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keeper of keys and grades at hogwarts. of course, you know all about hogwarts. >> sorry, not. >> bliemy, harry. >> learned what? >> you're a wizard, harry. >> beloved man. tonight the actor who played harry potter, daniel radcliffe, paying tribute writing coletrain kept us all laughing. wonderful to see that the camera doesn't lie. he was 72 years old. thanks so much for joining us. ac 360 starts now. good evening. tonight we have more never before seen video from january 6th from inside the secure location where congressional leaders were scrambling to continue the peaceful transfer
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of power. we begin in georgia where the only debate in the race has just wrapped up. it took place three days before voting begins. warnock won his seat in the 2020 election. warnock is a pastor. herschel walker running on a family values platform is currently involved in a scandal of pressuring the mother of one of his children to have an abortion. >> a week before the debate a former girlfriend made public accusations that you paid for an abortion and encouraged her to have another. this week you said the
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accusations are, quote, all lies. can you explain the circumstances around these claims. you have 60 seconds. >> that's a lie. i put it in a book. one thing about my life, i've been very transparent. not like the senator. he's here things. at the same time, that's a law. on abortion, i'm a christian. i believe in life. i tell people this. georgia is a state that respects life and i will be a senator that protects life. i say that was a lie and i'm not backing down. we have senator warnock, people that will do anything and say anything for the seat, but i'm not going to back down. this seat is too important for the georgia people for me to back down. >> the patient's room is too narrow, small, cramped a space for a woman, her doctor and the united states of america. >> we are wondering what happens
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when the men pile into patient's rooms? you get what you're seeing right now. the women of georgia deserves a senator who will stand with them. >> herschel walker was given himself an opportunity to distance himself from the former president. >> did president biden beat -- >> president biden won and senator war not won. that's why i ran. we need people that's going to stand up for people in georgia. >> walker was asked about crime and we will see time and time again tonight as we've already seen, that my opponent has a problem with the truth.
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just because he says something doesn't mean it's true. i have supported our police officers. like those officers in dekalb county where they were killed doing what police officers routinely do. you can support them as i've done through the cops program, the invest to protect program and one thing i have not done, i've never pretended to be a police officer and i've never threatened a shootout with the police. >> now i have to respond to that. >> we are moving on, gentlemen. >> no, i have to respond to that. i have with many police officers -- >> mr. walker, mr. walker -- >> no, no, no. he said come with the truth. >> mr. walker, please, out of respect, i need to let you know,
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mr. walker, you are very well aware of the rules tonight and you have a prop. that is not allowed, sir. i ask you to put that prop away. >> this is not a prop. >> mr. walker, excuse me, sir. you're very well aware of the rules, aren't you? >> well, he brought up the truth. let's talk about the truth. >> thank you for putting that prop away. >> eva mckend is in georgia. can you explain what we heard in the last clip? >> reporter: well, anderson, senator warnock was speaking to reports that walker has long sort of embellished his law enforcement background. it seems like he was prepared for that tit-for-tat there knowing that he would get arguments that he has tried to defund the police, which he has not. you hear them exchanging in this. but all jokes aside, this was a pretty substantive policy
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debate. for the last several weeks walker has been doinged by the allegations that he paid for a for former girlfriend's abortion. you had walker trying to tie warnock to something which he objected to vociferously. he tried to tie himself to the republicans in the senate that he's willing to work with. take a listen. >> well, senator warnock said he has not stood up to biden. if he was standing up, he wouldn't have voted with him 96% of the time which gave us an open border. which gave us high inflation and which gave us crime in the streets. he's talking about standing up? he didn't stand up. you know that, senator. >> it is evident that he has a
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point that he tries to make time and time again. i stood up to the biden administration so they could keep open this center. i've worked across the aisle time and time to get good things done. the people with georgia, i worked with a republican senator to help get their products out to market. i will work for anybody and stand up to get good things done for the people of georgia. >> now warnock time and time given said walker has trouble with the truth, but that was the exsent to get into that. the only trial you can see the stark differences between the two on issues of great importance to them, whether that be health care, the economy or a
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wide range public safety also came up or a wide range of other local issues. anderson? >> despite all of walker's recent controversies, is there any sign that his support has decreased? >> well, we've been here for about a week or so and, no, not among conservatives. the true test will be among voters and are those republicans inclined to vote for walker. that's why when you responded, i didn't want any major gaps in between. at this point it's too soon to tell. early this indication hard core conservatives are not banning him. just to be clear, walker has
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never been named an honorary agent and a special could be county tharts. >> he's also the author of gop 2.0. lieutenant governor duncan, what was your reaction to what you saw tonight. >> my first take away was what we didn't hear and none responded in depth on the personal integrity side. it was interesting to watch them, warnock, senator warnock run away from any sort of biden attachment.
