. > . 1 billion dollars that's what the jury said alex joe bidens needs to pay to eight families of the sandy hook massacre and a front, they sued the rye wing conspiracy theorist he lied about horrific 2012 school shooting the one that killed 20 children and six adults nearly 10 years ago, but jones, well, he's not mucking the verdict, maybe thinks it's funny claiming there ain't no money, talk about it now with maria, chris powers and david urban, i got to tell you the mirror mention of his name and

what's happened at sandy hook you get most invest relay reaction because it's so disturbing, listen to think here's what he said after that jury award cam down, it wasn't like he took it seriously. 11 to this. >> 57 million. 20 million, 50 million. 80 million. by the way, you get 100 million, you get 50 million, do these people think they're getting money? i can keep that in court for years appeal the stuff we can stand up against travesty >> who is the they? i was like he was on trial but trying to appeal to it's us against the families. >> the guy is despicable. think of a bad adjective to describe a human being, these a five, 6-year-old kids that were murdered in cold blood and he's mucking and he goes on television and pulls himself and

gives an interview, says he's an actor, he makes fun of the guy, they say no lower form of life and then he turns it and says they're trying to come for your guns this is false flag put on by the u.s. government. it's despicable, no other word, he should be put out of business >> why is he still in business? one thing i think about with alexa jones is the fact that someone is go after him for that awarding of damages means there was deep pockets to go into, number is this a deter rent, that this capitalizing on lies told. >> he's raising money off of this right now, as we sit here, he is doing an emergency live broadcast to save info wars he's been do using this to continue to stoke the flames, he's not taking the process seriously in any way, families begged and begged him and he doubled down

and doubled down, he refused to cooperate with these documents he was held in contempt of court, when you think about what these families have been through because of him, fact they weren't able to grief in peace, some of them had to move multiple times to escape death threats and harassments they were shot at one father commit suicide because he could not bear what he was going through and this man continues to this very moment to double down on this, this is a disgusting human being. >> listen to one of the parents very i'm sure about this issue, just, it's so emotional to hear of here he is. >> being able to take up the story back. being able to to through the all of this mess, remind people about who she was and what she meant to me and her mom and sisters and for me, personally getting my own story back, and so for me, the payoff was alex jones used the statement i gave

years ago as a -- as a way to torture me to and to profit from it. he was forced to sit in the courtroom and listen to every word that i had to say that night, and i hadn't done that since that night. and i almost forgot what it was i shared with world. and i listened to that. >> when you hear that, what goes through your mind >> i just can't understand what makes alex jones be alex jones' you just look at him and think what kind of person would inflict this kind of pain? you wouldn't inflict this pain on somebody that you hated. you wouldn't even do this to your worst enemy and he does it to these people who have had one of the worst things that can ever happen to you in your life happen and then just you know, pours gasoline on the fire and that's a keep growing and grow and worse and worse for them, but this is just a person that that i can't begin to understand

and then to act like an agriefed party when you're held accountable and to say you're never going to get the money and taunting people, it's is adis tick, he just loves to make them suffer even more than they've suffered and helps him make money, that's the thing, he actually enriched himself off of pushing this. so there's a benefit to him but he does seem to enjoy it. >> here's the principal's daughter on the point you're raising both of you talking about in this moment, listen to thisly >> money is all that alex jones cares about, and the only way to even begin to start to explain -- i don't know, how he's made us feel is to hit him in the pocket. it's the only thing that's going to prevent him from doing this to other families. it's the only shot that we ever

have of him stopping the hate in and lies and the conspiracy he's, he's thrown down on he is the last decade. money all that matters to him, and this was the only way to get a message across to him in my opinion. >> david take a step back for a second, we're talking about leaks jones. there's also alex jones symbolizes and we're talking about the idea of being able to capitalize and profit off of exploitation and lies that you know to to be false. that's the in essence of a defamation suit. the idea, we've seen this in politics, too, the idea of people being able to capitalize whether it's current to get if office, currency to raise money in some respect or somehow rubbing elbows. is this going to be a signal to others more broadly who traffic in misinformation? >> i don't know this is so bad

