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voting to subpoena the former president in his role in the capitol insurrection. >> he must be accountable. he is required to answer for his actions, is required to answer to those police officers who put their lives and bodies on the line to defend our democracy. he is required to answer to those millions of americans whose votes he wanted to go throw out as part of his scheme to remain in power. so it is our obligation to seek donald trump's testimony. >> and then they voted unanimously to do just that. let's bring in margaret taylor, tim bellmont, and john miller. great to see you guys. margaret, that was quite a finale, where the each unanimously and buy voice voted that they are going to subpoena donald trump. >> for sure, it was a historic

moment. it paves the way for the potential of that committee to make criminal referrals all the way up to the former president. liz cheney didn't say that's what they're gonna do but they certainly suggest that they were gonna make certain criminal referrals. it brought under the spotlight, the evidence that essentially every single person in town that day who worked in congress and the white house except for former president donald trump basically knew violence was going to happen and was begging him to call everybody back. that's important. i don't know what the end result is going to be. i don't know what the short term political implications are gonna be. i don't know what the 2024 implications are gonna be, but we will see all that unfold in the next few weeks. >> we think about jim, when i heard the president being subpoenaed, there's a track record for this right? i don't think the odds in vegas are really in favor of he's going to show up. there was a chance, he did

complain about nodding having a chance to speak as mean, for either of the impeachments. he complained about not this being more of a trial like setting, a claim to mccarthy but not having his say, but just look at this timeline if you would about what it took to hold, steve bannon in contempt. he was issued on 23rd of september, he was indicted on the 12th, the trial happen in july, it's nearly a year of time, we are 26 days away from the midterm elections. we are not a year away from even into congress being installed. when you think about the odds of a former president complying, where are you? >> laura, i look at this with two sets of eyes, what is legal, and what is practical. from a legal perspective, put aside the fact that he is a duty under the law to comply. we all know that that doesn't mean anything to him. but no defense lawyer would recommend him to do this. the evidence is too

overwhelming -- >> to testify? >> to testify. but from a practical perspective on you get on this in the last panel, be careful what you wish for. if you are the committee, you have to understand that donald trump would love the circus. he would love the theater. he would love the megaphone. so if you are the committee, you had better have a plan for a taming this tiger who is going to talk over the committee and get his points across and use it as an opportunity to motivate his base. >> he's not gonna have a chance to do say what ginni thomas did behind the doors. no audio recording, a video recording -- -- >> why not? he might strike a deal? >> it really is the committee's decision but my guess is he's gonna make it difficult, if he's gonna do it at all. a sensible person would listen to his or her lawyer, but donald trump who knows? >> you want to have a deal like that? >> it depends if they really, really want the information and the documents, or if they want

to have it on the public record in front of everybody. >> that just depends what their calculus is, if they would make a deal like that. i want cameras everywhere, following everyone around all the time. >> i think we should play another very dramatic moment from what we have seen in this new documentary shot by alexandra pelosi, nancy pelosi's daughter. she was shooting a documentary about how there's gonna be a peaceful transfer of power on january six and she obviously got a lot more than she bargained for. here's the moment where nancy pelosi is being ushered out of her office under threat to her life. >> [noise] >> yes ma'am.

[inaudible] >> yes. >> or other. mob shouting >> [inaudible] [noise] >> stop and see what happens. >> john how chilling this to watch that. must be era of law enforcement. next >> it does and if you look at from that standpoint from

the protectors to be able to protect these people, keep them safe get them into a safe place with an incredible mob outside, when we look at from a wider aperture, after a year when police probably took the worst beating in terms of public image in the history of policing. at the end of the day when, it came to defend democracy, the national guard wasn't to be there for a long time, it turned out to be coughs on the very front lines, and they paid for it. >> yes and as laura was pointing out, once again seeing that seoul capitol police officer at the top of the stairs with the delusion of the mobsters coming towards him and he's trying to distract them, just incredible bravery. >> think about where we are and we have elections. we are going to have him again, and again, and again, and again. if it's a republican we can keep. it which means you're gonna have now the need to protect, not just what's happening, we're talking about the capitol,

