we are now just 22 days off in the midterms. and it is far from clear, frankly, which side is gonna hold congress next year. the baits in close races tonight as candidates try to push themselves over the top. and, former president barack obama, is giving his party a bit of an furnished advised on what to stop doing. >> the life i am leading. they today.

how does politics even relevant to the things that i care most deeply about? ? my family, my kids. work that gives me satisfaction. >> having fun. not being a buzzkill vin >> sometimes democrats are, right? it sometimes people just want to not feel as if they are walking on eggshells. and they want some acknowledgment that life is messy. that all of us, at any given moment can, you know, say things the wrong way. make mistakes. >> join us now to discuss. cnn political correspondent -- former white house official will john doe. cnn political analyst, jonathan barton.

i'm glad to see you all here. what do you make of that comment? the idea of it almost is a newer way of talking about pc, and political correctness. the idea of not wanted to feel so uncomfortable about what is expected of you. in this america. >> obama's office hours are open. >> he does have a tendency to, sort of, lecture the party. at times, apparently when it needed. i think he's never been shy about it. he's particularly willing to do it. and to say things that frankly, other people in the party would never say. which is we can come up as cold sometimes, as democrats. and people really don't like that. it's part of this cultural rejection of the party. that isn't related to policy. he's trying to tell democrats that, look, you still as a democrat have to run a defensive style of politics. by that, i mean, you have to be

constantly aware of proving to the voters that you are not what they think your party is. >> is that how you interpreted? he was doing basically the democrats are to work? >> i think it is do you want to be exactly right? do you want to cross every t and dot every i and give every detail right or do you want to win and relate to people? i think, sometimes, we make the perfect enemy of the good and we're trying to actually connect with the person. they are messy, they are problems, they're just worried about the day-to-day. i think, sometimes, even though we get the policies right. we're giving people hearing aids. we're giving student loans, and we're doing things to help people daily lives. they feel a little disconnected from the profession side of the party. and what you're calling vulcan us. i think that is a low the term. >> he was saying was co-just trying to interpret. isn't that a code for, don't be a pasco? >> it is okay to mess up.

we want to have fun, you have to be perfect. i think you take that to extreme with some of these crazy candidates that are super flawed and not for in case of herschel walker others by think that appeal, sometimes, democrats forget that gorgeous people. i think it's a problem. >> there's not one part i want to go on. at the end of a clip, he actually uses his own mother-in-law as an example. he's -- the idea of, look, it is michelle obama would say. it's kind of like teaching her mother spanish. doesn't mean she doesn't learn spanish, but she's gonna get something wrong and the way that she's living, and java little bit of political grace. i wonder, let's just play it. let's harem. >> michelle talks about her mother-in-law, and her mother, my mother-in-law. who is it as an extraordinary person. but as michelle points out she's 86.

sometimes trying to get the rice phraseology, or talk about issues with michelle is like are trying to learn spanish. doesn't mean she shouldn't try to learn spanish, but it means that sometimes is not going to get the words right. and that is okay. and that attitude, i think, of just being a little more rail. a little more grounded. it's something that i think goes a long way and counteracting what is a systematic -- the systematic propaganda that i think is being pumped by fox news. and all these other outlets, all the time. >> there's a lot of things going on. and both parties, there's a lot of tax revising. there's a lot of existential threat. democracy, it's essential that the planet, yada yada yada which i think right people down a little bit. but i also think there's essentially a very long line for that. that has taken hold in parts of

the media, and certainly in academia. president bomb talk about teaching someone spanish. a great example of this is latinx. which is a way to de-gender eyes the spanish language. very popular in her lot of people the 2020 democratic primaries in this price. and don't bother to actually ask a lot of people and hispanic community whether they use the term or like the term, until well after. it turns on about two or 3% of the chinos in this country either are familiar with it, at all. wherever use it. and a lot of them find it condescending. there's this way where i think, a lot of democrats and liberals think they are actually being very inclusive. because they talk to other at least people, and academics, who say this is inclusive language that you need to use to talk about persons and said have mother, and for a lot of normal americans, who might be with them a lot of normal issues. are just sort of like i don't even know what language you're

speaking? >> i think you have to be up to speak and follow president boma well tonight which is, even as not actual language. yet be part of being inclusive person. and he said a great. having some grace. you can try to be inclusive, you can take all the new data, and things move, language changes. but also understand that not everyone will be with you. we are big diverse country, things happen in different places. and it's accepting that and not judging someone, either overtly or covertly. because they're not where you are. i think that is an issue. >> who is president boma talking to? it is not joe biden. his eye job and ever been accused of having to use exactly the right words. >> he's talking to the strategies and the candidates, and the democratic party. who he knows are feeling crossed measures from the elite sort of, academic and online crowd as joan would put it. but also, we have to be mindful of the broader -- and what obama saying to those

