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i pay. jake, wait a launch with two fabulous sit-down interview. so those were super compelling. and, thank you for giving us a lot of material for tonight. but with president biden, what was your biggest take away from that? >> i thought it was interesting how he would not call putin irrational, but said his goals in his speech were irrational. and you saw there, i guess i misheard or misunderstood, or i assumed he was calling putin irrational after he said putin 's speech was not. and he jumped in and corrected. no, i did not say. that i said his speech was. and i thought that was interesting. i was trying to parse it a little bit. and i'm not sure what the significance is. and he also said there's gonna be consequences for the saudis, i wonder what they will be. >> i thought we'd parse it out. it is a point was essentially look, don't mistake him for a fool. he's doing this intentionally, and the sanctions that happened will have to come from somebody who believes is acting rationally, even though it's a logical to many, wrong, amoral,

all those things. i do have an issue with your interviews tonight, jake, is the reason why you got the rock as opposed to-splendiferous and fantastic? >> the rock cannot be happy about that. >> i wonder how that would work, because, alison did you -- >> just putting that out there. >> i am assuming, i am assuming it is because he is going to run for president, and wanted a d. c.-based anchor to establish a relationship with. >> oh, that's true. >> does that make sense? >> that's the only thing that makes sense, i think. >> that was a good try. >> certainly not for brains or looks, i mean. so the only thing i could think of is location. >> perfect, that's the first rule of real estate, and apparently journalism. location, location, location. >> jake, thank you so much. we can't wait to play all of your stuff, we will see you tomorrow night. >> all right, cool, i will be watching. >> i am really grateful that jake gave us all this material, because that was very interesting. he had a lot of interesting points that you talk to president biden about, including the 60,000-dollar question, is president biden going to run again? >> yeah. >> because he has given

different answers at different times, as you should know. >> it's not just the million dollar question at this point, because of course it's a domino effect, right? if he announces, will someone like trump announce? while desantis announce? if biden does not announce -- i mean, it's odd. here we are, less than five weeks away, less than two years into a first term president. >> yes. >> two term vice president, and we don't know if he is running again. it used to be a foregone conclusion. i feel like where we are today is a very different world. and i'm wondering if a little bit of it is age? is it frustration? is it the approval ratings? >> i'll give up. >> he addressed the age thing, and let's bring in our friends from across the political spectrum to talk about this and more. we have with us andrew yang, paul begala, and alyssa farah griffin. great to have you guys tonight, great to have you. here is president biden going to run again? should he? >> he should, and i think he will. but here is how the dominoes,

fall, slightly different order than what you are saying. if trump runs, biden will. because you saw, jake said, do you think you're the only person? he does think he's the only person. he did not say, that but he said i think i can, because he does not want to insult his vice president or 100 other governors who want to run. >> and because he did beat him once. >> he did, and i believe he thought that about 2016 when he chose not to run. so if trump runs, biden, i believe, i mean, he has not called me about it, but if trump runs, i think biden will. because he does believe he's the only one. >> and if trump does not run, biden is not running? >> i think it's much more open. >> that makes it difficult, because he's leaving democrats in this position where they are not grooming who it is going to be after him. i'd be surprised if whether it's pete buttigieg, vice president harris, they're not really putting these people in a position to be the best candidate to run against them. so kamala harris has been tasked with border security, a no win situation, i would argue she's not doing an excellent job on. mayor pete, an excellent politician, he's great when he goes on television, he can go

on fox news and communicate to republicans, but he is overseeing a massive supply chain crisis, he's not doing anything where he has foreign policy experience. and again, if you're saying this is the future leader of the democratic party, you would think the institutions would get behind him and put him in a good place to run. so, i worry that biden waffling on this will set the democrats up for a tough place going into 2024. >> doesn't it tell you everything, that people get super excited to talk about it, at the prospect of the rock, dwayne johnson running. and no shade to him, but the idea that what excites you about a candidate is usually the first thing, and then everything seems to fall into place. if i like you, if i wanted to be, everything kind of falls into place. if you start with the premise that, look, this is the lesser of two evils, again, we have been here before, time and again where the candidate who is the rnc hopeful, the dnc hopeful, and the public are like, i mean, okay. this is why you come in, so interestingly -- >> [laughs] >> andrew yang. >> it's almost like he wrote a

