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presidents and most ex presidents are not like this ex president. in a moment what our legal panel makes the move will be joined as well eric holder, was first cnn correspondent jessica schneider. on exactly what the former president's lawyers are asking for and perhaps significantly what justice they're asking. just go what more do we know about with the former president is seeking from the court? >> right now they father's day marginally requests at the courts understand. even though they waited almost two weeks after the 11th circuit ruled on this. and now we are finding out of the justice department has one more week to file its response. so trump's team here, they are asking for a very limited relief. basically what they want is a special master to get access to these 100 classified documents that he's been blocked from reviewing ever since the 11th circuit ruled. and crucially here, if the special master regains access that would mean that trump's legal team would also see these classified documents. that is something that they've long been angling for. and what trump team is arguing is that they say the 11th
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circuit didn't have the jurisdiction to act when it did. and now they want the supreme court to step in. notably, this request from trump's team goes directly to justice clarence thomas. but that is actually because he oversees all petitions that come in from the 11th circuit. it is likely here that justice thomas will refer this to the full court to decide this issue. but anderson, we have seen trump appeal to the supreme court several times in the next few years, with little success. it was just earlier this year that the justices allowed the january 6th select committee to gain access to the white house record, notably justice thomas dissented from that. and back in 2020, they ruled that they could not block his financial documents from prosecutors in new york. so this was filed as an emergency order, the justices could potentially rule pretty quickly after the doj response to this early next week on tuesday. >> what does it mean for the justice departments investigation, the handling of the documents? >> it really won't have any effect, because notably trump's
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team, they are not asking the supreme court to stop the doj from using these 100 classified documents in the criminal investigation. so the doj's probe should continue as normal here, while the emergency request is considered. even if the doj were to lose this at the supreme court, they really would not be affected, because trump's request only goes to the special master getting access to these documents. and so trump's team is really asking for very limited relief,. very narrow technical and procedural grounds here, but if past is prologue, it's likely that the supreme court will not step here. it's not like they didn't disturb a lower court finding earlier this year, when trump did in fact have to hand over his white house records. we will see what happens, they could come back very quickly. >> thank you very much. joining us now a senior supreme court analyst, also cnn contributor for the former nixon white house counsel john dean. and republican strategist dave urban, who is a cnn political commentator. john, i know you have looked over this emergency application.
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what do you make of the trump team legal argument? >> i didn't see much of an emergency, the first opening paragraph starts out that the emergency apparently being the fact that he believes that his opponent in the last election is after him now that he is out of office. that is pretty weak, and so i think that the emergency is thin, the arguments are highly technical. and not the sort of thing that the supreme court, i would think, would want to get into given their current standing and public opinion. >> do you agree with that? if donald trump sends this to the rest of the court, how do you think that would rule? >> a couple things out of context here, and definitely what john says about the time that the court is at right now. with so many questions about his legitimacy, just coming off
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a very tumultuous terms where they have reversed a half century of abortion rights. so many people are questioning the justice's stature in america. but set aside those very big questions, this is actually a small granular request here, involving jurisdictional questions on an interlocutor-y appeal. what is likely to happen is that we will see the justice department's response next week when they file, and then the justices are likely to give the trump team another day or so to file their response to that. and then i think conceivably this would be a very straightforward question for them that is likely to face a denial. former president trump has always thought that he had the supreme court on his side. for many of his issues during the administration, in his policy questions, the court did side with this conservative stance, but when you think about all these different cases that donald trump has brought to the supreme court as an individual.
