dwayne the rock johnson may want to run for president. check out what he just told jake tapper. >> i have heard now from both sides of the aisle and the most influential people in politics asking if i would run, hoping that i would run. and again, it is so moving and

surreal, i don't know anything about politics, but the important job that i have is daddy, and my two wives, well i have to take that off the table running for president. one is six and one is four. >> i totally respect, it is beautiful, the kids do age, that's not closing the door for in 2040 even before than 2036 they will be in college. what about then? you're not closing the door forever is what i'm asking? >> no, not at all. i wouldn't do that. thank you for asking that and clarifying that. right now for my daughters it's important that i'm home and that stability is important for me to be there, and that's the most important thing to me. >> well, he's running that's what i heard. >> i was mesmerized. it was a moment.

our next guest john berman, stuart stevens, and mayor hut. of course i'm joking a little bit about the idea, but let's say if he's sitting across from you, he had as jenna said quote. i don't speak >> french is that french for neck? >> he has an enormous neck, i'm talking about jake. the rock was huge there. >> is that intimidating for you? >> it was exciting more than intimidating. i >> get the excitement part of it. >> what i could be one day if -- he would be the first professional wrestler as a candidate >> now! >> jess event truer, he would be the first action hero in office, arnold schwarzenegger did that. there is a well trodden path down this road if he wants to go that way. so i think with celebrity

candidates the question is should they? >> we have a graphic of our various islands with celebrities who have successfully made the transition into politics, and what you will see is that they are all, well this is then dressed as politicians. what i wanted to see is them in their characters. many of these guys are these kind of superhero types in their characters. so like schwarzenegger or the rock, ronald reagan a cowboy. they play these kind of big masculine american heroes, and i have to admit, i am susceptible to this. i'm very susceptible. i understand why people like this because you think in your head, they are big and strong and successful, why couldn't they be president? although nothing know nothing about the legislative process. who cares that they need to

know about three branches of government? i'm very susceptible to that and i think a lot of americans are. >> people like people who, but ronald reagan was 50% for bonds, also was not all supernatural characters. but look, a lot more people read people magazine and they do foreign affairs so i think people are drawn to him, he has a certain christmas, and i think they can be great in office. look at zelenskyy. and reagan had great moments as well. >> with the rock make a great president? >> i have no idea. >> many americans would vote for him? right >> the fundamental question is why would he run for president? i think that the essence is what is the logic behind this campaign? why are you running? with donald trump so transparent was so obvious, he was running because he wanted to be president. he would be an atrocity and if that would've helped him.

the republican party had said we'll give you everything we have if you bring us to power. so he cut that deal. >> he also had the appeal of being rude and being anti politically correct behavior and sticking it to people. the idea that he was going after the system and doing things his own way. there was an appeal that it was not about himself. >> just in the celebrity front, he also had the appeal of being a multi millionaire and being successful and being a tv star and a big show, that's why a lot of -- people >> also name recognition, it is number think that local and national candidates have to fight for, even knowing they are running for office. so if you run and people know you are there, it makes it so much easier to get to the next level. getting a fund raising, talking about policy or not talking about policy. but it's not enough and its own to get elected. george clooney had talked about running in kentucky as senator. his dad is well-known they're politically. he said it challenger matthew mcconaughey. so the celebrity is not enough.

you need the retail piece of it, you need people to be feel drawn to it and feel connected to you. and then people as voters need to feel like they can trust you in a crisis. >> but what we are talking about, let's take a step back, is what we expect from our politicians. i have a feeling if you think about, it just recently, kevin mccarthy's suggestion about the commitment to america. contrast that to new york rangers's contract with america. he was pointed out mccarthy as not having a lot of meat on the bone. are we requiring more from a celebrity to have a full platform before we take him seriously? that's not required of many people who are in office right now. >> no, it's not and i think that's partly in thanks to our two friends over here who sometimes bring candidates as outsiders and praise can canada's with people out without experience who are running for the jobs are going for the job. sometimes celebrity candidates at that by definition.

