somebody bands. unexpectedly. just a little change. , small to say the least. ♪ ♪ ♪ but a little scared ♪ ♪ ♪ neither one prepared. beauty and the beast. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> angela lansbury also starred in a number of hit broadway musicals, winning 5:20 awards, beginning with maine in 1966, blight spirit in 2009, finally. and lansbury was 96 years old. she died just five days before her 97th birthday. the news continues. want to head it. over give a warm welcome to jake tapper and his debut program. welcome to cnn tonight, i'm jake tapper. is vladimir putin a rational

actor? as vladimir putin lost his mind? that is really the subtext of all of the conversations about whether the russian president is actually willing to drive humanity to the brink of a nuclear disaster. i bet it's keeping president biden up at night, how about you? how are you sleeping ever since president biden used the word armageddon. just a moment last president biden outright how close he thinks we really are to the brink. what options are on the table? as biden noted, putin's choice isn't options are narrowing. >> we will defend our land by all means. we will secure the security of our people. are english putin dictionary right here, when he says we will defend our land what he means our land is the 18% of ukraine and he just declared part of russia. and by our people he means the ukrainians who have taken up arms to stop them. and races by

all means, that is rhetoric that has gone nuclear. >> the u.s. is only country in the world have used nuclear weapons on two occasions. resulted in the destruction of hiroshima. i reminds me that they have created a precedent. so how serious is putin but using a nuclear weapon? president biden sure seems to be taking it seriously. putin's not joking when he's talking about tactical nuclear weapons, biological or chemical weapons. his military significantly underperforming. i don't think there's any such thing to detect go up and not end up with armageddon unquote. putin talking about nukes sounds scary to us, imagine how it sounds to the ukrainians. his presence in ski. >> the society

is very dangerous. i think it's a just to speak about it. >> putin is speaking about, it's even more troubling given three aspects of our putin currently finds himself. number one, his back against the wall. look at the territory that the ukrainian military has gained in the past couple of weeks. these ukrainian forces taking their own land back. they're pushing back on putin's forces. and as it loses territory he's gaining swagger. one source saying the defeat is not an option for putin. so, what are the worst-case scenarios here? nightmare scenario one son experts to get to be a russian military strike on one of the largest nuclear power plants in the world, and ukraine. ukraine officials think that it resulted in a disaster ten times worse than chernobyl in 1986. but mercenary o2, an attack by russia inside a nato country. well it might sound farfetched, that is what's worrying rubio in florida. he probably knows a little bit

about this. highest ranking republican in the senate. >> i think what i worry about the most is a russian attack inside nato territory. aiming at the airport and pull under some of the distribution point. there would be an attack on one. so, certainly nato's gonna have to respond to it. >> nightmare scenario three, and nuclear bomb dropped by russia and it is people of ukraine. a situation that they've petraeus says it would require the u.s. response. >> just give you a hypothetical, we would respond by leading a collective nato effort to take it all the conventional forces that we can see and identify on the battlefield in ukraine and also crimea and every ship in the black sea. >> that sounds awful lot like world war iii. so, the u.s. and russia with a bloodthirsty dictator trying to call his bluff. president biden said since the first time since the cuban missile crisis, we have the threat of a nuclear

weapon. if in fact things continue down the path that they are going. so, let's go back to that moment. let's go back to another democratic president when he made this announcement not so on similar 60 years ago this month. >> 1962 president john f. kennedy broadcast a special message from his office in the white house. >> nuclear weapons are so destructive, ballistic missiles are so square then a substantially increase in possibility of their use rightly said and change their department may well be regarded as a definite threat to peace.

>> a similar concern expressed by john f. kennedy decades ago and said the same white house. another american president saying the nuclear threat from russia and the soviet union is very real. this is a soviets planned move missiles to cuba. in those 13 days in the brink of mutually assured destruction, that was the culmination of a nuclear age no one wanted to go back to. fallout shelters, air raid drills. we were reassuring kids that ducking under their desk would save them from the nuclear holocaust. >> that's a great plan. slight monk is the stick of dynamite. so, how do we find ourselves back here

