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when president biden invoked vladimir putin going nuclear over ukraine at a fundraiser, he suggested putin might do it because his military is you might say "significantly underperforming." today the russian battlefield losses have triggered dissension inside the kremlin. according to information obtained by u.s. intelligence, the post greg miller shares the by line shares us with former chief of russia operations, steve hall. greg, can you tell us what you've learned about this russian official who confronted putin or the russian person. >> as you know, we weren't able to identify this person in our story today. putin has a very, very small inner circle and many members of that inner circle now are complicit in the failures of

this war. so the list of possibilities is pretty small. it's very likely somebody who was close with him for many years perhaps from his time in the kgb or his time in city government, st. petersburg in the 1990s. somebody with enough stature and enough security in that relationship to bring bad news to a leader who does not like to get bad news. >> yes, steve, putin has been in power now 22 years. i'm wondering what you made about that story of dissension in his circle. >> yeah. it's really something we've talked about a number of weeks. when do we get to that tipping point where these people who are close to putin -- and let's be clear, these are people with considerable power on their own. these are people who either are the head of security services or intelligence services or other high ranking people like that who have power on their own. the tipping point i'm referring to is when did things get so

bad for russia that people close to putin who have the power can actually go to him and say look, this is going very badly and also perhaps among themselves say look, are we going to go down with ukraine and putin or do we need to make other plans? >> but, steve, doesn't all power flow from putin? >> not exactly. i mean it's a very byzantine world inside the kremlin. certainly putin has the lion's share of power, but there are so many back room deals and relationships that develop between these people. remember mikhail gorbachev thought everything was okay and he had all the power until people like this group tried to conduct a coup. this is not the first time it's happened or people close to the leader in the kremlin have started thinking wow, things are going badly. what do we do? >> greg, do you get any sense from the sources and western

intelligence officials this could be part of something larger against putin? >> no. i don't think that this conversation that we wrote about today is indicative of an emerging coup or organization within the upper echelons of russian leadership, but at the same time i think steve's right. there is a sense among many officials we talked to and many russian individuals that we talked to that this is a very precarious point for putin, perhaps the most precarious point in his 22-year presidency or leadership of russia for a lot of reasons. obviously things have gone terribly in ukraine, but there's a great deal of turbulence in russia now because of the decisions that he made. i would just note those closest to him do have a great deal invested in this system and keeping it intact and keeping

him in power or something that resembles him in power afterwards. >> can you explain more of that. explain that, can you? >> sure. well, i think that there are many people who are in powerful positions in russia right now and the last thing they want is to unleash chaos of the kind russia experienced after the collapse of the soviet union where their power, their wealth, their influence gets washed away and something else comes along to replace them. they have a reason to want to protect that. >> steve, what would you interpret as a real sign vladimir putin's power could be in jeopardy one day? what are the signs to look for? >> you know, we're beginning to -- greg is right. these people have so much invested in putinism. so when the head starts to not work out particularly well,

then everybody gets very nervous. what are the particular signs back to your question? we're looking for things going badly for russia and that's a whole lot, not to mention starting with the war in ukraine obviously, but you got all these russian men voting with their feet risking a 300- mile ocean borne escape route to alaska. you've got the continuing bite of sanctions which despite what the kremlin says and the price of oil over the long run will continue to have an impact. you're starting to see what's happening in russian press. you can argue some of the dissent we see in press is preparation for bad news and getting rid of generals which is indeed happening, but generally speaking, i think the people close around putin, it would stand to reason they're getting nervous as the system starts to fray around the edges. >> greg, you've written before about some of the failures of the russian security services ahead of the invasion. they provided putin with false information how easy it would

be to take over ukraine, how they could sees kyiv, decapitate the leadership. have those security services lost influence in putin's regime? >> it's really hard to answer that question because it's so opaque and there is such limited access to accurate information out of russia now. i think it's logical to think they have lost influence, but i think it's interesting while we've seen at least eight senior russian military officials cashiered over the war, the leadership of the fsb and the intelligence organs of the state so far seem to remain intact. it's kind of puzzling why that is, but putin hasn't engaged in sort of cashiering or getting rid of any of his intelligence leadership so far. >> greg miller, steve hall, appreciate you being on, much more now on one of putin's ill- fate the decisions, his military call-up that was intended to mobilize 300,000

russians. it's already mobilized hundreds of thousands to flee the country including to kazakhstan and central asia. we're seeing as ivan watson encountered part of the outgoing human wave. >> reporter: russians abandoning their homeland. russian president vladimir putin's order to conscript men to fight in his war in ukraine has created an exodus of russian draft dodgers. they line up daily here in neighboring kazakhstan to register with the local authorities. the kazakh government says more than 200,000 russians fled to this country in less than two weeks. >> yes. we run away from russia. >> reporter: vadim and alex fled moscow last week to escape the draft. >> we don't want this war and we're not recognizing the position of our government. >> reporter: many of russia's land borders choked for weeks with long lines as citizens run for the exits.

