cancer. ava underwent chemotherapy and radiation. it was brutal. last week ava and her family went to disney world thanks to make a wish foundation. they arrived in florida, had a season to celebrate. though she's not out of the woods yet, they were told her latest mri showed no disease. the family met mickey mouse, went to epcot, rode rides. her favorite ride was thunder mountain, which ava rode with her hands up sh as promised on the program. we wish her well and her family well, and our thoughts tonight are with her and so many kids facing adversity head on. the news continues. let's hand it over to jake let's hand it over to jake tapper and "cnn tonight." -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com welcome to "cnn tonight." i am jake tapper. our cherished ideals of free speech are in the hands of erratic billionaires. the most recent of whom is ye,

the artist formerly known as kanye west, who today announced he is going to purchase parlor. do you know what por lor is? the word might invoke the image of a fancy room or cute little lady sit and sip their tea from good china. but parlor is decidedly not that. parlor is a far right fringe social media platform. and you first might have heard of it around the time of the capitol insurrection, january 6, 2021, because many of the violent rioters organized on parlor. podcast host kara swisher that very day asked one of the founders of parlor if he felt any responsibility for death and destruction to which he said this. >> i don't feel responsible for any of this, and neither should the platform, considering we're a neutral town square that just add head heres to the law. so, if people are organizing something, that's more of a problem of people are upset. they feel disenfranchised.

>> yes, people were upset and they felt disenfranchised. not long after that interview, apple and google removed the parlor app from their stores, amazon stopped providing it with web hosting services, and that ceo was fired. today parlor markets itself as the premier global free speech platform. maybe a little generous seeing that parlor saw 0.2% of the visitors twitter saw last month. the site is popular among conspiracy theorists, election liars, and bigots. kanye west made a move into the free speech media space and will never have to fear being removed from social media again. long before all of this, you probably first became aware of ye, or kanye west, as a musical genius.

♪ so gifted but i don't like ♪ ♪ so i think it's time to have a toast ♪ >> a fantastic song, "run away," but kanye's antics have long threatened to overshadow his talents. the first glimmers of which we saw when he jumped on stage in mtv's 2009 music awards after taylor swift beat out beyonce for best female video. >> i'm let you finish, but beyonce had one of the best videos of all time. >> we all had our opinions about that interruption, including president obama. >> the young lady seems like a perfectly nice person. she's getting her award. >> why would he do that. >> she's a jackass. >> jackassery is one thing. bigotry quite another. and kanye's interest in buying parlor comes days after instagram and twitter restricted

his accounts in response to his blatant anti-semitism, including a tweet where he vowed to go, kwoet, def con 3 on jewish people, at a time when anti-semitic violence in the united states is at an all-time high according to the antidefamation league. so, when parlor celebrates the free speech, let's be clear, kanye wasn't blocked from twitter and instagram because he challenged critical race theory or vaccine mandates. it was because he threatened to kill jews. kanye was also recently seen wearing a white lives matter shirt, a line that some on the right began using in response to the black lives matter movement. it may or may not surprise you to learn that candace owens' husband, george farmer, just happens to be the ceo of parlor's parent company. kanye becomes the latest billionaire to buy his way into

the social media legion of doom. former president donald trump, who was suspended from facebook and twitter after, of course, he insighted that deadly capital insurrection, he has truth social. and elon musk will likely soon own twitter, twitter, where well before offering to buy it, musk has been an active user, with 109 million followers. musk has posted quite a few controversial tweets. the one i can't get out of my head has to do with this man. vernon uns worth. vernon helped save 12 boys in thailand after they were stranded inside a flooded cave for weeks on end. he is such a hero, he's depicted in ron howard's new movie "13 lives" about that incredible rescue. >> 12 boys and their coach are trapped in the flooded cave. >> hello? >> hey. they're here.