again 16 years later. well you can blame mr. april and mr. july. and of course mr. september. >> larry putin is a man who releases an annual calendar featuring himself every month. his 70. so might be easy to take putin as a joke and some world leaders do on occasion. a couple even got caught on camera. the g7 mocking there shirtless picks. justin trudeau and boris johnson is suggesting that they too need to go shirtless to prove that they are tougher than putin. unamused, putin responded saying i don't know if they want to strip down to the waist or below the waist. i think it would've been a disgusting site either way. okay, that little snippet raises an important question. our second point about where putin finds itself. has the west failed to take putin

seriously enough? the evidence suggests that we have. one american president after the other has tried to appease him to avoid this very moment in which we find ourselves today. passing the umbrella like a relay baton. but as bill clinton wrapped up their stepping into office, thousands of civilians were killed. clinton's attitude was this -- >> i think the united states can do business with this. what i've seen of them so far indicates to me that he is capable of being a strong, effective and capable leader. >> president after president has hope for the best and

watched the worst happen. >> i looked him in the eye, that would be straightforward and trustworthy. we have a very good dialogue i was able to get a sense of his soul. a man committed to his country, the best of his country. >> but got a sense of putin, soul not that he was going to seize part of neighboring georgia. president obama conveyed he also wanted to work with the guy. >> my next election will have more flexibility. >> lost in the transmission or supposes that putin had his eye on crimea, which he invaded and seized shortly thereafter also sending in fighters to the eastern ukraine, the party declared russia. the last president he even sided with putin over u.s. intelligence findings. russia

has intervened in this election. >> president putin said it's not, russia i will say this. i don't see any reason why it would be. trump is siding openly with putin, suggesting that nato in the united states attacking ukraine and killing civilians. if you look at it our country and our leadership talented putin. i would listen and i would say they're almost forcing him to go on with what they're saying because the rhetoric was so dumb. >> trump is even lobbying putin's call for during the soviet union. >> they wanted to rebuild the soviet union, you could see was a country where there's a lot of love. >> i

guess if you love languages gulags. putin has been a paranoid, brutal dictator they constantly fandom selves in jail i want to jump out the nearest window. ordering assassinations in western countries and he holds them truly deranged views of the west. putin and bush meet and discuss a tariff for. putin asserted that they deliberately sent this to russia they have chickens for american chickens for russia. bush was astonished he said vladimir wrong. putin refused to believe him hate people to learn that nonsense of them having special chicken plants so they could send russia drumsticks. what do you think they're telling them about the war in ukraine? >> that brings me to my third and final point i want to make

about where putin finds himself today. what would happen if you took a dictator and then injected in him an extra dose of crazy. i asked because french president emmanuel macron one of the leaders that have been directly talking with him said he doesn't think putin is acting rational. >> now it's clear for everybody that's a leader who decided to go to war's president putin. i have no rational explanation. post covid-19 consequence. isolation >> as he's been so isolated? >> thank so those of pent -- such as former president -- he was always calculating in cold but this is different, he seems erratic. >> james clapper -- >>

i think he's unhinged i worry about his balance right now. >> former secretary of defense, bob gates. >> he has gone off the rails this behavior is different and it's very worrisome. a brutal dictator currently losing both his war and his touch with reality so what does president biden do? is our red line that putin can't cross? what happens if he does cross it? how realistic is it to you think that putin was you this? >> max schools of interview with president joe biden's next.

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>> russian military raining fear and devastation on distant battlefield, neighborhoods across ukraine. the ferocity of civilian targets because -- it could get worse much worse. president biden met today in that 93 minute ensuring them amid serious fears that they began a conversation with the president of united states. >> thank you so much for doing this, or appreciate it. >> for people don't know general work through this is where situation

room was for fdr. and now we are appearing with another high stakes foreign europe, you recently said that this is the first time that there is a legitimate possibility of someone using a nuclear weapon which could lead armageddon, and the word you used. how realistic is it that putin would use this weapon? >> i don't think he will but it's irresponsible from the talk about it. the idea of a world leader says that he may use a tactical nuclear weapon in ukraine. the whole point i was making is that it could lead to just a horrible outcome. not because anybody intends to turn it into a world war or anything, but once you use a nuclear weapon. the mistakes they can be made, the miscalculations who knows what would happen. >> what is the red line and what would happen if you use