draft dodgers traveling by land wait days in line or pay big money for scarce plane tickets to escape. that's just the first step. every day more russians arrive at this train station in almonte with their backpacks and they tell you the same thing. they were afraid they could be sent to fight in ukraine and they abandoned their country on very short notice. this married couple left together. did you come because of the mobilization for the war in ukraine? >> it was a final kick to start our journey, i guess, yeah. >> reporter: were you afraid that you would have to go fight in the war? >> yeah. it's not something i want to participate in. >> reporter: the flood of new arrivals surprising local business owners like the operator of a coworking space in the center of almonte. this gentleman just walked in

is this unusual? >> very unusual. every day is like this. they come in here with huge suitcases. they come in here for working and sitting for some accommodation. >> reporter: these are fresh arrivals from russia arriving with the backpack on their back. >> yes. >> reporter: in the city hundreds of miles from the russian border i spoke with dozens of newly arrived russians ranging from doctors. >> if we refuse to go to this war, we should go to the jail. >> reporter: to engineers, i.t. specialists and university students. you ran away from russia. >> yeah. from mobilization, from military service, yeah, yeah. >> reporter: most don't want to be identified to protect loved ones still in russia. >> how can i take part in the war without the wish to win this war? >> reporter: this man says putin's draft left him no other choice but to flee the country

leaving his wife and child behind. >> we do not trust our government. we don't believe in what they say. >> reporter: he says a russian government crackdown on dissent has made protesting futile leaving hundreds of thousands of men now suddenly adrift trying to find work and accommodation in foreign countries. >> i'm the citizen of the country that started that war. i did not support this war, never did, but somehow i'm still connected with this state because of my passport and i am at the same time a refugee and the aggressor. >> reporter: russians on the run sharing a collectiveness of hopelessness and guilt over the destruction caused by their government. >> how are these large numbers of russians avoiding military service being received in places like kazakhstan? what do they do there? >> reporter: well, anderson, the president of kazakhstan has

said that these people are being forced to leave because of a hopeless situation and he says that his country has a responsibility to take these russians in, these exiles, which is pretty striking when you consider kazakhstan is in a security treaty with russia and is supposed to be a close ally, but it's accepting essentially large numbers of draft dodgers. i have spoken with ordinary kazakhs who have been part of a grassroots effort to welcome these russians, some of them taking them, strangers, into their homes. this is all the more striking when you consider traditionally it is the former soviet republics of central asia, poorer republics like kurdistan that sent russian laborers to earn money where they often face racist treatment and now large numbers of russians are coming to central asia and people i talk to here say they

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down these streets. >> reporter: socket sony leads resilience force, a national nonprofit advocating for workers who descend on disaster stricken communities helping fill demand for essential cleanup and recovery jobs. >> yes. they're earning money sending it home to their families, but the cost of doing this work is enormous, cost to their health, cost to their safety. >> reporter: sony says a significant chunk of that workforce are migrants. many, if not all, are undocumented. that's the irony here. >> we are not a sanctuary state. >> reporter: in the wake of hurricane ian migrants are flocking to florida just weeks after its governor flew willing asylum seekers from texas to martha's vineyard in an effort to score political points. >> unfortunately there's a lot of folks that come across. where do they want to end up? everyone wants to come to florida. so we've worked on innovative ways to be able to protect the

state of florida from the impact of biden's border policies perform. >> reporter: governor desantis needs these immigrant workers. he is now presiding over a recovery. he is also aspiring to higher office and will be evaluated on how he leads this recovery and the one thing he cannot do without is workers. as hurricane ian made its way through florida, this group of venezuelan men made the trip there from states where their immigration proceedings are playing out. among them, krisman. he and his family were among the house of migrants who found themselves on buses to new york city after making a long and treacherous trek. when he heard there were opportunities to earn money in the cleanup effort, he spent some of the little he has to make his way back down south. he sends video dispatches back to new york where his family