>> at the time, elon musk tried to get on the rescue, offering a miniature summary, which unsworth called a pr stunt. and musk, he didn't like that. he called the cave diver a, quote, pedo guy, which unsworth and pretty much everyone else took to mean pedophile. a hideous charge that musk doubled down on and tripled down on. and unsworth took musk to case for defamation. it's a case unsworth lost. >> he went toe-to-toe with a billionaire bully. not many people have the courage to do that. >> so, that was a court ruled, legally protected speech by elon musk. but that does not make it right dh , which is the area in which we find ourselves in this debate. none of musk's bizarre tweets have met the bar for removal

from twitter. after all, that's the rub. what's the bar, and who decides? facebook's own ad seems to acknowledge that they're not equipped to make these calls. >> i don't know if that is right to have a private corporation like facebook dictating what those boundaries are. >> one of the reasons we're even having this discussion is that social media companies have really, mainly since the pandemic began, put their hand on the lever and sometimes messed up. take, for example, the idea that covid possibly came from a lab accident or a lab leak. even credible scientists started saying that was something the medical community should be investigating. but regardless, facebook flagged those posts as false or debunked. facebook attached fact check warnings to any posts questioning the idea of whether or not the virus had originated the in a wet market until --

until -- the biden administration said that they were going to investigate it. and then the ban was lifted. a similar story when just before the 2020 election, the "new york post" started reporting that the fbi had obtained a laptop belonging to joe biden's son, hunter biden, containing all sort of hideous material. facebook and twitter took steps to bottle up that reporting and keep the "post's" stories from being shared. >> the fbi, i think, basically came to us -- some folks on our team -- and was like, hey, just so you know, you should be on high alert. >> but now we know that other media organizations, including "the washington post," had authenticated some of the emails on the laptop and that there is a federal investigation going on right now into hunter biden. these kinds of decisions are part of what is fuelling any push for alternate social media, what is being billed by these

other companies as free speech. but we should note, parlor does have standards. parlor does moderate content. . there might not be a lot of moderating, and they're not particularly high standards, but parlor remove eed, for example, unhinged attorney linwood's most when he called for the execution of former vice president mike pence. trump's social media platform blocked some content referring to abortion rights. democrats were blocked from posting about the january 6th hearings. so, all of these sites have some standards, not high ones. but they ain't pure free speech science. that claim is more about marketing than it is about the principle of pure free speech. the fewest rules, the lowest standards, are at the social media site gab, which currently

gets nearly ten times more monthly visits on average than parlor. i signed up for gab this morning. i clicked on explore, which took me to popular posts across gab. i came in with an open mind, and immediately gab hit me with this post. quote, we are in a wartime rngs but it's a quiet war perpetrated by the jew, with a picture of adolf hitler. and there was plenty more where that came from. the n-word is super big on gab. it is a cesspool of hate. but we should note, gab moderates content too. you can't transmit unwanted advertising or promotional material on gab. you can't impersonate someone else on gab. you can't do anything that might cause gab itself to be harassed on gab. so, again, gab, too, does not just allow any speech. it takes precautions. it doesn't seem to care about hate speech, however.

the suspect who killed 11 people at the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh in 2018, he frequently attacked jews in his posts on gab. he was targeting jews right up until the moment he got out of his car and went in to slaughter innocent jews. some of the users on gab after the massacre hailed him as a hero. so, what can and what should be done here? unfortunately, lawmakers in congress have not really figured out it. and by it, i mean how to turn on their computers and use a mouse. >> how do you sustain in which users don't pay for your service? >> is twitter the same as what you do? >> it overlaps. >> will you commit to ending -- >> we don't actually do fenced up. >> so, you can be forgiven for not thinking congress is going to ride to the rescue and save us from this conundrum. supreme court justice louie bran dice wrote almost 100 years ago

that for bad speech, for lies and evil, quote, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence. it's a proposition with which i generally agree, bad speech should be met with better speech, not with censorship. in the aftermath of the synagogue attack, executives at gab said something similar. quote, the answer to bad speech will always be more speech, unquote. but the more speech i saw on gab this afternoon was more speech extolling nazis and more speech engaging in holocaust denial and more speech sharing more hideously racist posts than i've ever seen in one place in my life. i saw less of it, but still too much of it on parlor today. it's high time we recognize that the hate on many of these far right sites is not just an unfortunate result of belief in free speech. the hate is the whole point. so, is this where the first

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kanye west, or ye, as he's now called, is speaking out in a new interview with bloomberg about why he's moving to acquire the social media platform, parlor, saying, quote, when i got kicked off instagram and twitter, at the time i knew it was time to acquire my own platform. we're using this as a net for the people who have been bullied by the thought police to come and speak their mind, express what you feel, express what's tied up inside of you, express what's been haunting you. i use social media as my therapist, unquote. remember, he was quicked off instagram and twitter for threatening to kill jews.