democratic actors. the strategists. a lot of americans feel like they have to walk on eggshells these days. they don't want to say the wrong thing. they're well-intentioned, they're good hearted people. but let's show them some grace, as you said. let's not judge them, and the spillable more careful. because as democrats were gonna pay a price, and we're seeing is being too darn preachy and to judgmental about people cause they don't have the right precise phrase in 2022. >> maybe talking to them. but i think he's really talking to republicans. and he's talking to independent voters. and he saying to them, listen, i know that president biden is the head of the democratic party. let's be honest, -- people are going to look at me and think i'm synonymous with the democratic party and i'm telling you, i'm letting you know, this is not trying to attack you. this is the idea that we can all sort of coexist. at the was trying, in many ways -- i think is trying to appeal to

the notion that there are some democrats who, at one point, made the comment about being so woke about removing abraham lincoln's name from different tools. talk about desantis's capitalize on this very notion to try to use these talking points. i think he's talking republicans. things talking to voters and saying hold on, just so you know, we are on the same page. don't think that the quote unquote extremes govern the party. >> and get your thoughts on that? >> close the podcast was on? >> he wasn't talking directly to republicans. >> i walked right into -- >> i get it. he knew it was going to be arrogant. >> i'm not sure it's part of it, but i think what he is just generally trying to do is say something as jay maher was saying. that is when the only guys who have to say the stuff you get by with it. like he gets permission to sort

of scold his own side. and also people across the aisle. by saying, hey look he might get the terms wrong but that doesn't mean we're not right, like the american people are. but he's done this before two. going back for at least the last four or five years. he'd repeatedly raise this issue about his own party. that is constant brought of. because he knows a lot of the time democrats don't win elections is not because the policy since because they're seen as culturally out of step with a broad swath of american voters. >> it's all tostitos, i am my sister's keeper, i my brother's keeper, were not red blue america. it goes back to the court fully is. bye to agree to this point that he's talking to a wider audience. >> is anybody going to pivot and change? when someone from brooklyn does that change? >> i hope so. i'm an elected official. i try to talk to everybody.

i think some people would hear that there's going to be parts of the party that have these purity tests. and, maybe to them they'll think twice about it. i think you'll see democrats, especially those who are facing numbers in the fall election start airing some ads that reflect the spirit of why the former president there is saying the least. >> thank you very much, great conversation, jonas thank you will and jonathan. stick around we have a lot more to talk about. so tell us what you think, you can switch townsend camerota and the laura coats and we will read some of your thoughts later this hour. i i'm just happy i was ablele to pick this baby. good on ya! we'll drivive you happy at carvana.

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more about the deadly attack that killed two connecticut police officers. the bristol police department, now releasing some of the body cam footage of the shooting. security says the suspect fired more than 80 rounds. killing sergeant -- and officer alex handsy before being killed by a wounded officer, alec raju. the footage we are about to play is from iraq's body cam. and i have to warn you, the audio in this clip alone is disturbing. you are going to hear screaming and you're going to hear gunfire. >> [noise] >> shots fired, shots fired. more cars, send everyone! [noise] >> officer shot! officer shot! >> [inaudible]

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>>. . >> let's bring in republican senate adjusts -- and we also have with us. that was a lot more awful than expected. that was awful to listen to. that was so horrible. that was a police officer, mr. von, who was wounded. >> just to give the context to, they were apparently lured under false pretenses of a domestic violence call. officers did what they were supposed to do to respond to

the scene to help. and it was an ambush. firing over 80 rounds. just to kill the officers. >> and, i mean, that is bristol connecticut, that is an awful awful story. and, then at least 54 police officers had been killed by gunfire this year so far. so, it is a very trying time. we know that for a long forsman, of course. it is a trying time in terms of crime. >> is it fair, jonathan, for republicans to paint democrats in this mid term as soft on crime or is this sort of a nationwide problem that you cannot pin on democrats? >> is it fair or is it effective? >> those are both good -- >> these are great questions. in politics, there's a lot that stunned that's not necessarily fair and that is suspect. but it is done because it has the possibility of offering a payoff at the polls. and that is why they're doing. it because they are finding every democrat who, in the last couple of years, said, everything remotely sympathetic

about the funding of the police and the candidate did that in the last couple of years. they were going to haul out that video, that tweet, that quote. and then they're going to bang it on the head with it. why? because crime is up an american cities are on the mind of a lot of voters so they are speaking directly to that fact. and i think you saw this really come into play at the start of the fall when gas prices went down over the summer. and, the gop needed a better issue. an issue that was going to pop. and obviously, crime, they believe could do that. and they believe that because they've got, like i, said these quotes and these clips from the last couple of years on democrats saying that the police should be defended or at least should be looked at. >> take a step back from the literal attack on the officers which, the ambush is just so disgusting. and it's so horrible to think about. these are people, this is somebody's children. taking it to the figurative now. and the attacks are being done against law enforcement more

