them to move forward. >> right. at the very least here, one thing we certainly know for sure, which is that there are top secret that the president is now categorically refusing to return. >> and there is a risk to what's inside those documents, what they are and who is seeing them. >> that's right. john, thank you very much. evan, thank you. and thanks to all of you for being with us. it's time now for "ac 360." the news today after shimon peres revealed the uvalde school district had hired a former state trooper under investigation for her role during the robb elementary massacre. that officer is now out of the job. crimson elizondo is her name. she was on the scene within two minutes on that terrible day, but like many others did not follow universal protocols for stopping an active shooter. she too with end up standing by for 77 minutes for anyone

confronted and killed the gunman. as for how she viewed herb responsibilities that day, how she saw her duty to protect the children inside, listen to this moment from shimon's report, as captured on video of her outside the school that morning. >> reporter: an officer asked her children attend robb elementary. elizondo's response -- >> my son is in day care. he is not old enough. yeah, no. if my son had been in there, i would not have been outside, i promise you that. >> "my son had been there," she said, "i would not have been outside. i promise you that." we spoke about her employment by the school district by the guardian of a 10-year-old who was in the school and murdered that day. someone who has been holding a vigil outside uvalde school district offices, demanding answers. >> i've been out here for 192 hours, eight days. and my ask is simple.

it's to suspend any officers that were there until an investigation is completed. and i've just gotten nothing but the runaround. so, i mean, i told them i wasn't leaving, and i'm not going to. >> so they haven't given you any answers? >> no, sir. i had a meeting today which they offered to pull the officers off campus, but if you can do that, why can't you suspend them until the investigation is done. so it's a lot of the runaround. >> 24 hours later, the officer is gone. shimon peres joins us now with more. so what is the school district have to say about this? and what's the reason they're giving? >> well, the reason they're giving, anderson, is because of that comment that she made about if her son was inside that school, she would not have been outside. so that's the excuse they're giving for why they're firing her. they're not talking about the

fact that there was this investigation of her, and that is in part why they're firing her. so again, they're playing games here. >> so they specifically cite what she had said? >> they said as we learned from a report last night these comments she made, they say that they found it -- it was distressful, very concerning, and that is why they were firing her. they make no mention of the fact that there was this investigation. and that's so troubling about that is that we learned today from the texas dps, her former employer, that the uvalde school district, the police department actually reached out the them to do a background check on her when she applied for that job at the school, and they told the school that she was under investigation. >> wow. because that was the question we didn't have an answer to last night. did uvalde school district know she was under investigation. let me since they're citing that comment from her, i just want to play that again. >> an officer asked if her children attend robb elementary.

elizondo's response -- >> your kids go there? >> my son's in day care. he's not -- he's not old enough. >> i saw you. >> no. if my son had been in there. >> yeah. >> in there, i would not have been outside, i promise you that. >> so in your reporting last night, there had been reports, and you can say the sources, i'm not clear on it, that she had been concerned about not having the tactical gear, body armor, a long gun in order to confront the gunman, or to be inside the school. she seems to be saying that would not have been a concern of hers. >> right. >> on that day if her child was inside. >> right. it seems that she would have treated the situation differently had her son been inside. the reason why even those officers are asking was her son inside, because there were police officers whose kids were inside that classroom. one of them died, was killed. a deputy sheriff, who was standing outside, waiting to see his kid. his kid never came out. because this is a law

enforcement community, that's why they asked her that question. and certainly it was very troubling to hear her say that. but also, anderson, keep in mind that investigators have had this information. they have known that she said this. this body cam footage has been viewed by many people now across the state. and the fact that they sat on this and didn't share it is also something that is necessarily troubling. >> it's also important to point out, there are many people in dps there that day. how many are actually being under investigation as far as we know? >> seven. seven have been referred for further. >> there were dozens. >> 91. >> only 7 have been referred for investigation. she was one of them. >> she was one of them. it's because of her actions. i went back and looked at more video of her. it's really shocking. she even describes that day to investigators how she couldn't believe what was going on. she didn't believe there was an active shooter at one point because it was so quiet. you didn't hear kids screaming. you didn't hear kids yelling.

