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ism this is the final time i will say this. the news continues with don lemon. don? >> how are you feeling about that. i'm of mixed emotions. i want to communicate with you but yet i think you'll be great in the morning. >> you could do both, really. >> i could do both, if i wake up at 8:00 p.m. >> you act like. >> and i want to say, thank you, anderson. when i was work for other networks and you are just a great journalist. you have been a great friend. .
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>> are you crazy for doing this. and i look forward to it. and yeah, and -- >> and i'm not leaving. >> and -- you'll be with the kids. . >> and thank you, anderson. >> and this is don lemon tonight. and what anderson said. this is the last time. and this is the final show. we have some surprises ahead. tonight, we brought together, some of our regulars. our friends and family, as we sit down here every single night, to talk about the news of the bar. it's always no holes bar. if you are going to watch it, don't be offended.
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my first guest has become a good friend to me. i'm so happy to have him on as my last first guest, he is michael pinon, who defended the united states capitol on january 26th. it's titled, hold the line, the insurrection and one cop's battle for america's soul. . >> i've got to get your reaction to the prosecutors, presenting evidence, that the oath keepers leader called for a bloody civil war to keep trump in office after his 2020 loss. are those people going to be held accountable. >> and they are in the process of being held accountable now.
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i think it's statements like that, you know, justify the d.o.j. bringing charges against stuart roe roads and members of the keepers and evidence like that, is just, you know, proof positive of what their intentions were, which is to start a civil war. >> and it's been 21 months, since you were brutally assaulted, defending the capitol. we spoke days after that happened. everything has changed since then. what stands out to you the most? >> probably the biggest thing is the career change going from 20 years, as a d.c. police officer to, i guess, other than that, i
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just, i'm just completely focused on accountablity, for january 6th and unfortunately, i think a lot of the problems that i've been fighting against, will not be solved in my lifetime. so i'm looking for some changes that my children will be able to enjoy. >> and you are committed to that. i speak to you often. you get a lot, and i'm appreciative of it. i think most people in america, are appreciative for it. let's talk about in the book. you revealed, you recorded your meeting with kevin mccarthy. you left feeling disillusioned and depressed as ever. >> and i think it's more he didn't say. he didn't say a whole lot of anything. there was not a lot of substance
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to the conversation outside of the fact that, you know, i asked for some specific things. and one of them being that, you know, he would denounce members of the party, that were talking about or down playing or denying the reality of january 6th, the reality of donald trump's involvement in january 6th. and he wouldn't agree to do so. even more so, he said that he couldn't control these fringe members of his party, that i think was pretty shocking, coming from somebody who, you know, calls himself leader mccarthy, being the leader of the house g.o.p. also the indifference. having sat in the room, sitting next to the mother of a dead police officer, that being brian
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siknik. and a person who chose his political future and what he thought would be best for his party, rather than showing a level of compassion or empathy for the people that were sitting in front of him to him, we were an inconvenience. >> it's illegal for you to record dc. you also recorded, police president and other local police officers. why did you want to get the conversations on tape. >> well. we had one party consent and i was the party that consented. that being said. the things i was asking for in the conversations, i was given a different response, privately than they may say publicly.
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i wanted to make sure the record reflected the conversations that they had, and that they can be held accountable, if they decided to say something different in public: people will come and say one thing about trump and when the lights go on, they become a differently person. and i watched it happen over and over in the past 7 years. you also write about a meeting with lindsey graham. knowing we were vastly out. you guys should have shot them in the head. we gave you guys guns and you should have used them. i don't understand why that didn't happen: as law
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enforcement officers, we had strict guidelines, that dictate, how we can use force, when we can use force. and in the situations. and it would be open fire in a group of americans. some of whom were creating crimes. some risen to the level of using deadly force, to protect life and protect the officers. many would not:. >> were you surprised. you write in the book, you said, he gram snapped, brian siknik, hours after defending the capital. >> the fact that you would yell at a woman who suffered so much
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l loss. all she was saying, donald trump was responsible. i never witnessed somebody so vehemently defend donald trump in public or in front of me. i thought that behavior from a senator was disturbing. again, it goes back to the indifference that these people showed, you know, myself and other officers that day: not to mention, mitch ml1cl0connel. and while myself, and m mr. siknik, going to office to office, meeting with the senators, could barely spare five minutes to meet with us,
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mitch mcconnell couldn't meet with us. he offered to send a junior staffer to meet with the mother. and he made phone calls to the senators, asking for favors, that they vote against the january 6th committee. bipartisan commission. . >> and let me tell you, the book is fascinating. you talk about how differently -- and you talk about policing in america. you talk about politics. you talk about our relationship. i'm very proud of you and i hope this is kind of like a number one best seller. everybody should go and. it's by the insurrection and one cop's battle, and it's by
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michael. >> and appreciate it. . >> appreciate it. >> just one scandal after another for hershal walker. and they wanted her to have a second abortion two years later. we will discuss that, next. get decision tech from fidelity. [ cellphone vibrateses ] you'll get proactive alerts for market events before they happen... and insights on every buy and sell decision. with zero-commission online u.s. stock and etf trades. for smarter trading decisions, get decision tech from fidelity. the unknown is not empty. it's a storm that crashes, and consumes, replacing thought with worry. t one thing can calm uncertainty.