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the financial documents cases that we had back in 2020, the election requests that he made at the end of 2020, and then just earlier this year when he was trying to block documents from the archives, he has lost all those. this one is set up to be a loser, but i just want to caution, we don't know, and we haven't seen what will probably be seven days of arguments unfolding on paper. >> david, do you think this legal strategy about the former president is a delay tactic? >> anderson, the president is famous for three days, deny, delay, and distract. this is delay, it is the next step, the 11th circuit ruled, and so there's only one more place to go. as john points out, this is a legal technical question. his lawyers can make a straight face argument in front of the court, without getting
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sanctioned, and have a leg to stand on. at the end of the day, as john points out, the supreme court will probably not roll in his favor. it's either going to put up or shut up. the district court judge, even if trump wins, if she gets access to these documents she may not rule in's favor and may not roll as he pleases even if it goes that way, the court hearing might not even go his way ultimately. >> how do you think the justice department is going to respond? >> the justice department has dug in. it has laid out arguments, over several chapters of this including to essentially support what the 11th circuit has done. and so i suspect what it will do is lift key passages from the 11th circuit's ruling, saying that look, this court thought it out, we are at a stage in the litigation that this is not time for the supreme court to intervene. and essentially, just replay
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its original arguments and the arguments that we saw from the 11th circuit. which really, you know, point by point, took apart key issues of the district court judge's decision. but again, there were several elements to that, former president trump is only appealing this little narrow question. i think the justice department will handle it pretty swiftly. >> john, if the supreme court doesn't take it up, is there anything the trump legal team will make? >> i don't know if the trump team will, but i think the justice department might. they were considering an appeal of the entire earlier ruling. so, given the passage of time, they me reassess that. but there's a possibility they might want to eliminate some of this is precedent and go in and
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clean and out. they have a very strong backing of at least three person panel at this point. >> john dean, david urban, -- thank you so much. the supreme court -- he section of the voting rights act. the case concerned how alabama re-drew its congressional map. -- deluded the power of black voters in the state. but recall in 2013 invalidated another section of the law and shelby county, alabama. eric holder, who was attorney general at the time, joins us now. he's the author of our unfinished march: the violent past, an imperiled future of the vote, a history, a crisis, a plan. thank you for being with us. i want to get to this key voting rights case in just a second. you heard the panel discuss the request from former president trump to get the supreme court involved in this classified documents case. any reaction to that? >> yeah. i think it's just a delay and distract move, as was indicated. it's not a substantive appeal.
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and i actually think that as we are focusing on it, we're talking about this, i actually think -- i understand the strategic decision they made to only focus on the hundred classified documents. the notion of a special master in this case at all is inconsistent with -- these things. and so, i expect the supreme court will give this short shrift -- the delay, the distraction will have occurred, and the justice department will get back to doing the investigation they need to to do a damage assessment and see what crime as occurred so the intelligence capabilities of the u.s.. let's talk about what argued before, the merrill v. millican, for the benefit of our audience, who are not attorneys -- are following this case closely -- talk about what it is -- regarding the voting rights act. of 1965. >> this was about a racial gerrymandering case in alabama
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that pilots section two of the voting rights act of 1965. about 27% of the people who live in alabama are african american. as we look at december seven member delegation -- there goes the united states house of representatives. and applying the applicable law, you'd expect there would be at least two opportunity districts, that is, two districts in which african americans would have the opportunity to pick a representative of their choice. the alabama republican legislature drew the lines in such a way that they cracked the african american population and essentially put them in only one district. therefore, you only have about 14% of the representation that they are entitled to in alabama. so the supreme court has to decide whether or not -- the lower court said the alabama legislature did was in violation of the voting rights act. supreme court has to decide -- whether or not that lower court was in fact correct. >> the case was argued alabama
