tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN October 13, 2022 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT
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good evening. you are going to see a number of extraordinary things over the course of this next hour. it is very rare that we see history happening in realtime. we've all seen the images of what happened to outside the capitol on january 6th, of the capital being breached. people wandering around, destroying property. that was historic, but it is even rarer to see what was happening behind closed doors, where the people in power were making decisions. that is what you are about to see tonight. in this hour ahead, one of the most consequential moments in living memory, in a way you've
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never seen it before. footage from january 6th, 2021, obtained exclusively by cnn as the attack on the capitol unfolded, showing how congressional leaders, speaker, nancy, pelosi and others were forced to flee the capital from their offices and moved to a secure location where they frantically coordinated with then vice president pence and trump cabinet members to quell the insurrection and finish certifying the election. trying, in short, to keep democracy and the rule of law from coming apart at the seams. our guest tonight, including the legendary reporters, bob woodward and carl bernstein, we'll be seeing much of this video for the very first time. seeing what is a remarkable historical record of that dark day. earlier today, the house january six committee, they played a small portion of, it
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only a few minutes. we are going to be showing you about an hour's worth of it, before making themselves history earlier. >> we are obligated to seek answers directly from the man who set this all in motion. in every american is entitled to those answers, so we can act now to protect our republic. so, this afternoon, i am offering this resolution that the committee direct the chairman to issue a subpoena for relevant documents and testimony under oath from donald john trump, in connection with the january 6th attack on the united states capitol. >> and they all voted in favor of that. now, the day would be significant alone for that, or just for the footage the committee presented, as members may what amount to their closing arguments in their case. but there's far more. so the video we are going to show you tonight, no one else had seen before. only a few minutes of it we are showing in the committee hearing today. it was shot by alexandra pelosi, who's a respected documentary filmmaker. she's the daughter of house speaker pelosi. she was with her mom and her family, documenting what was supposed to be a peaceful transfer of political power on january 6th. the kind of day that distinguishes this country from so many others, when things came unglued. alexandra pelosi kept on rolling. this first clip, which runs nearly 17
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minutes, it's part of a documentary that alexandra pelosi has been working on for years. it's edited and we should warn you, you will hear nor shortage of profanity. but this is the vantage point from alexandra pelosi in the speaker's office, on the day of january 6th, and following events with her mom. >> i got, so many of them. oh my god, so many of them. >> today is a sacred day for our democracy, as we mark a peaceful transfer of power. >> the constitution gives us a very specific role today. we are there for one purpose and one purpose only. to count the votes. that is our role, that's the beauty of
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these boxes that are being brought over from the senate. they are repository of the certificates -- to body the will of the people. >> you are in the game, this is, if you know? we had to be ready in timely fashion, more quickly we can have the votes, the more quickly we can designate joe biden and kamala harris president and vice president of the united states. i just want to say this in closing as well. today is a piece of the epitome, january 6th. this is -- west of the world is seeing the birth of christ tonight. let us pray in any way that you do for our country, and that today will be an epiphany for the american people, as they see the difference between our respect for the oath we take versus
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what they are up to. and let us hope that they will see the light and have their own epiphany on the other side. >> ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the 45th president of the united states of america. president donald j trump. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> hundreds of thousands of american patriots are committed to the honesty of our elections and the integrity of our glorious republic. all of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by a bold and radical left democrats, which is what they are doing, and stolen by the fake news media. that's what they've done and what they are doing. we will never give up, we will never concede. it doesn't happen. you don't concede with the steps involved. >> very dangerous, what he's doing. he's getting all these people to show up and protest, stop the steal. he's putting all these crazy ideas in their head. >> here's to
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this, we are going to walk, and i will be there with you, we are going to walk down to the capitol. >> now when he comes here, we are going -- [laughs] >> mike pence is going to have to come through for us. and if he doesn't, that will be a sad day for our country. >> they are marching up, you can see the marching up. >> our country has had enough, we will not take it anymore. that's what this is all about. >> secret service said, they have dissuaded him from coming to capitol hill. they told him, they don't have the resources to protect him here. so, at the moment, he's not coming, but that could change. >> i hope he comes over and i'll punch him out. i'm waiting for this. they're trespassing on the capitol doors. i want to punch him out, i want to go to jail, and we will be happy. >> look at the protesters outside the
