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. i'm david cold very in los angeles, and this is cnn. >>. i mean guessing i don't have to remind anyone there's mid-term election about a month away, democracy and the gloves are officially off. well, if they were ever actually on. >> between there was a if iry debate in ohio between jd vance and ryan and we have

specifically spicy events >> we have interesting moments we'll talk about, let's play some of those, first we bring in smart people. >> or the spice. >> ok. ha ha. let's bring them in. so my estrange work husband, john. >> am i in the wrong seat? >> lean over for loves >> stayed up late for us between and you're doing new day. >> stay up the whole time. >> amanda wakes up. the camera is on her >> he's so good, we're joined by happy to have you here as well, and keith, great to have you guy >> i have laurens brook on my bookcase. >> i wasn't going to say anything. >> it's on my bookcase at home. >> i appreciate you, it was nice, do you guys want to hear what's going on in ohio between the? there's a debate. so i'll play you some of the sound of what these two gentlemen have just said to each

other. >> i think the problem is when you have guys like jd vance who can't stand up to anybody, few weeks ago in youngstown on the stage, donald trump said to jd vance all you do is kiss my ass to get my support. he said that. that's bad. because in means jd vance will do whatever he wants, i have been a pain in the rear end to nancy pelosi and if chuck schumer is the leader i'll be a pain in the rear end for him too, i'm from ohio i don't kiss anyone's ass like him. ohio needs an ass kicker not an ass kisser. >> first lines >> john ass kissing is bad? is that what i'm supposed. >> ass kicking is good, he's trying to lead into authenticity tim ryan what he's done for the beginning of this campaign is trying to say i am genuine ohio, and jd vance says went to sell couldn't valley and what he was doing was trying to lay that up, create the distinction and

he did, yes, have a well rehearsed line that meant he was prepared for the debate. which was probe a good idea. >> you walk into the debate with your take away line, clearly that was his line, big message both are trying paint the other as the elitist >> hey also trying to paint him as trump tote and flip-flopper, the reality is they will paint each other in the same light but i believe big issue was crime how they were i'm going to address crime that was the ambition issue they were getting to the nuts and bolts of people in ohio were. >> speaking crime. any idea that denying the affair in free elections the idea of thinking about democracy as anything other than fair and free, listen to think and respond to this and what they're

saying now about election deniers and who sides with who. >> this is the crowd that jd is running around with. the election deniers, the extremist. that's not ohio. that's not robert portman. that's not george, that's not jared brown, that's the -- those, that's not for us. he's running with an extreme, it's very, very dangerous. >> rob portman endorsed me of course and i find it interesting how preoccupied you are with this at a time when people can't afford groceries to walk down streets safely let's focus on the significant issues right now, tim. >> are they different. >> people can't afford to walk down the streets safely people can't afford to go to the capitol and be safe because people are actually taking them and jd vance not only encouraged this but raised money for the

insurrectionist and i think tim ryan made that today. i think democrats probably got into this earlier, democrats have to be more effective and responding to -- how can you say that you're a party that against crime when donald trump is your leader and you're supporting an insurrection against united states capitol. >> this really is for republicans to address that it's more than january 6. it's 365 days a year, not just one day of the year and we're looking at many democratic candidates are soft on crime, they have -- they have advocated, we're talking about available form soft on crime, we're talking about defund the police. democratic >> defund the fbi because republicans love being hard on criminals when the criminals are people who look like me. but when the criminals are people that like like donald trump, they don't seem to care about that as much, willing to excuse it when it comes to people who do things like even herschal walker, willing to

excuse that, but it's all about who serves the interest of the republican party at that moment. can't be situational politics if you expect people to take the seriously as party. >> you look at the polling numbers issues important to the american people, whether it's immigration, whether it's inflation, whether the economy or whether it's crime, top issues for voters trust republicans. >> i think one of the point you're making is it's not democracy. when jd vance said, how can you be preoccupied or how preoccupied you are with basically he meant with democracy. >> how can you be thinking about democracy all the time. >> i also think if you listen to what tim ryan did, he did something specific, trying to position himself as sort of third political party, ohio, the ohio party, saying is there are democrats and republican >> but ohio state >> he is the ohio state university. he references george, rob portman who republicans who did

very well in ohio but sharon brown a democrat who's done well and he's trying to put himself as ohio first and he needs to do that. why because donald trump won ohio by eight points in 2020 he's going into this knowing -- this is a state that bleeding red, more than bleeding red, heavily red at this point right now, he's got to do soming is different. >> we're seeing this every time, in pennsylvania, too, the notion of an outsider now it's who's pennsylvania between federer man and oz, whole comment today about who looks the part, who plays the part, who is relatable >> you own a mansion in new jersey and a home in florida, and you try to run for office in pennsylvania, nobody really buys that in terms of your authenticity. the same way i don't -- even though the herschal walker i hate to go back, he went to the university of georgia, he was a football star there, he's been living in texas the past how many years and comes back to

