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hoax but that has not stopped the claim from taking off on the right. >> litter boxes in some of the school districts. so kids can insurance penn ine in them because they identify as cats. >> they're embracing lies. literally embracing lies. if a student wants to pretend like a kid and go in a litter box after school, that's their prerogative. but teachers and other students should not have to put through that because it's a lie. >> how is that happening? how is that even possible? why are conspiracy theories like this being taken seriously. we're going to use this thing laura. >> is it time? >> it's time. we're going to do something called dueling. and we're going to put a timer

up and see if we can do better than scott. okay i know you guys are thinking, wait i went into politics for this? yes, yes you all did because this is really happening okay. elementary school kids are not insurancing in litter boxes. okay. scott that's not happening. >> why are you addressing me. i've been defending this new york panel all night. we're the harlem globe trotters. >> you're wasting time, you're wasting time. >> there's a lot to say because politicians are falling for this. there's a republican gubernatorial candidate in minnesota and another one in colorado falling for this. how are they so gullible. >> it says a lot about how people process information in a very hyper parcel world. one thing about combating information is how strongly people want to believe it when

it confirms a prior world view that they have and it confirms an us versus them mentality then you come poupb compound that with the fact that they have a super computer in their pocket where they can communicate with others and spread that. you have rational people who sort of search out and their rationality when it comes to trying to confirm their political biases. it's a very difficult problem for politics. we saw that when we worked on campaign. when i worked in campaigns this happened back in 2008 where voters would come to us at town halls in new hampshire asking about the nafta super highway. and we're asking what's the nafta super highway and how do we combat this misinformation. so it's very difficult. >> okay, hold on. i have one thing before we get there because i do want to pose this to you. it does seem like republicans fall for this more than democrats. republicans fall for

conspiracies more than democrats. >> i don't know. >> the there's the conspiracy that covid was made up. people that believe that biden is the legitimate president. tkepldemocrats 98%. >> and i agree with kevin that if you have a prior view. if you believe, actually preparing for this. there actually is kitty litter in schools. you know why? >> because there's cats.

>> no, because in some cases it's been used as emergency purposes if there's lock downs. >> you can debunk that's true by doing one minute of research on your phone. >> just a lot of distrust of institutions and the government that's really being pedals more often on the right. >> don't you think that republicans are more susceptible. >> they definitely are more susceptible. >> they have networks that are much better, more disciplined at sharing this information or aggressive at sharing this information. >> i mean the pizza parlor where hillary clinton is supposedly. stop. i mean that's just. democrats don't spread that stuff. >> not on this network but on a competitor. i see crazy things on a nightly basis that come from the fever swamps. >> this is truly a conservative issue. >> it's hard enough for

elementary school teachers to get threpl to line them to line up in the hall way. no one is allowing children to use the bathroom kitty litter in the classroom. it's unsanitary as hell. that's number one. >> and further pretending because these kids. >> want to be as cats, yes, yes. >> with something like this. >> and the fact these two people running for governor in colorado and minnesota that they fall for it. the gullibility is stunning. >> what's really crazy is who identifies as a cat. if you're going to identify as an animal, dog is really superior. just saying. if you're thinking of doing it. >> the dog. >> yeah. and you go outside. they have trees at schools. >> i see this going off the rails. but i'm not surrendering my last 18 seconds. >> if you're using that super security to share misinformation, use the computer in your pocket to

research and get to the bottom of it. >> well done. your panel can now see if you guys can get to the bottom of it. >> does your panel need a super computer in their pocket to know that kids are not insurancing on kitty litter, okay. >> researching, researching. >> thank you inspector gadget. go back to penny's super computer. >> i don't believe really believe that he thinks kids are peeing in kitty litter. he's going to say i'm going to tell them a a doctor that i actually believe and know everything they're saying. it's the equivalent to the

razor blades in apples every halloween. i've never seen any of this. somebody is taking advantage of all the gullibility. >> these people are triggered by pronounce. they're triggered by the fact society is going one way and people are able to identify as something they're not born as. and they take it further. do you know people are out there identifying as furries. that's not happening any where. kids are not using litter boxes in schools. i struggle with this because if you give air, oxygen to the conspiracy theories we're giving credence to them. this has changed people's lives. people have gone into rabbit holes and their lives have been changed, their families lives have been changed. they go into reddit or wherever