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solicitor general. what is alabama asking the high court? for sure and you think they'll get what they want? >> it's not totally clear to me what they're asking for. i suppose what they're trying to do is get the voting rights act interpreted and such a way that what they did, which is inconsistent with long-standing precedent, that what they did is somehow not violated of the -- [inaudible] >> i'm afraid we lost the connection with former attorney general eric holder. we'll continue to try to get in touch with him. we'll try to actually get in touch with them now, and will try to get back, talking about a case that was argued -- >> we can get a. back up next, -- senator candidate herschel walker banning abortion with quote no exception in my mind, except allegedly for that time,
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>> we are five weeks a day away from in terms, so it's not surprising to see candidates doing whatever they can to appeal to their base. senator ron johnson, republican from wisconsin, is once again downplaying the attack on our nation's capital. listen to this from today. >> protesters did teach us all -- armed insurrection, i'd say it's not accurate. >> at his latest remarks, the rotary club it milwaukee, i really nothing new in -- senator johnson calling people marching on the capitol, some of them you see here, quote, people that love this country, the truly respect law enforcement, would never do anything to break the law. and, speaking to fox, he said, quote, the fact of the matter
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is even calling it isn't insurrection, it wasn't. since then, senator johnson has had many opportunities to become better informed. -- five are on trial right now charged with seditious conspiracy. a texas man sentenced this summit to more than seven years -- illegally carrying a firearm to the capital. or christopher albert's of maryland, arrested while fleeing the capitol with a loaded pistol. -- firearm on capitol grounds. or perhaps senator johnson might have turned into january six hearings, and listen to recordings from law enforcement that day talking about people who -- former president incited. >> a white male. about six feet tall. brown cowboy boots. he's got blue jeans, and a blue jeans jacket. and underneath the jacket, -- ar-15. they have glock's, pistols. >> -- on his right hip. >> i have three men walking
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down the street. a carrying ar-15s. >> these are people, you remember, when the former president wanted to be let through the metal detectors for his speech, because according to the testimony of white house aide cassidy hutchinson, they're not here to hurt me. they did, however, budget, beat, and pepper spray -- maim police officers. senator johnson would've been able to know this and just a few hours immediately after the attack. in a statement to cnn today -- racial justice protesters in the summer of 2020 with the january six rioters. quoting her now, all of us on the types of objects they've been using all summer now considered part of an armed insurrection. he's in a way condoning this action. he's commenting on the hypocrisy of the situation. problem is, that's not what he set. it's not the first time he said
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it. next to georgia, where the republican senate candidate who's running as a pro-life family values conservative, is facing the allegation is not practiced what he is preaching to voters now. cnn's eva mackinnon reports. >> it's a flat out lie. >> former nfl star and georgia republican senate nominee herschel walker denying -- paid a former girlfriend to have an abortion. >> the seed is very important. i do anything to win this seat. >> his comments to fox news come in the wake of a daily beast story that is up ended the competitive contest between walker and incumbent democratic senator, raphael warnock. the website reports walker paid for an unnamed woman to have an abortion in 2009. writing a personal check for $700, and reportedly sending a get wild card. >> i never asked anyone to get an abortion. i never paid for an abortion, that is a lie. >> the story doesn't and food
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clued a photo of the check. cnn has not and dependent lee -- >> i send money to a lot of people. i give money to people all the time. >> his son christian walker, an outspoken conservative on social media, -- calling out his father, leveling a series evacuate say shuns against him. >> don't let me. don't -- act like there's some moral family man. >> when asked for a comment on his son's accusations, walker's campaign pointed to a tweet -- reading, i love my son, no matter what. on the trail, walker has expressed opposition to abortion rights, saying last months he'd support a national ban on abortions after 15 weeks. and may, -- >> would you support a more total ban on abortion? >> no exception in my mind. i believe in life. >> georgia democrats are approaching the allegations with caution.