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>> new developments in the herschel walker scandal. and new york times reporting the ex-girlfriend, who says walker paid her for -- paid for her abortion in 2009, now also says, he allegedly urged her to have a second abortion. she refused and the relationship with the g.o.p. nominee ended. her son is now 10-year-old. let's discuss, cnn political commentator. hello, one and all. the hits keep on coming. you have to be honest. the latest new york times reporting herschel walker urging this woman to terminate a second pregnancy. he didn't. he wanted this woman to have two
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abortions, not just one. are republicans going to look past this? >> from what i'm hearing, many are. they further support and also their money behind him. some are going to georgia and encouraging them to run and stay in the race and win. and as they talk about it before, the value and the importance of the state of geo georgia, to have the political standpoint, with regards to inflation and the economy and crime and the border, they are supporting what policies, he would bring to the future.
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. >> how could they continue to assert, that he is anti-abortion. >> it's difficult, if not impossible to do so. i clearly, 100 percent, understand the appearance of hypocrisy here. what's good for this, not good for me, in tems of if he did pay for an abortion and then saying, i support abortion bans. . >> and again, you know, i'm not attacking you. you got moxy. and you're talking about the political landscape.
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this is okay. and so, now, there's a lot of swing voters. this doesn't pass the smell test. >> that's where you are going to see herschel walker, the trouble. clearly the base is going to support him. i think there's true evangelicals, who will see this. i can't support this man. and i can't vote for somebody, who so easily forced his girlfriend to have an abortion and wanted her to have another one. and now he's saying, he wants to ban abortions for all women. not just the hypocrisy. i don't know if there will be many, but there's some who will stay home. the swing voters, suburban, moderate women.
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i'm better than you. when i had my girlfriend to have one, it's okay. and men, independence, who are going to see the choice. it's a choice. it's a choice, between the candidate, who has been a lifelong final servant, reverend, and the candidate, who demonstrated the height of hypocrisy, who is an alleged abuser of women. how he doesn't represent the family values. >> i got to get this.
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you have led campaigns. . >> there's trouble between the campaign. i read to why this guy was fired. . >> this is a month, to fire the campaign. >> and it's not a good sign. look, when you're taking on water, like this, whether you believe, candidate or not, it's hard. it's hard enough as it is it's all impossible to do your job. and there could be, based on what we're hearing and reading, some concerns, people may not
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believe what they are saying. for someone that's, easy to fire a consultant. >> this is actually, really good point. you know, we've all worked on campaigns. you want to believe, if you don't, that's going to be. >> and come clean. >> he owes it to the people of georgia. . >> you're the pride of batton
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rouge. it's a joy to be on the evening show with you. and we look forward to being in the morning show. we're blessed you're a friend and colleague. >> and people think, look, a lot of people sit in the seats with a lots of different beliefs and political leanings and what have you. . >> and it's over. this is the thing. no one ever wins a cable news argument. guess what? it continues the next day. >> it's a discussion. i want to say, you have brought so many important discussions not just to the table, but to tables and kitchen tables around the country. they have been game changers and how people respond politics. we want to thank you from the
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bottom of my hearts. they still remember to the day. . >> and it was the. >> and women's march. and women's march in washington. we were on the -- we were like on the top -- >> and did we have family members. it was the first time they got to talk to them. . >> people think, oh, you hate alison. . >> i love all of you. >> and don't always agree, but we love you. >> someone who has been in the show, to talk about the things over the years, tonight, we will
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tactical weapon. . >> they were careful to restate, that, they had not changed their posture, and the footing has not changed. they don't see anything in the recent days, that would change their view of the situation to the worst. there's a lot of domestic pressure. it's a natural thing to worry and since he's already suggestive, he used the weapons. that's a natural concern, i'm sure.