ye also bloomberg he expects to have dinner with donald trump this weekend and expects the invite the former president to use parlor. and joining me now is scott galloway, a tech entrepreneur and business professor at nyu. scott, good to see you. so, trump, kanye, elon musk, three billionaires who either have social media platforms or are trying to acquire them. if you could get all three together in a room, what would you tell them? >> come on in, the water's fine. you caught the car. billionaires acquiring media platforms is nothing original, but they usually have guardrails in the form of bezos, benioff, or bloomberg have media companies. they have news rooms. they have editors, and they have some respect for fact checking or some attempt to find a north star around the truth. this doesn't feel like free speech. it feels like me speech. and they're just finding a platform that will let them say whatever they wanted unfettered. here's the bad news. the catalyst for pursuing these

platforms is such that they can continue to spew this anti-semitic or hate or misinformation around election. here's the good news. these platforms are failing. consumers have voted, and they want some form of moderation, and they want edited content. so, come on in, the water's fine. >> all three of these billionaires are already individuals with huge platforms. elon musk, donald trump, kanye west. none of them seem particularly focused on being responsible about what they say with these platforms. does that concern you? >> yeah, but i don't think it's their fault. i think it's our fault. specifically citizens have to elect representatives that will hold these platforms to the same standards we hold other media companies. that is, if you incite an insurrection or violence on a platform, that platform should be subject to the same liability that you and i would be subject

to if something we said rallied violence. fox news anchors had to go on air and directly refute their previous statements that dominion voting machines had been weaponized by the venezuelan government, and that is absolutely the right thing. it's our fault. we need to elect representatives that understand technology and stop letting these platforms spread misinformation. and have algorithm that like incendiary content and give it more sunlight than we get organically. free speech is important. but giving this type of hate speech and misinformation more reach than it would on its own, that's a problem. >> so, i read an interesting paper in the columbia law review about how a lot of the more main stream platforms, facebook, instagram, twitter, started really clamping down much more

during the pandemic because of fears of erroneous health information. and i certainly understand that. but at the same time, facebook clamped down on folks who were theorizing -- not fringe people either, like scientists, doctors, who were theorizing about the origin of the wuhan virus, about covid-19, about the fresh market, of the wet market theory. they later had to take it back. they later had to unban those comments. so, i hear what you're saying. but i guess in another way of saying is, is it easier said than done? misinformation one day sometimes becomes a legitimate target for discussion the next. >> i think that's a fair point. even earlier on i remember even some of our health organizations were saying that masks were not effective and to not worry about not getting a mask.

that ended up not being true. fringe theories become sometimes less fringe. i guess the issue is the following, and that is, should you have algorithms that look at anxiety and anger as the key components of what they decide to put in other people's feeds. and that is, again, the dissenter's voice is important. someone should be able to say that mrna vaccine might alter your dna. that's fine. the question is whether algorithms and some of our brightest people and best resource companies should have incentive to spread that type of information beyond the reach it would get organically because it is incendiary. >> that seems to be such a key part of this because i just know, as being a social media user, the more benign a post, the more one appeals to the charitable impulses of a user, a

reader, the less it seems to make its way around the internet. whereas, if i, for instance -- if i do a philadelphia eagles rooting cheering tweet, a lot of people see that because a lot of people don't want to read about me loving the philadelphia eagles. >> well, i mean, this is just a history of media gone, starting to exponentially advance. and that is in the '70s, abc decided they were making so much money with ten comang commercia car commercials in the midst of the brady bunch, they would run news. they found the ratings were much greater for opinion. we're all a bit guilty of this in media. we've decided that more controversial, novel content, is more entertaining, engages users, and is more profitable. all these social media companies have figured out a way into all

tie ran saurs rexs where we're drawn towards conspiracy. our media companies have a profit incentive around spreading misinformation. i'm here in london, and i do think there's some value to the notion of publicly supported media that tries to call balls and strikes and then a layer of for-profit media. i think both are important. but there's no doubt about it, our incentives are creating a world where our discourse is become more course. and if you want more profits, you should engage in misinformation. >> before you go, i need to ask, is the musk deal with twitter, do you think it's going to go through? >> yeah, i think so. i think he's entered into a terrible deal. this will go down as the second worst acquisition in history on the day of closing. this is a company that's worth 10 to 15 bucks a share. he's pay $54.20.