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your key take away, we wouldn't have heard something from the stock market. mortgage rates over 7%. i would have thought that's where you were going to head. he believes that or we have to go down, supporters of the former president? >> yeah. i sure hope donald trump isn't watching. this is a fight over the middle. we know what we have to do. so many people want to run a primary during the general election. it just wasn't working in a state like georgia. >> what role has abortion -- i'm not talking about the her shell
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walker allegations but row v wade v -- >> how much do you think that's going to drive votes at the polls? >> we've been having this my second year. the bill had the exemptions and we've been willing to have conversations. we spent a lot of time working on a foster care system. wrap around services for the 15-year-old. instead of screaming at her how to love on that individual. to me that's where the win is. it's not about yes or no and having caring and empathy. >> governor -- actually, you talked a lot, not to mention reading your book, about when the members should be here first
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era. >> yeah, i think we're headed straight down the path to a gop 2.0. certainly there's some chaos. i think he have republican is now we need real solutions to american, how do you budget in a way that doesn't create run away influence. border traffic jie. mental health. those are issues i think even democrats are starting to gravitate for, the g o2. >> lieutenant governor duncan, appreciate it. thank you. >> more behind 9 -- the scenes.
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there is a conversation between him and speaker pelosi starting with contingency plans operating from fort mcnair. >> we're still not going back and trying to penetrate the building and it's not a safe thing because we're trying to figure out how we can get this job done today. we taubd to mitch about it earlier. he's not in the room right now but he was with us earlier and said we want to expedite this. hopefully they can vote and then just move forward. we're at fort mcnair which has facilities for the house and senate to meet as a backup plan should anything happen that would warrant that. the logistics, we want to bring
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all the members of the house and senate anyway. we're just making a judgment. we'd rather go to the capitol and do it there but it doesn't seem to be safe. what do you think? have you spoke in terms of going back to the capitol? which is what we want to do, too. mitch was talking about going back to the capitol? no. well, we would like to go back to the -- i -- i -- that would be our hope as well. the security is telling us that it's going to be a while before the capitol will be able to do t that. we're being told it could take days to clear the capitol and that we should be meeting everyone here to get the job done. we may be getting different
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information, but that's what we're being told. chuck schumer's being told that. fort mcnair. yeah. mitch is here. we met with him earlier. >> we will not get the capitol cleared out for two, three days. we should do it here. >> i appreciate that. i appreciate that. it seems like the overriding wish is to do it at the capitol but we are being told very directly, it's going to take days for the capitol to be okay again. that would be great. yeah. very well. very well. we were unified.
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no partisanship, no anything. but i think -- okay. yes, because i think it's important for it to happen today. i think it's -- a while ago chuck and i called on the president to ask the people to leave the capitol. that hasn't happened yet. i'm hoping it will. clearly they're -- they're -- we're in -- we're at the mercy and don't have that much communication here, believe it or not. we're not seeing all the statements and the rest but i appreciate that. can you check and see what the realistic view is of when we would be able to go back to the capitol. we have democrats and republicans at a location on capitol hill and they're together.