you couldn't hear kids crying. she couldn't believe the events that were unfolding before her eyes. she describes, not really understanding what was going on. but what is really shocking is she basically spends her time during the majority of the time kind of hiding behind the wall, behind another officer. and at one point very early on, she tells the officer, well, there is something on the radio. there is some radio transmission. she says what do they want us to do? we're here. certainly those are the kinds of comments that investigators have found very troubling. and that is why the department of public safety, they still need to account for what their officers were doing that day. so much blame has been placed on the local police department. but what we're now starting to uncover, and that video shows us and what her body camera shows us is the dps was there much sooner, and that they could have taken action. >> dps is like the state trooper. >> they have the long rifles. they have better equipment than the uvalde police department, certainly the school police, and they're better trained. the active shooter training, that is one of the key elements of their training.

>> shimon peres, appreciate it. thank you. now some breaking news on the mar-a-lago documents. reporting in "the new york times" tonight, the headline reads "justice department is said to have told trump lawyers it believes he has more documents." still more documents. cnn political analyst maggie haberman shares the by-line, quoting the lead, a the justice department official told donald trump lawyers in recent weeks that he has not returned all the documents he took when he left the white house, according to two people briefed on the matter. the justice department had no comment. "the times" story then noted that dozens of empty folders found in the latest search in august, saying it raises further questions about whether all available documents had indeed been recovered. here that talk about it is laurence tribe, co-author of "to end a presidency: the power of impeachment." i'm wondering what you make of this by "the new york times" and what do you think where the justice department might be headed? >> it certainly suggests the justice department is closing in on indicting donald trump.

not simply for basically stealing top secret documents from the white house and secreting them in various locations, mar-a-lago, but also for violating the espionage act and based on this recent reporting, obstruction of justice. those terms are -- they sound technical, but in this case, what's being obstructed is a national security inquiry as well as a criminal investigation. there are people whose lives are at stake if their identity has been revealed in some of these top secret documents, which clearly were marked "human resource." they were marked to indicate that they would reveal the identity or location of basically american spies abroad. they were marked signals

intelligence. so this is very serious. and when i take these recent revelations to mean is that shortly after the midterm elections, indictments are likely to start flying. >> you believe that the department of justice might actually indict the former president? >> i believe is that it might well indict the former president for obstruction, for espionage. this is all quite apart from the possible indictment for seditious conspiracy and insurrection. i mean, it's as though he is building a moat around mar-a-lago and then trying to swim in it himself. basically, with every stroke he takes, with every move he makes, he is digging himself a deeper, deeper pit. and he's -- you know, his lawyers must be absolutely

beside themselves because he makes matters worse. he says "i want my documents back." he brags about having taken them himself. then he says the general services administration packed the boxes, but they deny it. you almost expect him to say my dog packed the boxes, except we know he doesn't have a dog. >> the former president has filed this emergency application with the supreme court over the documents. do you expect the court to wade into this? >> very unlikely. it's an emergency application that doesn't meet the requirements for an emergency that is he hasn't shown or even made any serious effort to show that he is irreparably harmed by the denial of the one thing he asks the supreme court to give him, and that is the right to have the judge, who is serving as a special master, review the classified documents. but the judge has already said i

don't need to see them. i know they're classified. the president, apart from his statements out of court that he has some kind of telepathic way of unclassifying them, hasn't really given me any basis to say they're anything other than top secret documents that he has no busy taking with him to mar-a-lago. so the supreme court is very unlikely to weigh in, especially since there is an expedited appeal under way in the 11th circuit that will i think probably get this loose cannon, judge cannon off the case. she just injected herself at the request of the trump lawyers who had to go 70 miles away from mar-a-lago to find a judge who might be willing to take this unprecedented step of saying wait a minute, stop investigating. you can't use the documents that you lawfully seized because there is no suggestion that it