oh, i've never done this before, so that's a good thing. somehow our society doesn't value experience in the people who run our country as much as we do experience around companies. >> and people who start movies, it's sexier. john tone you think the rock would make a good president? i >> think you would make a big president, he would be huge. i would like to hear what he would write on, what he would do. i don't want to get too serious. >> honestly, if tom brady ran for president, he would vote for him. i know that. >> tom brady ran for 20 are, as you vote for. >> he can run for president either easier than he can run 20 yards. >> i was a patriots fan of gonna look -- the point is think about this. we are talking about the requirements of the person who's supposed to be by our founding fathers is not supposed to come down to one person.

when he respects, the risk present was supposed to be a sort of a figurehead in the three party government system. so why couldn't someone who doesn't have experience be in that realm? >> particularly when you end up with the pandemic. why have somebody who understands how to move ppe from what is it division to another. why would that be necessary in our country? >> but it is a weird fact in politics used to the most inexperienced kind of rains winds in a presidential race. there's a lot of arguments as to why that is but it has something to do with an american sense that you bet on the hope. we will bet that this person could be. whereas if you have a lot of experience your more tarnished, you've cuddle out of deals that were awkward. look, i don't think that's a good thing but it's an interesting thing. >> that is interesting. obviously, joe biden defies that, but donald trump certainly. >> clinton, bush, reagan,

carter. >> clinton and bush ran deeply on what they did for their states right? i was still an expertise and experience there. and in the crisis of 9/11 and the iraq war, bush was reelected. so in a moment of crisis people want stability and what represents debility, experience? we can trust, you're known quality. which celebrities can also bring that known quality. >> you think you know them. >> they're untested. >> you see them in a scripted universe and, would be interesting to see how the rock would be in the unscripted universe that is politics. >> and allison would like to interview the rock. yes call us rock if that is your real name. >> stick around please. >> it's. not >> you may think you have heard it all from herschel walker but you have not heard yet what he has to say about calais. >> i've been telling this little story about this bull

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as we just told you, mitch mcconnell does not want to respond to donald trump's insults about his wife. we asked you about what someone should do in that situation. here is a takeaway from twitter. one person saying, this man would do anything for power, look at his track record. he supported trump and now he is paying for it. i would have my wife's back but trump insulting peoples wives seems to be okay in the gop, ask ted cruz. when it's a fair point, we've

seen this before. >> ted cruz did respond. >> initially. >> he said this man people shouldn't >> have could he dare say anything. he got real angry and shouted on it >> that anger the, point of the anger didn't last. the notion about it the the idea that you're going to have a steadfast response when you are running and then i guess all's fair in love and politics, it's kind of a no hard feelings philosophy on capitol hill, that to the average person is stupid. i don't know how many people get over the things that they do on capitol hill and live in the real world, but capitol hill is very different. >> indeed. so anything you would like to tell lauren me you can tweet us it alison cameron and at the laura coats. now on here wanting to hear sure walker. just give a new interview on abc news and he talks about the claims that he paid for his ex girlfriend's abortion. he also talked a lot today

about campaign rally but pregnant cows. back with us now, bovine expert john berman, stuart stevens, and -- first of all stewart, i will start with you. we will never really know what happened with herschel walker and his ex girlfriend. she says one thing, she has various bits of evidence, he's denying it. it's a personal matter, we will never really know. we are also not sure we will know entirely what he meant by this story. let me play it for you all. 's story that he really wanted to tell tell about pregnant cows. >> i've been telling this little story about this bull out in the field with six counts. three of them are pregnant. so you know you got something going on. but all he cared about was kept in his nose against the fence looking at three other calls the belong to him. now all he had to do is eat

grass, but no, no, no, he thought something was better somewhere else. so he decided i want to get over there. so one day he mangled at fence up he says i think i can jump this. so that they came when he got back, and he got back and as he took off running he dove over that fence and his delegate cut up on the bottom, but as he made it over on the other side he shook it off and got so excited about it, that he ran to the top of that hill. but when he got up there he realized there were bowls as well. so what i'm telling you, don't think something is better somewhere else. this is the greatest country in the world today. >> well he's, got my vote. >> first of all, second and third of all, who's the half are in the story in the one about the three cows. number two, i think the phrases the grass is greener on the other side but is the man who has been talked about having

