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>> we are a nation awash in conspiracy theories. this week, alex jones hit with a nearly $1 billion penalty for spreading disgusting lies about sandy hook families. the election lies that led to the capital riot were, of course, on full display when the january 6 committee laid out the case on thursday, but this next conspiracy takes the cake. >> first of all, would you believe that in some schools, i'm going to say, if students who identify as cats are using litter boxes out of bathrooms?

you shouldn't believe it. you shouldn't believe it, because it's not actually true. cnn's kval the date deep dive into the claim that has been made, and found that it's an internet hoax, but that, of course, has not stopped the claimant from taking off. >> in some of the school districts, so kids can be in them because they identify as -- they've lost their minds! they've lost their minds! >> they're embracing lies. i mean, literally embracing lies. okay, if some student wants to pretend like a cat and using litter box after school, that's their prerogative, whatever, but, no, the school and school resources and the other students and teachers should not have to be put through that, because it's a lie. >> my -- >> how is that happening? how is that even possible? why are conspiracy theories like this being taken seriously? so, listen. we're going to do this thing right now, laura, we're going

to try this thing -- it's time. and we're going to do something called dueling panels. so i'm going to start with my panel. we're going to put 5:00 up on the clock to tackle the kitty litter conspiracy, and then we're going to toss it back to laura, and we'll see if her panel can do any better. so here with me is kevin madden, who is mitt romney's presidential campaign, also cnn political commentator scott jennings and nina turner, who was co-chair of bernie sanders 2020 better than the pain. i know you guys are thinking, wait, i went to the politics for this? guess. yes he wanted, because this is really happening, okay? elementary school kids are not peeing in litter boxes, okay? scott, that's not happening. >> why are you addressing me? i've litter -- i've been defending this new york panel all night. we're harlem globetrotters. the other panel is the washington general. >> you're wasting time! politicians are falling for this. there's a republican gubernatorial candidate in minnesota who you just heard is falling for this.

there's another one in colorado is falling for this. how are they so gullible? >> it says a lot about how people process information in a very hyper partisan world, right? i mean, like, one of the things that's the hardest thing about combating this information, or disinformation, is just how strongly people want to believe it when it confirms a prior worldview that they have, and it confirms an us versus them mentality. and then you compound that with the simple fact that everybody has a supercomputer in their pocket where they can communicate with everybody instantly -- and shred that, and that's, and that's the amazing thing is that you have rational people who sort of search out irrationality when it comes to trying to confirm a lot of their political biases. and it's a very, very difficult problem for politicians. we saw that when we work on campaigns. when i worked on campaigns, this happened back in probably 2008, where, you know, voters would come to us at town halls in new hampshire asking about the superhighway, and we're sitting there going, what's the superhighway? how do we, how do we combat this misinformation? so it's very difficult. >> okay.

hold on. one thing, before you get there, because i do want to post this to you. it does seem that republicans fall this more than democrats. republicans fall for conspiracy there is more the democrats, yes? here's the covid conspiracy, adults who think that the covert outbreak was planned, republican 34%, democrats 18%. q and on, by party, republicans 43%, democrats. people who believe the election lies, republicans minogue, people who believe that biden is not the legitimate president, democrats, republicans. >> a lot of people believe in a lot of crazy things about george w. bush that were true either, so i agree with kevin that i think that if you have a prior view, like, in the case of these schools. if you believe that there are people in the schools who are making the schools into something crazy, so then, that your prior view, and then some of the things come -- it's just easy to just tack that on to what you already believe. so i do think that is happening.

i actually am preparing for this. research this today. there actually is kitty litter in school. you know why? >> because there's cats. >> no. because sometimes schools put it in there in the event of a lockdown or emergency situation, and if the students are in the classroom and they cannot get out and go to the bathroom -- so it's actually, in some schools, been used for the emergency purposes. >> that's actually really interesting, because you just proved that you can debunk something. you can debunk a hoax you can debunk something that sounds absurd by doing one minute of research on your phone. your thoughts on this? >> i mean, just a lot of distrust of institutions and the government that's really being peddled more often on the right. >> don't you think that republicans are more susceptible to conspiracy theories? >> i would say they have, they have networks that are much better, more disciplined at sharing this information, or aggressive at sharing this information. >> the pizza parlor where hillary clinton is supposedly running -- stop! democrats just don't -- don't spread that stuff. >> not on this network, but on a -- i see some crazy things