waits for his return. just like i'm starting from zero he says, many of the people here are doing the same. i came here happy to help. it's impossible to know exactly how many migrants like him may be working off the books as part of relief efforts in florida. desantis changed the subject when asked by cnn specifically about laborers. >> there are venezuelan asylum seekers in new york that are being reportedly recruited to come to the state of florida and work on the hurricane recovery. i'm wondering what your response is to those reports and whether you would turn them away. >> first of all, our program that we did is a voluntary relocation program. >> reporter: florida not the first state to see this transitory migrant workforce after natural disasters. joni arbuto says he's offered his services throughout the country since katrina. the nicaraguan father who now lives in louisiana says he doesn't do it for the money but

to help bring relief to people. johnny says despite the politics at play on the ground he's proud to be among the migrants helping florida rebuild. >> look at that house and that one. this street alone is three months of work just to get this street, this one city block back up and standing. there's enough work for immigrants and the locals. >> polo, are more migrants expected to make their way to florida to help? >> reporter: without question. many of the asylum seekers are actually being recruited on the streets and online with promises of weeks long post hurricane cleanup work. those are offers that are very difficult to pass up. many of the roughly 17,000 asylum seekers who arrived in new york city since spring are still waiting for their work authorizations from the federal government because of a massive backlog. that's why like the man you just heard from are taking

these kind of jobs making $14 an hour to pull damaged sheetrock from damaged buildings, but that comes with risks. that's why the asylum groups in new york city are making sure they know if they are going to head to florida they know some of their rights even if they're working off the books. >> polo sandoval, appreciate it. coming up next, herschel walker's son once a supporter, now a sharp critic of his father and georgia senate candidate, more on him ahead.

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we have this just in tonight. arizona's near total abortion ban, a i state appeals court put enforcement of it on hold granting emergency stay requested by planned parenthood. the ruling allows health providers to perform abortions on individuals up to 15 weeks pregnant until planned parenthood arizona's appeal is decided. now to wisconsin where a debate wrapped up in the wisconsin senate race between ron johnson and dellam barnes. omar jimenez is in madison, wisconsin, for us tonight. what were some of the big takeaways from it? >> reporter: well, we hit on a number of topics in this first confirmed debate between senator ron johnson and senator hopeful lieutenant governor

barnes. one of the topics was addressing public safety concerns. barnes despite criticism in the past denied wanting to defund the police but said he wanted to make sure communities had enough resources on the front end to prevent crime from happening. here's how senator johnson answered. >> the first thing you do is you support law enforcement and unfortunately the lieutenant governor has not done that. he has a record wanting to defund the police. he doesn't necessarily say that word, but he has a long history of being supported by people that are leading the effort to defund. he used codewords like cori bush said, talk about reallocate, overbloated police budgets. he says it pains him to see fully funded police budgets. that's his views. >> the senator did mention police officers. with that said i'm sure he didn't have the same interaction with the 140 officers that were injured during the january 6th insurrection. one officer was stabbed with a metal stake, another crushed between a revolving door, another hit in the head with a

fire extinguisher. when we talk about respect for law enforcement, let's talk about the 140 officers he left behind because of an insurrection he supported. >> i immediately and forcefully and have repeatedly condemned it strongly. i've also condemned the 570 riots that occurred during the summer. so many people ignore those. >> reporter: just this week johnson did also say that what happened on january 6th was not an armed insurrection to use his words. he said that the protesters from the summer of 2020 taught those on january 6th to use flagpoles as weapons. that would mean they would be classified as weapons, hence an armed insurrection. you see a bit of confusion there, but he was asked very clearly if he thought mike pence did the right thing on january 6th , certifying the election. of course, he answered yesterday because joe biden is president.

>> i should point out you're in milwaukee. i misspoke. the georgia senate race, "the new york times" reports about herschel walker urging an ex-girl friend to get an abortion. his son christian has openly denounced his father over the allegations, a move that catapulted him into the national spotlight. more from our gary tuchman. >> hi, my name is herschel walker and i'm running for the united states senate seat. >> reporter: for now herschel walker has lost the support of one of his children, 23-year- old christian walker. he certainly seemed to have his son's support in. mar-a-lago this past december he earned a kiss from his father after making a speech and uttering words like these. >> the democrats have the agenda to turn us into a third world hell hole. >> reporter: the younger walker is unambiguously conservative saying this alongside his father 19 days before the capitol insurrection. >> i don't think the question