>> so different >> so different because right, left, liberal, conservative if you got a kid, if you grew up with people, this hits differently. this hits definitely this isn't about republicans or democrats this is about right and wrong, what he did was wrong. what these people are look for is peace, they want to take this guy out because he shouldn't be able to do this to anybody else again, and the sandy hook families are saying i mean coming for your guns, the promise, the organization these people put together, when they started out. the kiss, principal for gun, we're not going to take a position whether you have guns or not but if you have a gun keep it locked up, secure, out of people's hand that shouldn't have gun, they were not a right wing or left wing organization coming to take where you are guns? whether profitable to make the seem like that >> exactly correct. and so again, like, it's, the entire theme here is just, it's

men dacious. you got to look that up. >> it's true that most republicans are saying what he's saying. he's not a marginal person in the republican party, unfortunately, who was acting like alex jones has been victimized. right?t? so there's something bigger here. i think than just, just alex jones, i think it speaks to something bigger, and the only way to keep people from doing this is to -- just take all his money, to run him out of business and i don't understand the legalities of how he's brought his business into bankruptcy to avoid it. he has a home, car, he has whatever camping take what away everything he has until he paid a billion dollars. >> can you take away the symbol >> that's the problem is that it speaks to the enduring power of these conspiracy theories this may be an extreme case, i agree but remember he was forced in to admit in court this shooting did

place, it was 100% real, these parents were not actors the children lost their lives and then went right back to todaying what he was doing and he has people people who continue to send him money to fly around in private jets. >> i wish alex jones could sit down with these families across the table one by one so they get to see them and feel their their pain. >> sick thing about it i think he knows it but the money was more enticing that's the moral campus we're talking about, arch stick around a lot more to talk about here tonight i want to hear from you, what do you think about alex jones, here's what reggie is telling us what alex jones did spreading lies was so stating. they did not think the jury could give an adequate amount. remember mr. jones matters, tweet me@laura coates. profiled by police, i'll tell

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two blake comedians are alleging racial profiing at the airport, they were randomly stopped on different occasions by police and questioned about drugs, this happened not in the privacy of some area but in front of other passengers as if it made it batter, eric andre are now suing clayton county georgia police and claiming of course, their constitutional rights were violated. >> came out of nowhere in like

all like an ambush style and started singled me out the only person of color on the jet bridge at the time behind me. they singled me out. they asked me if i was selling drugs, transporting drugs, what kind of drugs i have on me. and it was clearly a racial profiing. i felt violated. i felt like i couldn't, you know, continue to get on the plane, i felt like i had to comply if i wanted everything to go smoothly. >> andre cause humanity humiliating and dehumanizing. he joins me along with his attorney, barry free man a law professor at nyu and founding director of the nyu policing project. i'm glad to see you here, we know you from a very different world and to see this happen in the intersection of what i think is so many people experience, and not joking around, my father and my husband, i haven't been

to the airport yet when they haven't been randomly selected for something. it's a joke people can tell but it really happened. tell me by why that was such an experience. >> it's happened to me a bunch, racially profiing at the airport and throughout my life, this was kind of the most egregious instance that i've lived through. i was coming home from a work trip, filling an hbo show and charleston, south carolina, connecting in the atlanta airport to fly home to los angeles, and i went to the jet bridge, i went to the gate, gave the gate agent my ticket. went to the jet bridge and these two clayton county cops came out of nowhere and started questioning me about am i selling drug, buying drug, transporting drugs? i was the only person of color in front of me and behind me on this narrow. >> were they in uniform. >> they were plainclothes. i can't remember if they had badges around them, but they were plainclothes, so that made it extra confusing i had already

been through tsa i was like is this another tsa screening? what is this, what do they want? and i was like this is stop frisk, they're singling out black and brown people asking them if they have drugs in the hopes they do so they can arrest them but experience was humiliating and embarrassing and dehumanizing and >> everyone around you is watching what were the expressions. >> everyone is gawking like you're a perpetrator, like bad guy literally just flying home from a work trip. >> is that why you thought you had to answer the question or, was there a part of you that said. i need to get on my flight. >> you're scared it doesn't feel consensual at all. you're like ok, cops are stopping me, supposed to be something wrong be they think i'm doing something wrong, prove, it's you feel guilty until proven innocent it's midlevel, so yeah, it was traumatizing, and as i was getting out of the situation, i