was an illegal search and rescue. it was properly authorized by a warrant. you can't use them. so it's basically an attempt by the trump lawyers to keep throwing sand into the gears. but sand isn't working and the gears are turning. and i think they're going to roll right over the former president. >> professor laurence tribe, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. one other development, a top lieutenant so-called proud boy jeremy bertino pleading guilty, the first to do so. cnn has learned that the fulton county district attorney could start bringing charges as soon as december in the scheme to overturn president biden's victory in the state. cnn's sara murray broke the story. she joins us now. what more have you learned about the timeline of this investigation? >> well, anderson, sources are telling us that the fulton county district attorney willis wants to move quickly after the midterms to wrap up her work. she has had the special grand

jury there seated for five months collecting evidence, and she could move as soon as december to begin issuing indictments. now there is going to be this quiet period before the election. so there could be a period where we don't see or hear much out of her investigation. and there are still a few loose ends she has to tie up. she is still trying to get testimony from former white house chief of staff mark meadows, for instance. but it is clear she is sort of looking at wrapping up this investigation and moving ahead quickly with potential indictments. >> it is clear who might actually be facing indictments? >> it's not clear. we know that prosecutors working on this case have warned rudy giuliani, the president's former attorney, as well as the 16 pro-trump fake electors that they could all be potential targets as part of her probe. we also know this is a grand jury that has collected a lot of evidence in the time they have been impanelled. there is possible there could be others. and the big one is waiting to see if she actually decides to move forward with indictment of former president trump. >> sarah murray, appreciate it. thank you. coming up next, the latest

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our dell technologies advisors provide you with the tools and expertise you need to do incredible things. because we believe there's an innovator in all of us. in kba senate race, another day to attempt damage control for herschel walker, the abortion opponent who is reported by the daily beast to have paid for a woman's abortion. she then disclosed to the daily beast that she and walker had a child together. this is not cnn's own reporting. we have not independently verified these claims. walker's son christian took to social media to blast his father, repeatedly calling him a lierp. >> lie after lie after lie, the abortion part drops yesterday. it's literally his handwriting in the card. they say they have receipts, whatever. he gets on twitter, he lies about it. okay, i'm done, done! everything has been a lie.

don't lie on my mom. don't lie on me. don't lie on the lives you've destroyed and act like you're some moral family man. y'all should care about that. conservatives. >> the walker campaign has been trying to contain the fallout. more now. >> you don't quit. you keep going. you keep getting up. >> reporter: a defiant herschel walker on day four of rebutting allegations that have rocked his campaign for senate. >> i'm not scared. and i'm not going to bite down. the stakes are way, way too high. >> reporter: taking the stage thursday at an event in georgia, the candidate made no mention of the latest development from the daily beast, but once again faced questions about the report he paid for his then girlfriend to have an abortion in 2009, and the new reporting that the woman says she is the mother of one of his children, according to the site. >> this here, the abortion thing is false. it's a lie. >> reporter: cnn has not independently verified the allegations reported by the

daily beast. earlier today, walker appeared on a conservative radio program to defend himself. >> that had happened, i would have said it, because it's nothing to be ashamed of there. >> i'm done. don't lie. >> reporter: walker also asked about his son christian's comments earlier this week, calling his father a liar and making a series of accusations against him. >> i'll always love him, no matter what my son says. >> reporter: with a little over a month until the midterms, and locked in a tight race against democratic incumbent raphael warnock, republicans facing questions about walker's path to victory after the latest revelations. >> i think every republican knew that there was baggage out there, but the weight of that baggage is starting to feel a little closer to unbearable at this point. >> reporter: the former nfl star brushing aside those concerns. >> people told me i couldn't play football. so do you want me to listen to someone like that? i'm here to win the seat for the georgia people, because the georgia people need a winner.