book about this notion. and you have a lot of experience here. that is part of why you think the two party system is problematic in and of itself. >> while, i agree with palm in terms of the dominoes that are about to fall. i think donald trump does declare, probably at the end of this year, after the midterms. and at that point, joe declaring sometime in q1 or q2 of next year comes very very likely. at that point, you have two candidates whose combined age will be 158 in 2024. and there is one poll that said 58% of americans would want -- consider an option aside from either those two people. so, if you did have a candidate like the rock, who's a capital i independent, has mass appeal, and has vitality and energy, that frankly we have been lacking from the two major parties. i think a lot of americans would be excited. >> we have seen americans like celebrities to run for president. >> [laughs]

>> or office, i believe we've seen that movie, so to speak. but you brought up his age. and i don't think our control room has this ready. but there is a soundbite from the president in jake's interview from biden, where he addresses this. jake asked him directly. there are democrats who think you are too old. and the president, i think, always hits this one out of the park. this one, he is ready for, whenever he is asked. i don't know if we have it. you guys let me know if we do. but you think he hits it out of the park though? because he keeps being asked the question. and i almost feel like the more they have to ask him, and again, there is ageism as a part of this, he is going to be, if he were to run again, you will do the math for us, at that moment in time -- >> he will be the oldest. >> he will be the oldest. but the idea here, thinking about, just last night, remember, tim ryan made the point, i don't think he should run, he said. because we need fresh voices. half the democrat party, frankly, the republican party had this conversation time and time again about fresh voices, not the institution.

that to me is the conversation. >> and i want to be careful with the ageism thing, because it's less his age as much as generational to me. i think a lot of younger voters, millennial, gen z, they want to see someone who's represented and understands their generation. joe biden has been in politics for over 40 years. he's been on many sides of different issues. and i'm all for politicians evolving over the course in office, i think someone who's more representative of, you know, where the majority of the country is, just in terms of the generation is something that is kind of both parties would like to see. >> let me just quickly tell you what he said, because we don't have it. basically, jake asked him -- people who say you're too old. >> and he says if you think i'm too old, look at what i got done. i've got more stuff done, he said, than any recent president in history. as the kids say, i've coached all my kids and youth sports, and they say john, scoreboard, joe biden, in only two years he's had the largest investment in the middle class since fdr. he's had the largest investment in infrastructure since

eisenhower. he's had letters investment in health care since obama. he's had the largest decrease in deficit since clinton. first gun bill since clinton. prescription drug costs coming down for seniors, fastest job growth in history for americans. he's been the most consequential president magical, not just the oldest, he is the oldest, but he's been so successful. . >> that's true. the scoreboard, but here's the thing, by the way, i can't think of a better youth coach. >> i'm sorry, i was a youth basketball coach. >> i can hear -- >> my son was 6'3 in the baseball team. >> when you think about it, talk about the scoreboard, why is that not translating for the approval rating? >> the tough thing is he can give a quality answer, he can point to legislative accomplishments, but the fact is the majority of voters are uncomfortable with having a commander-in-chief, a president of that age. it is unprecedented. i think the oldest president before him was 69 at election. and this time around, he'll be

82 to 86. the fact is a lot of americans are looking up and saying if i cast a vote for an 82-year-old man, i may be casting a vote for his vice president. >> they don't mind mitch mcconnell, who's a similar age. >> blows my mind. >> they like mcconnell for maybe other reasons. but i'm thinking about donald trump. he is not that far behind. >> i think most -- i think people have issues with the age thing, they think donald trump is too old, and joe biden is. i don't think we should have two octogenarians running against each other with no other options. >> i hear what you're saying. but who else, who else do you think could win the democratic? >> this is the thing. i was with, frankly, someone who is going to run against president against donald trump, the republican primary. >> who is, are you kidding? you don't know who would be? >> i think it's coming up pretty soon. >> like on cnn, breaking news, andrew yang, have you looked around? where is the news? >> so, the argument he was making was a conventional republican can defeat joe biden in the general election.