his shoulareholders are going t force him to close. and again on the first day, the moment this closes, it becomes probably the second worst acquisition in history, just behind the acquisition of time warner by aol. but i do think it closes, jake. >> scott galloway, thank you so much. good to see you, as always. >> thank you, jake. the name struck fear in the pacific theater of world war ii. it's striking fear across ukraine now. the word of course is kamikaze. this time it's kamikaze or suicide drones. former ambassador to the united nations john bolton joins us now to look at russia's new strategy and the iranian factor. that's next.

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lines in the country's capital city are keeping one eye on the sky. this is what they do not want to see, a so-called ckamikaze dron. they're one and done. destroyed in an attack, cheaper than the missiles russia has been using, and part of a deadly new assault on ukraine's civilian population and critical infrastructure. the ukrainian military says it's forces have managed to shoot down most of russia's kamikaze drones, but it's little consolation when the fire ball over the skyline could be targeting your home next. i'm joined by john bolton, former ambassador to the united nations under george w. bush, and former national security adviser under former president donald trump. vladimir putin doesn't care about committing war crimes. he's sending these in to and they are successfully killing civilians. how can the rest of the world hold him accountable? >> well, i think the most

important thing we can do is help the ukrainians defeat the russians because ultimately the solution for the west as a whole is regime change in russia. that's not going to be easy. it's not going to occur soon. but one thing is certain, if putin's aggression is seen as succeeding in ukraine, even in part, it will strengthen his position in russia, and it will send terrible signals to other capitals, specifically beijing. so, there's a lot on the line here, not just in terms of security in europe but really kurt around the world. >> are you worried if house republicans take back the house that support for military aid to ukraine will dissipate? we've already seen sizable portions of the house republican conference say that they don't support this war. >> well, i think the message is a little mixed, and i think when they see what progress is being made on the battlefield, i think that will change. some of it were easy votes because they knew there would be majorities to support biden's request for assistance. i think in the senate, by

contrast, the republican dissent has been minimal. >> if the idea of these constant attacks on the civilian population is to break ukrainian support, it does not appear to be working. we got our hands on a new gallup poll that is going to be released tomorrow. it finds that 70% of ukrainians want zelenskyy to keep fighting. 91% of ukrainians tell gallup it will not be a win until they get back all their territory, including crimea. does that surprise syou? >> no, i'm with the ukrainians. i'm not sure the target is ukrainian morale. i think it is european morale, morale in germany and other countries. winter is coming. it's not at all clear they have enough energy to get through the winter, home heating needs and things like that, but especially their manufacturing and production needs. we're all going into a recession it looks like. europe's recession may be deeper. and if their factories aren't functioning, it'll be deep eer

still. and that will allow putin to prey on europe leader who is just want to turn the page now anyway so that what he cannot win on the battlefield, he may win by breaking europe's political resolve. >> how about the iranians? according to allies, they're the ones providing drones, which would be in violation of the united nations resolution, which would bar iran from buying or selling weapons. what can the u.n. do about it? >> heavens, can you imagine iran violating u.n. resolution. >> unimaginable. >> like the nuclear agreement the biden administration is still trying to pursue. this iranian regime is busy oppressing its own people, selling drones to russia. i think this is an indication on what the new on tant between russia and china is going to look like. i think it's one more reason to support the opposition in iran,

to see the regime overthrown, but also to make the point that it doesn't matter who aids the russians here. we are going to stick with ukrainians. we are going to defeat this aggression. >> the ukrainians have kamikaze drones too. they have been sending theirs to target a military base in crimea, an air base in -- and russian ships. that's what they're using theirs for, legitimate military targets. what does it tell you that putin is using theirs for civilians, attacking civilians? >> at least for a time, he was trying to knock out infrastructure, power production, that sort of thing. now it just looks indiscriminate. i will say the u.s. and others have held the ukrainians back, except the ukrainians have gotten a little bit more on the offensive mode here in crimea, in territory putin considers russia. and i think they ought to do more of that. you don't have to be polite when somebody invades your country. you should be allowed to go after targets in their country too, which the ukrainians have