>> reporter: walker allies say they want to see him give a more trumpian response to the allegations. many supporters say they simply believe him. >> i'll take herschel for his word. if he say it didn't happen, it didn't happen. >> i believe herschel. >> new details tonight about accusations that continue to follow senate candidate herschel walker. >> reporter: part of a sustained effort by democrats to highlight walker's turbulent past, even as they avoid focusing on the latest allegations. >> van jones served as special adviser to president obama during the obama administration. eva, so walker was also asked this afternoon about his comment this morning that if it had happened, that there is nothing to be ashamed of there. what exactly did he say in response? >> so the issue here, anderson, is sometimes it's difficult to understand what herschel walker is trying to get across. many took his comments on the radio today to mean there is no

shame in accessing or paying for abortions, that he would have no shame in that. but it was so meandering, if you go back and listen to the entire radio interview, it wasn't entirely clear. this afternoon, though, when asked about this, he suggested what he was referring to were past allegations regarding his ex-wife and the accusation his son christian made earlier this week. >> his answer, though, i just got to say, i've just been reading his second answer to try to explain the first one to hugh hewitt. and it's incomprehensible. >> totally. >> literally, the report said you said this didn't happen. there is nothing to be ashamed of. how do you square that? he said wait, i never said -- >> the reporter said you said that this morning on hugh hewitt show. no, what i said, i was talking about something totally different. and what i said with my ex-wife and in my past, nothing to do with what this woman said. i said this here, the abortion thing, it's false, it's a lie. that's what i said. i said anything that happened

with my ex-wife or what christian was talking about, i don't know. but as i said, if anything happened, there is nothing to be ashame of because my ex-wife and i have been ex-friends with her husband and my wife. i've said nothing about it if it did happen because i said that's a lie. >> it's a word soup salad, and it's hard to decipher. this happens pretty often. it's going to be interesting when senator warnock and herschel walker take to the debate stage next week, because i think we are going get a lot more of this. >> van, do you think republicans who want walker to embrace a more trumpian response to all of this -- i'm not even sure what that would mean, a coherent response would probably with the first step, would that work for walker here, do you think? >> you know, who knows what's going to work or what's not going to work. i will say the reason this is so outrageous is because this is somebody who is saying he wants to be a senator. why? part of it is he wants to make sure that no woman can get an abortion, even if she is raped,

even if there is incest, and even if she would die in childbirth. he says that woman should bear a child any way. and yet in his own life, he basically says never mind, if i did pay for the abortion, if i didn't pay for the abortion, there is nothing to be ashamed of. he wants the power the make sure you can't get an abortion, but in his own life he is willing to make sure people he gets pregnant do get abortions. the hypocrisy here at a policy level, to put someone like that in the u.s. senate, who is incomprehensible when they communicate, and whose agenda is and agenda he won't live by himself, but he wants you to live by it. that's the problem here. at the end of the day, it's a tragedy to have this family torn apart this way. it breaks your heart to hear christian talking the way he is talking, the clear pain in his voice, the son. but there are lives on the line here, and this guy is a complete hypocrite. and at some point, that's got to matter to somebody. >> van, we're going to be

hearing from georgia's lieutenant governor in our next hour. i just want to play something he told cnn last night. >> we're being intellectually honest. herschel walker won the primary because he scored a bunch of touchdowns back in the '80s and he was donald trump's friend. and now we've moved forward several months on the calendar, and that's no longer a recipe to win. >> it's so interesting how there has been an evolution among some evangelicals, among republicans saying it used to be decades ago you wanted somebody who was morally, you know, morally strong. >> yes. >> and their politics matched their moral character. now it didn't matter about the moral character anymore. that's passe, as long as they vote the -- punch the tickets that the republicans in this case want. >> look, i think that's what we're looking at now is just maybe it's just the times that

we're in. but it's more important that they get that 50th vote, that 51st vote. as long as they get that, they're willing to look past anything. trump moved that the moral majority ain't that moral, and they're not the majority. that's what he proved. that they will put up with anything as long as they get power. and i think that's part of the tragedy here. herschel walker does not strike you, when you listen to him, as someone who should be in the u.s. senate. and his behavior is not consistent with what his policy agenda is. if that does not disturb conservatives in georgia that they could vote for a pastor or they could vote for a philanderer, and they want to vote for the philanderer, that says something about the state of conservatism in the united states. >> i appreciate you both. president biden taking steps toward decriminalizing marijuana with thousands of pardons. details on that ahead. and we're minutes ahead from the midterm showdown. the like i will only debate in the arizona senate race.