and find people who believe the same things they do. >> this is totally su susceptible to the susceptible. be skeptical. that turned on to full on, nos that something that is happening. that conspiracy theory seeps in because you're skeptical. that's why women on the right are more likely to give rise to these conspiracy theories. they give air to them. >> there's a parody reality that most americans until this week had never heard of the kitty litter conspiracy theory. and maybe a lot of people whatching this now are going to be like what are they talking about. quietly for months now in michigan, nebraska, iowa,

colorado where else. >> minnesota. >> in minnesota. it takes from this to go from mainstream to reach the wall to conspiracy theory and pop culture and discussion. it takes joe rogan or someone to mention it. it seems funny or fun to talk about when it's kitty litter. on a much more basic level, as a journalist i struggle a lot when you've made your mind about something that's nonsensible nonsensible. they tried to understand which kind of political combination group is most susceptible to misinformation. they identified a group they call lccs. these were low low

conciencious conservativels. it's not that all conservatives are more susceptible than libertarians. but they want to disrupt the status quo. being disfied dissats dissat fies dissatisfied with the status quo. >> snake oil seller is a term

now but that came from the 1880s where chinese were using snake oil to cure illness. >> we're a little jealous here because your panel said really smart things and ours went for the comedic effect, we thought. >> and i end it right now with my belt coming lose. like i think i lost it for the panel. sorry guys. it was so good. i'm going to go ahead and button this up. >> wow. that's a good panel. if your belt flies out that's a very, very good. that's an effective panel. >> we're flying by the seat of our pants. >> friday night in washington. >> well done ladies. well done. efrpbg everybody stick around, we have much much more.

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inflation is crippling many families. you probably notice it when you go to buy groceries that the prices keep rising. so what does all of that mean for the midterm? so let's look at food right now. here's i think we have a graphic. cereals, baked goods still going up by .9% there. meat and poultry, this is just since september. okay. so it's not since a year ago this is just since last month. fruits, vegetables all up. what does this mean for the midterm? >> people are hurting and we have to deal with the personal economy. that's most important. a part of the challenge is that corporations are gouging at this moment. you have ceos on record saying i prayed for inflation to happen. there's something wrong with that. and unfortunately the republicans although they say they're the party of family

values, they don't necessarily value pushing policies that actually help to lift the american people. this is one stats since 1978 the average ceo pay adjusted for inflation has gone up 1400%. the average worker, 18%. it is criminal and it is actually crushing this country. >> before i let you respond to that scott. here's what has happened to the average home price of $400,000 a year ago. the mortgage was about $1,700. a month. and then now it's $2,400. so it's gone up by $712. >> what you can afford to do is much less than what you could afford a month ago. feels like the country is off the rails when you look at how fast it happened. republicans aren't in charge of the country. democrats are in charge of the white house, the house and the senate.

and in inflation crisis has entirely happened on joe biden's watch. and in these campaigns all across the country there's an attempt by the democrats to deflect blame for this. not only did their spending policies cause the inflation. the inflation reduction act which i can't believe i'm saying that out loud did nothing. >> it helped people during the pandemic. >> i disagree with everything that's been said so far. >> you disagree there's an inflation. >> no i think there's an inflation. but corporations suddenly remembering to be greedy or democrats spend too much money. it's a combination of things. you do have very expansion tphaeur expansionary physical spending. both during the trump era and

biden last year. the effect went for too long and you have major supply chain issues. when you have really strong demand hitting really constraint supply that's going to drive prices up. it's complicated and the solution is mostly involving the fed raising the rate but there's some things the president and congress could be doing to take some pressure off of that. >> i want to take some of the stress off of wages. wages back in covid days had really spiked. so like june 2020, wages were way up and i think here we see wages versus inflation. i think the blue are the wages. and now that they're crossing over. so where are we with wages right now. is it still an employees market? >> wages are growing in nominal termless. terms. i mean the actual dollars on my paycheck have gone up but what

i can buy at the store has not. i should be clear that inflation is a global phenomenon. this is not only in the united states. i do think there was some policy mistakes that were made that may have made it worse. but inflation is a global phenomenon in part because the supply chain problems are a global phenomenon as well. so yeah, workers are hurting. they may be able to tphe negotiation for higher wages but those higher wages they're able to secure are not keeping up with the cost of groceries, gas and rent and everything else they have to spend. on. >> this is a side bar issue but it comes up from time to time. and it's transparency of salaries. should you share with your coworkers what you make. because obviously transparency helps people bargain better and know better but it also can increase resentment and like no good can come of it.