tactical weapons. if there is anything along these lines. >> there's been discussions but it would be irresponsible the top what we would or wouldn't do. >> french president macron told me that he doesn't think that putin is acting rationally. thanks a lot of it is how isolated putin's for the pandemic james clapper has used words like erratic and unhinged to describe his behavior today. do you think putin's a rational actor? >> i think is a rational actor whose miscalculated significantly. i may recall i pointed out that they were going to invade. no one believe that he was going to invade ukraine. if you listen to the speech that he made that decision was being made he talked about the whole idea of

that he needed to be the leader of russia. the united all. i just think it's a rational. >> if he's not rational. >> i think the speech objectives were not rational. >> i think he thought it was gonna be welcome with open arms, that he

was gonna be welcomed and i think he just totally miscalculated. >> we talked about this a few days ago, the search for an off ramp for him. his back is against the wall, there's questions about how rational he is. he was a brutal dictator. what is the off ramp? is there unacceptable way that he can leave without seizing territory in a way that wouldn't be acceptable to ukraine? i don't know it's an as mine but clearly he can leave and coldest position together in russia. the idea that he has convinced the russian people that this is something that he thought made sense and now he has to bring russia home. >> would you be willing to meet with him at the g20? >> i've known tension is meeting but if you came to me at the g20 said he wanted to talk about the release i would meet with him. it would depend but i can't imagine. look we have taken a position and just a g7 meeting this morning. nothing about ukraine without ukraine. i'm not prepared to negotiate with russia about them staying in ukraine, keeping any part of ukraine or et cetera. and depend on what he wants to talk. about what

exactly brutally he. has acted brutally. i think he's committed war crimes. silence rationality. >> when people hear the word armageddon they get scared they get scared. do you think in any way discussing this type of thing publicly, openly might have the opposite effect of what you want? and make more of our wobbly or european allies to be more scared of confronting putin? >> now i think what i'm talking about unpacking to putin. he cannot continue with impunity to talk about the use of a

tactical nuclear weapon as if that's a rational thing to do. mistakes get made, miscalculations can occur nobody can be sure what would happen. it could end in armageddon >> they are still afraid of that that it could? >> any rational person saying the use of nuclear weapon, killing thousands of people doesn't that prospect of leaving the something way out of control. >> democratic allies think the u.s. not played when you got went to saudi arabia enforcement but

the crown prince. saudi-backed opec now. it's flashing oil production and partnership with russia the chairman of the senate just called for freeze on cooperation including most arm sales to number two democrat in the senate said they sided with russia against united states. to think it's time for the u. s. to rethink its relationship with saudi arabia? >> yes let's get straight why i went. i didn't go but oil i went to make sure you weren't gonna walk away from the middle east. and by the way, today just got off the telephone with president of -- the prime minister of israel. we were kind of a deal, declared war with one another. we worked a bonded relationship in the eastern mediterranean for oil. they're going to make an agreement that is historic. they also got flights for israeli planes over saudi arabia. we got movement in terms of how we would deal in the middle east with aggression

from iran. but there were eight other parties there. it wasn't about oil. >> we should and i am in the process. there will be consequences for what they've done with russia. menendez has suspended all arms sales, is that something you'd consider? >> there will be there will be consequences. >> midterm elections are four weeks from today. the economy remains top of mind. they said the u.s. is likely to enter a recession in the next nine months. thank america says they could be -- that's prices on

the rise again, should the american people prepare for a recession? >> they say this every six months. it hadn't happened yet. there is no guarantee. i don't think there's gonna be a recession, if it is it'll be a slight recession. look, think about what's happened. we're in a better position than any other major country in the world economically and politically. we still got real problems. what we've got done. we've passed so much legislation that makes a point of the american rescue plan, the inflation act. so much has been accomplished at the idea that a recession is just not there. they've been

predicting this on and off. >> the site recession is possible? >> it's possible, i don't anticipate it. we talk about the impact on families. families are -- they reason to be concerned about a whole range of issues but look what we've done. the inflation reduction act. i normalize quoted madad, but my dad used to say is there any breathing room for middle class family. all the bills are paid has more than one way to bring down the monthly cost for people who are in fact struggling. gotta make sure the ends meet they've got enough money. look, we reduced drug prices. for the first time we've been trying for years to try to get medicare to be able