but at individual polling stations. you have election officials who are being threatened. there's a moment when congresswoman liz cheney raised today that i think really set the tone and helping people understand why this is a clear and present danger. listen what she talks about in terms of the human vote forces that were the only impediments to things going on. >> why would americans assume that our constitution and our institutions in our republic are in vulnerable to another attack? why would we assume that those institutions will not falter next time? i keelan of this investigation is this. our institutions only hold when men and women of good faith make them hold, regardless of the political cost. we have no guarantee that these men and women will be in place next time. >> is that right margaret? they might actually be doing a blueprint here which is, hold on i maybe i don't have

somebody who has a spine next time. >> there are crucial elections for secretary of state around the country, for attorney general and states around the country, and everything he said falls into those buckets. i think another piece of what congresswoman cheney is talking about, the reality is that american voters have now had months of hearings with video and testimony showing the former presidents knowledge, culpability, what actions he took, what actions he didn't take, but he's still the leader of the republican party. he still has according to survey research intense support from a large chunk of the republican base. if these panels conclude and we go into 2023 and still emerges as the front runner for the republican party, that is a huge test. yes >> yes but to your, point i think the largest that the system didn't get stronger as a result of this.

there is a whole raft of election liars who possibly could be about to win oversight of state elections. so secretaries of state, we know this, arizona, i can go on and on and on. it's not as though after this we battened down the hatches and make sure that this could ever happen again. jim, do you worry that it could be easier the next time? >> i think it is going to be easier the next time. unfortunately, we have 300 election arrives on the ballots all across the country. we have a republican party led by donald trump who is still deeply popular. and after all of this, the american public has not been swayed. there was just a report today in the new york times that recent poll showed that the numbers are almost identical in terms of the people believe that the election was stolen and the people believe that trump is the real president. before these hearings started and after these hearings started. people aren't listening and

that's the terrifying part. >> what about the law enforcement aspect of? it he mentioned had quite a year overtime, in the last couple of months there have been calls to get rid of the fbi, defund it. the idea of the execution of a search warrant at mar-a-lago. you think about those two juxtaposed as to what we're seeing about the brutal attack of law enforcement. we're trying to were try and help members of the capital. what does this bode for the future of law enforcement? >> it's very interesting. i try to spread myself out to hear all sides of this. i listen to a lot of talk radio and what you saw was within 48 hours of executing a lawful search warrant signed by a united states magistrate based on probable cause aleta under oath in an affidavit, in response to that, donald trump took to social media and raised $2 million in two days in small donations among those 70 million people who voted for

him and a large percentage who still support him. so the trust factor is still very important here. i think if you're pull the bright side out of everything we saw today in the other hearings, because allison everything he said is true, but what did we see? there are no two people on the planet earth who are more politically polar opposite that nancy pelosi and mike pence. but they pushed politics aside on that day for process, so while we are talking about the great terrible's that could follow, the election meddling in the future, perpetuity, we did see brave people who agree on nothing agree that the process must prevail. >> that was a comforting moment. >> i was a human moment, and helping him well and that he will be safe. we have a lot more to talk about today. we want to hear about you your part of our discussion. one of your thoughts of after seeing the footage. anything else to want to say to alison emmy within reason, not

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president trump's rushing the generous six select committees voted to subpoena him, republicans are accusing democrats of theatrical.

but how does the base really feel about the subpoena and hearing today? let's bring in mark davis who's a radio talk show host in dallas. mark thanks so much for your time tonight. did your listeners watch what happened today and what did they tell you? >> i think it is become a bit of a habit among the conservative audience to not pay a lot of attention to the day today goings on. you will ship was not high. i watch because it kind of had to. but the interesting thing that is happening across the conservative talk radio base if you will is that there is no denying that this probably have some effect, it's not the desired effect of liz cheney, adam kinzinger and the committee all of a sudden going oh how wrong with being, he really is an insider of violence, he really is an insurrectionist. everyone knows the january six was terrible, the writing was terrible, the attempt to conflate this into a broad attack on trump, his agenda, and 75 million voters, that's

