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allergy spray. now without a prescription. astepro and go. when president biden and vladimir putin and over a fundraiser last night, he suggested putin might do that because his military is significantly underperforming. the washington post reported the battlefield losses have triggered dissension inside the kremlin. a member of vladimir putin's inner circle has voiced disagreement directly to the russian president over his handling the war in ukraine according to information obtained by us intelligence. the post greg miller joins us now is a long cit's operation steve hall. can you tell us what you learned about this russian official confronted putin, or the russian person? >> as you know, we did not
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identify this person in our story today. putin has a small inner circle. many members of that inner circle are complicit with the failures of this war. the list of possibilities is small. it is likely somebody who has been close with him for many years, perhaps from his time in the kgb, where his time in the city government in the 1990s. somebody with enough stature and enough security in that relationship to bring bad news to a leader who does not like to get bad news. >> steve, putin has been in power for 22 years. what did you make of the story about dissension in his circle? >> this is something we have been talking about for a number of weeks, but where do we get the tipping point with people
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close to putin? these are people with considerable power on their own. these are people with the head of security services or intelligence services or other high ranking people where people have power on their own. the tipping point i'm referring to is when the things get so bad for russia that people who were close to putin who have the power can go to him and say this is going badly, and perhaps among themselves say, will we go down with ukraine, or do we need to make other plans? >> doesn't all power flow from putin? >> not exactly. it is a byzantine world inside the kremlin. putin has the power, but there are so many backroom deals and relationships that develop with these people. they thought everything was going okay and he had all of the power until people like this try to conduct a cool while he was on vacation.
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this is not the first time this has happened or people close to the litter and the kremlin have started thinking things are not going badly, what do we do? >> do you get any sources with others have talked to and western intelligence officials that this could be something larger against putin? >> i don't think this conversation we wrote about today is indicative of an emerging tool or organization within the russian leadership against them, but i think steve is right. there is a sense among many officials and russian individuals we talked to that this is a precarious point for putin, perhaps the most per carrier point in his 22 year presidency or leadership with russia. things have gone terribly in ukraine, but there is a great
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deal of turbulence in russia now because of the decisions he made. those who are closest to him to have a great deal invested in the system keeping it intact and keeping him in power, or something that resembles him in power afterward. >> can you explain more of that? >> sure. i think many people who are in powerful positions with russia right now, and the last thing they want is to unleash chaos of the kind that russia experienced after the collapse of the soviet union where their power, their wealth, their influence gets washed away, and something else comes along to replace them. they have a reason to want to protect that. >> steve, what would you interpret as a real sign that vladimir putin's power could be in jeopardy one day? what are
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the signs to look for? >> greg is right. these people have so much invested. it all fell of a sudden starts not working out, then people start getting nervous. what are the signs? we are looking for things going badly for russia, and that is a lot. starting with the work in ukraine, but you have these russian men risking a 300 mile ocean escape route to alaska. you have the continuing sanctions, which despite the price of oil, over the long run, will continue to have an impact. you are starting to see what is happening with the russian press. some of what we see is preparation for bad news happening. generally speaking, i think people close around putin would stand reason they are getting nervous as the system goes
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around the edges. >> you have written about failures of the russian security services ahead of the invasion. they provided putin with false information how they can take over in ukraine and sees kyiv, have those security services lost influence in putin's regime? >> it is hard to answer that question because it is opaque and there is limited access out of russia right now. it is logical to think they have lost influence, but it is interesting while we have seen at least eight senior russian military over the war, the leadership of the ssb and the intelligence work, so far, seem to remain intact. it is puzzling why that is, but putin has not engaged with cashiering or getting rid of any
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of his intelligence leadership so far. >> greg miller, steve hall, thank you for being on. putin's ill-fated decisions, his military call up was intended to oblige 300,000 russians. it has mobilized hundreds of thousands to flee the country including asia. we have seen that of the human wave. >> russians abandoning their homeland. russian president vladimir putin's order to constrict men to fight in his were in ukraine has created a incidents of russian draft dodgers. they can register with the local authorities. more than 200,000 russians fled to this country in less than two weeks. >> we run away from russia. >> they fled moscow last week to escape the draft. >> we do not want this war, and we are not recognizing our
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government. >> many of russia's land borders choked for weeks with long lines as citizens run for the exits. draft dodgers traveling by land wait days in line, or pay big money for scarce plane tickets to escape. that's just the first step. >> every day, more russians arrived with their backpacks, and they tell you the same thing, they were afraid they could be sent to fight in ukraine, and they abandoned their country on short notice. >> reporter: this married couple left together. >> did you come because of the mobilization for the war in ukraine? >> this was to start our journey i guess. >> were you afraid that you would have to fight in the war?