and i said, fantastic, generic republican, cannot get through your primary to beat donald trump. the fact is there maybe four generic republicans are moderate republicans run against trump in the primary, and that will get steamrolled, because he has a strangle hold on let's say 50% the primary electorate. so, when people try to cast a ballot for hey, maybe should have new blood, maybe should have younger candidates. the people who resemble that, if they decide to run in a primary, can see the writing on the wall that it is not going to go their way. and on the democratic side, i do not think they have a primary if joe decides to run for reelection. let's say that there are going to be a couple of people who would like to challenge him. i think the dnc shuts that down. >> the dnc cannot shut it down. the voters will, because he's done such a doggone good job. >> well, the dnc will try try to shut it down. >> national committee won't shut down anything. >> if they open it up, they are going to see -- >> but they can't stop -- >> they will see a number of people stepping up. and the fact is no incumbent

president who's had significant private child has won reelection. everyone knows that. so democrat will say, look, they will be leaned, on we cannot run against joe. so you might -- know who might run if they have an open process? people are already outside of the estbli. someone like nina turner, someone like marianne williamson. if you have just and nina turner against joe biden, nina turner ends up gathering a significant amount support, just ideologically. and the last thing the dnc is going to want is for joe biden to have to debate nina turner six times. i >> i think your point is how. >> oh, we will find out together. it'll be a good time. >> she was vice co-chair. she's a former state senator. >> we know are. well >> bernie won nine, count on, nine contests. joe won 44. and i think bernie, baby has more support and that nina. so, bring it on. what the heck are you worried about? you're not a democrat anymore, but i am. and as a guy who loves joe biden, that is fine. he will steamroll any potential democrat, and go on and beat trump. >> i think the deal in the

democratic primary is, and the fact is joe biden performed worse in the early stage where voters saw a lot of him. and that is just a fact. iowa, new hampshire -- >> wait a second. >> i spoke more or after joe biden half a dozen time. and the fact is, when he came off that stage, you want people were not saying? that guy has the energy, the vigor -- >> all the sudden he developed it. you're missing most important thing, andrew. the early states are full of white liberals. they do not like joe. and then we move to real democrats, african americans in the south, they loved him. and he steamrolled everybody. because in my party, the heart and soul the party where people of color, not pain in the ass white liberals on twitter. i'm sorry to use bad language. but that's the heart of my party. the republicans should start with white christian evangelicals, that's their mark. my party should start with people of color. >> let's talk to the people on twitter. >> [laughs] >> they've got a lot to talk, about and they want to weigh in. you heard jake's interview, you heard what's going on right now, do you think the rock should

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jake tapper's exclusive interview with joe biden. jake tapper brought up the present son, and legal jeopardy he could face. >> our reporting, cnn's reporting, and the washington post reporting suggests that the prosecutors think they could, they have enough to charge your son hunter for tax crimes and a false statement about a gun purchase. personally and politically, how do you react to that. >> first of, all i am proud of myself. this was a kid who got, a grown man, and he got hooked on, like many families have had happen,

hooked on drugs. he has overcome that. he's established a new life. he is confident -- i'm confident that what he says and does are consistent what what he's -- >> what i find so powerful about that is there is a clip that played on fox news with sean hannity, it was last night. and we have not independently confirmed or corroborated that this voicemail was played through sean hannity was indeed the voice of president biden. we talk to the white house, the biden family, hunter biden's family as well, himself. >> it sounds like him. >> it sounds like him. i want you to hear this, because it's the way in which it was introduced. and i think what the intention was was to actually raise the issue. listen to this. >> we are learning even more about joe and hunter's interactions, including this voice mail obtained by the daily mail from october 2018, where joe biden is allegedly begging hunter to get help for his substance abuse.