not going over and that's not gonna change. >> well when you say it has some effect what effect? >> i think that it has to be true that months and months of this drumbeat of here is the latest of the craziest thing would happen and trump -- it adds to the image of a chaotic white house and that flashes forward to the prospect of a chaotic candidacy if he was to offer himself up in 2024, it has some folks who loved every day of the trump presidency kind of thinking about desantis. but as soon as i say, that there may also be an accompanying boomerang effect for a lot of people who may have grown a little lukewarm about trump see the opportunism and the maliciousness of the january 6th committee. and they say dog on, it makes me want to vote for him even more. >> i have a daily radio show on a listen to a lot of colors talk about what you were saying on all sides of the spectrum

frankly, and i hear saying people saying one, they don't wanna listen to it. but others say, i can't believe that people are tuning out of things so important. i wonder in your audience looking forward, the fact that they have now subpoenaed donald trump, does it poke the bear that makes the members you're talking about i want him to testify. i want him to talk. i want him to go there, or does it say don't bother. what is your take? >> those are great multiple questions. let me take them in order or reverse order. >> any ordeal. like >> randomly. there is no way he's going to testify. you and i and the dog knows there's no way he's gonna testify. the talk shows in me and probably you think they'll be a very interesting idea, and an interesting day. does the indictment, the nine to nothing shocker does that move the needle? it's the definition of moving

the needle as having people change their opinion and that's a colossal no. today is really no different than any one of the hundred days gone by for people who don't like trump love these hearings, are fixated by them. people who admire trump have no use for them, view them as a partisan witch hunt, and i don't think that changes. i really don't. >> mark, how about that documentary video footage we are all watching shot by senator congresswoman pelosi's daughter. we're seeing all them behind, scalise, mccarthy, mitch mcconnell, along with all of the leaders of the democratic party, what did you think of the? >> it is absolutely bone-chilling to be taken inside the capital as all of that nightmare was unfolding. interesting lee, if we gathered 100 people and said watch this, i think everybody as a human dealing being would be repelled and shocked and how this how can this happen kind of idea. but then some of the people organist say, trump did that,

and he's absolutely responsible for that. and the other half of the room is gonna say no is not, that was terrible but all of this fixation on the minutiae of how horrible that was either does or does not lead to an attempt to smear the entire trump legacy for it. so for some folks it's gonna work, and for others it won't. >> you're talking about incremental. i do wonder, it's been a couple of months we've since we've heard from the committee. they tended to the big picture. why do you think it's still viewed as incremental when you're talking about a step back, it's not quite a 10,000 foot view, but it's not quite incremental? >> it has been an interesting kind of death by thousand steps, when the committee started out, and i don't need to balkanize in compartment mental is everything but welcome to america. everybody who aided trump's guy gots said this committee will be the greatest thing since sliced bread, and the people who admittedly hated what happened on january six but don't blame trump for it you to

jaundiced eyes. i think that that has only intensified and as the election draws nearer, i think there's more intense desire on the trump part of trump critics to have something, please god something the committee stick to him while the rest of the people who are probably gonna turn only part of the republican wave if that happens are just looking at the democratic party and saying inflation, borders, crime and you know we're talking about climate change and january six, we like our chances. >> 26 days away to see what our chances. our mark davis, nice talking. you >> thank you. guys >> every day, today's january six hearing a speck to be the last before the midterm elections next month. question i asked mark, will trump subpoena have an impact on voters? here's what some of you are saying out there. we had one tweet that says, january six was able to happen because nobody expected such behavior. when they say crime, law and order it applies to people of