said on a nightly basis that come from the true fever swamps of the american -- >> are you serious? >> i'm serious. >> but this issue, i mean, it's hard enough for elementary school teachers to get them to line up in the hallway, to -- nobody, nobody is allowing children to use the bathroom -- kitty litter in the classroom. it's unsanitary. >> will further pretending that it's because these kids "identify as cats". i mean, with something like this, you have to get us -- and the fact that these two people running for governor in colorado and minnesota, that they fall for it. the lability is stunning. >> what's really crazy is, who would identify the? if you're going to identify as an animal, dog is really superior. just saying. just thawing it out there, if you're thinking of doing it. >> the dog? >> yeah. you go outside. they'll treat the schools. >> i see this has gone off the rails. bring it home, kevin. you've got 60 seconds, go.

>> look, again, this is one of those things where you're using that supercomputer to share misinformation. actually listened to the computer to actually research the information. >> well done, everybody. that's it, okay? laura, your panel can now see if you guys can get to the bottom of it. >> boo! >> i mean, does your panel need a supercomputer in their pocket to know that kids are not being on kitty litter? okay. research. okay, thank you, inspector gadget. go back to penny's little computer. they are -- margaret here. you guys, really? >> i don't think scott jensen actually believes that this is really happening, the children are peeing in kitty litter in the classroom. he's running in a state where a republican is not run statewide since 2006, right? and he is going to tap into whatever code switching he can come up with to say, okay, those people who, who might turn out to vote for me, this is what they're all talking about. i'm going to tell them, as a

doctor, that i actually believe and know everything they're saying. it's the equivalent, to me, the idea of razor blades in apples that go around every, you know, that theory that goes around every halloween. i have never seen one of the things, yet somehow, people here that there's a kernel of truth, it gets socialized, but somebody is putting those out, somebody's taking advantage of it, of all the lability and that somebody is leadership. >> well, why? you know, these people are triggered by pronouns. they're triggered by the fact that societies, like, going one way, and people are able to identify is something they're not born as. so then they take it further. they're like, do you know people are out there identifying us for his? that is not happening anywhere. kids are not using litter boxes in their schools. we know this. and i struggle with this a little bit, because i think if you give oxygen to these conspiracy theories on a national stage, then we're kind of giving credence to them. but i think it's important. i mean, this has changed people's lives. people have gone into rabbit holes in their lives, their

families lives have been changed, because they've got reddit and other forms at their fingertips where they're finding communities of people who believe the same bizarre stuff that they do. so -- >> but where is it originally? you were talking during the break about the idea of republican women being trained to be skeptical, and this has gone totally awry. >> totally susceptible to conspiracy theories. why? because i've made my entire career on the right. i can tell you, even at the collegiate level, it was sort of ingrained in how you come up in the young conservative world. let's question everything. question big brother. be skeptical of it. that healthy skepticism turned into full on, no, that is something that is happening, and even though it's not happening, that conspiracy theory seeps in and becomes a part of your daily life, because you were just inherently skeptical, and that's why women on the right are more likely to give rise to these conspiracy theories. sorry, give air to them. >> i feel like there's a parallel reality going on here, which is that most americans, until this week, had never heard of the kitty litter conspiracy theory, and, and maybe a lot of people watching the news now are like, what are

they talking about? but, like, quietly, for months now, in michigan and nebraska and iowa, in colorado, where else? in minnesota, right, but it takes, for this to go into sort of mainstream, to breach the wall from conspiracy theory to pop-culture discussion point, it takes someone like a joe rogan mentioning it, or something like a big network, news investigation about the issue. it's, it's, it seems like, funny or fun to talk about when it's kitty litter, but on a much more basic level, like, the -- as a journalist, i struggle a lot with how, how do you inform people who have already made up their mind about something that's nonsensical, or not based in fact? we've been dealing with is about the election life theories, we have been dealing about a lot of tenants of january 6th. >> covid-19, there was issues with the vaccines. >> duke university researchers, a couple of duke university researchers undertook this very interesting research assignment where they tried to understand

which kind of political combination group is most susceptible to misinformation. they identified a group they called lcc's. these were low conscientious conservatives, and it was -- they, their research found that this was, it's not that all conservatives -- it's not that all conservatives are more susceptible than all liberals or all centrists to conspiracy theories, but there was a particular subgroup the researchers found that were, had traits of both impulsiveness and of wanting to disrupt the status quo, being dissatisfied with the status quo, and wanting a disruption, and that group, what seemed to be the most susceptible to disinformation, because they didn't want to question or look for counter information, didn't respond to fact checkers. >> it starts with a kernel of truth, right? snake oil saloon is a term we all use now, but it's based in the fact that, actually, rattlesnake oil, in ancient chinese medicine, was used to

