this is don lemon tonight. we begin with breaking news, a chilling warning from the president of the united states. president joe biden at a fund-raiser here in new york warning about the dangers of vladimir putin's threats to use nuclear weapons as his forces suffers step backs in ukraine. the president saying for the first time since the cuban missile crisis, we have the threat of a nuclear weapon. and warning of what he calls the prospect of armageddon. straight to cnn's kaitlan collins now with the very latest on this, caitlin, good evening to. these comments from president biden are frightening, walk us through it. what exactly did he say? -- >> yeah, frightening, alarming, a lot of words you could've

used to describe these comments that president biden made tonight. in a closed-door, democratic fund-raiser in new york. where he spoke pretty frankly about what he believes is the actual real threat that putin is posing right now when he talks about this threat of nuclear war, we have seen him kind of dangle out there and the speeches that he has given lately. president biden says he believes that is because of how terribly russia is doing on the battlefield. tonight, he used the word underperforming, talking about how he believes the setbacks which have been humiliating and, of course, the draft that putin is put in place has driven russian matter the country is all factoring into this. and it seems to be causing a real sense of concern for president biden tonight, don, who said he believes the world is the closest it has been to the potential nuclear catastrophe that it has been since the 1960s. since the cuban missile crisis, of course, we are coming up on the anniversary of that quite soon. president biden said tonight, we have not faced the prospect of armageddon since kennedy and the cuban missile crisis.

let's talk about, putin he says we've got a guy we know pretty well. he is not joking when he talks with the potential use of tactical nuclear weapons or biological or chemical weapons, because this military is, as you might, say significantly underperforming. he also made clear tonight don, washington is still trying to figure out what putin's endgame is going to be here for him. what is extra strategy is going to be in ukraine, that is notable as well, because he first raised the prospect of wondering what that is back in may. >> caitlin, biden's own national security council in state department have been a bit more measured on this issue. how alarming is it to see the president speaking like this? >> i have asked officials about this, they said that he is basically just making clear how seriously they are taking putin 's threats. we knew that, because officials said they made clear to their russian counterparts behind the

scenes what the consequences would be if russia actually decided to do this. but you are right, we have not seen officials at the pentagon or the state department or the national security council go as far as president biden tonight. invoking armageddon, saying that he believes that there is no possible use for a tactical nuclear weapon without actually getting to armageddon. there has been this idea of what if russia deployed one over the black sea, what if they used a smaller one and a certain area to send a warning shot, basically. the president is making clear tonight that he believes that if russia goes that far, the consequences would be catastrophic. he is going further,, and basically being more blunt in his language than we have seen other officials. >> i got to ask, you caitlin because we have discussed before, the president was in ukraine and he made some comments. he was in poland, he made some comments in the ukraine, the white house walked them back. he has made other comments, the white house walked back. no one is walking back this.

>> not yet, i've asked several hours ago. the president is actually on his way back to the white house now to ask if there is any kind of clarity that u.s. officials could add, they have not added anything on the record yet. i will note that i did speak to an official who said that that statement for the press secretary kareen jean pierre set on tuesday, saying that they do not believe russia has changed its nuclear posture, that is still standing. so that's what they say, it -- fareed, thank you so much. these comments from biden at this fund-raiser, it does show what is at the top of his mind tonight. how serious do you think that threat is? >> i think it is very serious, and i think you highlighted the most interesting aspect of this here, which is that the officials in the white house, national security council, on the state department had been somewhat more low-key about this. partly, i think they thought it was a bluff that putin might not do it. partly it was maybe he was thinking about threatening to use a smaller tactical nuclear weapon which would destroy only a few thousand people or, you know, part of a city. and i think that probably what