to negotiate drug prices. we pay the highest drug price of any nation in the world. we're gonna be in a situation where no seniors can have to pay more than $2,000 a year. that's no matter how much they cost. without affectionately is gonna pay more than $35 a month for insulin. this summer to be done, look i said we're gonna deal with energy. a whole notion of global warming. this as the same -- that's gonna burn billions, trillions of dollars off the sidelines of investments. look at the investment that's going on in america right now. >> i think democrats are some in the run on? i >> know we do. here's the contrast, what's the republican platform to run? what are they running on? one of the four. another leader comes on and says it should be up for grabs. medicare, medicaid. i mean

these are negotiable the first thing they said is they're gonna get rid of the inflation reduction act. so, what does that do? they're gonna raise drug prices, raise medical price again. they're gonna be sure that we no longer have the availability to weatherize your home? come on, i don't therefore. >> our reporter in the washington post suggest the prosecutors think they could have enough to charge her son hunter for tax crammed false statement about a gun purchase. personally and politically how do you react to that. >> first of all, i'm proud of my son this is a grown man i got hope that drugs, he's overcome that he's established in new life. i'm confident that what he says

and does is consistent with what happens. he wrote a book about his problems. i'm proud of them, saying about a gun i didn't know about it. turns out he had an application to purchase a gun, you get asked a question if you're on drugs or use drugs he said no. he wrote about saying no one's book. so, at big confidence in my son. i love him, he's on the straight

now. he has been for a couple years now. i'm just so proud of them. >> we are about to turn 80 next, month have a birthday next time. whenever anyone raises concerns about your age. oldest president in the history of united states, you always say watch me voters have been marching you. democratic voters prove the job you do. democratic voters overwhelmingly like. you but one poll shows that almost two third of democratic voters want a new nominee in 2024. and a top reason they gave was your age. so, what's your message to democrats who like, you like what you've done, but are concerned about your age and the demands of the job? >> while, they're concerned about whether or not i can get anything done. while, look what i've gotten done. namely a president in recent history who has gotten as much done as i have in the first two years. not a joke. you may not like what i've got down. that's majority of the american people do like what i've got done. and so, i just -- it's a matter of can you do the job. and i believe i can do the job. i've been able to do the job. i've got more done, i've got

the inflation reduction -- i've got all these pieces of legislation passed. and i ran on that. i said this is what i was going to do. and i'm still getting it done. in fact, you know, dealing with, you know, making sure veterans get compensated for -- >> burn pits. >> burn pits, yeah. making sure we have finally have action on gun. and by the way, assault weapons ban, before it's over, i'm going to get that again, not a joke. and watch. so, i just think there is, you know, it's a matter of is anybody done more in the first two years of they administration, for a guy, they've been saying this about my age since i began to run. >> yes. >> so, why you come work out with me in the? morning [laughs] >> anytime, anytime. the big question is when you're going to make an official announcement about whether or not you will run for reelection in 2024? do you make a decision before

the end of the year? >> i'm not gonna make it about my decision. i'm gonna make it about the -- . after that's done in november, and i'll be on the processing. side >> is on the calculations that you think you are the only one who can beat donald trump? >> i believe i can beat all trump again. >> all right, mister president, thank you so much for your time today. we really appreciate. it >> thank. you >> and i know you are rooting for the phillies. >> that is a fact. [laughs] if i were not, i'll be sleeping alone. i'm married to a philly girl. >> thank you, sir. >> we have another special one-on-one. with you my interview with dwyane, the rock, johnson ahead. did the superstar enjoy playing a superhero in his big return to the big screen? what about his possible presidential ambitions? we sat down to chat. it's good to see you. is it okay if i call you dwayne? i'm told you prefer dwayne or t.j.. >> whatever you comes out. i told producer daddy works to. >> that he very, very weird. that be very strange. we'll be right back.