done. they just haven't taken credit for it. >> before you go, i wanted to get your reaction from this post on truth social from your former boss, donald trump, calling for american jews to be, quote, more appreciative of his administration's role. he wrote, u.s. jews have to get their act together and appreciate what they have in israel before it is too late. a lot of people thought that was pretty anti-semitic. what was your take? >> i think it's anti-semitic. it's also very typical of trump. look at all that i've done. how can you not support me? this is the kind of attitude that brought the kind of destruction that we saw during, at the end of his administration, in particular. it's more evidence he's just not fit to be president. >> former ambassador john bolton, thanks so much for being here. it's good to see you again. while ukraine fights off an enemy invader, america is fighting an enemy within, opioid addiction. this has become an issue in the midterm elections, especially in ohio. and we'll tell you about that next.

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ohio is one of the states hit hardest by the opioid epidemic in america. and tonight, the crisis was a key point of discussion during the final debate between the tim ryan, the democrat, and j.d. vance, the republican. ryan using the opportunity to criticize vance for pulling out of a fund-raiser over the weekend after it was reported that one of the hosts had been cited in a lawsuit against perdue pharma, a company accused of worsening the crisis, as well as other companies. take a listen. >> as recently as saturday, j.d. was doing a fund-raiser with a guy who was raising money, one of the top ten pill pushers, doctors, in the entire country. and he just cancelled it. you know why? because the press broke the story and he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. >> joining us now to discuss is patrick keith, author of "empire

of pain: the secret history of the sackler dynasty," also the author of "dope sick." statement reading j.d.'s own mother suffered from opioid addiction for years. this issue is deeply personal to him. tim ryan has taken thousands of dollars from the pharma giant who is paid billions for their roles in the opioid epidemic. let me remove you two from the back and forth in the ohio senate race. how much do you think lawmakers in general are partly culpable for the opioid crisis? >> well, i think of the words of richard sackler, who said, i can get any senator of congressman on the phone in an hour if i want to. i think the opioid crisis is

brought to us by greed. i think the sackleres and pursue started it and other companies joined in and that our regulatory systems were basically bought off, everything from the fda to dea to medical educational journals that got co-opted by companies. very much the opioid crisis is here as an indictment of the entire system. >> and patrick, j.d. vance also went after ryan for accepting money from pharmaceutical companies. take a listen. >> those commercials are paid for by pharmaceutical blood money because tim ryan received tens of thousands of dollars from the very companies that have profited off this, and that's exactly how he's able to fund the lies he's been putting on tv against. >> ryan says his record on taking on big pharma is, quote, inpeckable. stepping away from this senate

race, what specifically do you think all the money big pharma has given to all the politicians across the country, what has resulted in? >> it's resulted in a public health crisis that's killed more than half a million americans. i think that what you saw over a period of decades really was huge spending by these companies that were generating billions of dollars selling these pills. and what they were trying to do was change the mind of the medical establishment to say these drugs aren't addictive, they should be more widely prescribed. when you started getting lawmakers tightening regulations to make it harder to prescribe them, they would lobby and work on those. when the justice department or state authorities tried to pursue criminal actions or civil actions, they found ways in which to stop them from doing so. so, i think it's really a story about the awesome power of private money to corrupt public institutions that should be protecting citizens and consumers. >> beth, the conversation about fentanyl and the u.s./mexico border has been become

intermingled with the conversation about the opioid conversation. not stopping the flow of fentanyl across the u.s./mexico border. explain to us the relationship between the border and fentanyl crisis and the opioid crisis because some people might think they're different. >> fentanyl really started at the end of the obama administration. it blew up during the trump administration, and it continues today during the biden administration. it's basically what is creating most of the 108,000 deaths that we had, overdose deaths that we had in the last year. what i think we saw tonight with the debate was events in particular using fentanyl as a way to sort of hand wring about immigration and it's a very political tool. what i didn't hear either one of them talk about was the -- that

we have in this nation, which is 87%. that means only 13% of people with opioid use disorder manage to get treatment within the last year. sure, we've got to stop fentanyl at the border, but we also have to equally put our efforts into stopping the demand for it because we know that people who are addicted aren't doing it at the end of their journey just to get high. they're doing it to avoid being dopesick. and until we start to treat them as human beings with treatable medical conditions, we're going to continue to have overdose deaths going up every year. >> patrick, the latest numbers from the cdc show the epidemic's getting worse, as beth just mentioned. 108,022 americans died from drug overdoses, increase from last year. this is a period of time where the country is well aware of the