happened is that they realize that this was almost normalizing it, so the presidents and back, said look, we have to reestablish the norm that has been in place since 1945. that no one uses nuclear weapons, that that threshold has to be seen as one that it is not to be crossed by any country. and i think he wanted to sort of, you know, lay down that marker. and by using words like armageddon, he is reminding, i think that's all that, look, it might start with a tactical nuclear weapon. but then, what is the other side doing? this is the fear everyone has always had. which is that this can escalate to armageddon. >> let's put the direct quote, up because the president says, i don't think there is any such thing as the ability to easily use a tactical nuclear weapon and not and up with armageddon. other biden officials have been more cautious about this, including the secretary of defense, lloyd austin, who you recently spoke to. is this a disconnect? >> it is not a disconnect, but i think they're looking at it much more from the point of view of, look, at a tactical

practical level, what would happen if you could use a, you know, tactical nuclear weapon on the battlefield in ukraine? would it be used against the united states, the ukrainians wouldn't stop fighting. we wouldn't stop supporting them. so how do you think about that. i think what biden is doing is pulling back and saying, look, the norm of no use of nuclear weapons is incredibly important. it is a fundamental norm that borders the global system right now. and he is putting incense, he is upping the ante. but he is doing implicitly, to say to putin, look, if you use a tactical nuclear weapon, we may have to respond. we may not be limited to, in other words, this can get, this would always be the danger of nuclear weapons. that what keeps the peace with nuclear weapons is what people call mutually assured destruction. you don't use them on me to destroy my society, because i have enough that i can use them on you and destroy you.

so it would be a kind of mutual suicide. and he wants to remind people that this is that dangerous, and that is why, don't take the first step. >> so this is a way, then, of giving, i would imagine, and offer, and off ramps, and since this war, started in the beginning of the war, actually happened on cnn with matthew chance. we saw the beginning of the war, we reported on the beginning of the war. what is the off ramp, is there an off ramp, do you see one for putin at this point? >> look, i think there are many

off-ramps. i don't think we should be overly worried about that, in this sense. putin can, you know, ukrainians have not driven every russian soldier out of ukraine. they are still fighting very fiercely.

the russians may well hold on to a certain part of donetsk, they might even be able to hold on to parts of crimea. putin can claim he is secured and supported the russians speaking to people he wanted their. he can claim he's got a decent, but remember, he controls the media landscape 100 times -- 100% russia. he will be able to parlay some kind of negotiated defeat into a victory or a stalemate or something like that. i think right now we should just focus on helping the ukrainians win these battles, because the pressure he is feeling, it means that he is also going to have to start to live with the reality that he is not going to get his cake. he is not going to get ukraine. and we want him to get

comfortable with that. you know? there are plenty of off-ramps, plenty of negotiations. he has even said. which is one of the reasons one wonders whether he is just bluffing. he has said that he is open to negotiations. of course, on his own terms, that maybe. >> right. >> but he is, you know. i think the most important thing to do here is worry less about putin giving putin an off ramp, and just making sure that he can still feel the pressure. >> well, no doubt he has heard about this already. i'm sure he heard about it. how do you think this is going to impact his calculations? >> well, it is very difficult to tell. i think that that was meant to be a kind of warning shot. i am not sure the u.s. really knows whether he would use something like this. my own sense is he is going to wait for this 300,000 troops to move into ukraine. remember, they have just been mobilized. they are going to start putting

them into battalions. i think he still thinks that the russian army can, at least, hold its positions. if not rollback. remember, it is ten times larger than the ukrainian army. that's why what the ukrainians have done is a miracle. >> you would know that from what's happening. >> right, right. so i think he is on the first try to use those 300,000 troops. now if that doesn't work, we then do, i think, his back is not quite at the wall right now. he is flush with money, because unfortunately, you know, price of oil is high. and the oil embargo hasn't really worked. but in the end of the day, he needs to win on the battlefield

-- -- thinking about his own power. he is thinking about how, do i stay in power? >> to have another flea humiliating crushing military defeat where your entire army is decimated, the ukrainians reunite their entire country within a few weeks. that is pretty bad for him. so i think that is a smart way to think about deterring him. >> thank, you i appreciate you coming in here. >> it may be the last time, unless you have me tomorrow. so i do want to say, you have done an amazing job and a terrific show as if you or i have just loved it. i cannot wait to see you in the other side of the day. >> you are gonna wake up? >> i do, i will be watching. >> thank you, it's been a pleasure, i appreciate you watching, but more than anything, i appreciate you coming on. thank you so much. doj officials -- after months of an effort from the national archives and the fbi search of mar-a-lago, what