no good can come of sharing your wages. and others say no it helps deal with the bosses better. i know sarah has some strong thoughts on that. so laura where are you on that? >> i do. but here's why i have strong thoughts about it. i think that sometimes the powers that be in different fields want people to be pitted against one another to be able to make the competition there. but on the other hand can't help but say in some respects it feels like rich people problems. because most wage earners know what one another is making. they don't have the same constraints or conversations surrounding how they have the power dynamic and negotiation power. on the same token. i absolutely see the value of being able to have people be transparent. and i see it in the sports world in particular alysson. look at say the nba versus the wnpba. the soccer teams men versus the women. this comes up to really

demonstrate pay in equality. how it takes women that much longer to be able to make what their male counter parts make. for black women women of color to make what their white counter parts make. these are the conversations more broadly and i think that counter parts are helping their society. so let's start with you. what exactly are you making. >> here you go. this is exactly my point. it all sounds good. it's all great in theory until somebody asks you. >> transparency. >> laura brings up a good point. transparency over all does help in the workplace if workers have a plan to really fight against the bosses and work really hard to make sure they're making better wages. >> but they have the information. >> information is power. >> i'm an old fashion guy. when i was growing up, we asked

somebody about money or what they were making we would get the taste slapped out of our mouth. >> we didn't talk about politics then either. >> i come from a family of democrats. they're not all democrats now, thank god. >> oh lord. >> but this is not, you don't ask people about this and i've kind of carried that forward. i know we all shift and now everybody knows everything about everybody. but i still carry that with me. >> it's a delicate topic no doubt it's a delicate topic. you can see it's a little bit up comfortable. but uncomfortable. but would you be willing to answer the question. >> i talked with professional workers, white

collar workers, people who make more. it's like asking a lady her age. it's like a faux pas, you don't ask about it. there's like glass door and pay scale and other websites where people submit anonymous data. so you can look up what does someone in a comparable field or with comparable experience made. so you don't have to have those awkward conversations and get data. >> that's great. that's the way to go. >> i want to point this out. scott jennings is my kindred spirit because i thought it was only my family that said we can slap you can slap the taste out of your mouth. >> i have no taste buds anymore.

we're more alike than we're not alike. >> it's so great. i want to hear from all of you. tell us what you think about coworkers sharing salary information and if that helps or hurts. you can tweet us.

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look the midterms can you believe it. races across the country are firing up. skwrápbherschel walker debated.

when you think of how the week begins versus how it ends. let's talk about federman for a moment. look at us on tuesday. look at his controversy with dr. oz sounded. >> i use captioning so that's really the major challenge. and every now and then i will miss a word, every now and then. i sometimes will mush two words together. as long as i have captioning i'm able to understand exactly what's being asked. >> what's happened on tuesday then today they released a brand new ad. here it is. >> after my stroke, i was just grateful to see giselle and our kid. i keep seeing families that are struggling, left behind. we have to make it easier for people to spend time with those they love. >> think about how it started

and how it's ending and how it's going forward right now. we are less than a month away from the midterm elections. it's beginning to be very consequential. i just wonder how you view these bookends. we often talk about the stories as they're coming. this will be old news by monday possibly. how do you do it? >> so much of it is about relate -blt. relatability. inflation, the economy are important but so is how people feel about their connection to each other. their ability to exercise their streams freedoms and their families. this is when you start to pivot voters. debates is when you are trying to convince the hold out. but it's which issues are driving people to the polls and how does every one of these candidates especially fedderman get people to turn out for him. >> you're not trying to turn

them. but how about undecideds. >> fedderman just resinates in pennsylvania. i have spent a lot of time in the state. and it has a lot of different pockets. philadelphia to pittsburgh. the reality is this, is that race really is made up of two different people. one lacks empathy. dr. oz had real opportunity to step in and find that common ground and show himself as a person who has a passion for policymaking. to me, he's continuing on to show that this is just another act in his grift and something he's done next. he's been on tv before. he wants to continue in celebrity so why not go and serve in the highest of the land. >> the fact that we're talking about lieutenant governor's stroke, it's an issue his campaign is trying to address