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january six committee making their final arguments before the midterms about the riot at the capitol. let's bring in cory sars and scott jennings. scott a, i just want to start with you for the republican view because one of the things i was struck with by listening today, was hearing how senator mitch mcconnell you know really well and vice president pence were just as determined if not

more so than nancy pelosi and chuck schumer to make it happen that day. the phone calls were going back. mitch really wants that this to happen we have to find out how to get back into the capital, vice president pence was working on. what do you think the republican takeaway from today 's? >> well, i don't know where to start. start with mcconnell. i have heard him say many times since that day was his first thought was we have to go back to work tonight, continuity of government, keeping the constitutional gears turning. this is our primary responsible to the american people. i was his first thought and he and the rest of leadership or together to make that happen. as far as terrible as january six, while there is a silver lining here as to how the system actually held, because there were both parties people in both parties who made it work. number two, average republicans looking at this today? i think all the minds are made up. i think in everyone's heart,

they saw it unfold live on tv, they know what happened, they know exactly who is responsible for it and whether they're willing to say it loud or not will vary from person to person, but i don't believe there is a person around who watched this unfold live until a vision who doesn't know exactly what happened and exactly who held the system together that day. >> you're also watching some anyone who's not sure of the suit the picardie sellers is wearing today. that was a big takeaway. silver lining. >> first of all, i had plans tonight. i had a gala dressed, so i'm just happy to be here with you. >> thank you. >> what is your take away away aside from the left? >> >> thank you think scott is actually correct and i don't know if i've ever said that our national tv. >> you have not thank you. >> but i would like to give a great deal of credit to the fortitude of mitch mcconnell

and nancy pelosi. nancy pelosi showed us to be what she is which is about us. and whether or not democrat or republican, black or white, from the liberal bastion of san francisco or from the depths of conservatism in south carolina, i think people had a respect for the courage and fortitude the nancy pelosi shows. people may disagree with her politics all day long, but they will say that she is one courageous woman who you saw on that video, whether or not it was taken with a protester or with donald trump. she showed that fortitude, and you have to give providence to mitch mcconnell as well to the the making sure he was doing his duty. the question, or can you imagine kevin mccarthy and nancy falsies shoes? i don't think he could wear the heels the same way she does. >> funny you say the. one of the things i was struck with, is that people who say members of the congress are too old. mitch mcconnell and nancy pelosi, this video that we watch behind the scenes, we

have experienced this cool collectedness that i can't imagine anyone else pulling up. for hours, they were just on the phone, we've got to make this happen. while they were watching tv, they were saying now they're breaking in. they're breaking in the windows can you believe this, they were screaming and panicking like i would've been. she eating a slim jim, walking and talking. they really were remarkable under duress. >> they knew exactly what they had to do as much as you can know what you have to do with something this never happened before in your life is happening. they essentially knew how to do it and it was by talking to each other, but constantly being in touch. it was extraordinary to see the image of closing with a phone and speaker in mike pence on the other line, and they were just trying to figure out how to hold it together. the one thing that i couldn't stop thinking about was that's how everybody was supposed to behave, including the president of the united states, and it just grew into such stark

contrast that missing piece of the puzzle. >> the point was, you commend the courage and no matter what side you are on, can you commend discouraged, to tenacity, the resolve of speaker pelosi in a moment like that and not condemn the lack thereof of donald trump? how can both be true? >> they're not both true. look, he violated his oath of office. your oath of office as president of the united states is to preserve, protect and defend the constitution. now closing, and mcconnell and the leadership we're doing it that day. i think there experienced your point margaret, their longevity in their experience allowed them to be calm about, but allow them to see clearly the mission. and the mission was, we have to go back into night. can you imagine if they had not? the sun and gone down and we had come up >> or even gone off site? >> then people who ransacked

the capitol without a football. look how we're on schedule now. had they not gone back and, that would've been terrible. that was the goal, to knock the train off the tracks just long enough to create uncertainty. >> can we talk about the clear contrast which i think is your point laura. this is an important point, because when you see people like josh hawley for example who wants to be president of the united states, ted cruz who wants to be president of the united states, even tom cotton. you see these lines and individuals, what you don't see is the fortitude and courage and a clear eyed view that even mitch mcconnell and nancy pelosi had. what is going to happen is they will be primaries around this country i think one of these things that this january six committee has shown us is that there is a litmus test for standing up to for courage and democracy. people say if you are in that position, how would you behave and react? i sincerely believe josh hawley, ted craze fail that test over and over again. >> but you think this really plays into the midterms?