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we're trying to finish this today. can't go home. you know, they can't go outside. they can't go home. so they either have to stay there and we go there. i just have to say that we've gotten a very bad report about the condition of the house floor with with defecation and all of that. i don't think that's hard to clean up but it's more from a security standpoint of everybody out of the building. we are disappointed that it took so long to approve the national guard. i'm glad to say that's -- the same, it takes -- we said, no, why don't you just put people in vehicles logistically to get
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there. there is leadership of the national guard at the capitol with the capitol police leadership but they have not been given authority to be activated so that -- you know, in other words, that leadership can be taking place simultaneous to people in trucks to the capitol. you're going to find out -- i hope so. okay. then call us back. okay. i worry about you being in that capitol building. >> speaker nancy pelosi telling vice president pence she worries about him being in the capitol. while she is chewing on a slim jim. andrew mccabe. andrew, is the first time we've seen that video. when you listen to that exchange between the house speaker and the vice president, i wonder
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what goes through your mind? >> you know, what impresses me, anderson, is it is really a lesson of leadership under intense pressure of an unfolding crisis, one that was unanticipated clearly by the congressional leadership and so you see leader pelosi really reacting the way you would hope a leader would react under pressure. she is concerned about the welfare and the safety of the people she's responsible for. she's concerned about the vice president's welfare and she's laser focused on the job that they need to get done, which is reconvening to complete the peaceful transfer of power. >> that's one of those that -- >> she's having trouble -- >> that's one of the things that really struck me. we were showing the video of her as she was going into fort mcnair, she's not freaking out about what is going on.
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she is laser focused, as you said, on we've got to get this job done. you know, how long is this going to take? do we reconvene somewhere else? when can we get back in? it's all about making sure the transfer of power happens. >> that's right. look, she's working the phones. she's calling the vice president. she's reaching out to the governors of surrounding states. she talks about calling the mayor of d.c. you know, none of that is in a pre-cooked plan. there's no, you know, manual that you take off the shelf that tells you how to do things, she is just racing in her mind to -- from one thing to the next, who can i get to help us here to make us safe and to get this job done tonight? it's really an incredibly impressive performance under pressure. >> it's interesting. there are some republicans who were attacking her early on suggesting perhaps that she was
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trying to delay a national guard response or that she wasn't, you know, as concerned about the attack on the capitol as it later seemed. it certainly puts the lie to any suggestion, i mean, she and schumer are both calling up governors desperately pleading. they're essentially trying to pressure the secretary -- the acting secretary of defense, kind of giving non, you know, clear answers telling him, well, imagine this was the pentagon. imagine this was the white house. you know, if it was in that case, you guys would have troops there. you would have this taken care of. >> sure. >> pretend the capitol is like that. >> yeah. it's incredible. i mean, she's -- she is pulling every string, right? she's reaching out to everyone who could possibly help and still in the middle of this -- being there. the capitol is under attack by thousands and thousands of armed, unruly insurrectionists
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and she's getting bureaucratic responses from the acting secretary of defense. >> i should point out steve scalise, congressman scalise, he had the audacity to -- i think he gave a press conference sort of indicate that go speaker pelosi didn't want the national guard called in, was trying to hold off the national guard and he was in the friggen room listening in to her on the phone. i mean, you see him in the video. none of the republicans want to be on this video that's being taken by alexandra pelosi. they don't want her phone calls to be heard. they don't want anyone to hear what they're saying. steve scalise was in the room and knew what nancy pelosi -- saw schumer and pelosi trying to mobilize national guard resources, trying to get, you know, city police resources mobilized. i mean, that's really sleazy. >> i mean, he and mccarthy are like happening on the edges of
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that conversation. they know what's going on. they weren't paying attention to the fact there was a video going on. what a resounding baseless nature of what's going on. this changes the official record of what we know was happening behind the scenes. fascinating document. i'm glad it's out. it's disappointing of steve scalise. more on this never before scene video, what they were discussing with the secretary of the army after rioters stormed the capitol. if you have a a "before" bath, now's the time to call bath fitter to get a beautiful "after." with ourur unique tub over tub process, there's no mess or stress. spend smart on a beautiful new bath done right,
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before the break you saw video aired from fort mcnair. nancy pelosi speaking with mike pence. they talked about the possibility that they might have to be brought to fort mcnair to finish certifying the elections. this never before seen clip, this next one, is from a short time later. you'll see speaker pelosi and the rest of the congressional leadership trying to determine how to proceed. >> planning -- go ahead.