multiple children outside of marriage. you just saw alison, the snl skit john i will start with you what was. >> he was saying, save me. he was looking around at rick scott and saying how is this going to hand. he was dying to know what was going to happen to the ball. the grass is always greener. the cows have whatever on the other side of the fence. i'm just so confused. >> i'm getting dumber but the minute thinking about the. that hard as a person running for office not to say the words pregnant, baby mama, absentee father. why does he can continue to offer these segues automatically go to his personal life. when he's got things like the economy to talk about, you can go toe to toe one of the policy issues. he's drawing this attention to himself in some psychological moment that i really don't

understand. for any of us who have ever worked on campaigns, that's the two folks who are supporting him, just get back on track. >> this should be put in some sort of time capsule but a perfect moment that says what is happening to the republican party. you have rick scott up there who pled the fifth like a zillion times in the largest scandal ever. you have tom cotton who could be a serious human being. he went to harvard, served in the army but he's there. but they cut this deal that they would do anything for power. and once you do that, once you say that everything we believe in we don't care about, and once you go with donald trump, once donald trump is president evident goes by the board. this is what mitch mcconnell is doing, he's a want to pick these candidates really. trump said we'll take these, mcconnell could've stopped it or tried to stop. he just went along. this is what happens. why is he running? he's running because he will give them power. >> i don't want to leave it.

this story is obviously very colorful and there's room to make fun but he also had an abc interview tonight, i want you to a respond to it. because he was talking about really what he was joking about in part, he was questioned about all the discussions and all the women that he had come out too and talked about the notion whether he was an absentee father. here it is. >> i know initially last week you said you weren't even sure who the woman was. >> which is true. >> but at this point you know how who she is? >> yes. >> did you ever have a conversation at this woman at anytime about an. amberson >> no. >> did you ever do your knowledge give money to pay for the cost of an abortion? >> no. >> if she? lying >> yes, she's lying. >> yes she's lying. >> yes she's. lying >> just to be absolutely clear, i know in the past he said there's some things you don't remember -- >> that was before like 20 years ago passed. >> so in this current situation,

are you seeing a flat out denial to any knowledge of an abortion? >> flat out denial, lie. lie, lie, lie, lie. he said what was it, they had a receipt and a check and had all that. they haven't shown anything, hadn't shown said something about her neighbors in, that's what's terrible. >> he's dug this hole for himself but he's the one who made the idea of absentee fatherhood essential tenet of why he's running for office. his own son has come out saying that this is true, this is part of his life story, and he's being run by the establishment republicans with the support of white evangelicals in the state against a reverend, already senator, another black man who absolutely embodies the family values that we talk about of

the republican party of your. it's a very cynical play of putting up to black man to run for senate and suggesting that because one is supporting a specific set of policies, he is morally equivalent to the other one. >> look, alison he said at the beginning that we will never know the truth here. he's taking a political risk because he's got this problem with whether or not, it's got this problem with being authentic on the abortion issue. whether not is a hypocrite, and now he's leading into the honesty issue. he's laying down a marker for weeks before the election saying this woman is lying and that's a long time for more people to come up come. it >> is just a real story here? this is nothing to do with if harshly walkers qualified to be in the u.s. senate. it is a ridiculous figure. who's gonna walk overseer really want to hear what herschel's has to say about? this is just such a degradation

of what politics is. their interview me interviewing him in a weight room. he's lying, seven people in america who believe he's not lying. >> absolutely, the people who support. >> the point is there's a balance of power, the only reason the democrats have the balance of power that they have a tie breaking vote with the vice president. i don't care who's there, if your republican wanted to reclaim the majority, could enough. >> five weeks out. >> i think that these things, they taint a party. if a party absolutely stands for nothing, so you go with donald trump, you go with herschel walker, and really just -- >> are they really the same team? trump herschel walker? do you equate them a similar figures? >> yes, because they were both running because they want to be something, not because they want to go there and do something. they both are people who can't

really put together coherent sentences. they are both people who will never know anything about issues. and it's all about them. it's me, herschel walker, it's me donald trump. it's not about views, not about the voters, it's not about serving, it's about something i can be. i'm a star. both of them are stars. this is where you end up. >> the interesting thing is why you're seeing the race in georgia is much closer than what that eludes to. we'll talk more on this in a moment. the next question the, should children and this came out today, i don't know if you saw this alison, as a mom it's interesting to think about what this means. the question now is should children as young as eight years old he screamed for anxiety. that's what a medical task force is now recommending. i've got questions about what that means. having an eight year old daughter, morning with the answers will be. we'll talk about it. next, and if they are anxious then? what. that's coming up.