broadly. the attacks, most recently, about the fbi. the attacks about law enforcement and general. i, mean we can't look at it in the vacuum that there is rhetoric out there. again, i'm not saying that a lot to this but there is rhetoric more broadly out there that has people having a very anti police sentiment. and, you put that in the same context as the crime discussions politically. what is the recipe making? >> yes, i, mean it is a toxic brew, i think. you bring up a good point. obviously, sympathy to those families and those officers who were lost. that bravery of that officer that was able to neutralize the suspect. it is a dangerous job. they know that when they signed up. and that is number called for. but you are bringing up a point like the delegitimization of law enforcement. whether be federal, state or local it has been an issue.

you combine that with, you know, i often say if you're an african american in this country you have the three pandemics. you have the pandemic, at the 40% of the fallout. 40% of businesses disappeared during black of. it and then you have the racial justice movement that breonna taylor, ahmaud arbery, george floyd, all of that happening at the same time where you felt and more. and i think that it created a sense of uncertainty. and again, a question from that side of are the people who are here to protect me here to protect me. and then you add in the rhetoric that you mentioned about the fbi. and then i think you get this mix where people are, like i don't respect authority. and that is a problem. >> well, one of the interesting things that they touched on this that it's effective. so, it's effective for republicans to beat democrats to solve crime. but, when you look at the numbers in terms of the amount of democrats in congress who ever thought that it was good to defund the police, it is a

fraction, it is a tiny fraction. i think that there's something like nine democrats who just voted against the invest to protect act. which gave two billion dollars in funding for police, and more hiring, and trending at the local state level. so, it is a very small percentage. but they're painting, they're using broad brush to pain all sorts of democrats that way. >> yeah, you know those images of lawlessness, that were from the summer of the black lives matter movement that turned into riots in some places. and, those rights were because they were bad actors. there's bad actors everywhere. i think, let's back up for a second. i think the conversation on policing in the past four years, in this country, the national conversation has been hugely irresponsible from both sides. and i think one person who actually offers is -- congresswoman val dealings. and i see that as a lifelong republican. someone who's a democrat, the name will come, back and i'll, say look, i'm a former member of law enforcement. and this is just not the way to talk about this stuff. i have not seen more democrats take that page out of a playbook. i hope they do. but i would say this. it's, that in this moment of

just policing, feeling like it's still such a heavy issue, how do we talk about. it we are the solutions. we can maybe look to the states. i think, in virginia, governor glenn youngkin has a unique opportunity here. he is next to what is considered a very evoke democratic-led city, washington d.c.. it could be a lot of experiments of source. let's see how he handles. crimes let's hear we stuff on. it there's a lot of gang violence and whatnot emerging in the northern virginia suburbs. actual suburbs. and, the governor could have a real opportunity to do something here and show to the world that republicans could be tough on crime in a way that could be bipartisan. >> a lot of people are watching virginia, and of course glenn can in particular, i'm sure glen desantis and maybe even trump. listen, the biden family, well, they know firsthand about pain and loss due to cancer which took the lives of moe biden. tonight, the first lady, giving an interview to the newsmax. a conservative cable channel about the cancer moon shot initiative. we will see what she's saying about that, next.

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cancer affects just about every american family. and, tonight, first lady joe biden talked publicly about the biden administration cancer moonshot administration. it's to cut the death rate from cancer in half. they sat down for an interview, the concerted -- , so good for her. good for her for doing. that for getting the word out

on any platform as she possibly can. obviously, conservatives need to hear about early screening, just like liberal -- let's hear how she framed it when she went on -- >> cancer is one of these issues. you know, it's not a red, issue a blue issue. cancer affects every american. cancer is such a terrible disease. but it is unifying people that are all coming to -- together to say yes, let's work with one another. and that reduced the incident as we know it. let's change the face of cancer. so, just like you said, it affects every american family. >> you, know the idea that i'm getting out of the media silos, so to speak, the expectation is that the president will go on certain that it works on this conversation. this is one such instant that really blows it all the water

for good reason. you know, secretary of pete buttigieg has gone on fox news, a number of, occasions talking about issue and hoping to breakthrough through the follow. in, fact he was on fox news talking about i think it was the idea of petroleum and other issues. let's play a little bit about what he said. >> here's a debate as to whether the president will resume taking money out of the strategic role and petroleum reserve, but we find it out the were even in that situation. >> you know, i definitely think that will be in a better situation when we are not dependent on a commodity that is largely being produced in foreign dictatorships. well, the state of play looks good. the senate is looking through the process. there's still a lot of procedure to be gotten through. but we are within, days possibly within hours of seeing this historic legislation that's going to get us better roads and bridges. >> i, mean it didn't necessarily be newsworthy that you've got cabinet members