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. i think what happened last night, my reaction to it was a former presidential adviser and campaign adviser, i wish, that there were never a closed door fund-raisers. there's something about closed door fund-raisers. it's like you inject truth serum. they think, they are having an intimate discussion with friends. there were reporters in the room, even though it's close. i think he got a little bit, from the perspective of his advisers. but the concern is very real. and it may not be what we saw, i mean, i'm old enough to remember, as a little kid, the cuban missile crisis and the real fear that american cities will be annihilated but it's
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still a serious situation. >> i want to get this in and a new piece and author, timothy, writes about a secret, former president obama worked in the 90s. speaking with a candor he would seen be able to afford, the entire political spectrum and denounced a pro, and in a radicalized cultural war, leaving americans trapped in a system, that gave them no real control over their lives. isn't this exactly where we ended up? >> yes i read that piece. first of all, i was wondering, why i never saw that. why our opposition research people didn't find that and hand that .
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2008 campaign, we very much, emphasized economics. and the only democratic candidate, since 1964, to carry the state of indiana. he won north carolina twice and he did it, by stressing economics and common interest of working people across the country. he was warning, that it's become, you know, more of a party, and very comfortable, urban and suburban college educated voters and lost connection with working people across the country. and that is dangerous for the democratic party in the long
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run. >> david, thank you. see you in the morning. >> don, best of luck. >> thank you. >> great to be with you, as always. >> got to get my sleep. >> i got this for you. get one of these, don. i want you to have one of these, you will need it. >> thank you, david. >> be well. >> real pleasure. >> and warning putin is preparing russian people for a possible nuclear war is an off-ramp in sight. that's a question for defense secretary william cohen. he's next. ♪ sing ♪ ♪ home decor ♪ ♪ clothes ♪ ♪ electronics ♪ and mirrors. [ding] i can shop at over 3,500 stores, including travel sites. ♪ cha-ching! ♪
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gedon. the pentagon reaffirming, it's made no indication, putin has said he would use nuclear weapon at this time. and president biden said this in a fund-raiser. what's your reaction. >> many times, president biden is accused of telling agasp. and this is no gasp. as joe biden would say, it's no joke. i think he is right in raising the issue. i think a lot of people are concerned about the not loose talk but persistent talk in the part of the russian, well, if you don't make concessions, if you don't surrender, you could always use our nuclear weapons: they have guns, oil, and guns. nothing beyond it. and this is important for president biden, to raise their
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issue. too much talk, to raise nuclear weapons. whether it's 1 kilotons to 2 kilo tons. president biden was correct, putting this in perspective. it's very easy to start down the path, in a very hard to get off it, for example. and what they will do in response to that. they are climbing the ladder, climbing up the escalator. we have to stop this and we have to alert the world. not only the russian people. the world, that this is a danger that they will be impacted with, on a global basis. >> as you said, nothing changed
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in terms of the intel to suggest that russia planning to use an eminent weapon. what is the strategic issue and why are the stakes so high now. >> because president putin made it high because it's not only ukraine that's at stake. all the former states, and if he could get away, if you resist them, you could see a change in europe and certainly, position in world affairs as well as ours. you are conceding the future to dictatorships such as biden and president putin. there's some people in capitol hill, some republicans, some in the media, who is suggesting we are in the side of the russian
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f, we should be in the side of free am do, democracy. >> and i'm glad you say that and we have election deniers and conspiracy theoryist on the ballot. what does it mean for our future? >> frankly, i worry about it. i worry, some t-shirt, i'd rather be russian than a democrat. what's happened it's become so poisonous. it's not about philosophy. it's not about idealology. it's about identity. it's about hate. it's about division. it's about exploiting those divisions, whether it's race, religion, culture. whatever it is, they are looking to explore it based on division and hatred. that's very dangerous going forward. we have a lot at stake, election coming up in 2024, whether we're going to come in the side of the
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democracy, rule of law. that's, they have lost our way, they no longer, in the rule of law, no matter how hypocritical. we just want to win. that's not a good story to tell for our children or grandchildren. >> yeah. . >> they are calling the maga, biggest pore vadders, they want to call other people out, they are the biggest pervaders. i got to go. thank you so much. >> janet and i met you 20 years ago at cnn in atlanta. we've enjoyed the relationship. congratulations. you look very relaxed for someone who just lost their job. congratulations. >> i have not lost my job. it's a tequila before the show. i'm kidding. thank you. >> i will be later. good to see you. >> it's the last don lemon after
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>> it's an end of the era as we sign off the last don lemon tonight. a lot happened between 10:00 and midnight or later. just a few moments. >> this is the don lemon show. and how does a plane simply disappear. >> and if you could think of it, you could do it. . >> undisputed truth. >> and yes, killing the game. >> i'm just being me, be honest. >> this is not a war zone.