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president biden is taking his first major steps towards decriminalizing marijuana. today he pardoned thousands of americans convicted on simple possession cases dating back to the 1990s. it's not the only significant, if not historic step he took. cnn's kaitlan collins joins us from the white house. what more can you tell us about the decision by the president?

>> it's a campaign promise he had made. obviously as you know, anderson, sometimes the reality changes when you're actually in office. some people had raised the question why president biden nearly two years in had not really talked about marijuana and that campaign promise as much. but today they did announce that he is moving, making the biggest steps towards decriminalization that we've seen really from any u.s. president. it's not the full decriminalization, because that's something you would have to see congress do. but president biden is pardoning thousands of people who have been convicted under federal law of possession of marijuana. and that means that is going to affect about 6500 people, according to estimates from the white house. in addition to potentially thousands more who are prosecuted in the district of columbia. it's a life-changing step for them. president biden basically said his reasoning for that is why he said it on the campaign trail. he doesn't believe people should be in jail for simple possession of marijuana. possession of marijuana and the simple use of that. in addition, not having other crimes as to part of why they're in prison. and he talked about this, anderson, as saying he does

believe it disproportionately affects brown and black people, saying the use of it is similar among all races, but you can see when you look at the incarceration rates how it affects that. that was part of the decision tonight as well. but what he is also doing is encouraging governors to follow his lead here, because of course this is he can only deal with federal offenses. he is also encouraging governors to take similar steps in their states, and he is also asking the department of health and human services and the attorney general to look into how marijuana is scheduled as drugs. it is a schedule one drug currently. that means they believe it has high potential for abuse, that it doesn't have any medical reasoning, any medical use behind it. even fentanyl is not a schedule 1 drug. and the president is saying he doesn't believe that should be the case. this doesn't mean it's actually going the change, anderson, but it does mean the white house believes a review should be conducted into that. >> do we know why this is happening now? >> i think people have raised questions. obviously the midterms are 32 days away, and this is a campaign promise that the president has made. this is something that appeals

to people on both sides of the aisle. we'll see what the reaction is from the broader political world. you heard from a lot of activists who said this is a good step, a step in the right direction. but they also want the see the full decriminalization. but it is still a massive step in and of its own, massive shift for the federal government for the president to pardon thousands of people who have been convicted for just the use of marijuana, making clear they don't believe that should be the case, and making clear that president biden wanted to follow through on that campaign promise he made back in 2020. >> kaitlan collins at the white house, thank you. now to phoenix, where in a few minutes, mark kelly and his republican challenger blake masters are said to face-off in what will likely be the only debate in the phoenix senate race. debate comes less than a week before early and mail-in voting begins in arizona. joining us is kyung lah. obviously critical battleground state here. what is at stake in this debate? >> you're talking about the control of the senate, which party will control the senate. and that's really what this

comes down to, anderson. and what we're talking about are very, very tight margins. a reminder that senator mark kelly won in 2020 by just over 2 percentage points. and we released a cnn poll today. and that poll is showing this race between senator kelly and the challenger, blake masters, is very close. among likely voter, senator kelly is leading by just single digits, 51% to blake masters, among likely voters at 45%. but here is the wild card is that the underlying fundamentals here, what voters are telling our pollsters is that it all favors the republicans. so this is a very narrow race. things can change very, very quickly in less than 30 minutes, anderson, we're going see if any of these conditions are going to change on the debate stage. >> and what are the issues that are most motivating voters in arizona? >> you know, one of the key issue that we keep hearing over and over again, whether you talk to voters a the grocery store or at a rally or in our cnn poll, it is the economy.