georgia just because donald trump went to run for office there, the big problem is donald trump. donald trump recruited jd van recruited herschal walker, donald trump recruit dr. dr. oz, all these people, masters and all these people because he wanted the election did i and iers people supported him instead of best for republican party and i think the republican party alice may or may not agree with me, regretting that. >> it's funny how you're preoccupied with democracy. >> i agree with keith boykin, at the end of segment, go to commercial. all right, because donald trump did self appoint and put his name behind and push and fund raise for and really endorse candidates that were not only election deniers conspiracy theorists far right of even the republican party and had a huge uphill battle what was the midas

touch of trump for the primary is an an core, all of them hadley an uphill battle, you're completely correct in terms of distancing themselves for the general election, i'm wait for the but >> there is no but i've said they didn't a long time, there are very far right for the primary, it's an uphill battle but they have, but they -- but -- they have made progress in to the middle, it's an uphill battle, many states are strategic he will at a dead heat >> it shouldn't be a dead heat. >> the ohio is a lot closer than they should be for the republicans right now and part of that is candidates. >> thank you. we want to hear from you all but also people out there, because we have a lot more to talk about we want to know what you think tonight as well everything from cream to we're talking about today, to republicans rallying around herschal walker, we

haven't gotten to the kanye's twitter account. also straight out of twitter verse we have a viewer weighing in on the herschal walker controversy, the gop is a party of win at all costs unlike dems they never hold their candidates to standards al franken katy hill are who recent examples, i think that kind of echos what they were saying that democrats do that better than -- do it to a great -- they hole. >> democrats never. >> that democrats, was. >> i think. >> rewind >> democrats hold them like al frank ken, hose twitter with his ewart. the gop is the party of win at all costs. >> that's been part of the conversation, we have the grammar police, but the idea is, remember there was always a conversation a couple years ago about democrats and republicans the moral high ground battling to figure who was afraid to lose

the when it was our chance went do x, y, z is that still a battle, the moral high ground or is that gone? >> what is it >> well, it's not? georgia. the more high ground right near isn't isn't georgia, because rick scott and tom cotton -- they're there tuesday, tomorrow or today and democrats what's interesting i believe a good question is would democrats do it again? would they do al franken again? and i don't know the answer to that question. because you talk to a lot of democrats and they regret that. >> absolutely. >> i do think herschal just happens to be the case dejuror of someone who is flawed candidate, in a tight race and if he was behind by ten points i guarantee we wouldn't even be talking about this but the fact this is a dead heat and this is a red state in georgia, my home state, democrats are going full

board at all costs to make sure they highlight his past instead of what he's planning to do for the future of the people of georgia >> another point they already lost the state to joe biden, in 2020, and they lost the two senate seats to democrats in this red state, they're already feeling badly because they were listening to donald trump. if it hadn't been for donald trump making himself the center of attention they my still hold georgia and senate. >> keep the comments coming tweet us. i want you to hear from you. >> stick around everybody, next i'll talk to the candidate who actually gave birth in her campaign ad. it's the best campaign ad you've ever seen. >> it is. >> it is so, i have so many questions for her. and how did she look so good in labor? so many questions. we'll be right back. ♪. ♪. ♪. rob's dry cough? works on that too, and lasts 12 hours. 12 hours?! who studies that long? mucinex dm relieves wet and dry coughs.

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. with mid-terms looming, they're getting personal, a congressional candidate gives birth to a baby in her new campaign ad. >> my husband and daughter help take care of the chickens. and there's someone else who's going to be joining us and helping to pitch in with farm life very soon. but these days i worry about storms that are stronger and more frequent because of climate change. about our kids under performing public schools, and about louisiana's new abortion ban. one of the strictest and most severe in the country. we should be putting pregnant women at ease, not putting their lives at risk. i haven't spent my career in washington, i've work my way up from bartender to ceo. now, i help nurses organize complicated health records because nurses aren't just heros, they're saints. louisiana deserves better than

the path we're on. i'm katy darling and i'm running for congress because i want that better path now, for her and there we go, for him. >> and katy darling joins us for you a democratic candidate running for congress in louisiana, katy that's most remarkable campaign ad i've ever seen, how did you do that? it was pretty natural process, i mean proud of it. >> whose idea was it to say you know what you should do? you should give birth in your campaign ad. did you say that? was it a campaign manager? how did that happen >> well, my pregnancy is what ultimately got me into the race, so as we were deciding how to introduce me as a candidate and how to share my story, it was a