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there are growing concerns about a mental health crisis in america after more than two years of the pandemic. now for the first time the influential u.s. prevent task force the recommending screening for anxiety in kids ages eight and older. recommendation applying to really all children, not just those with diagnosed mental health condition or who are showing symptoms. all children. the question is, is this a step in the right direction? to talk about are now, as dr. jess carter, he's a clinical psychologist and associate

professor at the toro school of osteopathic medicine. also back with us is john berman and mayor hut. i have an eight-year-old, a nine year old, we are all parents here. i wonder immediately how this works? is it into the every 12 check, every physical, you test the child for anxiety? what does it look? like >> this task force they made recommendations, and it's not just for the ages of 1818 they talked about the importance of psychotherapy. they talked about the importance of making sure that you have the right testing. even with the testing that you ask the proper questions -- >> what are the right questions to find out even a year old is anxious? and is this essential, why are a rolls anxious in this country? >> what we do know is that 7.8% of children between the ages of three in 17 years old have some sort of anxiety disorder. so this is real. that may express itself through things such as generalized

anxiety disorder, agoraphobia, panicked astoria, panic disorder, these are real things. the kinds of questions that you ask. are you nervous more days than none? do you feel that when you are around other people that he may be fearful more days than none? part of the screening is asking the question in a way that the children do understand. this isn't just about the checkup from the neck up one type of screening. they are looking at different sorts of tests but as well the rights sort of questions to ask. when they're getting their well visits, seeing the pediatricians, working with social workers and working with nurses in schools. this is up to us once they make the recommendation. >> doctor, one of the things and one of the lasting consequences of not having had discussions about mental health in this country for so long and the aversion to talking about it, is that there are parents out there who think that by virtue of even asking those

questions you're leaving your child to think to something. if i introduce this to you, subtly it'll become a self fulfilling prophecy. can you speak to why that is a fallacy if it is? >> and the studies show the task force they do talk about this. they are looking at is there any harm in asking these sorts of questions? is there harm in doing the research? is there harm and once you give this that once the child may be affected in the way that you said? and they say no, they do not see this, not from this age group of 8 to 18. but, they don't have conclusive evidence that there is no harm for kids from seven and below, and that's why they're sticking with the 8 to 18. let me tell you this. this is a step in the right direction. after the pandemic we've seen an increase in anxiety. we've seen increases in depression, kids going to pediatric emergency services

for suicidal ideas. the idea is that the pandemic is hurt all of us, but it is really affected the children, not just the academics but the psychological. this is something that we should've done before the pandemic but now we see the importance of it now. >> it means having a baseline in part. we talk about our kids all the time, you have a two year old, for the last two years masks i've been a part of her life and i wonder do, you think about this idea of how it is impacted, and how near change from one child to the next? >> i had a child who went from 3 to 5 in that same period of time and at three he was outdoors playing with friends and learning about social interaction and how to deal with emotional processes. that just disappeared, he was locked in his house with a sick, pregnant mama. it fundamentally changed his personality until we were able to get him back in school. i'm glad he's in kindergarten and happiness, but these are pivotal moments in our children's lives and we spent

so much time in society worried about academic benchmarks that we've forgotten the idea of emotional learning. we see this as adults in dated emotionally crippled people. >> have we? >> maybe projecting here a little bit. >> on the subject of emotionally crippled john when you think? >> asking our children and teaching them how to talk about their feelings and emotions, this is necessary the socket up buttercup is not a message i want to give to an eight year old. >> john has teenagers and i saw this with teenagers. i was surprised about this with the younger kids. what's your take? >> if i talked about the need kill me. but i'm curious about is from sitting next to you for a bunch of years, as a society we've done so much the stigmatizing mental health and caring about mental and being aware of mental health, and i think we're much better.