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capitol. >> remember you when you are a boy and the protesters came to protest the -- affordable care act. >> yeah. >> okay, go get him, yummy. oh my god, how did that guy get up there? is this about to happen? >> what if they try and run the capitol? >> usa, usa, usa! >> usa! usa! bruce richardson! >> mister vice president, -- >> what purpose of the gentleman from arizona have? >> i rise up for myself and 60 of my colleagues to object t o the counting of the
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electoral ballots from arizona. >> is the objection in writing and signed by senator? >> yes, it is. >> two houses will withdraw from joint session. each house will deliver it separately on the pending objective and report its decision back to the joint session. the senate will now retire to its chair. >> usa! usa! usa! >> voters, the courts and the states have all spoken. if w e overrule them, it would
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everything. f these people. >> anybody want nancy's effing boxing gloves? hey, you want nancy's pink boxing gloves? >> this is my house . >> f nancy pelosi. >> -- i'm going to stay here all day for the rest of our lives or what? we are here until what? until the national guard decides to come? and get rid of these people? >> where the f-are they? hey, let's make a scene, people. -- >> where the f is nancy? >> where are the effing traitors? >> can i speak to pelosi? >> we are coming for you to, i think trey tour. effing traitor. >> my wife just called watching tv, they are people with guns
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>> anybody want nancy's effing boxing gloves? hey, you want nancy's pink boxing gloves? >> this is my house. >> f nancy pelosi. >> -- i'm going to stay here all day for the rest of our lives or what? we are here until what? until the national guard decides to come? and get rid of these people? >> where the f-are they? hey, let's make a scene, people. -- >> where the f is nancy? >> where are the effing traitors? >> can i speak to pelosi? >> we are coming for you to, i think trey tour. effing traitor. >> my wife just called watching tv, they are people with guns walking into the house chamber. >> once them in the residence of the senate seat. >> oh my
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god. they broke into the senate chamber. there's a picture of someone sitting in the chair of the senate, it's all be unvaccinated, there've been shots fired. we need a full national guard component now. we have some senators who are still in their hideaways . they need massive personnel now. can you get them maryland national guard as well? >> oh my gosh.
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they are just breaking windows, it's just horrendous. and every instigation of the president of the united states. okay, thank you, governor. >> virginia guard has been called in. >> i was just talking to governor northam and what he said is they said 200 of state police and -- of the national guard. >> all of a sudden, john, we are told there's not only a lockdown -- >> that's the attorney general. all these senators, including the vice president of the united states, has evacuated. >> -- transcends everything, but the fact is on any given day, they are breaking the law in many different ways. quite frankly, much of it at the instigation of the president of the united states. >> why don't you get the president to tell them to leave the capitol, mister
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attorney general? and your law enforcement responsibility. a public statement they should all leave. well you ask the president to make a statement to ask them to leave the capitol? >> so, as you might have guessed, we are coordinating this quickly -- >> no, no, no. please answer my question. answer my question. >> you need to be in one heck of a hurry, you understand? >> there cannot be just, we are waiting for so and so. we need them there now, whoever you've got. -- >> or some other entity that was under siege. we can logistically get people there as we make the plan and you have some leadership of the national guard there. they had not been given the authority -- >> hi, mr. vice president? hi, yeah, we are okay. we are here with mr. chandler, mr. mcconnell, the leadership, house and senate. and how are you? oh my goodness, where are you? god bless you. but are you very safe? well, we are still
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not safe enough for us to go back. we've been told it could be days to clear the capital. and that we should -- everyone here to get the job done. we are at -- which has facilities for the house and the senate to meet. we would rather go to the capitol and do it there, but it doesn't seem to be safe. we've gotten a very bad report about the conditions of the house floor. defecation and all that kind of thing. okay, i worry about you being at the capitol though. don't let anybody know where you are. -- >> this was a fraudulent election, but we can't play into the hands of these people. we have to have peace, so go home, we love you, you're very special. >> we
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shouldn't let him off the hook, nancy. we issued a statement saying he has to make a statement, he comes up with this bs. >> insurrection. >> oh yeah. >> that's a crime and he's guilty of it. [noise] >> f him up! >> do you think we could get to the capital by 9:10 tonight and finish this? >> senator, i can't given how long it's going to clear. i don't know how many people are in the capital inside, so it's