natural evolution of what was happening in my life and so i did work with a couple talented folks to put it together, but it was just, really organic what was happening in my life at the time and the purpose of my campaign was to share that story of being pregnant in louisiana right now. >> i mean, it's so well done. because it actually you don't -- you don't really know until the reveal at the end where you have your newborn in your arms, that's all real. that was all actually happening. who was taping this? >> we had two cinematographies from louisiana that worked with us on capturing that moment. >> i promise i'm going to get to the to issue that you want to talk about in a minute but how did you look to good in labor? >> did i? it was a blur.

in the moment, that's just how i look when i was there, there was no makeup, no hair, that was me. >> it's remarkable, can you tell us the larger upon the here? tell us what family planning means in louisiana and wha t let

really interesting to see that tactic and you were able to pull it off thanks for your time tonight and you have a newborn, thanks so much. >> thank you. >> thank you. so i no longer going to say i woke up like this also i gave birth like this. >> how did she do it? she was in labor in that ad and she made it look easier than i remember it being. >> i had two sections.

i had epidural, i was fine but i look at these issues and say, it got your attention, and then it was look, i was seven months pregnant she said when roe v wade was overturned we're talking about a lot of people making decisions to run for office very close in time because the urgency, and ad, belief that's one ad but the ad wars are heating up as we get closer and closer to mid-terms but some of the ads may be more effective than others, let's look at those next with our panelists standing by at the ready. ♪. ♪. ♪. new science shows it gets in between teeth to destroy 5x more plaque above the gumline than floss. for a cleaner, healthier mouth. listerine. feel the whoa!

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white house this is cnn. >> time is running out for candidates, tight mid-term races to win over the voters, best way to do it? some find campaign ads but they're blasting that may all over the airways, some are personal, some are cheeky, what it is, what will take to have voters change their mind now or five weeks away, back now with john alice and keith boykin can we first talk about your interview. >> i will never get over that campaign ad. >> well, we had twin, i have seen something like that >> would you turn night an ad. >> we did -- years of therapy. listen, because i'm 12 years all i can think about what if the director or cinematography said you know, i don't like that take. let's do that again right there >> incredible, so effective. i thought. >> watching all of you watch it as well, we're kind of like, oh,

it's happening. >> that was really happening. >> that's one they don't know she can say none of the male politicians have done in a campaign ad, she can claim that >> what makes an effective ad. >> clearly a personal story, that's a very personal story and a compelling message, and certainly message that connects with the people, you know, you can sit there and talk about numbers and polls and stats and figures and dollars and cents, but it's a personal story that really is able to resinate with people and all, at the end of the day i've been on many presidential campaigns you can check all the boxes of all the things you need to do to run for office, if you don't connect with the people they're not going to support you your ads need to connect on a personal level. >> mission accomplished. >> sometimes that connection, as we see, it's interesting that people can want to turn away or

think it's too personal to have that birth on screen, but then decide people's personal decisions in that same context and politics, but with what's interesting about this is sometimes what the connection is they want to appeal to the visceral, they want to appeal to the stick it to the other person, that anger, that sort of sentiment, >> and anger can be an effective way to reach people in an ad too, but i think you know, the more effective ads are the ones that deal with some sort of sense of authenticity i thought was a very authentic ad and just to show your personal experience and to relate to the story that's -- it's a very political story and national story but to take it in a very local granular level and talk about how it affects you. very similarly, i think raphael warnock makes some amazing campaign ads, humorous, self deprecating but focused on issue >> before we get that let's play one for ron desantis i think he's doing what you're all by using his wife, obviously, some

people would say that ron desantis could use to be humanized on some level and his wife >> is that a robot. >> i was trying to >> his wife i think does that. so here this is. >> if you want to know who ron desantis really is, when i was diagnosed with cancer, and i was facing the battle for my life, he was the dad who took care of my children when i couldn't. he was there to pick me off of the ground when i literally could not stand. he was there to fight for me when i didn't have the strength to fight for myself. that is who ron desantis is. >> so also highly personal. >> can i say say something about that? it's emotional ad and i don't want to say anything to disparage that experience. but at the same time, i find that ad incredibly problematic.

