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how congressional leadership was scrambling to save the capitol as rioters were running wild, here's moment speaker of the house nancy pelosi was talking to then acting attorney general jeffery rosen about the risk to human life. >> concern we have about personal. >> safety. >> personal safety is just transcend everything but the fact is on any given day, theory break the will you in many different ways. . >> i mean, that's a part we think about how this will have lasting consequences that was kind of the meat of the matter for so many people watching it real time the idea of what's the doj going to do about this this question lingered. i appreciate it in terms of being able to see the true feelings in that moment, not that i agree with violence but the idea here when you heard speaker pelosi in this never before seen footage, you see her talking about in this raw state of emotions what that he planned to do if the then president went to the capitol.

you got to see this. >> secret service said they have to dissuaded him from coming, they told him they don't have to resources to protect him here, at the moment,s that not coming. but that could change. >> come on. punch him out. >> i would pay to see that >> we're waiting for this for trespassing on the capitol grounds. go to jail, be happy. >> why that was so poignant, not that i support the statement, but it was the idea of -- that's why documentaries are so important, it was the are you emotion of what you felt the camera was there, what was really going on? that's what me as a member of electorate, viewer wanted to know what were you thinking? we know what we were thinking in the moment. watch in horror. >> i think this documentary footage so valuable on so many levels, historically as well as setting record straight, there were all sorts of right wing

host who pried to pivot away from responsibility, what was nancy pelosi doing that day? where was she? let me just remind everybody of the course >> what did you do on january 6? did you do anything. >> it's laughable now, what she was doing, we've seen all the various leaders around her of congress trying to get back in there, trying to certify vote but i'm so glad this exists to tell the radio hosts of the world what was she doing every men? she was fighting that mob somehow. >> she was fighting it's unbelievable. >> tell us what you think please tweet it as allison camarato and coats, here's what a viewer was telling us, this was heartbreaking i think of president john kennedy's quote the ignorance of one voter in democracy mares the security for

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. the january 6 select committee voting to subpoena is the former president for his role in the capitol insurrection. >> he must be accountable. he is required to answer for his actions. he's required to answer to those police officers who put their lives and bodies on the line to defend our democracy. he's required to answer to those millions of americans who votes he wanted to throw out as part of his scheme to remain in power. so it is our obligation to seek donald trump's testimony.

>> and they voted unanimously to do that, let's bring in margaret and jim miller, that was quite finale, each unanimously and by voice voted that they are got subpoena donald trump. >> for sure, it was a historic moment, it paves the way for the potential of that committee to make criminal referrals all the way up to the former president. liz cheney said that's what they would do but suggested they were preparing to make certain criminal referrals, it brought under the spotlight the evidence that essentially. every single person in town that day who work congress or the white house except for former president trump knew violence was going to happen and begging him to call everybody back to pull everybody back. that's important. i don't know what the end result is going to be. i don't know what the short term political implications will be. i don't know what the 2024 implications will be, but we will see all of that unfold in

the next few weeks. >> just you know, we think about when i heard the president being subpoena asked, there's a track record for this, i don't think the odds in vegas are in fairview he'll show up. there's chance he did complain about not having a chance to speak his mind for either impeachment, and complained of mccarthy about not having his say, look at this timeline if you will, about what it took to hold, say, steve banning in contempt. it was issue on the 23rd of september, he was indicted on november 12th, the trial was happened in july, the senate thing is october. nearly a year of at one time, we're like 26 days away from the mid-term election, not a year away from the new congress being installed, when you think about the odds of the former president complying, where are you. >> i look at this with two sets of eyes, one is legal and one practical, from a legal

perspective, put aside the fact that he has a duty under the law to comply. we all know that that doesn't mean anything to him. but no defense lawyer would recommend him to do this, the evidence is too overwhelming. >> to testify >> to testify. but from a practical perspective and you hit on this in the last panel be careful what you wish for, if you're the committee, you have to understand that donald trump would love the circus, he would love the theater. would he love the mega phone and so if you're the committee, you better have a plan for teaming this tiger who's going to talk overtime committee and get his points across's use it as an opportunity to motivate his base >> you're not going to have a chance to do with what jimmy thomas did, no audio or video recording. >> why not. >> they should have. >> he martin strike a deal. >> it's the committee's decision, but my guess is he's going to make it difficult.