told a couple friends who are lawyers and they were like you shouldn't put up with that, even when i landed and got off there was a lawyer sitting near me in business class and watched whole thing and she came up to me afterwards and said you should report that that was not right what they did to you, i started tweeting about it and my friend economy and clayton english reached to me and said the same exact thing >> at the same airport. >> same airport, same police department, same thing happened to him except he unloaded his whole bag, they looked his stuff up and down and now more people are coming forward, more black people and people of color are coming forward saying they singled them out and the statistics that barry can talk about can. >> random checks are not so random >> i want to go there but point out that the clayton county police department has responded in some way and said mr. dre you, of course, choose to speak with investigators during the initial encounter.

during the encounter, mr. andre voluntarily provided the investigators as to hurricane ian travel plan, mr. andre also voluntarily concerted to a search of his luggage that the investigators chose not to do >> that's not true. when two cops pop out of nowhere on a jet bridge that's like, what, five feet across not even, you don't really feel like you have a choice to just go, no, i don't need to talk to you, two took place kind of pin you in this awkward cloifk corner and when they specifically asked to see my bag, clearly like a training situation, i said do i have to say yes to the search and he went no. i was like ok, well then no. and they're like all right. >> the way you say almost as if you filed a plan, that's how you read the moment you mention

statistics, i want to get you in here, barry i think the numbers people need to hear you're talking about i think it was the lawsuit cites of the 378 stops in this particular area, 56% of the people who were stopped were black, 68% were people of color. and 2016 survey from airlines for america only 8% of air passengers are black. s that disproportion it,s at the least, is that more evidence why to bring this sort of case >> when we heard about this from eric tweeting the discrimination, went even know about that, what we realized that the reason they say it was voluntary or he concerted otherwise it's unreasonable seizure it fights the 4th amendment. you can't pick anybody out. they just want to get on plane, then filed a public records request and asked for the data. we got the data and couldn't

believe it. 8% of 378 should be something like 30 black folks and instead we get 211. so we ran the odds on that, checked the statisticians i still have a hard time believing it but it's far less than 100 trillion is the chance this happening randomly. clearly picking people of color. >> when you hear those numbers and think about that does that add to it for you. >> yes, but i'm also not surprised but unfortunately this is the world we live in, a white supremacy power structure and these people, clayton county police department are preying on black people for money, it's like a shaky-down. >> the money long-term not just the search but able to to seize certain assets they find on people and you talk about the idea you didn't feel like you could walk away, the idea of being able to say no, whatever

assets or money i have, you can't keep that either, you thought there was more you could do. >> i was so nervous and confused and i had already been through tsa so it's like is this a second round of tsa? i never experienced this that i was just like in fight or flight mode and wanting to get out of there. so it was kind of like a cloud i was disassociating. >> what has been the reaction people have had was happening to you. >> a lot of people are coming forward the same exact thing happened to me, i'm black on jet bridge, not just the atlanta airport but before coming out on airports all over the country, same exact thing be i was the only black person in line and these cops came out of nowhere pulled me out and asked me about if i had drugs on me and all this stuff. so it's -- they're horrible stories but it's a good thing that you see how now these people have a voice and a platform and they're coming forward and hopefully this will

stop. >> why is this clayton county versus tsa? what is the authority that law enforcement would have at a county level to come to the airport and do it. >> that's a great question, just so happens that atlanta jackson is in clayton county, so the clayton county police have some jurisdiction there, as eric pointed out. why would the police be doing enforcement on people leaving? people leaving the jurisdiction, as we learned what they're doing is seizing money from a lot of folks, they seized in the eight-month period we looked at over $1 million even though they really only found two people with drug, so this was a scheme to get money and the reason that the policing project we're so concerned with this, when you have police that don't have rules or policies over anything what they do, you they have a lot of discretion and when you get discretion you have discrimination >> let's see if we can get someone on to talk about this and get the answers why, what is the process here? what is the reason this is

happening, especially if the numbers and figures you're talking about if that's the success rate, so to speak, i don't know why the program continues. it's not productive and what you're citing now, really important thank you for coming on and telling the story and what's going on, it's unfortunate to hear, thank you so much. up next, the panel is back talking about the january 6 panel, no, talking about the panel of our segment here, they're going to come back and talk about this case of alleged racial profiing and the greater issue of race and policing in this country. ♪. ♪.