take a listen. >> just calling to say i love you, i love you more than a whole world. >> you gotta get some help. i don't know what to do. you don't even. >> so it's actually sad. >> it is actually sad, because then references the idea of applying for a gun, other things in conjunction with it. look at your faces, right? you are all kind of grimacing a little bit. i can feel it. there was an ick factor there, to say the least, because of how impactful this is across the nation. what do you think was the talking point that said let's bring that up? >> i remember, if i could jump in on this, telling donald trump in 2020 during the election you can go after hunter biden for legitimate allegations of wrongdoing. that is fair game. do not attack his addiction, or the way that his father has supported him throughout it. almost every american family has been touched by addiction. we have an opioid epidemic, any number of issues, my family has

dealt with it. that she was a loving father, that she was a loving father sparring his son through the throes of addiction. is cheap, it is shallow, there is no benefit even sharing that. i do not know what fox is thinking in doing so. and it's just, honestly, a gutter kind of move. >> there is backlash on social media after hannity played that. they said i don't think fox news knows the damage they just did to the republican party, mocking a loving father trying to reach his son, struggling with addiction, his only son that has left. it is difficult to hear. that to alyssa's point, it is a universal, virtually a universal expanse at this point, in terms of knowing somebody or loving something with a drug addiction. and hearing what sounds like the presidents desperation. >> yeah. >> and people should know this, addiction is a disease, it is not a character flaw. >> yeah. >> cruelty is a character flaw. and i believe mr. hannity is showing cruelty there, and how he shapes himself, for dragging a hurt family into. this alyssa, perfectly fine to

attack him if he did something wrong, that's fine. what a contrast, though, to at least reported conversations in books, or -- a former trump aide wrote in his book that donald trump called his son a -- , different word, but we all remain read these years ago he went on the view with his daughter. if she wasn't my daughter, i would be dating her. this is how he talks about his children. what a contrast for joe biden. no one's running for father of the year. but if you want to talk about parenting, oh, my god, any kid in america would be honored to have joe biden as their dad. >> you asked what would spur them playing that clip, it is terrible judgment and lack of a moral compass. and to the extent that was supposed to be a political attack, it actually humanize the president, made him seem like a caring parent that millions of families, unfortunate around the country, can relate to. so, if it was a political attack, it backfired tremendously. >> by the way, it is not as if

president biden, who as candidate joe biden, was the foil to donald trump, who was then president, as the consoler-in-chief, right? the idea that nearly most the speeches that biden will give when he's called to have that empathetic bone showed, is the idea of the missing person at the table, the empty chair at the table. so, it's not as if president biden needs help with people believing that he has compassion, or in that instance. so, i just wondered about that. and again, opioid, last i checked, they did not impact blue states and red states. it is problematic universally. and again, one more, thing, you know, president biden, then senator biden, had to combat the omnibus drug bill. and at the time, he did not view drug use as anything but criminal. and this buttresses that argument. anyway, just food for thought. look, he defended the capitol on january 6th, everyone. but former officer michael

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all right,, so we have been talking a lot, i mean, a lot about the -- >> there's a lot of materials. >> there's a lot of material, alisyn, and probably more to come. and the focus for far too many seems to be, while, power, never principle. which has remained a problem in politics. so joining us now, someone who is experienced this all firsthand. former d. c. police officer michael fanone, as you know, defended our capitol on january 6th. he's got a brand-new book out today titled hold the line, the

insurrection and one in cop's battle for america's soul. you know, this book is incredible, the culmination, think about all the conversations we've been having over time, we heard you talk about, to see it all on paper, to see it when -- it's astonishing. you felt compelled to write, it tell me why. >> i'll tell you, the main reason was i got tired of trying to get out, you know, to have substantive conversations about things like january 6th and my experiences. and also policing and police reform. and you know, in 60 or 90 second sound bites. which i mean, unfortunately, is kind of how things work in the cable news arena. >> we noticed, the soundbite world. >> so, i was looking for a longer form, like, a different platform to kind of compile all of those thoughts and get it

out there. >> so, you say some things in here, even though we have been talking to you for a year, or thereabouts, that i have not heard before. so, let me read an excerpt from the book. >> one of the things you bring up is how basically after you started telling the truth about what happened, your colleagues, some of your colleagues turned their backs on you. and you say it's not lost on me, but most the venom came from white cops. black cops, for the most part, where supportive. from them, i got handshakes and hugs. most white cops avoided eye contact. a few literally turned their backs. what is that about? >> i mean, that was just an observation that i made, again, you can draw your own conclusions. >> but i cannot. what is that? meaning that the white cops were supportive of what happened on january 6th? >> to be completely honest with you, i do not know. i know that obviously there are a lot more white cops that were, like, hard-line trump supporters, not just people that voted for donald trump.