if he's going to do it at all. ap sensible person would listen to his or her lawyer, but donald trump, who knows >> you want to have a deal like that? it depends on if they really, really want the information the documents or if they want to have it on the public record in front of everybody. that just depends what their calculous is if they would make deal like that, i'm not saying i want that, i want cameras everywhere, following everybody around altogether >> it's what we do. >> let's play another dramatic moment from what we've seen this new documentary shot by alexandra pelosi, nancy pelosi's daughter shooting document how there was going to be a peaceful transfer of power. here's the moment where nancy pelosi is being ushered out of her office under, obviously, threat to her life.

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>> how chilling to watch that, has to make the hair on your law enforcement neck stand up watching that. >> it does. if you look at it from that standpoint from protectors to be able to protect these people, keep them safe, get them into a safe place with that incredible mob outside, if you also look at it from the wider ap cher after a year whens police probably took the worst beating in terms of public image in the hesitate of policing, at the end of the day when it came to defend democracy the national guard wasn't going to be there for a long time turned out to be cops and they paid for it >> seeing the sole capitol police officer at the top of the stairs with the deluge coming at him and trying to deflect them,

incredible bravery. >> think about where we are and we'll have elections again and again if it's a republic if we can keep the which mean you're going to have now the need to protect not just what's happening, talking about the capitol but individual polling stations got election official whose are being threatened, there's a moment that congressman liz cheney ways today things like this set the tone helping people understand why this was a clear and present danger, listen to what she talks about that were the human forces that were the impediments to everything going on. >> why would americans assume our constitution and our institutions and our republic are in vulnerable to another take? why would we assume that those institutions will not fall ter next time? a key lesson of this investigation is this, our institutions only hold when men and women of good faith make

them hold regardless of political cost. we have no guarantee these men and women will be in place next time. >> in fact, margaret they may be learn blueprint, maybe i didn't have somebody that has a spine next time. maybe that's the method, there are crucial elections for secretary of state, attorney general around the country and everything you said falls into those buckets i think another piece of what congress woman cheney is talking about the reality is that the american voters now have had months of hearings with video and testimony showing the former president's northeastern georgia, culpability, what actions he took and didn't take, he's still the leader of the republican party, still according to survey research intense support from large chunk of the republican base, if these panels conclude and we go to

2023 and still emerges as the front runner for the republican party, that's a huge test. >> she already said that, i think that the larger point is the system is not stronger didn't get stronger as a result of this, there's a whole wrath of election liars who may -- who could possibly be about to win over site of state elections, so secretaries of state, we know this, in arizona i could go on and on, it's not as though after this we've batoned down the hatches and made sure this could never happen again, do you worry? it could be easier the next time. >> i think it will be easier the next time, unfortunately we have 300 election deniers on ballots across the country, a republican party led by donald trump who is still deeply popular and after all of this, the american public has not been sway asked, there's just a report today in the new york times that recent polls

show that the numbers are also identical in terms of the people who believe the election was stolen and people that believe that trump is real president before the hearings and after the hearings and people aren't listening that's the terrifying part. >> what about the law enforcement aspect of it you mentioned it had quite a year over time in the, couple months there's been calls to get rid of the fbi, to defund it, the idea of the execution of a search warrant on mar-a-lago? you think about knows two to what you're seeing in the brutal attack against law enforcement trying to help members of the capitol and inside the police and also members of congress? what is this bode for the future of law enforcement? >> i mean, it's very interesting, you know, i listened to i try to spread myself out to hear all sides of this, i listen to a lot of talk radio what you saw is within 48 hours of executing a lawful search warrant signed by a

united states magistrate based on probably cause laid out under oath and affidavit, in response to that, donald trump took to social media and raised 2 million dollars in two days from small donations from among 70 million people who voted for him and a large percentage who still support him. so the trust factor is very broke end there, i think if you'll pull the bright side of everything we saw today and the other hearings, but allison everything you said is true, what did we see? there are no two people on the planet earth who are mr. politically polar opposite than nancy pelosi and mike pence, when we're talking about parade of terribles that could follow with election med delling in the future and pepper tooty with saw brave people who agree on nothing but agree that the process must pre veil. >> it was a human moment wish well. we have lot more to talk put