is even whether or not there was fraud. it's clear there was fraud. >> reporter: his words on social media are often loud. >> liberals let's shut up about trump and talk about how crappy joe is doing. >> reporter: christian walker is prolific on social media with hundreds of thousands of followers on different platforms. on instagram and on the starbucks drove-through his aversion to masks is made clear. >> don't talk in a normal voice with your mask on behind the glass. i can't hear! i can't hear! speak up! >> reporter: on his podcast which he calls uncancellable he attacks and insults. >> so, girls, don't follow the gays and i know like i'm attracted to men. so funny you're listening to me. i'm telling you right now don't listen to your gay friends because they're most likely sleeping with the guy on the first date and a week later crying to you about how their heart's broken. >> reporter: on tiktok this was this from past may which

will prove to be a foreshadowing of the present. >> mothers, it would be great if you stayed home and raised your kid instead of ran off to bang a bunch of women who weren't your baby mama. stay home and raise your fricking kids. your kids need a father. get back home. >> reporter: that brings us to this week tweeting about his father. every family member of herschel walker asked him not to run for office because we all knew some of his past, every single one. e decided to give us the middle finger and air out all his dirty laundry in public while simultaneously lying about it and then he elaborated. >> i stayed silent as the atrocities committed against my mom were downplayed. i stayed silent when it came out my father had all these random kids across the country, none of whom he raised and you know my favorite issue to talk about is father absence. surprise because it affected me. the abortion part drops yesterday. it's literally his handwriting on the card. they say they have receipts, whatever. he gets on twitter. he lies about it. >> reporter: herschel walker

says he's not lying. we reached out to christian walker to talk more about this. we have not heard back from him yet. much of the younger walker's social media consists of outrageous rifts designed to get attention. >> i'm tired of all these models who look like they've never seen a treadmill in their life. i miss when our models were pretty and fit. >> reporter: but what christian walker is now saying could affect an election and perhaps who controls the u.s. senate. >> okay, i'm done, done. everything has been a lie. >> reporter: gary tuchman, cnn atlanta. still ahead, growing unrest in iran fueled in part by the death of two teenager protesters, more on that ahead.

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remarkable scenes of bravery coming out of iran this week as thousands of people across the country joined uprisings follows the death over a young woman at the hands of the so-called morality police. iranian authorities denying the girls were killed by security forces. >> reporter: with a cheerful hello serena ismael welcomed people into what she called my whole universe.

the video diaries of a 16-year- old. she could be any teenage girl anywhere in the world goofing around, dancing, singing, just having fun, but this isn't anywhere in the world. this is the islamic republic of iran where life's expressions are anything but free. [ speaking non-english ] >> reporter: three months after that video serena joined the thousands of iranian women and girls rising up for their liberties demanding their rights. serena was forever silenced on september 23rd. amnesty international says based on information it has, security forces beat her, striking her on the head with batons severely beating her to death. iranian judicial authorities denied she was killed. they say sarena died by suicide jumping from the roof of her

grandmother's home. their claim just days after they said another 16-year-old protester, nika shakarami who was found dead in tehran, also died after falling from a building. arrests have been made in the investigation of her death. family members of both girls have appeared on iranian state media repeating the government's claim. the u.n. human rights office told cnn they received reports authorities forced nika shakarami's family to give the interview. families are being intimidated and harassed into silence. this comes three weeks after the death of mahsa amini while in the custody of the so-called morality police. on friday the government's forensic report blamed the death of the 22-year-old on an underlying medical condition after the operation of a brain tumor as a child. amini's family repeatedly denied the claims. they say she was healthy. it was police brutality that

killed her. they said doctors told them she suffered trauma to the head. anger over amini's death sparked an uprising like no other in iran, too many lives already lost in this battle for freedom, for change. [ speaking non-english ] >> reporter: too many young lives ended too soon. >> given the deaths and the government crackdowns, are there still many protesters out on the streets in iran? do we know how long this can go on for? >> reporter: anderson, the determination of these protesters is really remarkable. we've never seen anything like this before in iran, certainly not on this scale almost daily

seeing protesters taking to the streets of different cities. you're seeing acts of defiance across the country. you've got the working class, middle class, fearless young school girls who have joined in these protests and the government's response has been unleashing brutal force against the protesters, lethal force according to human rights organizations that say they've been shooting directly and deliberately at the protesters, but it hasn't stopped the demonstrators. i mean we are still seeing these young protesters taking to the streets. we're seeing this young generation of iranians that says more emboldened, more defiant than ever and they're absolutely fed up and they're rising up right now to claim the rights and freedoms. the past three weeks we've watched the protests very closely and what started off as demands for justice and accountability for the death of