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we're not shifting the conversation back to the policy debate over abortion. >> i let the pundits decide how they think it will impact the race. but i have been consistent in my view that the patients -- a woman and her doctor and the government. >> conservative activists in the republican establishment sticking by their candidate. -- who pumped millions into the race, dismissing the story and the ensuing fallout as nonsense from the democrats and the media. >> it's based on an anonymous allegation that is 13 years old. and it's part of an ongoing campaign based on the politics of personal -- being waged by democrats and the warnock campaign. >> eva mckend joins us now. is it clear what, if any impact
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this could have on the upcoming race? >> anderson, it's not clear as of yet. what's been interesting to watch today is one by one, perhaps the most powerful leaders in the republican party, coming forward and really rallying behind walker. it's not only rhetoric. they're gonna continue to make investments, a key republican group will spend more than $20 million in the final weeks of the campaign. something else i noted, though, soon after this entire debacle unfolded, walker said that he would be filing a lawsuit against the daily beast. but that is not materialized as of yet. we've heard no more about any lawsuit from walker or the camping. >> i just and his campaign manager spoke to the staff about this. >> yeah. this was interesting. seems like he had a very sort of serious conversation, candid conversation with aids telling them he was hopeful that the walker -- definitely a blow in this race. but the campaign has also seen a surge of fundraising in the
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hours since. also, notably, he talked about the access hollywood and donald trump episode evoking that, saying that surfaced just weeks before the 2016 presidential election. but trump still made it to the white house. that's gonna be interesting to watch as well. those walker have that same sort of trump effect? and with trump, no matter what scandal trump found himself in, he still inspired a great level of devotion from his supporters. are we gonna see conservative votives and georgia walking rally around walker in that same way? >> interesting comparison that the campaign manager would make to a statement donald trump made. eva mckend, thank you. coming up, the rising death toll from hurricane ian almost a week after it made landfall, plus -- investigates whether officials in one particularly hard hit area waited too long to issue a mandatory evacuation order.
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>> the toll from hurricane ian
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has agree storms again. most of those in florida where biden is set to visit to meet rhonda santas tomorrow. it's been almost seven days since hurricane ian made landfall in florida as a high end category four storm. certain rescue operations continue. as people are still being found and identified with their bodies. also around 400,000 people are still without power tonight. in the months and to come, about anything being done differently to prevent this wide scale misery and loss of life. particularly in hard-hit lee county, which includes fort myers. joining us now with the story. we've been able to learn about evacuation decisions that were you where you are? >> anderson, tonight information is still pretty thin. there is a lot of finger pointing here in lee county, certainly still so many questions tonight about the timing of the evacuations order
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issued here. in florida, floridians have what they call hurricane amnesia. they forget how bad these storms can be if there has not been a strong storm in a while. and that is why it's so key for these local officials to get the evacuation orders right. here is how it played out here in lee county. >> two days before hurricane ian slammed into florida's west coast, lee county manager roger darling suggested that the storm would ultimately shift elsewhere. >> couple of days ago fort myers, the county was right in the very center of the certainty, uncertainty and really that's the best place to be. >> he also suggested albeit gently that was students could evacuate if they were concerned. >> if you're feeling a little nervous about this storm and the effects, it is okay to go now. if you want. >> lee county commissioner
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echoed the sentiment. >> monday afternoon, we were telling people that you do not have to wait for evacuation orders to leave. you can leave now. >> but can leave and should leave are two very different things. it was not until tuesday morning, 7 am that the official mandatory evacuation order for the county was issued. less than 24 hours before hurricane ian slammed into florida's coast. the question is why did county officials wait? the county's own emergency management plan says that a 10% chance of a storm surge, measuring six feet or more would indicate the need for evacuations in the most vulnerable areas. on sunday, two days before lee county took action, the national hurricane center predicted a storm surge as high as seven feet. shouldn't that have triggered lee county's evacuation plan? here at le county's emergency operation center, we try to ask county manager about the delay in ordering evacuations. no luck.