because what it it, everything she's saying is counter intuitive to who ron desantis is as a leader. yes, you can be kind and compassionate to your wife, to your friends, to your family, but can you do it to the people of your state? the people who are vulnerable, people who you're shipping -- going to another state and flying them to massachusetts, what kind of compassionate person is that? so yeah, i don't give a damn that you can just sit and help your family if you're not able to do that for the rest of the people in your community and your state. that's your job as the leader. yes, you're a good human being perhaps with your family but being a good leader for your state. not just for your family. is that cynical or hypocritical. >> if you've seen anything of hurricane ian you've seen ron desantis at his aappealing to the people, making sure their needs were me, making sure the

needs were met, meeting with president biden, getting federal assistance, making sure they had food and housing and clothes, he was very compassionate. and very where, in terms of immigrants he sent elsewhere he did that because he was overwhelmed in state of florida. >> immigrants in texas. how is he overwhelmed by immigrants in texas he went to texas and took immigrants from texas to florida to massachusetts. >> the tie breaker was effective or >> i think. >> i think you hit it on the head when introducing it. if you read profiles like there's a new yorker profile of ron desantis he has a problem connecting on a personal level with other people. including people who seem to be his friends, so this was an effort to humanize him. this is something the campaign clearly saw that was a need that needed to be filled, and this is how they chose to do it. it's a very emotional ad. it's a memorable ad to be sure, which is what you want, you want an ad to be memorable, to get

played on tv for free like this and you also want it to be shared on line. and on twitter and whatnot, so i believe it work in that sense. >> agreed, very, we've had two examples here of very intimate family experience there in campaign ad, when we come back, we'll talk about kanye west, he's anti-simitic tweets. >> i would say oy. >> why his twitter accounts are lock you can imagine. >> we want to know what you think about it here is a tweet in jenny and it tesla r says kanye needs to go to the hall cost museum followed by the african-american history then stop posting/talking and just listen to people for awhile. send he is your thoughts to at allison or vlaura coats. >> am i still telling you more

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last week at his paris fag show wearing a t-shirt with white lives matter written in huge afternoon on his back, days

later he tweet and i'm quoting here, going def con 3 on jewish people you guys toyed with me and tried to black ball anyone who opposes your agenda, end quote, his account is now locked for the anti-semitic tweet. back to talk with us, john, kanye has spoken about having means mentaldis disorder, he becomes hyper paranoid and described himself as thinking everything is a conspiracy, are we supposed to take that into consideration when he says repugnant things like that. >> you can have mental illness and be anti-semitic and i think you need to call that what it is which is pure anti-system nichl 101, we shouldn't even call it anti-system nichl. just call it jew hating because

it desantis advertises it. that's classic jew hating going back to the conspiracies people have spun for centuries, you people have undermined me so long, you are controlling things and pulling strings, that's what it is. what's motivating it to me is less interested and less important than acknowledging what he just did in public for everybody to see. i know there's debate about whether twitter should deplatform him. i don't care what twitter does. i care that he said this, someone this high profile with this many people who are looking at him, felt it was ok to say something so blatant in front of the whole world whether out loud or twitter is not important. >> when you hear people say things like this you wonder because they're uninformed about what happened with the holocaust and or just anti-semitic and i

agree he needs to go to the holocaust and take a history lesson what happened and the atrocity that happened and african-american museum and learn a little bit about that. here's the thing that i find astonishing in the last week, he has not only offended jewish people. he clearly offended a lot of african-americans, when he went to paris fashion show with a white lives matter sweatshirt. they were frustrated and here's a man who is a businessman makes a lot of money off of rap music and selling clothes and taking a huge financial hit by pissing off every single you know, entity he possibly can, so you wonder what is the motive, his end game other than getting people to talk about him, he's losing a lot of business, no longer on social media >> not the anti-semitic tweet but he had an audience about an hour hunter carlton, i do

struggle on this i want to say why i'm a little bit quiet. i struggle with acknowledging a provocative, and it is extraordinarily important to continue to address what ought to be obvious, which is i don't buy anyone who tells me they're not educated about the holocaust or antisemitism, i think people make a choice to be a bigot or not and being bipolar does not make you a bigot. >> do you feel that >> i feel exactly the sale way, i've been dreading this, this is exactly what he wants, he wants us to be talking about him, to a certain extent even bad news, it's still gets him the attention that he wants. and kanye west is that

provocative, he knows what he's doing he knows even semitism is wrong, he knows preaching anti-blackness is wrong, when he talks about white lives matter, he also said solicitor was a choice, kanye west black people embraced him years ago because he talked about george bush during hurricane katrina, i wonder if that was just a part of his effort to be the provocative or all the time and kanye west is somebody unfortunately i think the republican party was starting to embrace a week ago, they like him a week ago until he went off the deep end again. >> they liked him ever since he like trump and he went to the white house to see trump and you know, fascination with him and giving him an hour television on another network, i don't understand that, but clearly, i don't feel as though someone with such anti-semitism deserves kind of attention he's getting