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you just heard about two black comedians following a lawsuit over alleged racial profiing at the atlanta airport. is latest evolving conversation over race and police say more broadly in this country, here with me, joey jackson and david urban, joey i got to go to defense counsel to my left. tell me your defense chops here, what is your reaction? >> listen, my reaction is it's hard to defend. defense counsel, of course, i do what i do proudly but you want to defend humanity, proper, right and appropriate. and i think what's appropriate and understanding police have a job, important part of that job is in sitter accepting drugs and do what they have to do, when you do it in way that's profiing, as the fabulous prosecutor that you were, it's about the evidence, it's about

the proof and when you're stopping people just because you happen to be african-american and by the way, i think, because of that, you have some background in drugs it's wrong shouldn't happen and i thank goodness that they're using their great platform writing this wrong. >> what do you think . >> it's hard to argue what joey just said. >> as. >> he's a great lawyer, let me point out when it's going to go to trial, a part of this of folks stopped about a million box were seized about a million dollars were seized from 25 individuals, if you break it down 40 bucks a person, people carrying $40,000. of those 25 people, only eight petitioned -- went and petitioned the court to get the money back, what does that tell you about the other 17 people who left 40,000 plus cash on the table and they didn't go back. >> i think the answer is people are tired of red tape. and they're not going to fight.

reality >> i might fight. >> you may. >> here's the reality >> you have to prove your money is not tied to any criminal enterprises so your money is basically guilty until proven innocent and that's not how it's supposed to work and the standard of proof and in criminal cases you have beyond a reasonable doubt. if when you're talking about issues of access forfeiture, it's pro upon andersons. >> the money that go someplace >> goes back to the police. >> and i think police need to be resourced because they're doing a lot of good and i won't dispute that. but what i don't believe is they should be recorded on the backs people who are not engaged in any wrong doing. engaged in wrongdoing. >> if you have 40,000 bucks, i don't know where you come from, where i come from if you have 40,000 bucks of your money, you'll fight for it. >> but you know you're entitled

to get it back and i think part of the problem we have here of people understanding what their rights are, specifically when you're talking about an airport, even if you're someone who says, well, i know my rights, the police can't stop and search me at xyz when we're at airports we're trained to expect to be searched, trained to expect for tsa to take things away get back, it's a unique environment where people have their guard down, and they're probably more willing to subject themselves to these unreasonable search >> i was present one time when somebody had cash seized on the law enforcement side of it and they explain in great detail how this individual can get their money back, gave them receipts, the paperwork and said here's what you got to do to get your money back. >> how do you explain the statistics here, because you cited the idea that the notion what you're saying in my mind is look, all is well that ends well, captured the money, so unless, it must have been for nefarious purposes. how do you explain the stats here look at the stats now.

56% of the people stopped were black, 68% of people of color, only 8% of the population is flying on that number, how do you explain that. >> let's take it back a step. 8% at the atlanta airport might be under representing it. i don't know where they're taking that snapshot. chicago, i don't know where they're taking the statistics, i'm not saying the money seized was evidence of anything other than a successful program that's why they continue doing it they're seizing a million bucks, 25 people they took it from only eight asked for it back they will keep doing it until they get forced not to do it. i'm not saying it's evidence of anything other than what it is. >> the problem with that, in respects is if it's successful and the allegation of the constitution to get that money. >> they shouldn't do it. >> they shouldn't be allowed to happen. and it's inman sense advising.