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so we called him. hi roger, this is randi kaye from cnn, i was calling to see, we are at the emergencies operation center and wanted to speak with you, give you an opportunity to speak with us regarding the questions about the timeline and the evacuation orders for the county. if you could give me a call at this number i would appreciate it, thank you. a representative called me back later to say he declined our interview request but did call us by phone by another attempt to reach him that he supports all of the decisions that were made. we also tried to connect here with lee county emergency manager coordinator. she did not return our call. >> hi this is stacey, sorry mr. call but sleep is a message of okay. back >> later declined to speak with cnn. >> officials here, despite their decision-making say that ultimately, it is up to the residents. >> certain percentage people will not heed the warnings regardless. >> we cannot force them to leave their. holmes >> resident cnn spoke with sounded mix about the
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timing of evacuation orders. >> i think this came a pawn everyone's. i don't think anybody was prepared for anything. >> even though there were warnings and they were ample warnings, i feel people did not want to leave. this is their home >> either any plans for a review at the state level about how the evacuation orders were handled? >> anderson, the governor here ron desantis and lee county officials have defended their decision thus far, pointing to a shift in the storm track. but the governor has said that the state will review everything about this storm and that should include the timing of the lee county evacuations. also florida's senator rick scott said that they always reviewed the storm procedures when he was governor here. so he expects that they will do the same and he thinks that they will do a full assessment and see if the proper procedures were followed but anderson, also it is worth noting that the shelters here in lee county were not open until 9 am on tuesday morning after that evacuation order was put in place. so even if people chose to
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evacuate early, they did not have a shelter to go to. so it sounds like a review is a good idea before the next storm hits. >> i understand residents of one of the hardest hit areas are now going to be allowed to go back to the island. as soon as tomorrow. >> they are. they can go back as early as 8 am tomorrow. it will be open to residents for the first time. we are expecting this would be a emotional visit for these people. no idea what their homes look, like what might have survived their if they are on the ground or if they are still standing. of course the main cause way to the island is gone. as a result of the storm. so in some cases the coast guard we understand is shuttling some people. hiring captains, spoke to several of them tonight who are taking residents over. we do expect that it will be very emotional for these homeowners to see what happened in their homes and island. randi kaye, thank you very much. just ahead, cnn's john king
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>> earlier we looked at the pivotal role georgia is playing in the battle to control the senate. another key battleground state we want to examine tonight is pennsylvania. it's now the state features must watch races including for santa as well as governor. joining us to break it all down is chief national correspondent john king. how is it looking? >> in a cynical into the race, as you know pennsylvania has a big race for governor, big race for senate. also several house races that will determine the balance of power. look the race one of the things i do is look at the places within. battlegrounds within the battlegrounds and in pennsylvania, among those is north hampton county. voting for barack obama twice. then it flip for donald trump. and it's only one of 25 counties in america that flip back to joe biden. northampton county picks winners. so we visited to get a sense of what would happen five weeks from tonight. >> but drive-in throwback.
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on this crisp fall night, a short way and then a choice. screen one, or screen to. the projects first roll here 76 years ago. back, then industrial giants bethlehem steel and asked louis cement anchors the local economy. democrats dominated local politics. now it is highly competitive. some here still won't accept biden's north hampton county and national win two years ago. >> i'm sure you know, people are pretty heated. >> as he helps out on the snack bar, explaining the unwritten rule that gets mixing popcorn in politics. >> we try to minimize it because we do not want to disengage half of our customer base. the delaware river meet here. trace america's political divide. the city of bethlehem is deep blue. in its suburbs another democratic edge. 42% of residents have a bachelors degree or better. >> my opponent has said that
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she is open to a national ban on abortion. >> susan wild is the local congresswoman, a democrat hoping the new politics of abortion outweigh voter anger over inflation. >> pelosi's economic policies are hurting us, susan wild is with them. >> republican lisa schiller is following a time tested midterm script. tie the incumbent to a struggling president. >> biden democrats are hurting pennsylvania families with their radical agenda. >> wild knows what usually happens in a president's first midterm. she was first elected in the anti-trump wave of 2018. >> i know what history says, this is a different kind of year. >> why? >> i have to tell you, i don't think the old rules apply anymore in politics. >> the race will test that. so early neighboring eighth congressional district. >> matt cartwright is the vulnerable democrat there. >> if you see on election night that matt cartwright held our seats, you are going to see the democrats hold on to their
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majority in the house. these are truly two of the most pivotal races in the entire country. the eastern farmers market is another north hampton conte throwback, predating american independence. now, eastern is the counties other deep blue slice. and it's most diverse area. >> don't forget to vote, november 8th. the county gets more rural, more republican by the mile. trump got 62% of the vote two years ago. >> he did a heck of a job. i liked what he was doing. john is 86 and has cut hair in this tiny shop since he got out of the navy 59 years ago. he is a registered democrat, voted twice for trump and plans to vote republican for senate this year. those still not sure about governor. or congress. >> she's a whirlwind. >> that a good thing about them? >> sometimes she's all right, sometimes she's bad.