it is inflation, the underlying economic conditions, gas prices, watching those prices at the pump either flatten and rise, drop. that is having an impact here on the politics, especially in these midterms. but another issue that's really pertinent and has happened here in arizona is that in just the last few weeks, a judge in pima county ruled that abortion essentially is illegal in all cases except for when a mother's life is at risk. that is reverting back to a 1901 law with the overturning of roe v. wade. abortion is on the ballot and playing a key motivating factor for voters here as well. but also, remember, anderson, arizona is a border state. so immigration is always critical. we are expecting these candidates to talk about the economy, abortion, as well as immigration. anderson? >> kyung lah, appreciate it. as voters wait for that arizona senate debate, cnn's one and only senior data reporter harry

enten joins us now. what are the polls saying about that senate race? >> it's close. but we've had a cnn poll. we've had in fact four polls that have come out over the past week over reliable pollsters, and they all have mark kelly ahead from 3 points to 6 percentage points. that's not a very large lead, but arizona is a state that joe biden won by less than a point. we wouldn't expect anything less. but mark kelly clearly has the advantage. and i would argue the reason he has the advantage, because his favorable rating is higher than his unfairvel. but blake masters. we'll see tonight if masters is able to turn that around. >> what about in some of the other states that control the senate could hang by? >> i have selected six key races. democrats need to win at least four of those -- arizona, mark kelly ahead. you can see that on the screen. ahead by an average of 6 percentage points. new hampshire is an easy one. pennsylvania where john fetterman is ahead. he is up by five points. that's a fairly easy one.

the 50th state is georgia, where raphael warnock is up by about four percentage points in the polls. here is the key. democrats only lead in about 50 states right now, including the states that they currently hold, the safe states, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. right now control of the united states senate is very close in a number of states like nevada, where democrats currently have the seat where the republican candidate laxalt is ahead. >> in georgia, is there any evidence either way about the latest information about herschel walker and allegations about how that is playing? >> look, we're going to see what happens. i don't know. i'm not a fortune-teller. i wish i were. i get the lottery numbers, everything would be great. but here is the key thing to know about georgia. even before all this stuff came out, if you asked voters what is the main reason that you are in fact voting for herschel walker, is it because you like him, or is it because he is merely the republican nominee, or you really don't like raphael warnock, just 20% of herschel walker voters said the main reason they are voting for him is because they actually really

like the guy. i think the question you have to ask yourself, is this latest scandal going to get at some of those 20%? because arguably, the other 80% is going to vote for walker any way because they don't like warnock. he is still going to be a republican no matter what happens to him. >> i understand you have an important update from the world of sports, and you're here to educate me. >> yes, that's correct. you know that you and i love sharing our moments together with the national football league. >> sure. >> i drag you along. i educate you. i educate the audience. that's what i like to do. if you look right now, my buffalo bills, look at the fact that they will in fact win the super bowl. 19%. 19% chance of winning the super bowl. anderson, as long as either you or i have been alive, the buffalo bills have never in fact won a super bowl, because they have never won a super bowl. rooting for bills is like rooting for the dog that has three legs. that's what you really want to do. but my question to you, anderson, do you happen to know what the mascot is for the buffalo bills?

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more breaking news. president biden speaking tonight in new york about the threat of nuclear weapons in very stark terms, invoking in his words the prospect of nuclear armageddon. kaitlan collins joins us once again. what did the president say tonight, kaitlan? >> making clear that he is taking these explicit nuclear threats you have seen coming out of russia very seriously. because we've heard what putin has said. we heard what president biden's top officials have said that believe is realistically the

case. they don't actually see any movement toward using weapons in russia, but they're on high al alarm. president biden is at this democratic fundraiser in new york tonight, and he was speaking to donors, making it clear he is taking it seriously, saying this is reminding him of october 1962, saying, we have not faced the prospect of armageddon since kennedy and the cuban missile crisis. he knows putin fairly well. he is not joking about the potential use of tactical nuclear weapons or biological or chemical weapons because his military as might is significantly underperforming. making clear when putin gives the speeches like he did last week in the very blunt terms, reminding the world that the united states for using nuclear weapons and making clear that nuclear weapons are on his mind as he is looking at what is happening with his military in ukraine. president biden said he is taking that seriously, anderson. i don't think there is any such thing as the ability to use a tactical nuclear weapon and not