heal. and it turned into this big began a thing in the 1800s where grifters are capitalizing on this, this, this vague sensibility that people had a kernel of truth. when you get to socialize and connect that, and it helps people come to some answer of how the world works, that's what makes conspiracy theories so engaging and relevant. not just here in the united states. i mean, this is something -- >> you saw that my belt has a serpentine emblem on it. oh, it's prime time. allison? >> we're, we're a little jealous here, because your panel said really smart things, and hours went for the comedic effect, we felt. >> allison, i ended just now with my belt coming loose, like, i think i lost it for the panel. sorry, guys. i'm going to go ahead and buttoned this up. >> while. that's a good panel. if your belt flies off, that's a very, very good -- >> allison, we are flying by the seat of our pants! friday night in washington. >> well done, ladies. well done.

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this is just since last month. fruits, vegetables, everything is up. what do you think this means for the midterms? >> people are hurting, and we have to deal with the personal economy. that's most important. part of the challenge, though, is that corporations are gouging, at this moment. you have ceos on record saying, i prayed for inflation to happen. there's something wrong with that. and unfortunately, the republicans, although they say that they're the party of family values, they don't necessarily value pushing policies that actually help to lift the american people. this is one that, since 1978, the average ceo pay adjusted for inflation has gone up 1400% . the average worker? 18%. it is criminal, and it is actually crushing this country. >> before i let you respond to that, scott, here's what has happened to the average home price of $400,000 a year ago. the mortgage was about $1700 a

month, and then, now, it's $2400. so it's gone up by $712. >> what you can afford to do right now is much less than what you could afford just a few months ago. it feels like the country's off the rails, when you consider how fast it all happened, and, respectfully, republicans aren't in charge of the country. democrats are in charge of the white house, the house, and the senate, and disinflation has entirely happened on joe biden's watch. and in these campaigns all across the country, there is an attempt by the democrats to deflect blame for this, but not only did their spending policies cause the inflation, the inflation reduction act, which i can't even believe i'm saying out loud and dignifying that name by speaking it, did nothing. did nothing. in the georgia debate -- >> helping people in a pandemic

-- but it did nothing. >> okay, catherine? >> i disagree with almost everything that's been said so far. >> you disagree that there's inflation? >> no, i think there's absolutely inflation, but it's much more public and that either corporations suddenly remembering to be greedy or democrats spent too much money. it's a combination of things. i mean, you do have very expansionary fiscal and monetary policy, partly because of democrats, partly because of republicans, frankly. there was a lot of fiscal spending, both during the trump era and, and biden last year, and the fed kept rates too low for too long. and you have major supply chain issues. and when you have really strong demand hitting really constrained supply, that's going to drive prices up. so it's, it's obligated, and, and the solution is mostly involving the fed raising rates, but there are things that i do think that the president and congress could be doing to take some pressure. >> i also wanted to give us a status report on rages, because i remember that wages, so back, obviously, in covid days, the height of covid, have really

spiked. so, like, june 2020, wages were way up, and here we see wages versus inflation. i think the blue is, are the wages, and now that, they're crossing over. so where are we with wages right now? is it still an employee's market? >> wages are growing in nominal terms. so, by that, i mean, like, the actual dollars that appear in my paycheck have gone up, but the amount of stuff that those dollars can purchase has gone down. so basically, wage growth has not kept up with the rising cost of living. and this has been going on for over a year now in the united states. i should be clear that inflation is a global phenomenon. this is not only in the united states. i do think that there were some policy mistakes that were made that may have made it worse, but inflation is a global phenomenon, in part because the supply chain phenomenon are a global phenomenon as well. so, yeah. workers are hurting. they may be able to negotiate for higher races, but even those higher races that they are able to secure are not keeping up with the cost of groceries and the cost of gas and the cost of, of rent and

everything else that they had to pay. >> speaking of negotiating for higher wages, this is a sidebar issue, but it comes up from time to time, and i'm really intrigued by it, and its transparency of salaries. should you share with your coworkers what you make? because, honestly, transparency helps people bargain better and no better, but it also, i think, can increase resentment, and, like, no good can come of it. that one side says no good can come of sharing your salary with somebody else, sharing what the number is, and one side is, no, it helped everybody, actually deal with the bosses better. and i know that laura has some strong thoughts on, on that. so, laura, where are you with that? >> i, i do, but here's why i have some strong thoughts about it. first of all, i think that sometimes, the powers that be in different fields want people to be pitted against one another to be able to make the competition there.