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do you know who black adam is? because if you do not, you will. in just a few days time, none other than dwayne the rock johnson is going to bring this dc comics anti-hero to life on the big screen. the movie is from warner brothers, which full disclosure, is owned by cnn's parent

company, warner brothers discovery. and the film touches on the origins of the dc comics character, and its transformation from a slave in the fictitious kingdom of -- into an all powerful meta human, who has fewer of his compunction's about killing people men say, wonder woman. here's a sneak peek. >> i told you stop killing people. >> they look alive to me. >> it's because i say. >> because i wait till you were there, got the information i needed, and one died. i did it your way. >> that's not the point. >> i know it got lost in all the confusion. but we are still some issues to settle here. there are only heroes, and there are villains. >> you think yourself a hero? but you would let these criminals go free. >> heroes do not kill people. [noise] >> while, i do. >> and joining us now, dwayne

the rock johnson. dwayne, thank you so much for joining us. really exciting to have you. i'm a big fan of -- . i have to say, this cannot be the first time that you are ever asked to join a superhero universe. what appeal to you about the black adam character? his story is so different from the traditional superhero stories that i have seen. >> sure, well, i have been lucky and fortunate enough to be asked to play a few superheroes in the past. those projects i passed on, and they went on to other actors, who i think play them brilliantly. what was also very intriguing to me about black adam was that there was a challenge in that a lot of the world did not know who black adam was. black adam is not a sequel. it was not an already existing ip that people were familiar with. so, when you look at the d.c. bible, the pantheon of these d.c. superheroes, black adam was sitting right there.

and i always felt, years ago, so, jake, that's a big attend your passion project that i've been pushing and fighting for this thing. and when you look at black adam as a character, all of these characteristics, back story starts off as a slave, his family's enslaved, 5000 years ago. his family is wiped away in the mythology. and he is born from rage. and he is blessed with these powers, the superpowers that rival superman. that in itself, i mean, i raise my hand. i said i'm in. so, it was creating an opportunity to deliver a character that had never been seen before. a pretty cool character, you know. >> that could be interpreted as a superhero, or a super villain, or even an anti hero, or protector. and also, continue to build out the dc universe by introducing the justice society of america. and i know you know this, because we are talking about

our comics and superhero movies, but a lot of the world they don't know that the gsa, which we introduce in our movie, predated the justice league. so, the jsa they were after the first superhero group ever. >> there's a very interesting theme in this film, about how the more traditional american, quote unquote, american superheroes, the justice society, have not helped people in other countries, other nationalities, other races, such as this fictitious country of -- . there's also this theme about how westerners have no right to impose their views or decision on -- . there is not an anti-imperialism anti colonialism theme that i've never before seen in a superhero movie. >> well thank you for pointing that out. thematically, i feel like we tried to add as many layers as possible without the film being convoluted. we wanted to make sure that we wear taking care of all of our audiences, the action audience, the superhero genre audience,

but also if you were to go a little bit deeper, a little bit more philosophically deeper, and possibly challenge that's there for you to within black adam. and i would like to think that the movie we made with black adam, regardless of what race or color or culture that you are from around the world, there are relabel qualities to the character of black adam. and the philosophy that he and many on that side the world have. there is a great moment in our movie, which i really like, because i like to start a little bit of trouble, but i am sure you found this just a great moment is when the justice society finally comes to this place called kahndaq, it's to them while, superman does not come to kahndaq, that man is ignored kahndaq. where have you guys been all this time? and of all the sudden you show up. we are good, we have one

protector and one champion, and his name is black adam. it's a cool scene. i might have given a little bit of a movie away, but that's all right. >> no, no, i don't think. so but you're right, superman is resting cats from trees in metropolis. but meanwhile, there's an entire nation that's being enslaved. i mean, it's -- i never thought about it before. it's really interesting. and also not to give anything away, but there are some scenes receive gi was used to make you look less muscular, which i think is also kind of knew for the dc universe. >> well, they had to actually use all the cgi, the v fx talents to make i had not look as large on screen. i've got a huge melon, especially on screen. i will tell you this, i think your audience will appreciate this story. you know, in superhero movies, as we know the costumes are padded with muscle padding. so when our costume airs came to my house and they gave me

the very first iteration of the black adam costume with muscle padding. so, jake you and your viewers can imagine what my body with muscle padding look like. i mean, it was the most ridiculous thing. like i belonged on a saturday night live skit. but i finally had them removed the muscle padding. and i put in some work. and so, the final iteration of the costume is what you see in the movie. no muscle patting. just a lot of hard work and some tequila. >> [laughs] there were a number of characters from the larger d.c. universe that were in this film. the amelia hard-core character from peacemaker tv show, when your fellow former professional wrestler john cena. there's amanda waller, played by viola davis, from the suicide squad films. so, he really fits in, black, adam into the d.c. universe. should we expect more black adam movies, and even black adam cameos? >> i think so, jake.