end up with armageddon. he went on to speak more at length about foreign policy during this fundraising tonight, anderson, talking about what he believes. they're still trying to figure out what the offramp for putin could be in this war that he has been waging since february, saying that basically he believes the russian leader is trying to assess where can he have this offramp where he saves face on a global level, but also at home in russia. because obviously that has been a really big concern and big focus ever since putin has ordered this partial mobilization of forces with russian men fleeing the country. you've seen russian propagandists on state television saying they believe they need to change their tactics on the battlefield. it is really striking. we get these notes, pool reports from the reporters who are traveling with the president of comments that he makes at events like this from supporters to fundraisings, but saying we have not faced the prospect of armageddon since kennedy and the cuban missile crisis, and making clear that he is taking putin seriously and at his word when he dangles the threat of nuclear weapons is really striking, anderson. >> do we know -- because i know

i think from a pool reporters are saying was he -- was this a -- were these remarks written out? was this something he said off the cuff? do we know? >> we can't say for sure, but i've covered the white house for a long time. typically at these events, the president is speaking off the cuff. he is walking around a room, a small room of donors. tonight they're at the house of james murdoch. he is not typically on a prompter, as you see at an official white house event. and the reporters are not actually in the room. they're in a staircase next to the room. they're typically within a distance of the president, but not always sitting in the room. and so he is clearly speaking very bluntly. and we've seen that before from president biden, talking about prospects that democrats have in the midterm elections. his own reelection potential, running for reelection. but speaking this bluntly about foreign policy, and about how seriously he is taking this threat from putin when it comes to nuclear weapons, something that really is a remarkable landscape in and of itself, is quite striking. and making clear that he is

taking it incredibly seriously. >> do you expect the white house to sort of make any comments about this -- this latest statement? >> it's interesting because jake sullivan, whoa is the president's national security adviser, has been very measured when speaking about these threats. and he did tell me last week when they had a briefing that they take the threats from russia seriously, but they said they haven't seen any indication that russia has changed its nuclear posture. so they say, you know, it does appear to be a lot of bellicose rhetoric coming out of russia. but clearly, these comments from president biden, he is taking it seriously and saying putin is not bluffing when he puts this out there. and making clear something that has become a real concern inside the white house that because russia is doing so terribly on the battlefield, underperforming so much more than they thought they would, that maybe he could resort to doing this. and so what that has driven officials here at the white house to do is kind of game out what their response would look like. they said that they made that clear to russia. they've obviously not disclosed that to reporters who have asked

multiple times. but they said they have made clear to russia what the united states would do in response to russia actually using attack cal nuclear weapon. just the idea that it is being seriously discussed is as, president biden notes tonight, not something you have really seen since the 1960s. >> kaitlan collins, appreciate it. according to ukraine's president saying his country's forces have taken back 500 square kilometers of territory in the kherson region, all in less than a week le also said they've seen success in the eastern direction and the day will come when they talk about the, quote, liberation of crimea. this comes as russian forces abandon many of their positions in the south with them being batter odd tonight front lines and morale slipping. melissa bell has a report from wagner group, a mercenary organization aiding in the war against ukraine. we have to warn some of the images you'll see are disturbing. >> reporter: the chaos of ukraine's front lines through the eyes of a wagner mercenary. >> legs, guts, arms, boys.