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>> we're working through that, senator. the pieces are coming together. if we're going to get this done very shortly so you can get back to work. >> so you think we could get to the capitol by 9, 10 tonight and finish this? >> senator, i can't give an estimate how long it will clear. i don't have any people in the capitol inside. very complex operation. >> the sooner you can get us -- we have to make a decision whether to go back to the capitol, if it's safe, which we prefer, or do it here if it's not going to be safe for a couple of days. that's what we need to make a decision about. we must finish. you have to help us make that decision. >> senator, i just need a little bit of time. we just put the plan together. >> can you call us in a half hour? >> i will call you back in a half hour. >> great.
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thank you. >> thank you, mr. secretary. mr. secretary, i spoke to vice president pence and he was going to see because mitch wants to do it in the capitol but we're being told it could take days to clean it up and make sure there are no hidden, you know, bombs or anything there. but he was going to get back to me as to his evaluation shortly as well. >> madam speaker, that's why i need a little more time to make a better assessment. >> thank you, mr. secretary. thank you. >> i think pence will have an honest estimate. >> yeah. >> how long will it take to set up here? >> mike lizinsky -- >> gather all the members up. we'll do the same, buses, come down to this building. at that point we'll if it -- >> haven't you made that
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decision? >> we have to make that decision. i agree with that. >> let me ask you another question. let's say we finish at midnight, 1 in the morning. how is it -- are you going to bring them all back to the capitol? how do we look out for their safe at this? >> we will have time and move on with this democratic process. joining us, garret graff wrote "raevyn rock." we see speaker pelosi, communications were obviously not ideal as to someone who knows all about that? is that the best there is? >> yeah. this is some incredible audio
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and video that we're now getting of what it was like to be in these rooms. i mean, you never see u.s. government officials. continuity of government and continuity in all of american history. most americans don't realize that there is, in fact, a backup facility for the capitol at fort mcnair. that's why nancy pelosi, chuck schumer and other leaders was taken to the community, congress realized it needs to build out an auditorium there and in theory these are facilities that
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are supposed to be, you know, highly capable of facilities for the highest incredible reality that most times in these emergencies the nation's highest leaders have tools that are about as good as those that are the rest getting into our pocket. >> these are not the same contingency plans in case of kalt a strof if i can event like a nuclear war, terror attack, right? >> they actually are. one of the reasons that fort mcnair was designated as the backup capitol, there are legal reasons and constitutional
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reasons, so it takes some special procedure to meet outside of washington, d.c.i itself. it was designated that congress could fall back to if the capitol was rendered inoperative by a terror attack. pe lows a nts. they're telling the acting secretary of defense, well, just think of this like it's the pentagon, like it's the white house, it's not. they don't need to come up. what would that even look like? >> yeah, i mean, the idea that the legislative branch would need its own paramilitary forces
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is not a sign of a healthy democracy. >> exactly. you know, this is sort of one of those things where if this was happening in a foreign country and you were washed the military desired whether i co -- when th deposed president's paramilitary forces tried to storm the capitol. we would have a much better and took place here. coming up next, an incredible item and we retook tragedy.y. so you can enjoyoy the life you've created. that's the planning effect. from fidelity.