opioid crisis. how is it still continuing. >> i think part of the reason you can see in this debate where there's this tendency -- it's a very american tendency -- to think of these issues exclusively in term of supply side, to think we'll solve this purely by thinking about supply and not thinking about demand, not taking a hard look at ourselves. years ago, i was writing an article about the mexican drug cartel. i remember interviewing a dea agent. he told me about them building a stretch of border wall in arizona, this high-tech, very expensive wall. and they built it. and he said the next day the cartels were down there with a catapult throwing 100-pound-bales over the wall. you are not going to solve the opioid crisis at the southern border. that's politically convenient but a bit of a fantasy. >> i have more questions for you because the sackler family, it's

hard to discuss without mentioning them. and the push to just say no to sackler money. we're going to continue the conversation after the break. stay with us. that's decision tech.. only from fidelity.

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the sackler family, one of the most notorious families in the united states, blamed by many victims of the opioid crisis, for helping to fuel it for pure profit. the sacklers own pursue pharmaceuticals, the thousands of overdose deaths in america every year. in march of 2021, the family reached a roughly six billion dollar settlement with a group of states that had been suing produce form. they did that in exchange for immunity and its future civil lawsuits. but a bankruptcy judge rejected the settlement and the ruling currently on appeal. the movement against the billionaire dynasty enough for the philanthropic donations some of the world's most prestigious universities and museums. continues to snowball. the new documentary all the beauty and bloodshed, looks at the life of activist and golden who's been on a mission to convince museums to part ways with the --

family. >> we need to demand that the met museum to move and refuse donations from the -- and take down their name. >> the risks are scared -- >> we are back with keith and beth macy. the author of a brand-new book called raises thousands hope, justice in the future of the overdose crisis. both of them are authors and journalist about these crisis. patrick, you wrote the book about the family. the definitive book. in connection to the opioid crisis. explain why the settlement was significant. >> well, i think through a lot of people who have been pushing for accountability for the family for a long time. this is a family that, until recently, their name was in place at universities, art museums, and they're really celebrated as the cream of the crop. in america.

nobody was really connecting them to this terrible overdose crisis. that had such a hand and helping to create a -- un about this funny situation where the company and been bankruptcy. might want to how company it was generated $35 million in revenue from one drug had been back quincy. the reason because the family has been pulling money out of the company for ten years. leading up to this. so then she got all these lawsuits against the company and the family has taken more than ten billion dollars out of the company and they say well, too bad, the company's bankruptcy. so they got to keep the money. you end up with the sediment, and we are committed to pay six billion dollars. which received a lot or a little depending on your point of view. they're gonna get this sweeping grant of immunity. this is malcolm that i think left a lot of victims of the covid crisis feeling pretty raw. if you look at is not justice. >> you read the defensive book about the victims of the frontline. where it's also been said that while this deal was being held or did as a break through many of the victims of the opioid crisis found it so unsatisfying

because they have struggled, they've lost loved ones, they are still struggling, because of the epidemic. the family has voiced, quote, regret. but they denied any wrongdoing. in a court filing saying that they acted lofty in all respects and they sincerely respected oxycontin was a medicine that helped people to suffer chronic pain unexpectedly became part of the hope it crisis. and they lost parts many cry -- we should note, reached out, for additional comment from them and did not get it. what is your take on all of this? >> while, unexpectedly, it was a joke. they knew as early as 1999 that the drug was being widely diverted and sold in massively over prescribed. a doctor are profiled cause purdue, in the early odds and says, i know you're label says it is virtually not addictive but i've got kids as early as

babies were overdosing in the high school library. and they laugh at him. they brought him off as a joke. and they continue to do that. their recidivist criminals. the company has pleaded guilty twice. but none of the owners have been charged. so. i follow, and when you book, i followed the travails of people in pain. and the parents of the dead. they come together as an ad hoc community on accountability. last december. while the case was on its way to being revealed again. they held a rally outside of the department of justice. where they begged the doj to do it jacoby. and i think that is more than 1 million families want the doj to do. >> right may see and patrick right in key, thank you for being here tonight, thank you for journalism. it is so important and i'm so

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