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cnn the plea oj demanding in recent weeks that the former president return any classified documents he still has, making clear that they don't believe he has returned everything that he took when he left the white house. did you catch that? in recent weeks. so after 18 months of efforts by the federal government, after the fbi's search of mar-a-lago, the doj believes that he is still turning over everything he was supposed to. the question in all of this is what is he trying to hide? i want to bring in now cnn senior legal analyst laura coats. laura, appreciate you joining us. thank you so much. after all of this back and forth between the federal government and trump's team to get everything back. even after the fbi search at mar-a-lago. the doj still doesn't think that they have got everything. i mean, this keeps growing? >> i mean, isn't it starting to think about. and the big question, of course, is why does the former president think he is entitled to retain the classified

documents. why is he fighting so hard to enjoy that he actually has to obtain it. there is no question as to why the doj does not trust him. they have been able to recover documents. they seem to have, had all that we don't have full daylight into all the transparency here. they seem to have a trove of documents marked classified, marked top secret and other things. the fact that at this 0. 18 months in there is still an ongoing dialogue about trying to get documents, even when the courts have been involved, the supreme court has been alerted. a special master has been assigned. to think that he would feel so entitled in some respect to either, a, of, them or be not to be able to have the level of trust and credibility with the doj? when he is a former head executive branch of government to say trust me is really quite something. >> what the justice department demand that trump return any outstanding classified documents if they didn't know that he had them? >> you know, on the one hand, yes. to make sure that to dot the

eyes and cross the t's, if you do not believe that somebody is actually been truthful with you. then the demand can be there preserve your ability to -- in a courtroom later on. -- you never asked, to me he never said anything to me. this preserves that argument. on the other hand, there is probably some inkling based on experience with the former president and his counsel not to believe everything. there is this idea of, you know, you can trust what you believe with your own eyes and trust what you see, or trust but verify. that is the phrase i think comes to mind with the doj when it comes to somebody who has retained documents that has fought this hard. and still believes in some respect that classified documents and potentially privileged documents should be in the same realm to be reviewed by a special master. >> listen, remember, according to the search inventory at mar-a-lago, 48 empty folders with classified banner. is that the major clue that they hadn't gotten everything. or do they have ever evidence -- or perhaps, testimony, laura?

>> we'll, if you know, it could be. there is a lot made about these folders. his camp is likely to say, no, no, they're empty, because we just had random manila folders who among us doesn't have cabinets of random manila folders. a virtual chunk of sorts. i don't really buy that because i think to myself, a document like that there is essentially a chain of custody. there is somebody to bring those documents, they are contained in the folders. the person is supposed to return them, the person who brought them to you. and so on and so forth to ensure that documents are not becoming the virtual trump sure. and the prevail manila folder an someone's cabinet. on the other hand, this could be an indication that they believe there are things that are unaccounted for. in the empty folders themselves suggesting that there are documents that are yet to be traced. i still go back to this notion, though. it is not just what the former president retains. none of us have really seen him

carrying any files. not that you see them with a briefcase already file box, or he is somehow moving them himself. so the chain of custody, every fingerprint that ought to have been on these documents or these files's game to be questioned as to why they were not able to be going back. why they were able to be retained. i think that is on the horizon of the next inquiry here. >> you, know floor, with justice department tied up in these legal battles with trump 's attorneys. could we see, and this is what i've been wondering for a while. could we see another search. and where were they look? with a search, maybe a different trump property or remember you saw those boxes off the airplane and all that. what do you think? >> you know, he does have more than one property. and therefore, if there is a chance that there are other areas where documents could be, normally search warrants will say things like, you know, and i'm paraphrasing the language here in layman's terms.