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>> yes. i don't want to participate in that. >> the flood of new arrivals surprising new business owners like the operator of a co- working space in the center of el monte. >> is this unusual? >> every day is like this. they have huge suitcases. they are coming here for working and looking for some accommodation. >> these are fresh arrivals from russia arriving with a backpack on their back. >> reporter: in the city hundreds of miles from the border, i spoke with dozens of russians ranging from doctors. >> we refuse to go to this war. we should go to the jail. >> reporter: to engineers, i.t. specialists, and university students. >> you ran away from that. >> yes, from military service. >> reporter: most do not want to be identified to protect loved ones in russia. >> how can i take part in the
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war without a wish to win this war? >> reporter: this man's says putin's draft left him no other choice but to flee the country leaving his wife and child behind. >> we do not believe in what they say. >> reporter: he said a russian government crackdown on dissent has been protesting futile, leaving hundreds of thousands of men suddenly adrift trying to find work and accommodation in foreign countries. >> i am the citizen of the country who started the war. i did not support this war, and never did. somehow, i'm still connected with this because of my passport. at the same time, i'm a refugee and aggressor. >> reporter: russians on the run sharing a collective sense of hopelessness and guilt over the destruction caused by their government.
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>> how are these large numbers of russians, according to military service, in kazakhstan, what do they do there? >> the president of kazakhstan said these people are being forced to leave because of a hopeless situation. he said his country has a responsibility to take these russians in, these exiles, which is striking when you consider cause extent is in a security treaty with russia. they are accepting large numbers of draft dodgers. i have spoken with ordinary kazakhstan onions who have been part of a effort to welcome the is russians taking them as strangers into their homes, and this is striking that when you consider, traditionally, this is of central asia and poor republics like a ragu stan and to extend, they sent laborers to russia where they face
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racist treatment. large numbers of russians are coming to central asia. the people i talked to hearsay they want to treat these russians better than their kinfolk have been treated when they have gone to russia. >> i'm so glad you are there. coming up next, white out of texas they are making their way to florida where migrants are not welcome, but where there hard work is appreciated now. we have the herschel walker and a former supporter, his son, who has broken with him in a public way. the number one pharmacist recommended vitamin and susupplement brand. new astepro allergy. now available without a prescription. astepro is the first and only 24-hour steroid free spray. while other allergy sprays take hours astepro starts working in 30 minutes. so you can...
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the act. some migrants are going to florida from other parts of the country and being welcomed by floridians. >> there will be far more work than workers here for two or maybe three or maybe four years. all you have to do is walk down the streets and look. sac is sony leads to enforce, a national nonprofit advocating for workers who descend on communities helping cleanup and recovery jobs. >> they are earning money and sending that home to their families. the cost of doing this work is enormous, cost to their health and safety. >> he says a significant chunk of the workforce are migrants. only, not all, are undocumented. that's the irony here. >> we are not essentially restate. >> in hurricane ian, migrants are flocking to florida after asylum-seekers went from texas to martha's vineyard.
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>> unfortunately, there are a lot of folks that come across. where do they want to end up? everybody wants to come to florida. we have worked on innovative ways to protect the state of florida from the impact of bidens border policies. >> reporter: governor desantis needs these workers. he is now presiding over a recovery. he is aspiring to higher office and will be evaluated on how he leads this recovery, and the one thing he cannot do without his workers. as hurricane ian made its way to florida, this group of venezuelan men made their way from immigration proceedings were playing out. among them is grisman. we first met the father his summer and his family were among the thousands of migrants who found their way on buses after making a long and treacherous two month time country track.