mahsa amini very quickly morphed into these rising calls for regime change. >> any sense where it goes next? >> reporter: i mean that is the concern right now. this is a regime, anderson, that has not hesitated in the past to unleash real brutal force to crack down on protests. we saw what happened back in 2019. that was very different. it was protested sparked by the rise in fuel prices, but hundreds of people were killed during that crackdown under the cover of this internet shutdown that we're seeing again right now. this is a regime that's willing to go all the way unleash this force to stay in power. the concern is that you have this very determined generation and i've spoken to protesters who say look, we're not the previous generation. we're not going to try and reform this regime because it cannot be reformed. they want the complete regime change and the concern is the

longer these protests go on, the more persist not they are, the higher the chances of the regime really unleashing its full force that we haven't seen yet, but one thing is for certain from watching all that has been going on over the past three weeks getting these remarkable videos on a daily basis coming out of the country, no matter where this goes one thing is for certain. the barrier of fear in iran has been broken. >> appreciate it. thank you. coming up next we take a trip with stanley tuchi as we prepare for season three of his cnn series "searching for italy." we're not just on your corner... we're in your corner. with smarter, more affordable care. that'll bring more life to your smile... and more smile to your life.

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similar to the baccala and tomato juice i grew up with. >> i spoke with stanley earlier about his visit. thank you so much for joining me, stanley. congratulations on the new season i'm very excited to see. the first episode you are going to the birthplace of your grandparents. what was that like? >> well, it was very exciting because my parents were able to come with me. >> that's cool. >> my dad is 92. yeah. my mom is 86 and it was great. they've never thought -- they've been many times, but they never thought they'd be able to go back and luckily they were able to. they're very fit and it was wonderful. it was very moving and i hadn't been there for 50 years.

so i was there when i was 12, yes. >> wow. that's amazing. so did you know your grandparents? did you learn anything new about your family while you were there? >> i didn't really learn anything new. i just got to meet more of them and it was really just quite beautiful. the thing i did learn was i was able to go to my -- so both of them are from c alabria meaning both sets of grandparents. i was able to go to marci where my grandfather was from. i've been where my mother's family is from and that was really exciting to sort of wander around the town as my dad tried to find the house that my grandfather grew up in. we don't know if we found it, but it was really moving. the whole thing was moving, to be with my mom's family.

>> of course. >> you know, to sort of make that search with my dad was great. >> for those who don't know calabria, i did look this up and got the easy explanation online which is that if italy is a boot, calabria is the toe. >> toe of the boot. >> what is it known for? what kind of stands out about the region? >> well, unfortunately calabria is known for its poverty, its corruption and its immigration. in other words, so many italians left calabria in the early 1900s and certainly after world war i because many of them were conscripted because they were the poor and they were forced to fight in world war i. my grandfather being one of them.

it is still a very poor region. it is still under the thumb of the mafia, a form of the mafia. however, the people are fighting against it in new ways and it has so many riches to offer meaning that the land has so many riches and the people i have to say are some of the most welcoming people in the world. >> where else are you going to go this >> oh, well, we went to pulia, really interesting, very different topographically.

it's very dry, very sparse, but it's incredibly beautiful. >> there's some really interesting architecture that i've seen images of, sort of in houses just there's a particular kind of architecture. >> yeah. they're called truli and all made out of stone and have these conecal roofs and we talk about that in the show. they're very interesting. there's a beautiful town that is really gorgeous that's all of these truli. they're white washed on the bottom and have these beautiful gray stones that go up into this cocalnical shape. we went to sardinia which is stunning and amazing food and luguria which is that small sort of slit of land that

borders france and tuscany that is gorgeous. >> stanley tucci, such a pleasure to talk to you. congratulations again on the new season. >> thanks so much. nice to talk to you, too. >> nice gig, stanley tucci, searching for italy, 9 p.m. eastern and pacific this sunday only on cnn. we'll be right back. (desert wind blowing) sand. (engine revving) (cheering) we like sand, don't we? between the toes and such, and, in other places. (glass jar breaks) (shoes tapping on floor) expedia tracks the price of your flight, and lets you know when it's best to book. ♪ so you can go see all the sandiest sand. and never wonder if you booked at the right time.

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but i do have to say thank you anderson. it is weird when people say i grew up watching you. i didn't grow up watching you. but when i was working for another other networks and i would see you and you were just a great journalist and you have been a really good friend. and, an excellent coworker and i asked you the other day, anderson, am i crazy for doing this? i think you are actually very smart. >> totally. it will be great. thank you anderson. be well. what anderson said. this is the last time i will be saying that. this is my final show at 10:00 p.m. and we have surprises ahead so stay tuned. tonight, we have brought together some of oureg