all of us are much better that. but i do wonder that if it becomes uncomfortable though when all of a sudden we are talking better kids, or our younger kids if we are not quite as comfortable asking those questions. >> asking them if they are anxious or just admitting the? >> yeah, the idea that an eight-year-old -- >> had a lot of times we are in denial about our kids in one of the thing that the task force does say and i agree with it is prevention. and if it's not prevention, it's about early intervention. and the quicker that you do that the better the prognosis will be. let's be aware that there are some states -- we are talking politics here. there are some states that say keep out of our kids heads. we don't want to talk about social, a motion will learning. we don't to talk about our kids having possible psychological challenges. it's just the academics. not the absolute wrong thing to do that we need to do. because we know that school is not just about reading, writing and arithmetic, it's also about

learning interpersonal skills and who they. are >> we don't have a few seconds not but what you do if your child is anxious? >> the most important thing is hooking them up with the school counselor, having the pediatrician or child psychologist or social worker talk to them. again, the quicker you dresses the better it will be, because if you don't the chances are much, much higher as adults that they will not only stay with that kind of anxiety and develop some of these other anxious sorts of issues, but also becoming depressed as well. >> thank you. >> thanks so much for the conversation. really important. so today we lost a legendary star of stage, screen and tv. angela lansbury, and as laura has been teaching me today, part of angela lansbury's legacy that she starred in these movies that are now part of america's political lexicon. she'll explain all the. we can replace your windshield

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the great talk first angela lansbury was nominated for an oscar in gaslight and 1944 and the manchurian candidate in 1962. all these decades later, you know the titles of those two films have become part of the modern day political lexicon.

angela lansbury had an eight decade career in movies and tv and on stage and she died today at the age of 96, a few days shy of her 97th birthday. >> you were chew angela lansbury. i do know, because you insisted that we talk about are on the show. you have been a fan of sounds for a long-time. >> you don't understand. some kids saturday were spent playing, my saturday we see we watch the old movies with my family. talk about gaslighting, talk about hitchcock, i'm named after the movie laura, not doctors van gogh, laura. you're impressed. a fun fact about it though is a think about. why is this is so impactful, we've heard these phrases all the time. you're gaslighting somebody. the manchurian candidate. i think it's we've gotten so so used to being part of our conversations, who was this is pots for those younger kids from the beauty of the beast. the whole premise of it, look

at the scene from the manchurian candidate and you tell me if you don't see some parallels in the conversation as to why people are talking about. listen to this. >> if i told him to build me an assassin. i wanted a killer from a world filled with killers and it shows you. because they thought it would bind me closer to them. but now we have come almost to the end. one last spin and then when i take power they will be pulled down and ground into dirt for what they can do. and what they did and so contemptuously underestimating me. >> this is a whole scene people mind you about her trying to ensure that she could use someone to take over the government. that's how that phrase is taken over. a manchurian candidate enter merriam-webster definition

please. to this is the wrong definition. here you go. a person especially a politician being used as a puppet by an enemy power. the term is commonly used to indicate disloyalty or corruption whether intentional or unintentional. but there's more. gaslight. you've heard so many people saying you're gaslighting this person. enter this movie with of course angela lansbury, ingrid bergman, everyone had not you the other one and charles boyer. here's the scene and will premise this if you're falling along, someone is trying to turn this woman crazy, that she's not really seeing what is obviously happening, the dimming of gaslights in her home. >> nancy, did you turn off the gas in there? >> turn it off? no why? >> i thought it went down in here. >> i never touched it.

>> but it went down. perhaps elizabeth lynn another one in the kitchen. >> couldn't be in her mom, she's been in bed for an hour i can hear her snoring. >> in other words -- she's >> got an accent elevate. >> angela was obviously frustrated actress. >> but in the scene, there's the notion that you know what is happening, you're proceeding it, here's the definition again to the dictionary. thank you angela lansbury, and ingrid bergman. it is to psychologically manipulate a person over an extended period of time so that the victim questions the validity of their own thoughts, perception of reality or memories, experiences, confusion loss of confidence, self esteem, doubts about their own mental state. everybody the legacy of angela lansbury in films as why we talk about it critically today. >> this is all very familiar these terms. let's bring in our panel. they are back with us. john berman, you've been gaslighting me for years.