but on the other hand, i can't help but say, in some respects, it feels like rich people problems, because most wage earners in this country know what one another is making, and they don't have the same constraints or conversations around how they have the power dynamic and negotiation power. on the same token, though, i absolutely see the value of being able to have people be transparent, and i see it in the sports world in particular, allison. we talked about this. look at, say, the nba versus the wnba, the idea of the major, you know, soccer teams, the men versus the women. this comes up to really demonstrate pay inequalities, how it takes women that much longer to be able to make what their male counterparts make, for black women and women of color to make that much what their white counterparts make. these are the conversations, more broadly, and i think you're right about transparency helping society in general. so let's start with you. what exactly are you making? >> see, here you go. this is exactly my point. it all sounds good, it's all great until somebody asks you,

oh, what are your thoughts? >> yeah, transparency, i think -- oh, how much -- no, i -- laura brings up a good point. i think transparency overall does help in the workplace, especially if workers have a plan to really fight against the bosses and, and really work really hard to make sure that they are making better wages. yeah. information is power. >> i'm an old-fashioned guy. when i was growing up, when we were kids, we ask somebody about money what they were making, we could get it he's like that -- >> we didn't talk about politics. >> i come from a family of democrats. they're not all democrats now, thank god, but, but we were taught, like -- this is not -- you don't ask people about this. i know it's a different time, and we all over share, you know, now everybody knows everything about everybody, and, but i just, i still carry that with me. so i have it inside of me. >> is a delicate topic, no doubt it's a delicate topic, and i mean, you can is a little

bit uncomfortable, but your thoughts on, would it be helpful? >> laura mentioned something that i have noticed as a journalist, you know, i often interview workers about what they do, and their working conditions, and i have found that norms are very different. blue-collar workers are often much more willing to tell me how much they make. i can ask them the question, it's, it's not an awkward question. i talked with professional workers, white-collar workers, people who've made much higher salaries, very touchy subject, people don't want to get into it. it's almost like asking, you know, a lady her age or something, you know? it's just like a faux pas, you don't ask about it. i will say that there are a number of resources that don't require the awkward conversation that can help workers get more informed about whether they're making a fair wage, you know, there's, like, glass door and pay scale and other websites where people submit anonymous data. so you can look up, what does someone in a comparable field or with comparable experience

make? so you don't have to have those awkward conversations. >> that's the way to go. >> well, you know it wasn't awkward, allison? i just want to point this out. scott jennings is my kindred spirit now, because i thought only my family said you can slap the taste out of someone's mouth. so we are alike more than we are unlike. >> my taste buds are gone. i got the taste left out of my mouth so often. it's irrelevant what i eat now. >> it was always figurative. it was always figurative, it was. >> this is wonderful. dueling panels building bridges. it's so great. all right, we want to hear from all of you. tell us what you think about coworkers sharing salary information. and if that helps, or hurts. you can tweet us at alisyn camerota and laura coates. densify from crest pro health. like bones, your teeth lose density over time... ...but crest has you covered. crest densify actively reilds tooth density... ...to extend the fe of teeth.

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well, the midterms, can you believe it, are about three weeks away, and races across the country are really heating up. john fetterman talking about his stroke and delivering a fluid speech tonight, as herschel walker, raphael warnock debated in georgia my skintight senate race, and that's not all. you know, when you think about sort of how the week begins versus how it ends, let's talk about fetterman for a moment, because look at us on tuesday. this is how the conversation surrounding his controversy with dr. oz sounded. >> i use captioning, so that's really the major challenge. and every now and then, i'll miss a word. every now and then. or sometimes i'll maybe mush two words together. but as limited as i have captioning, unable to understand exactly what's being asked.