much like i did, because we saw the opposition to a law enforcement from the democratic party, in the post ferguson area. and so, you know, for me, 2016, i was a single issue voter. and my issue was law enforcement. i saw the rhetoric that was being used by, not all democrats, but by some democrats. and i saw a direct correlation, you know, much like rhetoric that's used by republicans today, and the violence that's ensued. i saw violence being committed against police officers. we saw a surge in police assassinations in the immediate aftermath of ferguson. you know, we had assassinations -- >> even a killing of mike brown, that's a reference, the riots that ensued after that. >> correct, yes, ma'am. so, we had officers that were assassinated dallas texas. officers that were assassinated louisiana. assassination attempts

throughout the country. and then here in new york city, i, mean i went to the funerals of those officers. and the effects that that had on police officers was chilling. i mean, you know, it was an environment were you felt concerned about putting on the uniform and going out into the public. >> now, your book points out, and all of the jumping off points comes around january 6th. and you mention that the former comments that needs to be attributed to democrats, now republicans are saying it. what is it like knowing that you were at the capitol, these are lawmakers, that some of the comments, the frustrations, your honesty about just telling what you saw that day created backlash that made people want to spread this defund the police conversation, to silence officers, disrespect, harm them. what is that like for you, having that? >> i mean, it's outrageous. but i've come, unfortunately, to expect that from, you know, our political leaders. specifically, now, obviously we're talking about republicans. but people like kevin mccarthy,

who i think, viewed me as an inconvenience. you know, it did not fit the traditional republican narrative of republicans were for law in order, republicans backed the blue, they backed police officers. the republican party, as an institution, does not care about individual police officers. you know, the republican party, i think like most politicians, cares about public safety because public safety is an issue that people vote about. they do not vote about individual officers. and so, you know, the metropolitan police department, the officers that responded to the capitol that they, the u.s. capitol police, we are an inconvenience. we did not fit the narrative, like i said, and so, you know, we were set aside. and then in a lot of situations, we were attacked by, you know, the alt-right media. and even some of the, you know, what you would describe as mainstream conservative media, like fox news. i mean, i was parodied for my, you know, testimony before congress. and they talked about other

officers, and our response that day having been a failure. >> is it that you didn't stick to the narrative, or that you did not stick to the talking point? you do not fit, it or you don't stick to it? because it seem like, and that's a lot of promises were having with people over time, and hearing, is about the way that there has been our reaction, not just with sean forsman, but for those who are members of congress, those who are running for office, who want to say and speak the truth about what happened on january 6th. you are not praise for that, you are punished. >> no, absolutely, because right now, the republican party is held hostage by donald trump. and donald trump supports those who went to the capitol that day to participate in an insurrection. and so, republican lawmakers have to walk that fine line of not angry donald trump. and also not being seen as anti law enforcement. so, what they've done, for the

most part is just ignore us. choose not to address the issue at all. which is cowardly. and then you've had a few of what i call the tinfoil hats squad, the marjorie taylor greene's, the poll goes ours, the andrew clyde's, people who have made some of the most outrageous statements about that day, saying it was a peaceful protest, that these people were patriots. these were not patriots in a sense of the word. not even the most traditional sense. most of these guys, when you look into their backgrounds, they were criminals. they were people who had prior arrest for drug trafficking. there are people who had prior arrest for spousal abuse. these are not people that you typically see held high by the republican party as american patriots. they were misfits, they were more offense, and they were malcontents. but those are the people that flock to donald trump, and his, you know, bombastic approach to politics. and they're the people that

were easily manipulated and turned against on true patriots that were the police officers that were there that day, and the members of congress that were doing their job. >> such a great point, michael. just because you carry a flag, does not make you a patriot. it's always fastening to talk to you, and your book is really fascinating as well. and all the things that people have never heard about, that are going on with you behind the scenes. it's called hold a line. thanks for talking to us about it. great to have you here tonight. >> thank you guys. >> we have so much more to talk about. so, you heard jake's interview where the rock said that he has seriously considered running for president. he will tell us when. but we ask you, do you think the rock should run? here is what vincent has told us already. the rock would not only be the people's champion, but also the people's president, and i am here for it. so, that's a yes i think, laura. >> i think it's an oh heck yes about that point, in time. it's not the -- first you know, i'm from minnesota. the idea of a former wrestler