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spokesperson accusing democrats accusing them of partisan theatrics but how does the base feel about the subpoena and hear dag? let's bring in mark davis a radio talk show host in dallas, thanks so much for your time. did your listeners watch what happened today, and what did they tell you? . >> oh, i think it has become a bit of a habit among the conservative audience to not pay an enormous attention to day-to-day going on i'm guessing viewership wasn't high, i watched but the interesting happening across sort of the conservative talk radio base, if you will, is that there's no denying this is probably and some had effect, it's not the desired effect of liz cheney and king anger and everybody and he really is an insighter of violence an insurrectionist. everybody knows january 6 was terrible, the rioting was terrible, the attempt to place

this into a broad agenda on trump 75 million voters that's not going over and not going to change. >> when you say an effect, what effect. >> i think it has to be true that months and months of this drum beat here's the latest wheels off crazy thing that happen and trump failure to come up is promptly some of us might have liked adds to the image of a chaotic white house, and if that flashes forward, to the prospect of a chaotic candidacy if he should offer himself up in 2004, some folks who lover every day in trump presidency kind of thinking about desantis, as soon as i say that there may also be an acknowledging boomerang effect where a lot of people who may have grown a little luke warm about trump may have seen the maliciousness of the january 6 might want to vote for him more

>> i have a daily radio show and listen to caller whose talk about what you're saying on all side. one they don't want to listen to it in part they think you're talking about but others say i can't believe that people are tuning out of this so important, i wonder in your audience, thinking forward, fact they have now subpoenaed donald trump, does it poke the bear in a way that makes members of the jury talking about say, i want him to testify, i want him to talk, i'm sick of them talking about him. or does it say don't bother? what is your take. >> those are great multiple questions let me take them in order or reverse. randomly. there's no way he's going to testify you and i and the dog sitting is over there knows there's no way he'll testify. talk show host in my and in you probably things it's a pretty interesting idea , pretty interesting day, does the indictment, the 9-0 shock vote

on the indictment does that move the needle, if the definition of moving the needle is having people change their opinion, that's a colo sal no, today is no different than any one of 100 days gone by people who don't like trump, love these hearings, fixated. the people who admire them, view them as partisan witch hunt and i don't think that change >> how about the documentary footage we're watching shot by speaker pelosi's daughter and seeing them behind the scene, scalise, mccarthy, mcconnell, along with all the leaders the democratic leaders, what did you think of that? . >> it is absolutely bone chilling to be taken inside the capitol as all of that nightmare was unfolding, interestingly, as if we gather 100 people and say watch this. i think everybody is a human being will be repelled and shocked and have that how can

this happen kind of idea. then some people will want to say, trump did that. and that he's absolutely responsible for that and the other half will say no, he's no. that's terrible but all the fixation on the minutia how horrible this was does or does not lead to smear the trump legacy for it so for some folks it will work and others it's not. >> you're talking buy incremental, it's been a couple of months we heard from the committee. they ten to do the big picture, why do you think it's still viewed as incremental, it's not quite a 10,000 foot view but not quite incremental. >> it has been an interesting sort of, when committee started out, again and i don't mean to bulkize and compart mental land slide everything, hello, welcome to america, everybody that hated trump guts will say it's the

aggravate thing since sliced bread and the people admittedly hate what happened own january 6 but don't blame trump view it through june dissed eyes. i think as election draws nearer there's a more intense desire on the part of trump's critics something to stick to him while rest of the people probably going to turn out and be part of the republic way, if that happening are just looking, they're look at the democrat party and saying inflation, borders, crime and you were talk climate change gender on january 6. nice talking to you, everyone today's january 6 hearing is expected to be the last before the mid-term election that happen next month. wondering quick question to ask mark will trump's subpoena or other revelations have an impact on voters, who is some of you are saying, one said january 6 was able to happen because no one expected such behavior.