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a very complex operation we will have to conduct. >> the sooner you can get us, we have to make a decision whether to go back to the capital if it's safe, which we prefer, or do it here. if it's not going to be safe for a couple of days. >> as cnn! as cnn! >> have! cnn >> have! cnn f cnn! >> finish it, finish it! finish it! >> madam
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speaker -- >> i'm at the capitol building, i'm literally standing with the u.s. capitol police. they said they believe that the house and the senate will be able to reconvene in roughly an hour. >> good news. >> we have areas around the chamber that are off limits. basically a crime scene. there's blood outside, we don't see any -- on one side. >> they had finally backed to the capitol. a picture of a day unlike any other in american history. we are going to be playing more exclusive footage throughout this hour, but first, we want to talk about what we have just seen so far. that 17 minutes, which starts off in speaker pelosi's office, her grandson watching and others watching the mob approach the capitol. you see her and others being evacuated, going an ending up at fort mcnair, where they are. nancy pelosi, speaker pelosi, even as she's being evacuated, she's urgently telling anybody who will listen that if they stop this, they will have succeeded. we will have totally failed. she's working the phones, even as she's being evacuated, to insist that this process of certifying the election results must continue, no matter what happens, and then they work the phones for hours with chuck schumer and others, going, blasting jeffrey rosen, the acting attorney general, demanding that he get the
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president to make some sort of a statement, demanding that they start arresting protesters before they are able to get away. joining us right now is bob woodward, cnn political analyst, carl bernstein. together, they broke some of the biggest stories in watergate scandal separately. they remain prolific authors, investigative reporters, and bob gates, one of the leading -- one of the moments we've just seen. bob, you just watch this for the first time. as you reflect, what sticks out to you? >> but what it tells us about donald trump, i. i mean, the idea that he was watching this, the case has been made that it's prove-able that he's behind this. so, where's the common decency? and then as you noted, the republican leaders, kevin mccarthy from the house,
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mitch mcconnell from the senate, are in on this. they are meeting with pelosi and schumer. they are trying to get out of it, and what are the relations that no one had donald trump's cell phone number or knew how to get a hold of him? in a way. and then i guess the third thing, which is so important, there is a moral authority dimension to the presidency. the president, as we know, somebody will get detained illegally in russia, china, iran. the president will be on the case. where was the president? the president was sitting this out and responsible. it's another chapter in the january 6th horror. >> carl, i mean, it's extraordinary to me to see speaker pelosi, chuck schumer, standing in the courtyard there talking to the acting secretary of defense, saying, pretend this is the pentagon. pretend this is the white house. stop giving us the run around, essentially, and get people there. they need people on the ground. and nobody is calling, it's not as if donald trump is
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republican party, and the vice president of the united states, knowing that they have a deadline to finish this job and you hear pelosi say, and you hear the others say, if we can't get this job done by tonight, god knows what the consequences are. and then you think about what happened afterwards when mcconnell, when mccarthy, who had been so instrumental units, turnaround event for the next year and a half, the naval -- to keep saying, they stole the election. mcconnell is silent. and mccarthy is saying, this investigation by the committee is a partisan witch hunt. >> by the way, bob, you know, you have republicans with revisionist history saying, you know, it wasn't so bad. they were just tourists walking through the corridors in the capital. you have mccarthy there, hiding in fort mcnair just like everybody else, sensibly. they brought them there for their own security. mcconnell, you have steve scalise there as well. any talk about these were just, you know,
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regular tourists? certainly didn't seem like the republicans believe that there is mccarthy right there staring at the camera. he didn't seem to believe that on that day. >> well, of course and mcconnell and mccarthy initially came out and denounced trump for this. and as carl rightly points out, then they've shifted their position to safe territory for republicans in the trump era. the whole thing is so absurd that it defies our grandchildren are going to be looking at footage like this and accounts of what have happened, and they are going to say, what the heck was going on in america? because liz cheney is right. all roads lead to trump on this. and again, what all of this shows is he's fallen into himself so completely that he didn't realize, he didn't care about other people at all. i mean, it is absolutely astounding behavior and as we know from reporting, a lot of people around trump during this period felt he was in mental decline. this is another example, i believe, of that. >> carl, for all, you know, the criticism that gets leveled at nancy pelosi for her age or some of these other people, she's in full control here from the moment she's being evacuated.