-- >> you like, you understand it? >> i understand, i can relate, the jesse ventura notion of, it and the rock is certainly surpassed. that anything else they want to say would alisyn and the right now. i gotta keep clarifying, anything that's worth reading, because, you know, we do have snow next, he's leaving soon. >> he will beat you up if you don't. >> will you? >> it's possible. >> tweet us alisyn camerota and laura coates, coming up. >> [laughs] all right, she's won an emmy, she's won a grammy, and everyone has an opinion about her. what did lizzo do now? ♪ ♪ ♪

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♪ ♪ ♪ just like cher, madonna, and beyoncé, lizzo's famous enough to go by one name, just like the laura coates. >> those are two names. >> she's from minnesota too, by the way, shout out to minnesota. >> that is good, very cool. so, she's a singer and a musician, she's a proud, confident black women that seemed to push a lot of buttons for a lot of people. this this month she upset everyone from ben shapiro to kanye west, why? let's bring in our panel. --, here she joins, as she's a democrat of stratus who worked in the white house. also here is laura -- , she is one of tv ones hosts, last words. and alyssa farah griffin is

back with us. ladies, great to have you here. >> i love this panel, by the way. >> i love it too. >> this is where we need to be. >> so, laura, i find lizzo so appealing, truly. like i find her physically very pretty. i find her so captivating, like when she talks, she's very charismatic to me. so, why is she -- people off? >> you know, she seems to make people mad simply by existing. she rubs a lot of people the wrong way, because they almost expect her to be miserable and self loathing and perpetually dieting. so, the fact that she owns her status as a fat black woman, her words, not mine, she loves herself, she thinks she is beautiful and sexy, that seems to bother a lot of people. and it ties to this larger issue of fatphobia, which seems to be one of the remaining areas of society where they think they can comment on other people's lives. and it's disguised as this concern for their help. but meanwhile, lots of other

overtly unhealthy behaviors are not criticized. people smoke cigarettes all the time. >> when jillian michaels did it, remember that show the biggest loser? at one point, she made the comment, here it is, when she talked about the idea of why don't people celebrate her music? and commenting from a place of concern, remember this? >> and i love that they're putting images out there that we normally don't get to see of bodies we don't get to see being celebrated. >> but why are we celebrating her body? why does it matter? that's what i'm saying, like, why are we celebrating her music? because it is not gonna be awesome if she gets diabetes. i'm just being honest, like, i love her music, like, my kid loves her music. but there is never a moment where i'm like, i'm so glad she is overweight. like, why do we, why do i even care? why is it my job to care about her weight? >> now, she has come back though, i want to be fair, she did get a lot of flak for that comment. and she came back to address that, i think it was on

twitter. but she said this. do you see it up there? it was instagram, twitter, do i sound all now, the gram, she addressed it on social media, defending herself in some way, did not really go that well. but just the idea of think about the, why if you wanted to jump in as to the why, two men get this? i mean, do men get these comments about, and here's what she said on instagram, because i she said on instagram, the fixation and how they look, no. let's take a look at this panel and how we've all come prepared and look a certain way. i guarantee that other men on here are not nearly as concerned about having everything exactly the right place. and that's what i find so refreshing about lizzo. and i had a hard time with her at first, because i do not understand, she plays the flute and she can rap and she can do splits, and she's heavy, like, this is a lot that i'm absorbing right now. and the part that i realize are struggling most with is her radical self love. because she has shown us that you should love yourself for who you are right now, and that

was not something that i was used to hearing, or even experiencing. because i'm constantly in that phase of i can be better, i can do, more she's like, love yourself right now. erase it. and that really seems to bother people. >> i agree right now saw color heavy. >> yeah, she does. >> but also -- >> but here's the issue, one second, she got heat for the flute. she got hate for playing the flute. >> for twerking with james madison's flute. she's a fantastic -- >> for twerking. >> i don't think his flute minded this. so, she was -- >> she such a great musician, and she's a classical artist, okay. so she was here playing, and i think it's hard to see, at this moment she gets this rousing applause. and i think she -- >> it's a crystal fluid. >> and it's crystal flu, anything you're gonna see that heat works. but it's truly -- that's it, the end, the end. it was like one second thing. and you know, ben shapiro, who is a well-known conservative,