and move beyond. they started the week, maybe if we talk about it clinically and explain what he's going through. that it'll be fine. but then it was this is not about me and the stroke it's about how this crisis in my life has made me more sympathetic to what other people are going through. oz has closed a huge gap to when he was so closely tied to donald trump to his efforts driving to the economy and separated himself from trump. now fedderman is making sure that his stroke recovery is not something that hangs him up. but the proof is going to be in the pudding in the upcoming debate if a few days and i think that's what vote es ers will be watching. >> there's a bit of a gap. maybe you've heard of paul ryan. you have some discussion about this very point. there's a bit of a gap of how

things began and how they thinks ended. >> we do have a then and now example. back in 2017, paul ryan former speaker of the house was very reluctant to speak about donald trump. he dodged many questions about donald trump, here are a few examples. >> i want you to take on the president's comments. >> i haven't seen all of his comments. i'm a little busy today i haven't been looking at twitter. >> i was pretty busy in the house today passing our budget. >> there was. >> pretty busy. >> but, now, today, well this week. he was very willing to talk about what he thinks donald trump's prospects are for reelection. here he is. >> i think trump's unelect

unelectability would will be pallable by then. the reason why he stay where is he is is everybody is afraid of him. they're afraid of him going after them. hurting their own ambition but as soon as you get sort of the herd mentality going it's unstoppable. >> okay so. >> my, my, my. how things have changed. >> let me bring in who knows paul ryan. worked on the romney campaign. >> that feels like 20 years ago. >> doesn't it. it really does. but who took some truth serum. >> when you're speaker of the house you have to be a fierce advocate for the policies you're trying to advance and legislation. you're also trying to represent the collective voice of the republican majority. the majority that you lead. that's what he job was then. now he's an analyst he's being asked what he thinks and he's giving his opinion as straight as he could. >> that's fair.

do you believe donald trump is unelectable. he was so strong. >> i'm not as declarative on that because you have to remember it's all about who donald trump is going to be running against. if he's running against a biden reelection campaign, that has very high inflation and has an economy teeters on recession. >> that's not what paul ryan says. >> paul ryan represents a hopeful wing of the party that wants to stand up and confront donald trump. folks who want to put policy and really you know advance the parties interest. >> do you think there are going to be people in the republican to rise up. >> de santis is looking at the race. former vice president mike pence is looking at the race. so there will be potential options. there's a whole range of others

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isn't so laura bad news for crowd lovers because the annual harvest of snow and king crab in alaska has been canceled. state officials say the population for both of the crab species have disappeared. i personally love king crab, it's delicious but that's the least of the problem. the problem is where did they go? what's causing this and obviously it's going to affect lots of people's families and livelihoods. >> maybe lose 100 but a billion. i know we talk about overfishing and this is a really real thing because people love the product. and when the demand outpaces the supply you have a big problem. but a billion gone is just mind

boggling. you're right. at first you read the headline and you think why is this news for people. but you're so right. there are industries built around this. these are livelihoods, these are people who are working in this field. and it's going to have a big impact. the formula crisis. the ideas of this. you're seeing other shortages in the country. this is real in the economy and this is yet another example. >> they're not sure if it's because of climate change or global warming because the bearing sea has warmed or if the fish management council has just aloud allowed it to be overfished. but for sure, people are going to go bankrupt. fishing boats are going to not seework. >> see work. >> i'm sure people looked at this and asked why is

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closed captioning brought to you by invent help. >> call 800-710-0020. it's time to sound off. alysson what is the chatter on social media tonight. >> a lot of people sharing their thoughts on sharing salaries. so here's one on twitter that says, this from amanda james. absolutely not. i shared with a coworker that i received a pay increase about 30 years ago, and it caused a problem. i have not done it since. >> see. that was probably what you were

talking about right. the idea that it can cause that tension and people know about that. she's sounding out. there's another one here it's a different take on salary. it says should coworkers share info about their salaries. well, erin scott says i don't understand why people don't want to tell people how much they make an hour. you shouldn't be judged on what you make. the more you make don't make you a better person it means you pay more in taxes. well, i mean that is absolutely true. is it not. >> it is. now here's one from a very astute viewer. here's something positive about you two. you're awesome. coanchors of this new format for cnn tonight. you both lead great discussions and i'm glued to it because of it. you both rock. that's from someone calling themselves alex donovan but i think it might be my mom. >> well thanks mom. we appreciate it. a very smart statement to make. i love the idea of cnn dueling panelless.

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