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when he heard there were opportunities to earn money in the cleanup effort, he spent little he has to make his way back down south. he sends dispatches back to new york where his family waits for his return, just like i'm starting from zero, many of the people here are doing the same. i came here happy to help. it is impossible to know exactly how many migrants like him might be working off the books as part of a relief effort in my florida. ron desantis changed the subject and asked by cnn about laborers like chris. >> there asylum-seekers in new york that are being recruited to come to florida and work on the hurricane recovery. i'm wondering what your responses to those reports, and whether you would turn them away. >> our program we did is a voluntary relocation program. >> florida is not the first state to see this migrant
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workforce after natural disasters. johnny says he has offered his services throughout the country since hurricane katrina. the nicaraguan father who lives in louisiana says he does not do it for the money, but to help bring relief to people. johnny says despite the politics and play on the ground, he is proud to be one of the migrants helping florida rebuild. >> look at that house and this one. this street alone is three months of work, just to get this one city block. there is enough work for immigrants and locals. >> more migrants are expected to make their way to florida to help. >> yes, that is without a doubt. some people say many asylum- seekers are being recruited on the streets, and online with prophecies of weeks long post hurricane cleanup work. those are offers that are difficult to pass a. many of
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the roughly 17,000 asylum- seekers arrived here in the spring alone, but they are waiting for their work authorizations from the federal government because of a massive backlog. that is why they are taking up these jobs getting paid about $14 an hour to pull damaged sheet rock from damaged building. that comes with risks. that is why they have asylum groups in new york city. they are making sure that if migrants will go to florida, that they know some of the rights, even if they are working off the books. >> i appreciate that. coming up, wisconsin senate rate. oh herschel walker wants a supporter is a critic of his father. she's headed next. that's the plalanning effect, from fidelity. it's beautiful. ♪ you ready babe? “everywhere” by fleetwood mac ♪
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this just in in arizona's abortion ban, a state appeals court put enforcement of it on hold granting a emergency stay requested by planned parenthood. the ruling allows health providers to provide abortions on individuals up to 15 weeks, pregnant until planned parenthood arizona's appeal is decided. to wisconsin, where a debate wrapped up in the senate race between ron johnson and democratic challenger mandela barnes, it is one of several midterm races next month and decide which party would control the senate. we have mark inside of wisconsin tonight. what were the big takeaways from that?
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>> we hit on a number of topics in this first confirm debate between ron johnson and senate hopeful lieutenant governor mandela barnes. one of the most contentious in wisconsin is addressing public safety concerns. barnes, despite criticisms in the past, not wanting to defend the police, but he wanted to make sure communities had enough resources on the front end to keep crime from happening. here is how senator johnson answered. >> the first thing in support law enforcement. the lieutenant governor has not done that. he wants to defend the police. he does not necessarily say that word, but he has a long history of being supported by people leading the effort to define. he uses codewords like talk about reallocate, over bloated police budgets. he says it pains him to see funded police budgets. >> the senator mentioned police officers.
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with that being said, i'm sure he did not have the same interaction with 140 officers that were injured during the january 6th insurrection, what officer was that? another was crushed between a revolving door and another hit in the head with a fire texting with your. let's talk about the 140 officers he left behind because of an insurrection he reported. >> i immediately and repeatedly and forcefully condemned it strongly. i have also condemned the 570 riots that occurred during the summer. so many people ignore those. >> just this week, johnson said what happened on january 6th was not a armed insurrections. he said the protesters from the summer of 2020 top those on january 6th two used flagpoles as weapons that means they would need to be classified as weapons.