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she has the big picture in mind, she knows democracy is at stake, she's not crying on the phone, screaming, saying, oh my god, this is crazy. she's saying, this cannot be allowed to succeed. she's in the car saying, this is ridiculous. how long will we be in this cars? we have to get this process back on track. >> even before she's evacuated, you see that shot of the window and she's aware already. she sees that mob out there, and she knows that the president of the united states is a mad ruler. that's also through this whole thing. people in that room know that the president of the united states is a mad man. most of them do. mcconnell knows, mccarthy knows that's underlying all of this. >> these powerful people in washington, other than the president, who are forced to just be working there flip phones, trying to rally local, you know, the mayor of washington, the governor of virginia and others, to get th e
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-- ruler. that's also through this whole thing. people in that room know that the president of the united states is a mad man. most of them do. mcconnell knows, mccarthy knows that's underlying all of this. >> these powerful people in washington, other than the president, who are forced to just be working there flip phones, trying to rally local, you know, the mayor of washington, the governor of virginia and others, to get the national guard in. >> the apparatus of the executive branch run by the president of the united states ought to be doing. >> we have a lot more for the show. you -- bob hurd, thank you so much from you. national leaders trying to get anyone from the administration to act and send troops to take
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bringing you never before going feet seem video tonight of this country's top law makers under siege during the insurrection. now, this next portion is different than the clip you saw before the break. this is raw video. we've had a time stamp to it, and it shows the house and senate leadership, democrats and republicans, at a secure location about two miles or so from the capital, demanding action to secure the capitol during the attack. >> okay, well, d. c. has requested the national guard. it's been denied by d. o. d. . i
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would like to know a good gosh darn reason why it's been denied, i apologize for being so rude. >> don't apologize. >> please, if the whole capital's rampage, there's a picture of someone sitting in this chair of the senate. it should all by be evacuated. shots have been fired. we need the whole national guard component now. was it tonight at first? okay, then i won't take -- we need them fast. i've never seen anything like this. we are like a third world country here. we had to run and evacuate the capital. 400 congressman, 200 senators. all the staff. okay, we need help
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right away, thank you, secretary. bye-bye. they have not denied it, we spoke to the secretary of the army. it's all okay, they give the national guard, they said it was not the night. i'm going to call up the official secretary of the od. d. o. d.. >> locked up and barricaded in their offices, so it's a critical situation and the risk of loss of life. >> we have some senators who are still in their hideaways. we need massive personal now, can you get the maryland national guard to come as well? >> sir, i'm going to -- >> mr. secretary, obviously prince george's county, -- the county executive, i'm sure she will deploy whatever we need
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deployed. montgomery county as well, fairfax and arlington all have very significant forces. >> yes sir -- we won't take any -- >> i have something to say, mister secretary i'm going to call the mayor of washington, d. c. right now and see what other outreach he has two other police departments. leader -- has mentioned and also that we can deliver the good news that you are now going to, instead of blocking the national guard, that you will instead -- >> we just need people in the senate. >> and then did you talk to your boss?