look, this might be where we are gonna find something. we are likely to find something in this area. you don't have to have the preciseness to say, in this particular filing cabinet marked this particular role. but the general area disposed to be in. if that includes more broad properties, remember, there has already been, we have recovered, i've understood from my reporting. a bit of a feud between the different lawyers for trump. some wanting to be quite forthcoming and saying things like, listen, i cannot say that we have actually given a. i don't know that to be the case. they are saying to have more competitive tone on this issue, by two have documents go to the special master. for that very notion, there's sort of a feud. maybe there is something more on the horizon to suggest that there are other places where documents could be found. i don't want to get ahead of my season speculate to that extent. but it is probable we are talking about past as a pro

logged on. if there is already a fundamental mistrust based on the behavior of the person i am asking for information from. then it is fair green for me to question where else it could be. again, i am an 80s baby. i'm going to say that you are an 80s baby for the sake of this conversation right now. and just say to you, the idea here that we are dealing with paper still and actual just paper documents, belies the fact that we are in an electronic world. the fact that there might be areas or things and other spaces, not documented in a tangible way. i think that that is common sense to think that might also be a part of the search is. >> yeah, i'm a 90s baby, laura. >> there you go. i didn't want to make you younger than me, don. >> thank you, laura, i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you. more damning reports and more adamant denials, were herschel walker be able to outlast the scandals? we will discuss, next >> through they were the first to be verified by usp... ...an independent organization

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herschel walker, georgia's gop nominee for the senate continuing deny a report that he paid for a woman's abortion in 2009. denials coming after more reporting from the daily beast last night that the anonymous woman was the mother of one of walkers for children. walker fielding questions about on campaign trail today. >> have you reached out to any of the mothers of your children? >> now. >> why not? >> why would i need to? >> because according to the article, one of the woman says you paid for her to have an abortion, she is also the mother of one of your children. it seems like such an easy way -- >> [inaudible] that's why i didn't reject anyone, because i

said no, and that is what i mean when i say no, i say that is not correct, that is a lie. this year, the abortion thing is false. it is all a lie. and that's what i, said anything they have, what christian was talking about, i don't know. >> right, cnn has not been able to independently verify the allegations, running a, now cnn political commentator -- cnn analyst and asha alford. also with us, sarah palmieri, senior political correspondent at putt. good evening. there, i will talk with you because it goes on, when he is asked about what -- i mean on the democrats. the democrats want him to see, but these are people in your family. this is not a political, this is your son. he doesn't really answer, that he just as i love my son, but he doesn't answer that, his son is a very conservative. it is not a democrat. and his members of his family

and not exactly democrats who are saying that he is lying about this. so cnn reached out to him and he put out a statement saying that he is not backing down. but there are calls for a more trumpian response to this, is he capable of pulling that off? -- ,. ,,. . . . . ? .

. ,, two the he but a we found the fact that a son, who is a liberal, who does not believe. >> sounds to the right of him? >> his son is making sure that is canceled. this is a kind of the facts of the political reason, he just feels it's more reason. i think that is really hard for republicans wrap their heads around. you need the family behind you. >> i think one of the challenges here point is, can he do this a trump was able to do this? he has taken a page out the trump playbook on this response this, which is to deny, the flight, and media cues are. the question is. will that work for him? i happen to think trumpism only works for trump. even though herschel walker is a star, i'm a georgia bulldog,

i think it's a great football player. not everyone could pull that off. from a crisis communication standpoint, having worked on many campaigns, the best way to respond to something like this is of a short, concise, an accurate response. say that, say it once, twice, and then pivot. go back to the issues that the voters of georgia are concerned with. so this does not continue to pop up. but the more he does interviews and it seems to peel back another layer, and another lawyer, another liar. and we're still talking about this as opposed to him getting back on message. which, i think, could help him. >> the javyn area, because we played the night of that episode. probably only like two minutes added to questions and kept saying no no no no no. and we'll be asking specifics, hollywood says we are gonna win this seat. right to the point of the crowd. of supporters were there. or, i love my son. which is not an answer to any of this. it was a word salad. did you understand anything that he convinced of anything? >> it felt very familiar. i agree that it is a very similar approach, it is a