meaning like, i don't know anybody who says january six as it's the top of the list why i go to vote. but democracy. is so i'm gonna ask you, do you think >> there is no evidence that it is at the top of overwhelmingly most voters list. the midterms for most voters, the research tells us is about the economy, maybe about crime and about abortion rights. could it be a factor, it's super narrow in pennsylvania or nevada? perhaps. my sense it's a bigger -- >> i think it'll be educated in 24, think voters have clear and present danger of problems they're dealing with today, but the commander-in-chief test will be put to everybody in 2024. >> respectfully i think both of you are all wrong. the reason is that i think that very important races throughout the country, this will play an important role. i.e. secretary of state and

attorney general. these down ballot races. i don't think this effects who controls the senate and who controls the house of representatives, but i have always argued the most important job in any state is the attorney general, for example the attorney general in georgia. that's gonna be an important race. the attorney general secretary stated our zone, the attorney general in nevada. these are gonna be important races where the questions that come from this january six committee are going to have to be answered in a way that satisfies people who watched them. so maybe not house and senate, the down ballot. >> i agree but i don't have a sense of whether voters will take those implications to the ballot box and split tickets on questions like secretary of state in attorney general. the implications without a doubt are greatly important. >> that's what january six is about come november. >> american liver foundation tonight. i wore this when i got married. >> you did? same one? >> same one.

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a jury in florida recommending a life sentence without parole for the parkland shooter nikolas cruz. remember he pleaded guilty last year to 17 counts of murder 17 counts of attempted murder in the 2018 valentine's day shooting at marjory stoneman douglas high school. the decision outraging many of the members of victims families. >> this ruling was yet another get punch for so many of us. we devastatingly lost our loved ones in that tragic valentine's day. >> this jury failed our

families today. he should've received the death sentence today. >> not now the death penalty but when? when? >> it's impossible not to have your heart pray for all of these people. so many times since that horrible day. here's what i want to ask you with your legal background. families of course want justice. they wanted the death penalty. but there was this whole's role of mitigating factors that the jury was shown about the gunman. it's extensive. everything from he had neural developmental disorder from prenatal called exposure. he witnessed a death of his mother and her nearly eight. he was mentally ill. he suffered food deprivation troop's talent. he was sexually abused by a trusted pure. why aren't those mitigating? it does make sense as a mitigating factors? do we put people to death of that list of factors from their child? >> the question really is let's

explain to the audience what it needs to have these aggravating versus mitigating factors. essentially it's a way of saying look, the reason you should get the death penalty outweighed by why i want to spare your life? now they're mitigating factors are what you were talking to. number one in the list for the jury to look at was, he is a human being. i was the number one they put on that list of things. the reason it is important is because it only took one person on the jury to think that one of these things did not outweigh the decision to have the death penalty. it's gotta be unanimous to do so. yes, these are mitigating factors but the question for the families is, wait a second, i can give you a list of the reasons why my daughter, my son should live. i can give a reason that some of the things it in their lives. is that enough for what he went through to put me what i went through. and that's where the iraqi comes in. but alison, as much as people talk about the death penalty as a part of society, people are really more conflicted than you think.

when it comes to the decision of a jury to say you need to die, that's not a place anyone wants to be. >> and the question that the mom asked their, if not this case then when. not given the death penalty for killing 17 people and in cold blood. ruthlessly, some of the details coming out are obviously sickening than when. i think that's a fair question. i was on the ground at 5 am the next morning after this parkland shooting reporting. at every single person told us that there were red flags about this kid. everybody knew that he was a deeply troubled kid. he was violent with animals. there were all sorts of red flags. the recalling in a school shooter before this happened. >> the red flags, a jury is asked to consider whether those red flags are enough to polish in. those red flags are apparent, i

think it probably factored in i don't think either of us is thinking that's gonna find justice for these families i'm not gonna sit here and say hey i know it's best reading of the law even the federal government has had a moratorium on the government remember when the attorney general merrick garland was talk about ending the death penalty, and the oklahoma bar bomber each angels mine about a. because all of the things carry out, that plays into it so this one had to be nanna missed for him to get the death penalty and it wasn't because three jurors said no. it's heartbreaking for the families they're really able to make impact statements on august and november. and the >> the jury said this but the judge has to make a final. think >> so we're talking about parkland, more after the break up, panels in a way in this on