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>> most everyone here voted democrat. but a lot of his customers like trump. and think he was cheated. >> we see that driving around too. plus, this homemade antidote. two high inflation. >> anderson, you see those trump 2024 science. in a very important place like north hampton county. we might get there down the road, but the big question is five weeks from tonight, we are counting votes going county from county to america, that is where i'll be spending lots of time early on. the polls closing at 8:00. can democrats keep the house, what's happening in the senate, race what's happening in the governor's race. will there be ticket splitting? i think that's one of the fascinating dynamics this year. northampton county, will be there a lot early on in the night and we will move west. >> talk about georgia earlier in the program, democrats able to hold on to georgia, which is given. where else will republicans be looking to get control of the senate? >> that's where gets fascinating. the sense that you won't hold zero. can republicans hold pennsylvania.
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>> just ten, decent stock in california have released a surveillance video of a person of interest in six homicides. saying they have seen them on multiple videos related to several shootings. please emphasize this is only a person of interest, they are not seen committing any crimes on camera. they are hoping the public can help solve this case. more on the investigation from cnn's josh campbell. >> take a closer look, this is the man police in california say could be linked to what some fear is a serial killer. saying that it's unclear whether it's a possible witness or suspect. five murders in stockton, all shootings taking place between july 8th and september 27th. in similar areas according to police. now, police say they have ballistics and video evidence that links the stockton
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homicides to two early morning shootings in april of last year. >> we do not know what the motive is. this person is on a mission. >> in the earlier shootings, one man died in oakland about a hour to half away from stopping by car. then another victim, a 46-year-old woman was john stockton, she survived and gave police details about herself. describe that person is between five foot ten and six foot. wearing all dark clothing. wearing a dark styled mask concealing his face. >> police say analysis of the weapon used was key in the investigation. >> as far as interconnecting these cases, we have done that through ballistics. we do have ballistics evidence that are linking our cases. and accompanied with some video footage as well. >> tom o'connor is a retired fbi agent who worked in the 2002 d.c. sniper man hunt investigation. saying ballistic analysis can often give investigators their big break. >> if there is a bullet fragment or a bullet
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containment within a victim or recovered in the area of the shooting, that can give information. >> also specifics that can be gained by laboratories in looking at the different markings on the bullet itself. to say that this came from the exact same gun. >> as the manhunt continues, the california town now living with grief and fear. josh campbell, cnn, los angeles. >> joining us now for more, law enforcement and intelligence analyst. commissioner for intelligence and counterterrorism. what do you make of this new video that stock in place released. saying it's a person of interest, got sort of seems to have a distinctive sort of swagger to his walk. >> it's not a great video, because you are seeing the back of him, not the front. but they also realized that the still picture they have did not have that. somebody who knows somebody will say i know that outfit. i know those boots, i know that walk. that's the guy.