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l. the january 6 making final argument before the mid-terms about routes at the capitol, let's bring in scott jennings, margaret is back with us, scott start with you for the republican view, one of the things i was struck with was hearing how senator mitch mcconnell and vice president pence were just as determined if not more so as nancy pelosi and chuck schumer to make it happen that day.

the phone calls that were going back, mitchell really want him to happen, we have to find out how to get back into the capitol. we have to get back there. vice president pence was working on it. what do you think the republican take away from today is. >> well, i don't know where to start, start with mcconnell, i heard him say many times since that day that his first thought was we have to go back to work tonight. continuity of government. keeping the constitutional gears turning this is our primary responsibility to the american people. the first thought and he and the rest of the leadership worked together to make that happen, for as terrible as january 6 was, there is some silver lining about how the system held because of people in both parties who made hold together. number one. number two, average republicans looks at this today, look, i think all the minds are made up. i think in everyone's heart, they saw it unfold live on tv, they know exactly what happened, they know exactly who's responsible for it and whether

they're willing to say that out loud or not, will vary from person-to-person but i don't believe there's a person around who watched this unfold live on television who doesn't know exactly what happened and exactly who held the system together that day. >> also not a person watching today who's not exactly aware of the suit that he's wear now and what's happening over here, that's a big take away. >> that's your take away. >> there's a silver lining. >> first of all i had plans tonight. i had things to do, i had a gala dress, ok? and so i mean just happy to be here with you guys >> i fit you all in my schedule. i'm sorry. >> what is your take away aside from look. >> actually, i think, thank you. i think that scott is actually correct i don't know if i've ever said that on national tv. >> you haven't and i thank you. but i would like to give great deal credit to the fortitude of mitch mcconnell and nancy pelosi. nancy pelosi showed herself to be what we all know she is, a

bad ass, and whether or not a democratic or republican, black or white from the liberal bass chicken of san francisco or from the depths of conservativism in south carolina, i think people have a respect for the courage and fortitude that nancy pelosi shows, people may disagree with her politics as long as all day long, but they will say that she is one courageous woman, who you saw in that video, whether or not it was taking on a protest or donald trump, she showed that fortitude and you have to give props to mitch mcconnell as well for making sure he was there to do his duty. question is that can you imagine kevin mccarthy and nancy pelosi's shoes and i don't think he can wear those heels the same way he does. >> it's funny you say that, for all peak who say leaders of the congress are too old between mitch mcconnell and nancy pelosi, that this video that we've watched behind scenes we've experienced comes this cool collectedness that i can't imagine anybody else pulling off.

for hours, they were just on phone got to make this happen. while they were watching tv, new they're breaking in, can you believe this they're break ongoing the windows be they weren't screaming, panicking like i would have been and i was struck by. >> even she was even eating a slim jim, while talking, i mean, they really were remarkable under duress, they knew exactly what they had to do as much as you can know what you have to do with something that's never happened before in your life is happening and essentially knew exactly how to do it talking to each other, trang lating constantly being in touch. extraordinary to see the image with the pelosi with the phone on speaker and mike pence on the other line and trying to figure out how to hold it together and one thing i couldn't stop thinking about that's how everybody was supposed to behave including the president of the united states and it just drew into some stark contrast that missing piece of the puzzle. >> the point was you commend the

courage and no matter what side of aisle you're on, can both be true? can you commend the courage, tenacity and resolve of speaker pelosi and not condemn the lack thereof of donald trump? >> they're not both true, look, he violated his oath of office. i mean, your oath of office as president of the united states is to preserve, protect and defend the constitution, now, pelosi and mcconnell and the leadership were doing that that day and i think their experience, near longevity and experience collective that will day is was allowed them to be calm but allowed them to see clearly the mission and the mission was we have to go back in between the. can you imagine? can you imagine if they had not and we, and the sun had gone down and come up went then. >> or even gone off sight. >> the people who ransacked the capitol would have had a foot hole. i don't know, we're all schedule now, had they not gone back in

and that would have been terrible, and that was the goal knock train off track long enough to create uncertainty. >> can we talk about clear contrast, when you see people like josh holy, for example, who wants to be president of the united states, ted cruz who want to be president of the united states, even tom cotton, you see these lines of individuals. what you don't see is the fortitude and courage and the clear eyed view that even mitch mcconnell and nancy pelosi had and what's going to happen is they're going to be primaries around of this country and i think one of the things this january 6 committee has shown sis there is a lit news test for courage and standing up for democracy, people will say if you were in that position, he don't would you behave and react? i sincerely believe josh holly ted cruz fill that test over and over again. >> do you believe this really plays into the mid-terms? meaning like, so, i mean, i don't know anybody who says