said that that was sort of degrading -- again, i'm incorrect, liz performance wearing actual clothing and library of congress was delightful. talking with pieces of american history is however degrading and vulgar. and that's the clip the media celebrate it. i don't know about the media, but why is he so bummed out? >> honestly, it's worth watching the ben shapiro thing if you have not, because it seems like a parody. like if western civilization is so fragile that lizzo to twerking with james madison's flute will send it a tailspin, we should call it a day. but that moment, i love it so much. the thing about her that's so captivating is her confidence and excitement. and you could tell she generally appreciated the history of it. none of us even knew that james madison had this flute until she went to the library of congress. by the way, a black woman with the library of congress, playing a flute of a former slave owner. >> a black librarian, the first black library of congress. >> that's a very powerful american moment. i'd argue a conservative should

be proud of. it she is the success story, and something you should be proud of. but it has a way of triggering certain people. i don't know what it is about our, i love her, i listen to lizzo all day long. >> she's on the cover of vanity fair, by the way. she's been having to respond to kanye west, who wanted to weigh in on her as well. because, you know, his opinion is so invaluable. >> he talked about the weight as. well and he said, you know, basically that why is being overweight the new goal? and she set -- and he said it's demonic. but basically he said it's demonic that people are promoting that. she said i'm minding my fat black beautiful business. >> [laughs] >> kanye west is making this point about are held, saying he's concerned about her health, when it's somebody clearly neglecting his own mental health. so why does he have a right to comment on what she is doing with her body when she is bothering nobody? >> because apparently america loves to hear from people who love to pick on black women on television. that is part of that. but what we are seeing here is that she represented is so much about what is complicated about america's moment right now, and our history, that her even celebrating and being in awe of

playing james madison's flute has people saying you know, why are we still being a white person playing as flute? let's put some context here, right. and the founding of our country, james madison said that revolutionary principles were against slavery. yet, he brought slaves to the white house. so, this is part of what she was unpacking in this moment, and should be celebrated for that experience. >> as at the moment we should plug my social media, so that people can attack another black woman? no? >> you don't have a ploy to get attacks. >> you have a lovely. comments >> i'll tell you something, here is a lovely comment from lizzo. i think we'll all agree. i'm so glad about your artistry and your talent, full stop. everyone, thank you. speaking of talent and full appreciation, i'm just kidding -- >> i was waiting for this. >> [laughs] what did mitch mcconnell say in response to trump? while, hurling some insults to his wife. i will tell you about it next. >> i'll tell you about it, did he play a flute? i don't know, we'll find out. >> actually, maybe he can.

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so, donald trump recently took to social media website to insult senator mitch mcconnell and level a racially charged dis at his wife, elaine chao. trump referred to her as mcconnell's quote, china loving wife. and these were his words, coco chao. how insulting. and he also said that mcconnell has a death wish, which as you can imagine, is particularly dangerous rhetoric for a time like this. today, cnn caught up with mitch mcconnell. and when he was asked about trump's comments about him, and of course, in this instance, mcconnell said, quote, i don't have anything to say about that. now, he was then pressed further. don't take it out of context. he was asked more about the racist comments about his wife, which mcconnell did not want to respond to that specifically. apparently. but he did say the only time i

have responded to the president, i think, since he left office is when he gave me my favorite nickname, old crow. which i considered a compliment. and after all, it was henry clay's favorite -- how is that for kentucky? the idea of him not commenting, at first blush, alisyn, why would you not comment, why would you not respond in some way? it's your wife, he was in your cabinet. so is this sort of a kick rocks? >> yeah, it's that he doesn't want to poke the bear, and i understand. no good comes from picking a fight with donald trump. however, isn't there a way to just take the high ground say something to the effect of, i think mitch mcconnell missed an opportunity. because he could've said i consider it low class to insult someone's wife, or somebody's spouse. that's it. he does not have to say donald trump's name, but i just think that walking away in pretending that did not happen, i don't know if that's the most effective thing. or if it stopped donald trump from then insulting you in the future. tell us what you think, what is the right response of somebody insults your spouse?

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