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so they are trying to expand their reach. >> they say they have a link to these cases through ballistics. i thought was interesting the police officer said that the this person is on a mission. what does that mean? ? >> when you look at the offender characteristics, there is no indication he knows any of these victims. every indication that he does not. the killings are cold blooded, so they are not for any reason, personal, not robberies. this is an extension of what they call instrumental violence. it is the no guilt, no remorse. people are just objects in his killing spree. because they are after a larger goal. in this case the goal is probably not a specific thing, it is to feed his feeling of power. this god like power that i can stand over these people, take them by surprise and illuminate their lives. the real question is, where did he disappear to? for a year after he started with those first two shootings.
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so that is when police are going to be looking for who went to jail during these periods. who might have been someone else? who left the scene? >> they've done that in other cases where people there's a big laps between murders and it turns out that it aligns with somebody prisoner sent away on the job. >> that's right. you see the pace here, which starts in june in july and right through september 29th. he's got a real taste for this. he's out there. he is probably out there way more than we think. i don't think that with the pattern like this, he goes out to kill on those nights he kills. he's probably stalking in a hunting behavior. that's what the profiler's call. it's only hitting when the circumstances are just right. i mean the person that the wrong place at the wrong time. >> the fact somebody got away, survived it was able to talk to police, that's obviously a huge help.
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>> it's a big deal. now, she tells us important things. he came into her tenth. to shoot her well she was resting and sleeping. she confronted him. and he did shoot her but he was wearing a hood and a mask covering his face. it probably means that if she saw him, she couldn't identify him again. but it gives us some of the behavioral characteristics. and it further implies that he is either attempting to kill homeless people or people that he sees on the streets in the predawn hours that he believes might be homeless people. >> where to please go from here? releasing this surveillance is that a sign of desperation, is it just one tool in their arsenal of trying to get information? >> it's a good idea, i think where police go through from here is our suspect has been very cagey about striking in areas where there is almost no video surveillance. the piece they have does not
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give that much. but it gives them something. i think you will exceed them expanding the video canvas outward from every location to see what is still retained that might still be available. especially from the latest shootings. i think you will hear from that more often saying to the public. something but he knows this person. somebody is with somebody that they think is that guy in that video. or who has been acting strangely. we were who acted strangely after each one of the killings. who has behavior has changed. there is somebody out there who is probably looking at somebody right now and saying, i really think i should pick up the phone. >> john miller, appreciate it, thank you. >> i'm, next remembering country music legend and legendary artist loretta lynn. before.. & bath fitter. if you have a "before" bath, now's the time to call bath fitter to get a beautiful "after." with our unique tub over tub process, there's no mess or stress. spend smart on a beautiful new bath done right,
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waiting up when you came home last night. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> she was the first female country music singer to -- with the, songs don't come home drinking. in 1970, 60 ended up with 24 number one songs. imagine, that including you ain't woman enough, the pill, and of course her signature, song coal miner's daughter, also the title of her memoir of her life in kentucky. which led to -- the movie in 1980. >> she also won numerous awards, including four grammys, in 1972 the first woman to be named entertainer of the year by the country music association and academy of country music. in 1980, eight she was elected to the country music hall of fame. she was awarded presidential medal of freedom in 2013. loretta lynn, survived by four of her six children. she was 90 years old. what an incredible life. grieving the death of a loved, one living without them, it's something we'll all base at some -- point i'm exploring it in a different ways in a podcast called, other.
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is to listen point to the qr code on the tv screen for a link to, it you can also find it at apple podcast, or where we get your podcast. the fourth episode will be tomorrow, i talk with actress, molly shannon about the devastating death of her mother, little sister and cousin in a car crash. her father was driving the car when she was four years. all it change the course of her life. it's a powerful conversation, i hope you, listen i hope it helps. >> one of the news into perspective, because there are some big issues happening. a lot of hypocrisy going around these days. okay? our big story tonight though is the former president going right to the supreme court, asking them to intervene in the mar-a-lago documents fight now the doj has got a deadline to respond to all of this. clarence thomas, justice clarence thomas. just a sperm has until 5 pm a week from tonight. team trump is asking from the special master to get ce