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. >> and under mandatory curfew. >> and extraordinary day for america. manhunt. this is on a day, changed the lives, ruling same-sex couples, could be legally married in everyone of the 50 states, and this is the day, president obama, came to charleston and turned into a moving, on race. >> and i'm the least racist person that you have ever met. >> we're live in las vegas. here's our breaking news. investigators, piecing together, clues to the worst massacre in modern american history. . >> today, 17 lives are over. and every single one of us, is just playing the odds at this point. are you really willing to keep playing the odds. >> the racist, white supremacist cowards, this weekend, evidently
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feel they have no reason to hide. they boldly showed their faces. . >> this race thing, it's taken over, you know. and because, one, because we feel the president, is trying to divide us. >> they had my back. >> sir, if you are going to get justice for george floyd -- >> to the floyd family, being silent, you're not intervening to me, your complicit. >> the nation's capital is unde curfew tonight. lawmakers reconvened to count electoral college votes on one of the darkest days in american history. domestic terrorists, that's wha you are. domestic terrorists. who are goaded on by the president to attack on our very own capitol.
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>> don: woo, i cannot leave thi happened. okay, where were we? ha, ha, ha, ha. and its where were we, right? that was before the country wen to hell in a hand basket. well, you know, this is it. the final don lemon tonight. it's been a bittersweet moment for me, but is not going to be sad moment. i'm not going to be said about it, i'm just going to miss working with all the great people really work their bucs off every single day to put thi show on the air. so tonight, this isn't about me this is about you guys. in the control room and the studio, this is about you. ten hours of live television a week with, honestly, not alive resources. everyone is in bed people is quite a feat. like giant apparatus whenever, everyone is sleeping, even though we are a 24 hour news
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organization so we are unknown lot here. i want to thank all the people, all of you guys for making me look good. i'm talking about the people in the control room, the people wh put on the show, having met bac for missing dennis, pt me to ballgames, birthdays, spelling b's and doctors appointments. all of it while getting home back to your families after midnight, one of the kids, and the husband's, and the wives an the pets are all sleeping, all because you believed in me and you are committed to putting us on the air that bears my name. i am immensely grateful to all of you. he will always be my family. we were always in this together. when the critics a technical here my back, when the conservatives attack me, you have a backup when the liberals a technical human back, when racist attached, you had my bac people and speaking of, when th former president sent armies of bigots and people who threaten my life after me, you had my back as well. our lives change together in
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both good and unfortunate ways. we celebrated the birth of new don lemon tonight family mem members, and sailing we saw the deaths of close friends and you loved ones. i will never forget only for carrying me that i could barely stand. after walked into work just a few years ago and i foun out my city had died suddenly, and that much i could never hav earned a car or a flight. i couldn't have even found my way to the elevator to the entrance of this building, if you hadn't literally held my hand and walked me out of the building. so thank you, jeff. and maria, and looked, and ly lyssa, and rachel, and jenny, and zach and milt and susan, an everyone on this team. every single person on this t team. i didn't mention your name, is for the sake of time. i don't want to go over, it is not because are not appreciated
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for every, all of you gentlemen in the studio who kept me sane, who made me laugh, and ladies that made me laugh, and got me in trouble many times because i was reacting to what you are doing. i am eternally grateful to all of you. i want to thank you want the lawyer blue -- loyal viewers that may mask during curricular cards and letters of condolence duration, christmas cards, so many, many, gifts and presents over the years, so thank you, thank you, thank you. even sending me food. you know, i'm not going to miss the brain fog from these hours of getting off at midnight, nor the late night meals which gave me that and i gained so much weight together peeping am i right? so, to viewers at home, i was not perfect because no one is perfect. there are immense pressures tha come with this job and in particular this timeslot at 10:00 o'clock when people are going to bed.
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so sometimes all i could do, i am going to be honest with you, is just smile and just get to the commercial break sometimes. sometimes it was exhausting, because some of the things we discussed here are so personal if you are considering. so i hope i made you proud and thank you for tuning in all these years. and hope that you are going to join me in the morning. so i will super say, good night and i will see you soon. all right, i'm going to leave. and i'm going to go upstairs. is bupstairs.bye.
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