january 6 is at the top of my list. but democracy is. >> so do you think that well, let me ask you, do you think this plays >> there's no evidence that it is a top overwhelmingly most voters list. the mid-terms for most voters the research tells us is about the economy, maybe about crime, and about abortion rights. is this a factor? could it be a factor if the super narrow in pennsylvania or nevada? perhaps, my sense is that it's a bigger issue for the. >> this will be adjudicated in 24. i think voters have clear and present problems they're dealing with today, but the commander in chief test will be put to everybody in 24. >> respectfully i believe you're wrong, in important races throughout the country this will play an important role, issuing erica, secretary of state and attorney general, now, this, i don't think this affects who controls the senate and who

controls that house of representatives, but i've always argued most important job in any state is the attorney general. for example, the attorney general in georgia, that's going to be an important race, the attorney general and secretary of state in arizona, the attorney general in nevada these will be important race where is the questions that are -- that come from this january 6 committee are going to have to be answered in a way that satisfies people who watch this. so maybe the house and u.s. senate >> i agree but i don't have a sense whether voters will take those implications to the ballot box and split tickets on questions like secretary of state and attorney general but the implications without a doubt are hugely important? that comes no play when you ask anybody to tell you who won in the election. >> american liver foundation tonight and joseph a banks, i wore this when i got married. >> same one. >> it's very handsome. >> paid student loans, this is all i had.

>> no argument from us. i can fit into my wedding -- i'm good with it. thank you very much. i don't know why you laugh at that comment. should not have gone over that same way. excuse you. coming up next, in florida, recommending life in prison without parole for the school shooter who murdered 17 people. many of whom were student in the park land shooting, sparing him from the death penalty. families are outraged and devastated. tell us what you think. tweet us at allisoncamarato

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jury in florida recommending a life sentence without parole for the parkland shooter nikolas cruz, remember he pled guideline last year to 17 counts murder and 17 counts of attempted murder in the 2018 valentine's day shooting at marjorie stoneman douglas high school, the decision outraging many members of the victims families. >> today's ruling was yet another gut punch for so many of us who devastatingly lost our loved ones on that tragic valentine's day, he should have received the death sentence today. >> if not now death penalty? then when? . >> the impossible not to have your heartbreak to have so many times since that horrible day, here's what i want to ask you

with your legal background. the families, of course, want justice, wanted the death penalty but there was a whole school of mitigating factors that the jury was shown about the gunman, nikolas cruz extensive everything from he had developmental disorder associated with prenatal alcohol exposure, witnessed death of his adopted mother shortly before the crime. he had all sorts of disorders and impairments mentally ill suffered food deprivation throughout his childhood. food deprivation, don't those make sense as mitigating factor do we put people to death who has that list from their child. >> the question really is, what it means to have these aggravating versus mitigating factors, essentially it's a way of saying look are the reasons that you should get the death penalty outweighed by why i want to spare your life and the mitigating factors are what you're talking about.

number one on the list for jury to look at was he is a human being, that was the one thing they put on the list things, reason it's important is because we took one person on the jury to think that one of these things did not outweigh the decision to have the death penalty. it's got to be unanimous. these are mitigating factors but the question and for the families is, wait a second, i can give you a list of the reasons that my daughter, my son should live, i can give you a reason things maybe they've been through in their lives, is that enough what he went through to put me through what i've done? i think that's where the outrage comes in but i think allison as much as people talk about the death penalty as something that obviously part of our society, people are really more conflicted than unlike. when it comes to the decision of a jury to say, you need to die, that's not a place everyone want to be. >> the question that mom asked, if not this casings when? if you're not given death penalty for killing 17 people in cold