that's the intention and the whole goal here, and the strategy of our seven bucks production with warner brothers in d.c. as well. to me, all the characters of the -- i'm sorry, all the characters of the dc universe should cross paths. and i try my best to think ten steps ahead on what fans might like. so, we're in the process now of creatively figuring out what the next best step is, should be we be lucky enough to make a sequel. and infighting some other d.c. characters in our movie. but also, as you know, and a lot of people out there know, when you look at the d.c. bible, man, there are so many cool characters that have yet to be introduced to the world. so, i look for that to. >> so, what about all the talk, and even some polling about the rock making a run for the white house?

i will ask when we come back after this quick break. but

over the past few years, dwayne johnson fans have called on the

professional wrestler turned movie star to run for president of the united states. so, what does he have to say about that? here's the rest my conversation with the rock. >> i have to talk about the love you've been getting on your black adam tour. we're going to share some video that you shared on instagram of a man crying after you signed his wwe belt. at one point during the tour, someone handed you their baby. you are very popular. last year, there were a lot of articles about you maybe running for president. but i understand you aren ruling that out. >> i just want to acknowledge the tour. we kicked off the tour in mexico. and that trip was incredible. there was so much love, very powerful. and quite emotional. you saw the gentlemen crying. there were a lot of tears. someone handed me an infant, which i thought was beautiful moment, which you've got to be very careful. so, i'm glad that went over okay. >> [laughs] >> but in terms of the

presidency, i, i gotta tell you this, jake. it all is a, i think, a convergence of things that are surreal and inspiring. and what i mean by that is as we get into the midterms, and even a couple years ago, this idea and the question continues to pop up on whether or not i would run for president, would i seriously consider it? and i have seriously considered it, you have to. when you start looking at some of these polls, and these numbers creep up into the 46%, 50% of the country would vote for me should i run. and i have been really moved by that. truly, it has sat me down. going into the midterms, i have heard now from both sides of the aisle the most influential people in politics asking if i would run, hoping that i would run. and again, it's so moving, man, and surreal. i do not know anything about politics.

i will say that i will absolutely -- i'm a patriot, and i love our country. and i love everybody in it, regardless of color or culture. do not care what your bank account says, what kind of car you drive. but the most important job that i have is daddy. and my two whys, why i have to take that off the table of running for president. one is six, and one is four. and i've worked really hard over the years, the past decade, to be honest with you, to try and create a life for my family and my little girls where we have stability. and those drop offs in the morning that i love to do at school, and those pickups, and nighttime routines, just being able to create that stability for them.

because i really never had that growing up as a kid. and i do know what it is like. i have said this before. i know what it is like. and when i was a professional wrestler, i was wrestling on average 250 days out of the year, a different city every night. it is what i did. i loved what i did. but it's what i did to provide for my family. so, jake, i also know what it is like to not be there at a critical time in my little girl 's life. and that was my first daughter. so i know the pains of that, of working hard because you want to protect your family. but still not being able to be there. so, the reason why i bring that up is because i've experienced that before in the past. i do not want to experience that now when my daughters are this little. i want them to have their daddy in their lives. so, it's a very long answer to say i am just really grounded and humbled by the interest on both sides. but the number one job and my

number one title that i love right now is daddy. >> i totally respect it. it's beautiful. but kids do age. that is not closing the door for, you know, in 2040. they'll be -- even before then, 2036, they will be in college. what about then? you are not closing the door forever, is what i'm asking. >> no, not at all, i would not do that. like, thank you for asking that, for clarifying that. right now, my daughters, it's important that i am a home. and that stability is important, for me to be there. and that is the most important thing to me. and by the way, that is a tough thing, i think, to reconcile. and i am blown away by that. the fact that i'm even having this conversation with you, the fact that i have been approached by the most influential in the world of politics, which i think you

know very well, probably better than i do. it was really moving. but right now, the most important job that i have is to be their father, and to be there. >> well, god bless. the movie is very enjoyable, and pretty unique for a superhero movie. it's dwayne the rock johnson. the film is black adam. thanks so much, it's great to have you on. >> thank you, man, i really appreciate it. we'll do it again down the road. >> all right, sounds good. and dwayne the rock johnson's new film black adam premiers in theaters a week from friday. that's on friday october 21st. we'll be right back.

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