similar strategy to deflect, to deny. even to dismiss this even matters. look at a little bit differently. that is because we serve african american readers and voters. a lot of african american voters saw him somebody anyways. they saw him as somebody who was selected just because he was black. and because he could go against warnock. they didn't really believe that he was a quality candidate. they decide they believe in his character, or his ability to explain himself in these very difficult situations. so, i think our low expectations to begin with. but i do think some voters are just saying, you know, this is just a hijab. we're one paid for abortion, if he's gonna go in there, and a poll this policy that stops all of these abortions. i will compromise my values that i say believe in because this man will get the job done. it is about power, and bargaining. sal >> slots to be honest here. when you talk about quality

candidates. from early on. even lieutenant governor was on last night and that people knew from the beginning. basically echoing some of what you're saying tonight. lied about law enforcement. he lied about the college that he graduated from. he lied about a whole lot of things before. things that are provably false and yet he still they stuck behind him. for months. this is been over a year that they've been doing it. >> this is the, residual effect of donald trump. we already suffered under donald trump in the runoff election with brazil and lesser. and losses races because of donald trump. >> my question is and why. >> the question is donald trump has play over the republican base in georgia. the base of the republican party in georgia. problem is that does not translate to a general election. we learned, or should've learned that in the last time we had this special election. unfortunately, we are doing

this again. there are good quality candidates running in this primary that, i, think would've been a much better gop primary candidate. there had been a more moderate candidate. there would've been a great selection. >> i just wonder if he neither trump's endorsed meant. because he sullen famous and popular in georgia. >> certainly out of it his profile. and give him a little bit more gravitas with the base. the problem is, he has not been able to appeal to the independent voters. here's the thing. many republican voters are going to say, you know, this is a lot of baggage, and off a lot of baggage. but he is much more than the alternatives when it comes to policy. >> just being honest here. the man speaks, i had no idea. i spoke with a lot of people, we try to understand, treasury between the lines. i don't know the stop about. saying what the heck is he talking about? it makes no sense.

most of the time. >> it is confusing, again, at salt into the intelligence of african american voters who are like. wow, you are the pick the sky, just after saying anything. just because he's black, when accountable for him. >> he is saying nonsense. >> thing anything, and nothing, at the same time. it is a risky bet. everyone on this panel, because he's betting on the fact that this woman's anonymous right now. so longstreet stays anonymous you can sort of cast doubt on her story. but you may also be enticed challenging her to come forward. >> she said that found a database and not to get run over again and again. i'm paraphrasing here. guess what. christian walker said, pretty much the same thing. you keep doing this time mom and me, over, and over and, over again. i'm tired of it. i will play this. this from q he were to ask him about the allegations this was earlier in the day.

watch this. >> [inaudible] >> okay, again, my point. what is he saying here. he said later walker said that he was talking about something different. what do you think you think. whose implied was not conditioned but having an abortion? which one should voters believe? he said love anything. that's my point about the way you handle something like this. say this -- can he pull that off? >> time will tell. it was pretty hard today. >> it is going to sue the daily beast so they get to do that. also, all that will do is open a whole lot of questions the discovery. as we know, sometimes a cover-up is more than the crime. which is why, a lot of republicans are saying just come forward. these are people saying

privately. you should just comport and uses is part of a suggestion story. i'm a different person now. that i was then. instead of just flat out denying it. because they made of only five in the face with another round of stories of fans of coming for it but is even more evidence. where they end up having a lawsuit and falls apart? >> alice, quick answer if you will, because you have contacts within the republican circle. another point a lot -- doesn't mean that he can't win. they want him to win. is it winnable for him at this point? >> the numbers are tight. rafael warnock is ahead right now. but clearly the republicans are able to raise half 1 million dollars since the started. let's a gram, rick scott. instagram and rick scott. >> do you know the internal polling? what is it saying? what is the internal polling and the internal scuttlebutt about? >> internal polling is what

we're seeing. warnock has about four point advantage at this point. that is within the margin of error. and i look at that from the margin of error standpoint. and their main goal is to make sure that what is happening, with the goal, here is not to shame and cast that dispersions on christians and how them stay in and vote because of all of this about abortion. that's a big fear. >> that's all him. i don't know what he said. you think a lot. but is it? talking that to say nothing? i forget what it is. happy birthday. >> talking about, and say nothing. al-baghdadi oath keepers childish could percy charges. we are learning that the oath keepers founder was allegedly in touch with the secret service in the final weeks of the 2020 campaign. we'll be right back. we can replace your windshield ...and recalibrate your safety system. >> customer: and they recycled my old glass.