clearly he's getting it. we'll see a lot more who gets attention maybe there's a new sheriff who's seeing who will be back on or not. it's time for you to sound off i know you got opinions out there. what is your take on the best response to kanye west? direct your thoughts to at allison, and we'll hear them in a moment. you can tell us anything >> you can tell us anything, doesn't have to be about kanye. avoiding triggers, but still get migraine attacks? qulipta™ can help prevent migraine attacks. qulipta gets right to work. keeps attacks away over time.

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office to restore our economy and safety. period. >> i like it. succinct. right point. that's how you should tweet. what's next. >> the other one, this is response to herschal walker, republicans are supporting herschal walker because he's easy to manipulate, that's alice, not the one at our table who said that, you have herschal walker has a scandal lies about it and raises campaign donations trump gets searched boy the fbi, has stolen documents seized gets millions in donation this is a gop business motto. >> stop there,s that the gop business motto, trump showed them how to do that. the more scandal then there's more money raised. >> yes, whenever the fbi every time there was a new development with mar-a-lago, my in box would get filled with four, five, six, ten e-mail fund-raiser solicitations from trump because he portrayed himself as the

victim and they were on a witch hunt and there was prosecutor yell misconduct and going after him and that's the way he perceived it >> herschal walker is doing the same thing. >> i think we talked about this on another show, my question donald trump unicorn here, is donald trump the only one who can get away with what he did and get elected? i don't know the answer to that. i believe we'll learn, can herschal walker pull off what donald trump pulled off after access hollywood, after trump university, after everything, the list goes on and on. trump did it but i just don't know. i don't know if others can do it too. >> what we saw with trump, whenever there was access hollywood or any other scandals he did the same play book, denied deflect and demean those that accused him of these things, herschal walker is doing the same thing. >> except he did it faster, herschal walker had a few days of incomprehensible conversations where he was sort

of apologizing but we didn't know to whom, but donald trump immediately by his nature deflects deny >> he was define, that's why asking him to have more of a trump ian response, the idea who gets away with the teflon done phenomenon. part of what he was talking about his perception people that democrats are elitist part of that conversation people don't want to be told how to think or feel. it's for the a reaction to the pc museum. i don't know why there's a vice visceral reaction, this idea i don't want you to tell me who's a good candidate or not. i believe that's part of the herschal walker conversation. >> i think it's about people dictating who you should not like, it's the hypocrisy of the party, the party of family values, pro-life, party of protecting traditional values and you have herschal walker as

your candidate and apparently, the allegations are true, anti-thetical to all things and goes on to say i believe in redemption, how can you have row redemption if you haven't acknowledged you haven't done anything wrong, it goes back to the candidate quality, if many of these races if we can redo the candidates we might have different candidates but now for republicans, it's a by anywhere choice between herschal walker. >> and he might still win. i know you're talking about -- polls now in georgia have it tied at 45 a piece. herschal's is back in the field we'll be full speed ahead, top name republicans are going to georgia to show the by anywhere choice between herschal's policies and warnock. >> another tweet on the topic of kanye west and i'll leave this out in the conversation, comes in and it says an oppression we

pose using the #and sound off is what do you think the appropriate response ought to be to kanye west? one person said, man needs family intervention and they should be providing it. the right media should stop using him as a tool, but give a confused challenge man a break. but no to the media exploits him, four fifths right, yes, family should have intervention, theal right media should. you have the call this out, there's no excuse for it. if there is mental illness, he should get help but that's not an excuse for saying hateful things. and when someone who is -- has the profile that kanye west has says them you need to acknowledge it. at least it's dangerous not to. else it becomes ingrained in our

society, ok. >> maybe the solution is actually to deplatform people like that. >> he has something like 31 million followers, so you know, to your point, to staff it out you have to be platforms. we have two seconds. >> we talked so much big picture about what he's talking about for him to say when i wake forest up i'm going d ep con 3 on jewish people i can't be anti-semitic because black people are jews as well, this is not acceptable. >> on that note we can agree, before we go, say congratulations to keith, quitting why i left my job to live a life of freedom. i have to read it. that's relaxed >> it's a great cover photo. >> thank you, that's not quiet quitting, that's just quitting. >> love it. thank you. >> thanks so much for being with us on our inaugural show here, great to have you guys and thanks so much for watching. >> coverage continues. ♪. ♪.

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