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>> we're back with our panel now. talking about the parkland mass shooting and what the jury decided today. they decided for life without parole but not the death penalty. so, we are talking about this during the break. there were 41 yuck mitigating factors. most of them having to deal with his mental illness. mental illness and mental disorder. why isn't that sort of, by reason of insanity, be spared? >> that's an interesting

question. let's just say this i feel like the public policy issue is one of the more conflicting policy issues we have. i firmly believe dylan roof or the parkland shooter, if we're gonna add a death penalty, read the threshold for being killed by the state. know that the state is not infallible. they make mistakes. and they cannot have a death penalty where people make mistakes. he was mentally ill, there is no question, and that prosecutor in this case and the defense in this case did a good job at highlighting that in the defense said paraphrasing do we kill mentally broken people? and the jury resounded said, we do not. i firmly believe that -- i sit here and i try to put myself in the shoes of those parents, and it's a very, very difficult decision but you have to respect it. however if we're gonna have a death penalty.

i agree with the desantis on this if we can have a death penalty this is somebody who we should have the death penalty for. >> i'll declare, we are talking about mental health. there's such a stigma surrounding mental health and this country and around the globe. the idea of having -- doing what that person has done. people -- you have to be really careful, i know you're not saying this, he does not guilty or we -- he did not make that particular plea bakari knows the size, well what it would take to show that you are insane and have insanity defense. and he pleaded guilty. he didn't push for that, whether you think it's problematic or not. that's why it's so convoluted the point you're making, why there's so much -- to do it. >> i think this is a human tragedy for every one parent and personnel touched. >> all of us, by the way all of us who watched it. >> this left a stain on

america. we >> sandy hook, parkland, who've all day. >> in this moment, i don't mean to reduce everything to a political issue, but it's a confluence of two of the most potent sort of violence related issues at the moment and one of them is gun violence. and mental health issues. and the other is crime which is becoming a potent issue with how -- joe biden has said, he said during the campaign, during his presidency, he would fight to end the death penalty at the federal level. to end the death penalty. but is that the argument you're gonna take in the closing three and a half weeks before the midterm elections? and people individuals are so conflicted about this. even if you don't believe in the death penalty, people who commit atrocities like this should be punished and prevented from helping anyone --

policy makers are conflicted about this. >> a responses today there is one in favor of talking about it and one person says of course, the portland families are outraged but it does not mean that the system doesn't work. there's another tweet that says that -- you see it and another person said there's another one that talked about the conflicts that they were talking about. what do you think? >> i'm very conflicted on this issue. bakari is -- it's hard not to feel just completely broken for these parents. i have four kids at home. i get to go home to them. these parents don't. i can't even begin to comprehend what's justice for those people. at the same time, i've set out here bakari and i have many -- or juries have been involved and i have argued the same thing every time, if we can have institutional integrity, and trust in institutions, then juries have to be respected.

even if they make decisions that don't make us feel good or didn't come out the way you thought. this jury made a decision. it's easy to disagree with what the jury agrees on but i think that in these emotional cases institutional integrity matters. but boy, in this case if there were to be one for the death penalty i don't know if it would be this when we were talking in the break about the guy, waukesha, again clear example to me if there's ever going to be one there needs to be one. but i keep returning to this idea of a jury of american citizens put in a room to make a decision inside of an institution that is supposed to have integrity and that we're all supposed to trust. >> great point >> thank you for talking to us about all of this. when our coverage continues. mprehensive wealth plan for your full financial pictcture. with the right balance of risk and rewardrd. so you can enjoy more of.....this.

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