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he was asked very clearly in this debate if he thought mike pence did the right thing certifying the election to which he answered yes because joe biden is president. >> i should point out you are in milwaukee. thank you so much. to the georgia senate race, the new york times reporting about a herschel walker allegedly urged a former girlfriend of his to get, not likely to have impact on his son, kristen, that is because kristin denounced his dad after reports of the first one. this catapulted him into the national spotlight. we have more now. >> my name is herschel walker. i am winning the united states tendency. >> he might win or lose. for now, herschel walker has lost the support to one of his children, 23-year-old kristin walker. he seemed to have his son
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support. in mar-a-lago this past december, he had a kiss from his father after making speech words like these. >> turning america into a third world hell hole. >> the on a walker is saying this alongside his father 19 days before the capital insurrection. >> i don't think the question is whether there was fraud, it is clear there was fraud. >> his work on social media are often loud and instant cases. >> liberals, let's shut up about trump and talk about how crappy does do it! >> he went to smu in texas before graduating in ucla on social media, which hundreds of thousands of followers on profiles. on the starbucks drive through, his aversion to masks is made clear. >> do not talk in a normal voice with your mask on behind the glass, i cannot hear! speak up! >> on his podcast, against liberal, he attacks and insults. >> girls do not follow the
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gays, and i know i'm attracted to men, so it is funny you are listening to me, but do not listen to your gay friends because they are most likely sleeping with a guy on the first date and crying to you how their heart is broken. >> on tiktok, this was foreshadowing of the present. >> it would be great if he stayed home and raise your kids, instead of banging a bunch of women who were not your baby mama. stay home and raise your freaking kids. your kids need a father. get back home. >> he brings us to this week tweeting about his father. every family member of herschel walker asked him not to run for office because we all knew some of his past, every single one. he decided to give us the middle finger and air out his dirty laundry in public while simultaneously lying about it. and then he elaborated. >> the atrocities against my mom were downplayed.
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i stayed silent with my dad with all of random kids across the country, none that he raised. my favorite thing to talk about his father absence because it affected me. if the abortion drops, that is hands handwriting. he gets on twitter and lies about it. >> reporter: herschel walker said he is not line. we reached out to kristin walker to talk about this. we have not heard from him yet. much of his social media consists about wrist designed to get attention. >> i'm tired of all of these models who look like they have never seen a treadmill in their life. i miss when our models were pretty and fit. >> what he is saying could affect an election, perhaps who controls the u.s. senate. >> okay, i am done. everything has been a lie. >> gary tuchman, cnn, atlanta. two unrest in iran fueled by the death of two teenage protesters. we have morere on ahead.
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seems of bravery out of iran this week as thousands across the country joined uprisings following the death of two teenage girls involved in protests over the death of a young woman of the morality police. iranian authorities denied reports that one of the 16-year- old girls was killed by security forces.'s authorities were intimidating victims families while security forces
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violently cracked down on protests. cnn's to run a archie has the latest . >> reporter: with a cheerful salon or hello, sarina esmailzadeh welcomed people into what she called "my whole universe" diaries of a 16-year- old. she could be any teenage girl in the world. goofing around, dancing, singing, just having fun. this is not anywhere in the world. this is an islamic republic of iran where life expressions are anything but free. three months after the video, she joined the thousands of iranian women and girls rising up for their liberties demanding their rights. sarina esmailzadeh was forever silenced on september 23rd.
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amnesty international says based on information it has, security forces beat her, striking her on the head with batons, severely beating her to death. iranian traditional authorities denied she was killed. they say sarina died by suicide, jumping from the roof of her grandmother's home . they are claiming days after they said another 16-year-old protester, nika shakarami, found dead also died after falling from a building. arrests have been made in the investigation for death. family members of both girls appeared on iranian state media repeating the government's claims. the u.n. human rights office told cnn they received reports authorities forced nika shakarami family to give the interview. amnesty international said victims are being intimidated and harassed into silence. this comes three weeks after the death of mahsa amini
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while in the custody of the so- called morality police. on friday, the government's forensic report blamed the death of a 22-year-old on an underlying medical condition after the operation of a tumor as a child. mahsa amini denied claims. they said she was healthy, it was police brutality that killed her. they said doctors said she suffered trauma to the head. anger over mahsa amini's death sparked a women's uprising like no other in a run. too many lives already lost in this battle for freedom for change. many young lives ended too soon. >> given the test stick and government crackdowns, are there many protesters out on