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>> we had the greenlight. he talked to me -- >> i don't know how that word got out, but i never said that. >> thank you, keep working, we need all the personal we can get before someone gets hurt. >> yes, sir. >> okay. mr. attorney general, it's senator schumer and speaker pelosi. i'm going to put you on speakerphone. it's federal law enforcement, is the full arm of the judicial branch, of the department of justice, doing everything they are supposed to be doing here? have they started making some arrests? >> i don't have an update. what i can tell you is that they're rushing people from all available -- uniform, secret service, and assistance from the federal police department
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to get as many people as quickly as we can to the capital, to assist the capitol police >> okay, and i want to ask you this. you know the capital has been totally overrun? and do you know there are certain senators and congressman still in their offices there? >> i have heard that. >> okay, i mean, we've talked to the d. o. d. secretary army and they are sending military. i mean, are you sending every federal army available? how about dealing with the state lawyer is here? he says that the -- police are available. are they being called on to? >> yeah, yeah >> we don't have an answer on the prince george -- we do know that we are -- as many resources as possible, as quickly as possible. >> are you asking arrests to be made? [inaudible]
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>> i would strongly recommend that you make arrests starting now. >> they are breaking windows and that's one of the ways, mister general, they are breaking windows and going in, obviously ransacking our offices and all the rest of that. that is nothing. the concern we have with that, -- >> personal safety. >> it's just transcends everything, but the fact is on any given day, they are breaking the law in many different ways. quite frankly, much of it at the instigation of the president of the united states. and now if he could at least somebody -- >> why don't you get the president to tell them to leave the capitol, mister attorney general? and your law enforcement responsibility. a public statement that they should all leave. he is saying, his tweet said, we are for peace. law and order. why don't you get him to make that statement? what do you do that? >> they are treating us with the greatest -- >> well you ask the president to make a president to ask them
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to leave the capitol? >> so, it's my guess we are coordinating this as quickly -- >> no, no. please answer my question. answer my question. >> senator, i'm going to do everything i can do. >> does that include asking the president to get these people who are followers of his to leave the capitol? >> so, -- i'm trying to get at this with the greatest urgency, as fast as possible. >> it's already too late for that. >> the importance of this, could i just ask -- to let me handle this? >> i'm going to give you a phone number. i would like you to get back to me when you have asked the president to make a statement that they should leave, okay? >> i'm happy to take a number. >> here's the phone number.
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>> i got you loud and clear. >> this cannot be just, we are waiting for so and so. we need them there now, whatever they've got. okay? >> we also have troops, this is bennie hoyer. >> we have a little bit of time to make that decision. >> other military bases, we need every duty, the national guard. all the people who are sworn to protect and the fend the constitution. >> they will be respected. we've been on the phone with the secretary of the army. >> of the 11 100th armor? >> it's been an hour and 30 minutes -- >> how soon in the future can you have the place evacuated? >> i don't want to speak for the leadership, that's going to be his responsibility for executing the operation. so, i'm not going to say that because they're on the ground and they are -- [inaudible] just a remarkable never before seen images behind the scenes
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at port canary, where they've been evacuated. -- joining us now, one of the lawmakers who nearly came face to face with that danger at this colorado democratic congressman and former retired army ranger, jason crow. comforting congresswoman susan wild in the house gallery with the mobs outside, trying to break down the doors. congressman crow, i appreciate you being with us. you just saw the video for the first time. given all you went through on that day, i wonder, what are your thoughts right now seeing what was going on over at fort canary? >> well, anderson, i have a lot of thoughts right now and it certainly brings back a lot of memories about how serious and dire that night was. how depraved the former president is that donald trump, how dangerous he is, how much he lied to people and weaponized people who are misinformed, who were angry, and then appointed that weapon at the u. s. capitol, they are trying to overturn the election, how little he cares about our
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democracy. it also shows leadership, you know? that day, we saw some of the worst of america, but we also saw some of the best of america. one of the things those videos don't show is how amazing the capitol police were and the first responders who were brutally beaten. some of whom were killed. and some of whom have lifetime injuries and mental health issues as results of this, who held back that mob, that insurrection long enough for me and others to escape and get out. truly a lot of heroism that day and how much that stands in contrast to the depravity, to that mob, and for president trump in trying to overturn the election. >> it does shock me looking at this video how, on a day like this, where democracy is hanging in the balance, it is up to the people up to this room, over in fort mcnair, nancy pelosi, speaker pelosi, and chuck schumer, and the others on their flip phones just trying to reach out to anybody who can get national guard troops. just seems like there's got to be a better system, i mean, that it comes
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down to just people working the phones, you know, how they happened have the right phone numbers to call. obviously an ideal world, you would have a president at the white house who are on top of things and had an orderly process to call a national guard. this is what happens when the white house is out of the picture >> it's crazy, it's astonishing? isn't it? the fact that we weren't prepared, we didn't have systems in place, you know, that we had incredible leadership out of chuck schumer and nancy pelosi that night, trying to pull things together. understanding what was going on and the magnitude of it, how important it was that we reconvened and we finished the work that night, and that we did not let the will of the voters, the people be derailed.
