one of the hardest hit areas, and next, we have an update on the search and rescue efforts from a local official. with the latest technology. we can replace your windshield ...and recalibrate your safety system. >> customer: and they recycledd my old glass. >> tech: don't wait. schedule today.. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. . ♪
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it has been almost a week since hurricane and tore through the latest cnn confirming the state's death toll now stands at 105. fort myers beach was among the hardest hit communities, for more on where things stand now i want to bring in fort myers beach city councilman dam -- >> councilman i predict joining us, sorry again you are going through this. it is vanilla we since hurricane ian hit, so far your are counting, lee county, 55 confirmed deaths. talk to me about the search and rescue process there. are you expecting the death toll to rise? i hope not. >> well -- yeah, you and i both.
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i hope not. there's a very good chance that it probably could, i was down again today on the beach, and the dogs were out searching there on the second wave, so they've completed their first wave of search and rescue. they started their second where they have the dogs out doing a little more in-depth search with the stronger noses if you will -- to do some searches, one of the streets it looked at they had maybe alerted to another situation. so unfortunately, that's our reality, we are still going through it. there is a lot of entities there in town we got people from pennsylvania, virginia, texas, i obviously the state of florida. there is quite a few teams out there trying to get some answers, trying to get people in contact with their loved ones. you know patience right now for everyone that wants to get back on the island is very important, why these professionals
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complete their mission. >> yeah. just looking at -- you are loving it, but we are looking at the video up on the screen. it's just really unfathomable. you talked about the professionals that are down there, helping, and the people wanting to get back. you say people are ready to get back and build back. how much longer will they have to wait to get the all clear? do you think to return to their homes, or what's left of the -- >> well, about -- we have originally, some of the residents were able to walk on the island to get back to their homes. our southbridge was compromised, one of the south by just coming onto the islands. so really one way to get on to the island, that was from the north side, in the past bridge. and the people -- you know, because of that, we have to haul stuff, five, seven miles down the island to be able to get stuff. people were pushing shopping carts from the local grocery store. with their stuff in it. it was really hindering the
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process of the search and rescue teams to do their job. so the decision was made to close the bridge down. there is a difficult decision -- but in my opinion, it was the right decision. in one day, they had about 23%, roughly, of the island searched. when the decision was made to close the island. in one day, it's wet from 23% to over 90%. it was charged with a first wave. so i believe that it was the right decision. as far as when people are going to be able to get back on the island. you know originally, we shut it down for a week. hopefully that timeframe was still intact. we certainly want people to be able to get back to their homes, to retrieve whatever they can. to saw voyage what they can, to protect their homes, which ones are still left standing. but we have to let these professionals do their job. we have to -- there's so many, many people, who haven't had contact with their family members. it's important that they get
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some closure, some answers, hopefully we can give them some answers, hopefully we still find some people that are still missing. they'll be county sheriff's doing an excellent job, the officials in lee county, the state, federal, everyone has pulled their resources. and it's really impressive to see the amount of people out there, even though they are not from the state, whatever state they are from. they are very compassionate, they are very thorough, very kind to people. they come across with. they are very good at what they do. we just need to give them the time. >> as we see in these situations -- so many people who come out to help, councilman, thank you! again, sorry you are dealing with this. that's the, block and will continue to update our viewers on this important that they know what's going on. and we hope that you guys get back to normal. whenever that is, as soon as possible. thanks so much. be well. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back, ...an indepependent organization
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so police in northern california investigating the possibility that a zero killer is in their midst. authorities in stop and say five homicides committed this year between early july and late september are linked through ballistic evidence and they're connecting those murders to make killing and nearby oakland in 2021. also through ballistic evidence. so late tonight's top police -- releases video of some other calling a person of interest who has been seen on multiple videos, related to several on the shootings. i want to bring now cnn chief law enforcement, and intelligence, analyst, mr. john -- >> john, thanks. good to see you, what is going on here? you've got this police releasing the surveillance video. person of interest. and the six homicides.
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saying that they have seen this person on multiple videos, related to several of the shooting incident. so what do you think? what can you tell us? >> well we've got a guy who did two shootings, one in oakland, 70 miles away. 400 days ago. and then 16 days later. and then he goes quiet for more than a year. and then he starts doing another shooting and homicide. basically every couple of weeks. so where did he go for that year? and what made him return to killing and pick up that pace? so they are going to be looking for that. and you know, the matches they are making our ballistic matches. so is it possible that there is more than one person yet? yet possible. is it likely? based on thery and offended characteristics? no. we've got a hungry seeing her serial killer out there who is probably on the prow more often than not. and who only strikes when they conditions are as he chooses. which is desolate areas, a
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victim who is alone, no obvious billy video cameras, which is why the image of him are just these silhouettes for a few seconds. >> but why you? is the heat on? why did he stop for a year, he or she? >> well that could be a couple of things. it could be that he tried it a couple of times and something made him nervous. it could be that he got arrested for something and went away for a year. >> well there's just -- one surviving victim, a woman who actually encountered the suspect, holding a gun, this is more than a year ago. she's lucky to be alive. what kind of information you think she was able to share? >> we learn a lot from her, she is a homeless person at that time. she's in a tent and he comes in through the tent with the intent of shooting her. and she comes at him and drives him back. now he shooter, she loves, but she's the only victim that we can say saw him and interacted with them. she says that he wore a mask covering his face. he didn't say anything. and you know, she's a miracle,
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to be alive. >> commonalities connecting all of these shootings and both -- stop. tim what kind of fiscal evidence you'll be looking for in a crime scene to link them altogether? you would be looking for the bullets recovered. >> either from the victims, or if they went through the victims. you will be looking for shell casings from that's gone if they were injected their. that is how they are matching these crimes together. and you are looking for, how is he choosing these victims? another number of them are homeless, but also maybe operating on the assumption that people walking alone in the streets at that hour may be homeless and a couple of cases, he could be wrong. >> where does this investigation go from here? >> where the bad news is every time he strikes again, police get more clues, his risk factor goes up -- the good news is all this attention and additional patrols, and the heat, may drive him underground. or as we've seen in the past, it may drive him to another
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location where he just picks up again where he is not expected. >> let's hope they get them. we appreciate you, thank you, john miller, we'll see you soon. >> thank you for watching everyone, our coverage continues. an repeplace your windshield ...and recalibrate your safetety system. > customer: and they recycld my old glass. >> tech: donon't wait. schedule today. >> singers: ♪ safelite repapai, safelite replace. ♪
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most people aren't ex presidents and most ex presidents are not like this ex president. in a moment what our legal panel makes the move will be joined as well eric holder, was first cnn correspondent jessica schneider. on exactly what the former president's lawyers are asking for and perhaps significantly what justice they're asking. just go what more do we know about with the former president is seeking from the court? >> right now they father's day marginally requests at the courts understand. even though they waited almost two weeks after the 11th circuit ruled on this. and now we are finding out of the justice department has one more week to file its response. so trump's team here, they are asking for a very limited relief. basically what they want is a special master to get access to these 100 classified documents that he's been blocked from reviewing ever since the 11th circuit ruled. and crucially here, if the special master regains access that would mean that trump's legal team would also see these classified documents. that is something that they've long been angling for. and what trump team is arguing is that they

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