>> watch what happened on tuesday. and then today, they released a brand-new ad. here it is. >> after my stroke, i was just grateful to see giselle and the kids. across pennsylvania, i keep seeing families that don't have enough time to focus on each other. they're struggling, left behind. we got to make it easier for people to spend time with those they love! >> think about how it started and how it's ending and how it's going forward right now. we are less than a month away from the midterm elections. it's going to be very consequential, and i just wonder how you guys view these bookends .

we often talk about the story as they're coming, but now that the week has wound down, this will be old news by monday, possibly. how do you view it? >> so much of it is about relate ability, right? your ability to be able to connect to people. we break it down sometimes, the idea of kitchen table issues or pocketbook issues, and yes, inflation, the economy are important, but so is how people feel about their connection to each other, their ability to exercise their freedoms in the family. so that, this moment, usually, in campaigns, is where you start to pivot towards getting out the vote. you're no longer really trying to persuade voters. debates of the last moment when you're trying to really convince that holdout. and so it's going to be about which issues really drive people to the polls, and how do every one of these candidates, especially fetterman, how does he get more and more people to turn out for him in the end? >> you're not converting them, but what about independent voters? you're still trying to woo them, read >> of course you are. it's a confidence that every candidate is looking for. how confident did i feel? fetterman resonates in pennsylvania. i can tell you it's got very different pockets. we will talk about it many times. philadelphia to pittsburgh, you almost got two different words when you're talking about those areas. but the reality is this. that race really is made up of two starkly different people. one lacks empathy. dr. oz had some real

opportunities this week to jump in and find that common ground and show himself as a person that has a passion for policymaking. to me, he is continuing on to show that this is just another act in his grace, and, and friendly, just something he's doing next. he's been on tv before. he wants to continue as a celebrity. so why not just go serve in the highest chamber of the land? >> i think the fact that we've started the week talking about lieutenant governor fetterman's stroke and are ending the week talking about it it's because it's an issue that his campaign is still trying to address and move beyond, and they began the week thinking, maybe if we just break it down clinically and explained the process is going through, everyone will see that he's actually, like, competent and fine and he can do it, and that this is just about a process? and by the end of the week, it's sort of, it's a different tack. which is to say, this isn't really about a stroke, this is about how this crisis in my family life has made me much more synthetic to what other families are going through. that's because this race is probably within a margin of error because oz has closed a huge gap from when he was so closely tied to donald trump to his efforts to drive into the

economy and crime fears, separate himself from trump, and now fetterman wants to make sure that this, that his stroke recovery is, is not something that hangs him up, but the proof is going to be in the pudding in the upcoming debate in a few days, and that, i think, what voters will be watching. >> is a bit of a gap from how it began, with, i mean, we heard of paul ryan, to where we are right now. alisyn , you got some discussion about this. there's a bit of a gap of how things began, and how things ended. >> we do have a then and now example. you're so right, laura. so back in 2017, paul ryan, former speaker of the house, was very reluctant to speak about donald trump. he dodged many questions about donald trump. here are a few examples. >> i wanted to take on the president's comment. >> i haven't seen all of his comments. i'm a little busy today. i haven't been looking at twitter. >> i was pretty breezy in the house today. >> okay, there was -- >> pretty breezy. >> there was more.

but now, today, well, this week, he was very willing to talk about what he thinks donald trump's prospects are for re-election. here he is. >> i think trumps on electability will be palpable by then. we all know that he will lose, or his, let me put it this way. we all know that he's so much more likely to lose the white house than anybody else running for president on our side of the aisle, so why would we want to go with that? so the only reason he stays where he is, because everybody's afraid of him. they're afraid of him, you know, going after them, hurting their own ambition, but as soon as you get, sort of, the herd mentality going, it's unstoppable. >> okay, so -- >> my my my, how things change. >> let me bring in kevin right now, who knows paul ryan well, work with him on the romney

ryan campaign. >> 2017, it feels like 20 years ago. >> doesn't it? >> it really does. but who is truth serum this week? >> here's the thing. when you are speaker of the house, you cannot be a pundit. you cannot be an analyst. you have to be a fierce advocate for the policies that you're trying to advance in legislation, and you're also trying to represent the collective voice of the republican majority, the majority that you lead. that's what his job was done. now, he's an analyst. he's being asked what he thinks, and he's giving his opinion as straight as he could bear it >> that's fair. you agree that donald trump is unelectable? he was so strong in saying that. there wasn't a question. he was talking about his on electability. >> i am not as declarative on that, just because of the -- you got to remember that it's always about who donald trump is going to be running against, and if he's running against a, you know, biden re-election campaign that has very high inflation, has a very tough economy teetering on a recession, it's all about the alternatives. >> that's not -- >> paul ryan is represents, i think, a very hopeful wing of the party that thinks that the republican party can have an element inside the party rise

up and confront donald trump, because he's a lot less electable than some of these really good governors, who want to sort of put policy and really , you know, advance the party's interest. well, there are going to be a whole bunch, i'll bet. desantis was looking at the race, tom cotton is looking at the race, former vice president mike pence was looking at the race. so there will be potential options. there's a whole range of others that are looking at this race. and i think paul ryan is reflecting a very hopeful sort of wing of the party that leaves somebody has to confront the trump effect inside the party. >> thank you for your expertise. it was great to have you here. you're up next, we have a mystery in alaska. where have 1 billion crabs gone? we'll explain. a zillion times whiter! crest.