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a lot of important moments on the war in ukraine. the biden administration authorized more money for assistance in ukraine. russia is burning through the high tech weapons and cannot secure replacements. this, the official says, is affecting the battlefield decisions. in kherson russian-backed officials are ordering an
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evacuation saying the russians will take the opportunity to, quote, repopulate the kherson region with zombies who are 100% loyal to moscow. despite this, they're meeting a strong russian defense. cnn international security director nick peyton walsh is on the front lines. >> reporter: night is when the push for the south busies. humvees speed the roads. incendiary munitions light up the light. air defenses around the russian-held heavily defended town just three miles south of here. it's the gateway to the big prize, the city of kherson where russia is already evacuating civilians and low on supplies. they say shelling has been noticeably less over the past month and a half probably because of the damage done to supply lines the russians need
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to bring munitions towards the front here. >> reporter: radio chatter they've intercepted between russians here is ammo running out and conscripts fleeing. in three days moving around the front lines here it's clear ukraine's movement forwards has met a hardened russian defense, even if they are low on ammo. on this tree line to the west, the russian paratroopers are under a mile away. new trenches are being dug and camouflage being laid out. nature is about to turn on both sides equally. >> so obviously in the winter the cover of the trees will be gone so there's a race here to
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cursor. they show us video of several impacts that day . >> reporter: in the villages out east in kherson, we see how fierce the fight for each village has been. ukraine is slowly moving forward but every farm is a slog, smoke going through the hills. bombs left here. nothing more to come back for if you once lived in these homes. i think they know what could be
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done. >> reporter: we've had a week of extraordinary bombardment. ukraine, anderson, he said in a rare meeting of what should being allied nations in kazakhstan, but had no information on it. at the same time there have been russian troops. they use talks as a pause to take their breath, regather, regroup and move onto the next military objective. at the same time i should say on the battlefield what we're around her, us, are we going to continue funding star link? where we've been over the past
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we desperately need more affordable housing, but san francisco takes longer than anywhere to issue new housing permits. proposition d is the only measure that speeds up construction of affordable new homes by removing bureaucratic roadblocks. while prop e makes it nearly impossible to build more housing. and the supervisors who sponsored e know it. join me, habitat for humanity and the carpenters union in rejecting prop e and supporting prop d
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to build more affordable housing we're debuting a new segment tonight that we'll be doing at the end of each week, where we remember the life of someone we recently lost. sometimes it will be someone well known, but more often it will be someone who wasn't in the headlines but whose deeds and legacy we want to honor. tonight we honor a man named jack thomas, who passed away earlier this month. >> editing the details of one's life is like editing the story for the final time. it's the last shot you have at making corrections, the last rewrite before the roll of the presses. >> most of us don't know when our time will come. life rarely gives us that. but it did for journalist jack
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thomas, when he was diagnosed with terminal cancer in 2021. doctors told him he had time, they measured not in years, but months. >> as newspapers go, death has a full-time job. and so, like many reporters, i've written a lot about it, about murders, about suicides, fatal accidents. and yet not every story about death has been depressing. >> after his diagnosis, thomas did what he said came naturally. he told a story about it, writing his final piece for the "boston globe" magazine entitled "i just learned i only have months to live: this is what i want to say." he narrated part of his essay for wbur boston. >> as my life nears the finish line, the list of things i'll miss grows. morning hugs from my wife, the laughter of my daughter and my son. there will be no more lazy afternoons aboard boston harbor
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aboard by sailboat, the butterfly, and no more surprise phone calls from buddies in boston who never hang up the telephone without saying, i love you, jack. >> jack thomas spent more than 50 years as a journalist, as a tv critic and ombudsman at the "boston globe," though his family says he preferred the title writer. they remember him not only for his devotion to "the globe" but his love of az husband and a father, which was boundless. >> in this final chapter of my life, i feel the same uncomfortable transition i saw as a teenager in new hampshire. i'm not sure what awaiting me, but this has certainly been an exciting experience. i have a loving family. i had a great career in newspapers. i met fascinating people. and i saw a myriad of worldwide wonders. it's been full of fun and lots of laughter too, a really good
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time. i just wish i could stay a little longer. >> thomas leaves behind his wife, geraldine, daughters, faith and jennifer, and his son, john. he was 83. tonight, we remember jack thomas. we'll be right back.
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