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but we certainly weren't ready. nobody in 1 million years ever thought we would be in that position, but that's the story of donald trump's presidency. the story of our country realizing how vulnerable we really are. our country realizing that when you talk about democracy, this is not systems, these are not documents, these are not processes that protect us. what democracy actually is is people deciding to uphold. day in and day out. that they stopped deciding to uphold it, it starts to unravel. the other really important point of all of this is that this is not over. this is not a history
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lesson, this is not an exercise in reviewing historical facts about our country. this is going on. donald trump is still doing this. he's telling the big lie, he's inciting extremism. the extremism that we saw that day has been deepening in america. it's dangerous and the question before the american people in the next month, frankly, is whether or not we are going to send members of that mob, insurrectionists, to the united states congress, into city council chambers. into state legislatures around the country, because they are on the ballot, literally, in the next 30 days. this is a dangerous thing and it's time for us to wake up and to make sure doesn't happen. >> while congressional leaders were at fort mcnair while -- trying to do whatever they could to keep democracy running and certify the vote, the president was at the white house watching this all on tv and dining room and not doing anything, and mark meadows was -- catch the hundred and, rocking back and forth, streaming on his phone, you know, going to a special place in his head, having a meltdown of sorts. it is just extraordinary to see these images. congresswoman crow i appreciate your time tonight. still to come tonight, more of this never before seen footage of january 6th. this time showing vice president pence's leadership that day. was he communicated with top lawmakers about securing the capital.
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-- when my selection is never before seen footage from january 6th that we want to show you tonight. we saw small portion of it earlier in the documentary clip of the january six committee played a small portion of it today. but this is a larger piece, it involves the role play on january 6th on by mike pence. -- president that day, because the sitting president had, in essence, canaan will. not just from the decision-making standpoint, as bob woodward put it earlier, the presidency has a moral component to it to. this video is a phone call it occurred about 6 pm on the day of the attack. >> [inaudible] i'm at the capitol building, i am literally standing with the chief of police of the u. s.
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capitol police. he just informed me what you all here through official channels, paul irving [inaudible] will inform you that their best information is that they believe that the house and the senate will be able to reconvene in roughly an hour. >> great. >> they also confirmed to me they have thousands of law enforcement, they are confident that they can secure the [inaudible] adam speak, are going to communicate to you [inaudible] securing the house. he will explain to you the process for reentering. but steven has told me that he [inaudible] be in a provision to reconvene with the house in roughly an hour.
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>> got it. >> thank you. >> senate as well, senate as well? >> senate? >> yeah, i just communicated, i'm gonna give senator huber a call. >> i'm here, i'm here. i'm here, mister vice president. >> yeah -- >> senator is also here. >> [inaudible] i am just giving you a heads up, sergeant of arms [inaudible] i was very pleased to hear from the chief -- >> yes ma'am, what is going on? [inaudible] when a speaker, you will be able to retain me in the house in roughly an hour. >> that's good news. >> the sergeant of arms will be in touch, that's a process for getting members back in the building. >> great, okay, thank you. >> thank you very much, mister
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vice president. that's good news. i will see you in an hour. >> thousands of law enforcement on the campus, they are confident they can secure the campus for reconvening. >> thank you very much, mister vice president. that is very helpful. thank you. i look forward to seeing you in an hour or two, thank, you bye-bye. >> join me now to discuss what we just watched, cnn senior political commentator dave max rod, surge as senior adviser to president obama -- david, you certainly know a lot about security protocols. working in the obama administration, what went through your mind as you watched this footage, seeing and hearing congressional leadership trying to manage this crisis? >> well, you know, yes i have experience. notice that experience like this. we've never seen anything like it before. what was striking was them working as one. there seemed to be, everyone instantly understood that we have got to get back in there and finish this, we can't get runoff by the mob. and that was republicans and democrats. that was the first thing that struck me. but the other thing was having worked on the other five pennsylvania avenue, you know, i am thinking about the president of the united states sitting there, it would have been unthinkable, you know, nancy pelosi said what i was thinking. if this were the pentagon or the white house, there would be instantly there would be the manpower necessary