blood, ruth lesley some details that came out how he killed some of these students is obviously sick ending then when i believe that's a fair question. >> i was on ground 5:a.m. the next morning after this parkland shooting reporting and every single person told us there were red flags abounding about this kid. everybody knew he was a deeply troubled kid. he was violent with animals, there were all sorts of red inflations, they were calling him the school shooter before this happened. >> what you're calling a red flag for a jury asked to figure out whether the red flags are enough to punish him, and enough to send him to the death penalty, those red flags are apparent i think that factored in. i'm not going to define justice for these families, i'm not going to sit here and decide i know what's best based on a reading of the law. when it comes down to it, even

the federal government has had moratorium on death penalty, remember when the attorney general merrick garland was asked about death penalty, he changed his mind about it because all the different things that come out about how it is carried out. that plays into it. >> and so this one had to be unanimous for him to get the death penalty and it wasn't because three jurors said no. it's heartbreaking obviously for the families over and over, they will be able to make victim impact statements about how they feel about all of this on november 1st >> the jury said this but the judge has to actually make a final in the call. >> so we're talking a lot about parkland more after the break our panel will weigh in on the jury's recommending of life without parole but not penalty. we'll be right back. ♪. ♪.

back with our panel now talking about the parkland mass shooting and what the jury decided today, they decided for life without parole but not the death penalty. we were talking about this, that were 41 mitigating factors. most of them having to deal with his mental illness and disorder, why isn't that sort of by reason of insanity he's spared

>> that's an interesting question, let me just say this, i actually feel like the public policy issue of the death penalty is one of the more conflicting public policies we have, i firmly believe that dylann roof or the parkland shooter if we're going to add a death penalty reached the threshold of being killed by the state. problem with that as we all know is that the state is not in fallible. they make mistakes and you cannot have a death penalty where people make mistakes, he was mentally ill, no question and the prosecutor and defense in this case did a good job of highlighting that, the defense said in this country, par paraphrasing do we kill mentally ill people? and the jury sounding no said no, we do not. i sit here and try to put myself in the shoes of those parents and it's a very, very difficult decision but you have to respect it. however, if we're going to have

a death penalty, i mean, i agree with desantis on this, if we're going to have a death penalty this is somebody we should have the death penalty for. >> i want to be clear, we're talking about mental health, there's such a stigma surrounding mental health and this country and the globe, the idea is not equate with doing what this person has done, be careful i know you're not saying this, he did not, he is not guilty you know, not guilty by reason of insanity he did not make that legal plea, what it would take to show that you are insane and have an insanity defense, pleaded guilty. he didn't push for that, whether you think it's problematic or not that's why it's socon convoluted. this is a tragedy for every parent and person it touched . >> all of us who watched it.

this left a stain on america. >> sandy hook, park land, uvalde, it's the two of the most potent sort of violence related issues at the moment, one is gun violence and mental health issues, and the other is cream, which is becoming a potent issue ahead of the election, joe biden has said as candidate during the campaign that he would fight to end the death penalty at the federal level. to end the death penalty but is that the argument you'll take foot closing three and a half weeks before the mid-term elections? possibly, individuals are so conflicted about this, even if you don't believe in the death penalty you believe that -- parent are conflicted about this, policy makers are

conflicted about this, it's. >> ways on twitter, our responses today, look at, there's one in favor and one person said of course the parkland families are teenagered that does not mean the system did not work. another tweet it is an outrage the parkland shooter was spared the death penalty when his victims got death. there's another one talking about the conflicts talking about, what do you think. >> i i am very conflicted on this issue like bicari, it's hard not to feel conflicted i get to go home and these parents don't, i can't begin to comprehend what it's like for them and what's justice for those people. attempt i've sat out here, bicari had on many days where we've had criminal justice matters where juries have been involved and argued the same thing every team, if we're going to have institutional integrity and trust in institutions juries have to be respected.

even when they make decisions that don't make us feel good or that didn't come out the way you thought in this jury made a decision, it's easy to disagree with what a jury did here but i do think in many of these emotional cases institutional integrity matters but boy in this case, if there ever were going to be one for the death penalty i don't know how it wouldn't be this one, we were talking in the break about the guy, and walk shaw if there ever was going to be one this is to be one i keep returning to the idea of a jury of american citizens >> thanks so much for being with us, talking about all of this. >> thank you, everyone for watching. >> our coverage continues.