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oath keepers trial. members facing charges including seditious conspiracy. one former member testifying oath keepers leader, stewart rhodes, was in touch with the secret service agent in the lead up to the 2020 presidential election. what are bernie now cnn senior national correspondent, sara sidon, who's covering the trial and darryll johnson a former senior domestic terrorism analyst at the department of homeland security. good evening to both of you. and phil, i'll beginj with you, because these comments are startling from the president. >> they were startling and jarring. that's what caught people off-guard when he made the remarks at this fund-raiser. it's not on camera. he tends to be more camera. but the administration has been very calm and collected when they discuss this. they don't appreciate the saber rattling. they warned against it.

but they clearly have not seen signs that we are moving closer to a nuclear element. that hasn't changed. i've talked to officials tonight, they say there has been no sign that putin is moving towards nuclear weapons, no new signal over the last 24 hours that he has decided to use nuclear weapons, and the u.s. has not changed its posture when it comes to nuclear weapons. that's an important note here. when the president was getting at that is something that u.s. officials have tried to grapple with since putin's speech last friday, where he, once again, in detailed terms, the potential for nuclear war. i want to read one thing the president said, because i think he gets. this said i don't think there's any such thing is the ability to easily use tactical nuclear weapons and not end up with an armageddon. the president has work through this analytically.

-- -- because these extremist groups can use that contact. exploited. and give them information that would actually kind of an insider threat. so we really don't know the extent of this relationship. but it does give me pause for concern. >> sarah the judge also warned that the jury can't see a death list of georgia election officials in this trial. what is this about. >> there was a handwritten note that was found during the search of the search of calls home in virginia. when he was arrested in january 2021. he was one of the first associates of the oath keepers to be arrested. and so, what you saw there is his handwritten note that was titled, that list. it had the names of ruby freeman, and her daughter went

dry seamus. both of whom we saw testify in front of the january six committee, they are georgia election officials said that they had been dealing with such terrible harassment. they were afraid for themselves. and so the fallout from some of this is really really. harsh for really people trying to do their job. but they were pulled into this voter fraud conspiracy theory and they were just working as election officials. now, the jury is not gonna see this list because the judge ruled that it was too prejudicial and not really relevant to the case at hand. >> darrell, we're also watching what is happening with the proud boys. today, jeremy petito, a top lieutenant to leader enrique tarrio pleaded guilty to this issue is conspiracy. please cooperate with the justice department investigation. is a significant? >> both these cases are very

significant. these are actually the toughest charges that have been brought to bear so far on these insurrectionists from january 6th, as well some of the events that happened earlier than that. we have the of peoples and discord in the country about 2020. so both these cases are about -- how the justice department is bringing these charges against something very serious. you can get up to 20 years in prison for sedition here in the united states. >> there, sarah, thank you, both i appreciate. it a big update to the story brought to you last night about a former texas state trooper under investigation for her role during the uvalde massacre. she is now out of a new job. we'll explain, next. answer a few questions and our techno wizardry calculates your car's value and gives you a real offer in seconds we'll come to you pay you on the spot then pick up your car

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any move in this direction would simply would not and leading to armageddon. it is a warning. a blunt one. a vivid one but a very clear warning about the stakes in the dangerous. >> i want to bring in because as phil said, i don't think there is any such thing as the ability to easily is in a weapon and not end up with armageddon. are we right to qualify this as startling? is this terrifying to hear? is it a real possibility as well? >> it certainly is. a lot of people have been concerned about this from the very beginning of