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the street in iran, or do we know how long this can go on for? >> anderson, the determination of these protesters is remarkable. we have never seen anything like this before in iran, certainly not on the scale almost daily. we see protesters taking to the streets of different cities. you can see acts of defiance across the country and you have the working-class and middle- class and young schoolgirls who have joined in these protests, and the government response is unleashing brutal force according to human rights organizations that say they have been shooting directly and deliberately at the protesters, but it has not stopped. the demonstrators, anderson, we are still seeing these young protesters taking to the streets. we see the young generation of iranians that is more emboldened and defiant than ever, and they are fed up. they are rising up right now to
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claim the rights and freedoms that they have never known under this repressive regime. for the past three weeks, we have been watching these protests closely, and what started off his demands for justice and accountability for the death of mahsa amini quickly moved into these rising calls for regime changes. >> any sense of where this goes next? >> that is the concern right now. this is a regime that has not hesitated in the past to unleash brutal force. that is to crackdown on protests. we saw what happened in 2019, that was different, those were protests that were sparked with the rise in fuel prices, but hundreds of people were killed during that crackdown under the cover of this internet shutdown that we see right now. this is a regime willing to go all the way to unleash this force to stay in power. right now, the concern is you have this determined
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generation, and i have spoken to protesters who say we are not the previous generation. we will not try to reform this regime because it cannot be reformed. they want the complete regime change, and the concern is the longer these protests go on, the more consistent they are, the higher the chances if the regime really unleashes its full force that we have not seen yet, but one thing is for certain, from watching all that has been going on, getting these remarkable videos on a daily basis coming out of the country, no matter where this goes, one thing is for certain, the barrier of fear in iran has been broken. >> we appreciate that. coming up, we take a trip with stanley tucci as he goes to the land of f his grandparents. he has a series called "s"searching italy."
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have been up day and night preparing some of our favorite dishes. stock fish, chintnova style. it is similar to the baclava and tomato juice i grew up with. >> see. >> >> thank you for joining me. and i'm excited. the first episode, you are going to kalabria, which is the birthplace of your grandparents. what was at that like? >> it was very exciting. my parents were able to come with me. my dad is 92
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they never thought they would be able to go back. it was wonderful. it was great. moving, and i hadn't been there for 50 years. i was there when i was 12. . >> did you know your grandparents. did you learn anything new while you were there? >> i didn't learn anything new. i got to learn more of them. really, it was just quite beautiful. both are from calabria. i never been there before. >> and it was exciting to wander
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around the town, as my dad tried to find the house that my grandfather grew up in. we don't know if we found. it was really, moving. the whole thing was moving, to be with my mom's family. >> of course. >> again and you know, to sort of make that search with my dad, it was great. >> and for those who don't know calabrea, got the easy explanation, not only -- calabryia is the toe. what is it known for? what stands out in the region? >> unfortunately, it's known for its poverty, its corruption and its so many italians, in the
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early 1900's and certainly after world war i because many of them were constricted and because they were the poor and they were forced to fight. in world war i my grandfather, being one of them. and it is still a very poor region. it is still under the thumb of the mafia. >> wow. >> a form of the mafia. however, the people are fighting against it in new ways. and it has so many riches to offer, meaning that the land has so many riches and the people have to say, is some of the most welcoming people in the world. >> where else are you going to go this season? >> well, we went to poolia. >> and heard amazing things about it.
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>> poolia, is really, really interesting. . >> it almost feels like parts of africa. >> hmn. >> it's very dry. it's very spars but it's incredibly beautiful. >> the food -- >> and that i've seen images, sort of in houses, sort of there's a particularly -- >> they are called truly. and they are made out of stone. and we talk about it in the show. they are very interesting. there's a beautiful town called abo bellow, that's really gorgeous, that's all these truly. they are whitewashed on the bottom. and they have these beautiful gray stones. these finials on top.
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it's really beautiful. we went to puglia and lagoria, that is sort of small spit of land next to france and borders france and tuscany, that's gorgeous. . >> stanley, nice to talk to you. congratulations on your season. >> stanley touchy, 9:00 eastere, we'll be right back. expedia members can save up to 30% by adding a hotel to a flight. so you can try every - passion fruit? knowing you got a sweet deal. ♪
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ism this is the final time i will say this. the news continues with don lemon. don? >> how are you feeling about that. i'm of mixed emotions. i want to communicate with you but yet i think you'll be great in the morning. >> you could do both, really. >> i could do both, if i wake up at 8:00 p.m. >> you act like. >> and i want to say, thank you, anderson. when i was work for other networks and you are just a great journalist. you have been a great friend. .
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