>> as soon as you read the definition of gaslighting, i said all now i know what this is! her performances were so stunning. the manchurian candidate is one of my all-time favorite movies. >> which one the original, or the denzel? >> there is only the original. the original is so good, and she was only three years older than lawrence harvey, she was playing his mom and real life, and she's so diabolical. for for those who only know her as jessica fletcher, for murder she wrote, bedrooms and broomsticks, or beating the east, where she plays these new people. she was so diabolical, so convincingly evil. >> i got that, that was scary. >> there's also the idea that do you realize what they're talking about? the intersection of the what celebrity candidates. we intersect our politics and our pop culture all the time. people say always that were that's? from yes! you talk about these movies in

the 40s. >> she was also deeply political. her family was very socialist and she even tweeted over age saying i am an actress than i am a socialist. her father was the socialist mayor of a part of london. she came here during the blitz and so she escaped the horrors of what we saw happening in the world wars. but she started to resent the fact that she wasn't getting picked in her twenties for glamour girl roles. she's getting picked as mothers. she talked later while she found a power in that because it was the mother rolls the really complex. it wasn't just the real pretty little ladies. it was weird in her twenties, she was playing significantly older women, but she found so much depth in the one of my favorite facts about her, her and her husband at the height of her their careers, took off and left hollywood to help their two children recover from heroin addiction. they canceled their careers for

years. >> from iran? right >> yes from. i'll >> stewart any thoughts? >> i think the way our political lexicon intersperses with popular culture is a positive thing, because i don't think politics should be separate from popular culture. if you look back, it's such a shock when bill clinton went on arsenal and played the saxophone. that's considered take undignified, and by the end of the campaign george bush would've played in a ban anywhere in america. i think because people feel more connected to this thing called politics. it shouldn't be some separate a little isolated technical little thing. now there's dangers in that when you have these celebrity candidates who don't really want to do anything. but for the most part, and part of what it means to be alive today. >> think you are cynical.

thank you for showing me the beauty of angela lansbury. i just knew her as the neutered know it all for murder she role. >> the neutered know what? all >> sochi wrote about murder she wrote i thought it the funny's description i everett. >> there she is. when after two years. think about that's only two years. and yet we think about it all the time. there she is. all right everyone. it's time for you to sound off. where can we do tweets next. just look up your prescrcriptin on the singlecare app and show the cououpon to your pharmacist. go to singlecarere.com or download the app today. ♪ my mental health was much better. my mind was in a good place. but my body was telling a different story. i feltll people saw were my uncontrolled movements. some mental health meds can cause tardive dyskinesia, or td, and it's unlikely to improve without treatment.

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about a slave a crystal flute until black women played. fair, nobody even knew james madison had a class flute. >> crystal at that. >> no comments move on. this one was alison looks like someone is responding to your take and mcconnell's response or lack thereof. it says i like exactly what allison said as a result to criticizing. i don't think it's right to criticize instead of saying nothing. >> john did you just rita? >> that's exactly. my wife as a lot of experience with people criticizing your spice and that's fair. >> okay, so from the box office to the ballot box here's someone criticizing my take i feel on the rock. >> you all can't be serious about the rock going for the high just office, shake my head. why would you all want someone who himself said quote i know nothing about politics to waste our time and run then to lose in 24 due to this kind of nonsense?

>> because he's strong and big, that's why. >> i would like to see him on the debate stage and see how he reacts in that environment of going toe to toe with other people. listen, actors is a big element of acting and that debate stage. >> great point, politics is performance. >> strong is one thing, i want a candidate in all facets who's going to get the job done. >> from one superhero to another a viewer asks, does john berman -- what is the answer? >> i don't know. there is a turn around and new day, i have to wake up at three. >> you're getting delirious. >> and laughing at the. notion >> we love the eu come on for us. we really appreciate it. >> this is better than sleep. >> it's like a dream. >> you're lying to. us >> actually delirious right. now i think he might.

the watch the movies tonight, the manchurian candidate is one of them. >> i saw that, you love your special answer. i like the movie. >> you know we can find us. @alisyncamerota and @thelauracoates i. >> thanks for watching everybody. lauren i'll be with you. and thanks for being great to talk with you. john go get some sleep. >> thanks everyone.

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