it's almost tough. >> reporter: a video shared exclusively with cnn by a member of vladimir putin's so-called private army. one of those who has seen enough. >> i'm sorry, bro, i'm sorry. >> reporter: a far cry from the slick propaganda used by wagner to entice recruits to the depleted russian front lines. long kept in the shadows by moscow, the elite paramilitary group, or the musicians, as they call themselves, now lionized for their role in russia's springtime victories. like the surrender of, initially making all the difference to moscow, according to this former wagner commander. >> translator: without their active assistance, the russian armed forces would not have been able to move forward at all. >> reporter: the kremlin didn't

respond to our request for comment, but a months' long cnn investigation has found what the war has cost moscow's elite fighting force. its men, its confidence, and its allure. this man says wagner fighters are paid $5,000 a month to do the work regular russian solders can't or won't. >> there is not enough motivation or money, russian for the american dollars. >> through their telegram channels and intercepts, ukrainian intelligence keeps a watchful eye. morale within wagner is low, says andre usof, it wasn't designed to participate in a full scale war. >> translator: they're dissatisfied with the overall organization of the fighting, the inability to organize battles. and of course this means losses.

>> reporter: this video shared with cnn by ukraine's defense ministry shows a mercenary desperately asking why there is no body armor for them. >> translator: there are no more flak jackets, no more helmets either. >> reporter: of the estimated 5,000 wagner mercenaries sent to ukraine, 1,500 have been killed according to intelligence sources in kyiv. in russia, that's meant recruitment drives. from front pages to billboards, the w orchestra is waiting for you, says this one, with a number to call and, no experience needed. a recruiter telling cnn through whatsapp that barring thug ri and terrorism, sexual impropriety, are all criminal offenses -- personally offering clemency to prisoners for six

months of military service. the oligarch no longer denying ties to the group that the war in ukraine has both exposed and transformed. >> it really shows these guys are in trouble. they really don't have people. they're ready to send anyone. there's no criteria for professionals anymore. >> reporter: and that could mean more possible war crimes, especially on the retreat. this video shared with cnn by a wagner soldier, appears to show mercenaries lining up the bodies of dead ukrainian soldiers. in a chilling conversation, they debate whether to booby trap them or shoot those who come to retrieve them before realizing that they're out of ammunition. >> melissa bell joins me now from poland. this is extraordinary. since the wagner group and the russian armed forces are operating in the same battlefield, is there political conflict, do we know, between wagner and russia's military defense? >> we do have an idea, anderson,

that when the war began there had been a falling out between pe groegs and vladimir putin, the idea that the two men who work very close. they go way back to vladimir putin's st. petersburg day. you'll remember that when the russian armed forces started to see those setbacks in february, march, retreated from areas like kyiv, the idea that that is when wagner came in. remember, anderson, that is when wagner began to make a massive difference, not because the men were that numerous. simply because you're talking about the most experienced on the battlefield. so, you had those victories, mariupol, kherson, all those victories we saw in the spring that were largely credited to wagner because although they were functioning within the structures of the russian armed forces, their experiences, the fact they were battle hardened helped to make the difference on the ground.

the question is now whether they're continuing to add that value, anderson. >> i mean, how are the recruitment -- wagner's recruitment efforts if in that ad they're saying, no experience necessary. that doesn't seem to be a great ad for the professionalism of wagner thugs. >> it isn't just they lost 1,500 men, we hear, on the ground. but also they've had to recruit not just the battle hardened experienced men they sought from their theaters in action in the beginning of the war. but they've filled their ranks with people who aren't doing that same sort of fighting. that has made a massive difference, their ability to make a difference on the ground. they simply aren't what they were when this war began. as you heard then, they are not the fighting force that was meant to be functioning inside a full-scale war. and ukraine, it turns out, has taken its toll on wagner itself. there are the two recruiting

drives. one is from the russian state. it is obligatory. the money is less than within wagner. wagner is voluntary. they pay more. what they're finding is that it is not that many russians choosing to sign up, hence the recruitment drives in the russian prisons. remember, anderson, this matters on the field not just because what we're talking about is the retreats, the advances, the russian army, but in the end the power that sent it there and the credibility that exists. >> appreciate it. a really fascinating report. an update on the family of four that was kidnapped and killed in california. what authorities are saying about the suspect.

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