>> there's a role with police in what they do, i'm not going to target the police department, i'm going to speak out against a practice that has no place, when someone is doing something inappropriate unlawful you have an issue dish sha of criminalities we like to talk about that's one thing but to target erica andre, he's african-american he must be up to something nefarious, clayton english, what about him? it's not proper let's use the law in the way it's intended and designed to catch the bad guys not to single and target people. >> you make a great point and the idea of the conditioning, because i invite anyone from the clayton county police department to come on the show and talk about this, i think it's important to hear what they have to say what and what justification they provide but the conditioning is the airport, the idea of it being consensual and voluntary. that's part of gives you pause how genuine that would be. >> taking place on the jet bridge trying to board your flight.

i consider myself to be someone who knows a lot about my rights and i think in in that circumstance i would have stopped and concerted if someone was taken away i probably would have allowed it thinking that was an extension of tsa he said is this more tsa screening? it's a very confusing circumstance, and when you talk about the percentages that we're seeing, you have to remember you mentioned atlanta you don't know where these percentage are coming from, this didn't take place in atlanta proper, it was in the airport. so the population here are people in transit so i think the 8% is probably accurate >> informing the conversation bradley outside the airport is, the interaction what it means when you don't consent to police officers. and don't consent in some way and feel as though even if you do it's not going to end well and the whole, and joey >> if someone comes with a badge and a gun and they're police officers and say hey, stop, what are you going to say? never mind, i'm going to keep do

going, it's unduly coercive. >> the movie bad trip, eric andre's best work. >> waiting for all this time. >> go look it up on flicks. >> a flood and a conversation, thanks, everyone stick around, we'll talk about some racist comments that happened by an la council member and new fall-out between the that's next. ♪. ♪. dry skin is sensitive skin, too. and it's natural. treat it that way with aveeno® daily moisture. formulated with nourishing, prebiotic oat. it's clinically proven to moisturize dry skin for 24 hours. aveeno® i had a bad relationship with my student loan. the interest was costing me... well, us... a fortune. no matter how much we paid it was always just... there. you know? so, i broke up with my bad student loan debt and refinanced with sofi. turns out we could save thousands. break up with bad student loan debt

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. la city council member resigned from her seat two days after stepping down from her post as president after the leaked audit revealed she made racist comments, according coming in a conversation with council members, as well as los angeles county federation of labor president, ron herrara who resigned from his post monday, i want you to play for you a portion of that leaked audio, audio, as i said i don't like it. >> white guys with their little black hair who misbehave >> you're like a little white kid. i was like, take them along corner and i'll bring them back. >> and there's a lot more to

that conversation, and in the wake, the white house said president biden believes that all the la city council member whose took part in that conversation should step down. back with me, mara, com po christy powers and david urban, what is your reaction to think the comment highly problematic but i wonder what you make of a decision of the white house to weigh in on this issue in particular? what do you make it of i. >> i think what we're talking about in terms of the other member whose didn't object or say anything i think what the white house is speaking to is the fact they still have not taken action, they've apologized but beyond that there hasn't been meaningful action i think there's the question about whether these people deserve to hold elected office, you have to think about what was said on the call. where this woman, not only refers to this black child by this terrible slur calling him

monkey but says she wants to take him around the corner and beat him and the other people don't say anything to object, there's a question about whether these people should hold elected office and my view is there should not >> there's protests happening trying to make sure they did not hold office, i want to play more of what they had to say on the remarks made and what president biden thought about it. >> the president is glad to see that one of the participants in that conversation has resigned. but they all should. he believes they all should resoon. the language used and tolerated during that conversation was unacceptable and it was appalling. they should all step down. >> that was tuesday, right, commenting on that and nury said to my constituents, after resign, serving has been a privilege and one i don't give up lightly. you are my neighbors, my friends

and the reason for this service. while i take the time to look inwards and reflect i ask that you give me space and privacy on these issues, what do you make of this >> i don't understand why they all didn't just resign immediately. so the fact that it took any time, the steps down and the resigning and all of that, sometimes you screw up massively. and, you just resign and take time get therapy, talk to different people to get advice to figure how you got to this potent that you would speak about other people this way or sit there and say nothing when other people were speaking this way. and you know, go deal with your issues basically. it's just bizarre to me that people think they can do stuff like this and then just go on like nothing had happened. if i was on a recorded saying is stuff like this, i would ask someone to take me to the hospital to get a brain scan, i would say something is wrong with me.