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because it never did. but look what golo has done. look what it has done. i'm in a size 4 pair of pants. go golo. (soft music) so, laura, bad news for crab lovers and for commercial fishermen, because the annual harvest of snow and king crab in alaska has been canceled. state officials say the population for both of the crab species have disappeared, and we're talking about 1 billion crabs, and it's a mystery. they don't exactly know why there are not enough snow and king crabs, and, i mean, i personally love king crab. it's delicious.

but that's the least of the problems. i mean, the problem is, where did they go, what's causing this? and obviously, it's going to affect lots of people's families and livelihoods. >> maybe you lose 100, but 1 billion? how does that happen? >> how do you misplace 1 billion? >> i know we talk about overfishing, and i know this is a really big thing, because people love the product, and of course when the demand outpaces the supply, you've got all sorts of problems, but the idea that there's 1000 gone, diving, 1 billion on this is mind- boggling. and you're right. at first, you read the headline, and you think why is this news to people? but you're so right. there are industries built around this. these are livelihoods. these are people who are working in this field. and it's going to have a big impact. i mean, look at this now. the formula crisis, the ideas about this, you're seeing other shortages across the country. this is real in the economy, and this is yet another example. >> and they're not sure if it's because of climate change and global warming, because the bering sea has warmed so much in the past few years that it's affecting the stock, or if the fish management council has

just allotted to be overfished. but either way, people are going to go bankrupt for sure. this is a going to close. this is a real problem. >> it is. i'm glad we pointed it out, too, because i think the way you talked about it, i think a lot of people saw this and then went, oh, where e we talking about this? it's important. and it's also time to hear from you all,l, because you're important, and wanting t to sou off, because your tweets are next. ther e

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all right, it's time to sound off. allison, what is the chatter on social media tonight? >> okay, a lot of people sharing their thoughts on sharing salaries. so here's one on twitter that says -- this is from amanda james. absolutely not i shared with a coworker i received a pay increase about 30 years ago and it caused a problem. i have not done it since. >> see, that's part of what you were talking about, the idea it causes that tension if people know about that. another one here with a different take on salary. and it says should coworkers share info about their salaries? well, aaron scott says i don't understand why people don't want to tell people how much they make an hour. you shouldn't be judged on what you make. the more you make don't make you a better person, it peens you pay more taxes. well, that is absolutely true. is it not? >> it is. now here's one from a very astute viewer. here's something positive about you too. you are awesome co-anchors for

this new format of "cnn tonight." you both lead great discussions. you both rock. that's from someone calling themselves -- but i think it might be my mom. >> well, thanks, mom, we appreciate it. and really a very intelligent statement to make. and i love the idea of cnn dueling panels. i love that tonight. it was great. >> there you go. i love that the person loves it. you know where to find us. thanks so much for saunding off. and we'll be right back.

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there's been a surge in anti-asian hate crimes in the u.s., increasing 164% in some of the largest cities. so this week cnn heros salutes michelle, a chinese and vie viet vietnamese american whose non-profit soar over hate has provided 30,000 personal devices as well as self-defense classes to organizations. >> this year the organization has held events in new york where the turnout shows just how worried the community is about safety. >> the day of our distribution lines surpassed four blocks around the neighborhood where people waited almost two hours to obtain a personal safety device from us. >> to make the noise you pull out the pin and as soon as you pull away it alerts people around you. >> it was simultaneously heart breaking but also motivating to see so many people come out. i think it highlighted the need and the fears that many folks

like me are experiencing right now. >> thank you so much. >> stay safe. bye. >> i hope our work saves lives. that's our only hope moving forward. >> to learn about all the ways michelle and her organization are working to combat asian hate you can go to cnnheroes.com. laura, this was really fun. >> for me, too. thanks for watching, everyone, and we'll see you next week. our coverage continues. >> have a great weekend. >> good night, allison. good evening. tonight we have more never before seen video from january 6th from inside the secure location where congressional leaders were scrambling to continue the peaceful transfer of power. we begin in georgia where the only debate in the race has just wrapped up. it took place just three days before early voting begins georgians will start casting