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to restore order. we saw what happened, -- a different kind of thing. but when the president wanted to do a photo op at the church, they cleared lafayette park pretty quickly. so, you know, it is stunning, it is really really stunning to see that. >> nancy pelosi -- acting secretary of defense. well, imagine this where the pentagon or imagine this was the white house and how quickly you would get troops there and you would get protection there. she is talking about the capitol hill. >> yeah what is very evident in that video is shock, frustration, the idea that you could be calling cabinet member after law enforcement figure and get this sort of bureaucratic response instead of a call to action, which seems very obvious. it underscores something that liz cheney said in her opening statement about how, at so many points, there were just a few of people who said no or slow walked or declined some request
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from the white house. the takeaway lesson could be, for a donald trump or the next person who attempts this that you just need to install the right person in the right seat will say yes. right, who want does not take the phone call or stumble upon the phone call will actively disregard. i think that is really significant thing to think about, because it means it doesn't matter this kind of overwhelming at the capitol police, et cetera. the next time around it could just be a cakewalk through the actual >> well that is actually the story of this whole saga. process. >> yeah. >> we learned just how important people of good will in these positions means to avoid a catastrophe and >> well that is actually the story preserving the
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institutions. >> i love goodwill, but distressed has a stress test. and this shows that the system has some very serious problems, never mind the fact that this was just pure chaos. right? >> yeah. >> i have to say that thing that shock to me is seeing a number of republicans who were in that room, people who later on were only too happy to, you know, not vote for impeachment or to speak out against even this house select committee process. >> and david, to hear vice president pence at that point -- >> yeah. >> certainly rise to the occasion and be calm and stay on scene and help -- going to be runoff by this. but >> well, we have heard these, yes, he understood that he was the principal target along with pelosi of this mob. so yes, he is collected. he, too, could apparently have that same determination that we are not going to be runoff by this. but the other thing, anderson, when you see the sort of aggregation of all of this footage, it really underscores, again, how close we came to a complete tragedy. to having the leadership of this country decapitated at the instigation, certainly as the president of
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the united states stood by and watched on television. >> yeah, i mean, the personal nature of the attacks against speaker pelosi, against vice president pence. i mean, there is no doubt what the mob would have done to either of them had they've been able to catch them. >> i think that's why the lawmakers were so focused on getting back to the work of doing the peaceful transfer of power, because there was no doubt on that day what the delay was supposed to be. no one said, oh that really really got out of hand. for months and weeks we had been hearing the president ramp up his rhetoric. so on that day, even i think pelosi's daughter filming, it speaks to the idea that lots of people were worried about what would happen on january 6th. >> but watching pence and pelosi in their determination in the face of those threats was impressive. >> yeah. >> they were focused on their responsibilities and that was encouraging. >> from the moment
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they are being evacuated they are talking about getting back in, they are not looking out, they are not -- >> yes -- >> calling their friends. they are saying, we can't let this stand. but thank you both so much. note, one additional video you haven't seen yet, when we come back. before we, i want to think nancy pelosi -- hbo for providing us with six ordinary video that you saw tonight. if you can see all of it you want to see it, again you can find it at cnn. com, there is yet more exclusive video which will bring you tomorrow night on the program, including a second phone call between speaker nancy pelosi and vice president mike pence. a note on the additional video we come back. ♪ before... & bath fitter. before.. & bath fitter. if you have a "before" bath, now's the time to call bath fitter to get a beautiful "after." with our unique tub over tub process, there's no mess or stress. spend smart on a beautiful new bath done right, backed by a lifetime warranty. join over 2 million happy customers who know: it just fits. bath fitter visit bathfitter.com to book your free consultation. ♪ ♪ [ coughing/sneezing ] [ door knocking ] dude, you coming? alka-seltzer plus powermax gels
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