it's so in conceivable to talk this way, that it's just bizarre she was talking this way and these other two people are acting like it was normal. >> you think about some reaction that's come out, just collectively over time, has been these two arguments, i want to hear your reaction, on the other hand it's resign, you don't have a chance to leave, you're asked to leave, you have foreclosed an opportunity, the other is believe in deredemption. >> i want to learn in that moment and i can grow from this and maintain my position, then gout the argument of this is cancel culture yet again, you can't do anything wrong, where do you stand. >> it's not cancel culture, this is she screwed up. you forfeited the right to be a leader in the government. and she should have stepped down the whole city council should step do you believe, just like i think governor north um should have stepped down, either black face or -- i don't know which

one he was, everybody circled the wagons and let the guy stay as governor. most governors wanted him to >> he chose to and that's the potent and i think that look. >> you >> i believe in redemption but i think it's a really important thing to say that doesn't mean they're not accountability so there can be accountability people then go and they like i said they deal with their issues and they try to make things right, part of that redemtive process is also them you know, repenting and repairing and making things better, fixing, you know, where it it's broken, that what's should be happening, holding people accountable is not cancelling them. >> is there room for that redemption in politics. >> there's room but a process that needs to take place and we're far too early in this for that process to be complete and i think there's a bigger context here explaining part of the reason why people are so upset

about this the whole reason was to talk about di illuminating black political presence in los angeles when you pair that about this black child you see why a lot of people are very upset, why they feel these three members have no place in leadership in los angeles. >> i think they have a real politic view of politics. there may be room for grace but no the in the current political environment. you get scorched burned -- ten, 15 years later you can come back and by the way i'm all for grace, asking for forgiveness i believe in second acts, but you know, you have to part of the thing is admitting you're wrong and in governor's case he didn't step forward and say i screwed up i was a 20-year-old kid, i was an idiot, i'm sorry i shouldn't be a governor of state that's so diverse like virginia, just do that, you can't have redemption if undo that. >> it's fascinating we were able

to narrow down the mistakes of politicians in two incidents. i can give you a whole list of things but it's time for all of you to sound off here, your tweets are coming up next, everyone. ♪. ♪.

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consider myself middle of the road common sense voter, john fetterman having to use a closed caption for a debate is not a big deal for me. watching him wasn't which i can't say about a lot other candidates in the last few years, what are you thinking. >> i'm thinking of various people in the public sphere who speak in word salad constantly and same people like donald trump have you ever interviewed him as i have and you try to read the transcripts and there's no sentences just run on all over the place. does he have a cognitive problem? i never ran around saying he had cognitive problems. you know, so suddenly because this person who actually has a diagnosed reason for this auditory processing issues, and we've been told that's what it is, why is everybody acting like he is not capable of doing this job? it's ablism. it's just straight up ablism.

>> i think one of the fetterman is dishonesty he didn't tell the voters anybody he had a stroke wasn't completely honest with the democrats the governor. >> not telling people something for three days is not diego dishonest. >> they drift and drift out. he hasn't been forthcoming i worked for a member who had cancer, heart attacks >> and thement they got diagnosis they didn't ran and told everyone. >> i'm sure they went straight from the doctor's office and gave a press conference be that's ridiculous. >> are you calling me a liar. >> we were just talking about grace, i would like to remind everyone. circle back to that, as it applies to fetterman we were talking about with grace, he was someone just been through a very serious medical issue i don't think it's unreasonable to extend a little bit of grace and accommodate what he said his needs are >> the photos will do it in the

ballot box, that's the question at the end of the day the fact that we're debating questioning the legitimacy and partisanship of the supreme court is yet another indication of how great the threat to democracy is in our nation. you guys didn't have a chance to weigh in on issue of the supreme court and what's happening, what do you make of it >> people have been saying the supreme court since mayberry versus madison this isn't brand new, there have been court packings and on and on. same 74 different day. >> i do think it's different, i believe at least in our lifetimes, the supreme court was that one institution i feel like when i was growing up or even in my 20's and 30's, you know, that you would look at it my 40's, and think this is an institution that we can basically count on in way that i wouldn't necessarily look at the other branches of government. it feels this something different where it's starting to feel partisan. >> we'll leave it here doesn't

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