going on the network. yet, in the climate that we are in, to have it not be acrimonious, and about what people care, about not just the talking points is impactful. >> i also think that the issue for democrats who choose to go on places like news, max, or fox, they say yes, it's a fair hearing with caputo. but he also couldn't -- democrats know that in the next, block a few minutes later, in the next show, he will be sliced and diced and made fun of. and so, are you legitimizing these networks when you actually go on and tried to get the message out? or is it worth it? >> i mean, it's a catch way, to the idea of don't go on at all before people are going to believe that there's an opportunity to criticize at the next. block don't go on. and they say that they won't go on with this. the only go on with city networks. i mean, you're if you, down 50. don't and you know who suffers the people who are watching hoping to have information. it's the idea of what's going to happen next.

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the application process is now up and running for president biden's plan to cancel the $20,000 of student debt for borrows making less than $125,000 a year. >> president biden, touting the released today. and heading back to his critics. >> republican members of congress, republican governors, we're trying to do everything they can to deny this. believe even to their own constituents. as soon as i announced my administration student debt plan, they started attacking it and saying all kinds of things. they are outraged and wrong and hip -- hypocritical. i will never apologize for helping working americans, working class people as they recover from the pandemic. especially not the same republicans who voted for two trillion dollar tax cuts in the last administration, mainly benefited the wealthy america largest corporations. >> the administration says that more than 1 million americans have already signed up to the

beta version of the application that went live just on friday. back with, us weldon, rondo jonathan martin and -- a cool nickname, there you go. >> hashtag at jay maher. you're all co-as we know. >> i like that. but you, know what's happening right now this application, first of all we all know that we've come back to the care act for how important it is for a website to function. and when it doesn't function, all of it can go away and then it's working. what do you think? >> 8 million people apply. there's 40 million americans with student loan dead for a one point trillion dollars. the fastest, only seconds to credit card that. and it's a big deal. i mean, as joe biden would say. >> he had a deal. he added words to. it probably a deal to. look, he's right, the tax cuts for wealthy americans, the ppp loans for the members of

congress and other prominent republicans, very wealthy people have forget it. this is people who, i worked on the senate education committee. we know that many people were targeted with these predatory loans. they didn't get a good education for. it's someone to school, they got a good education. and i think that this is a core of what american. is we were the innovators of k-12 public education. not just for white male landowners. we stopped, and in other countries, germany, other countries start giving post secondary education for free because they know it creates jobs, well, we have poverty. and now we want to make people feel bad and the hope than when they struggle through the pandemic. i think it's a winning issue, i think it's the right thing and i think people are gonna sign up for. >> it's not universalist it? >> i mean you already have 20 to republican governors which was last month opposing it, you have lawsuits happening right now claiming that biden didn't have the authority to do so. and they also think it's gonna increase inflation so as a republican, what do you think

about? it >> will, anytime that i think you want to help people do better which is not cripple them what's getting called soundbite, and that's a good. thing look, i came out of college in the 2000. so, i'll tell, you this has been an issue for my generation we are living with it and it hurts. but there are people on my side of the aisle who think that this is unfair. and i don't fully disagree because this is helpful but helpful, enough it feels like it was a little bit of candy. it was a promise that biden made good on. none anytime a politician fulfills a promise, i think it's a good thing. but this is treating a symptom, again. what about tackling the real problem, and that is tackling the cost of the root. this is a problem that the schools have put on us. and i do think that that's what's been missing from the conversation, so. nice website emily million people are getting great. but i have, friends for, example who right before the pandemic moved their loans and those ones have no chance of forgiveness and i think that there are some things that we can do here and one of those things is capping here. capping the interest rate at 1% for federal loans.

let's cap it at 2% for federally held wire to be talking about more remedies because it feels like biden did this senate republicans are mad about it. well, what you proposed is that politically feasible? >> look, i think joe biden was reluctant about doing it. he dragged his feet down for some time. he was very public on the network, at the town hall, in 2021 when he was asked about it and he didn't, want to see, put it to give a break to folks who went to harvard and yale. he eventually did this and i think that he did this along with the marijuana issue in part because it's good politics going to a midterm election. democrats always have a difficult time getting sporadic voters out in the midterms especially younger voters and these are two potent issues for younger voters and that's why biden is holding that event and that's why he's reading that line about the republicans and the hub proxy he's trying to get his side galvanize before the election and this could be a powerful issue.

the flip side though is that it is there more support an energy for are democrats getting more for it than their suffering backlash among voters who say that they paid off $50,000 over 20 years that wasn't easy but now you're giving them free lunch. i'm not sure which of those two sides -- >> but what about what she said, which is the root of the problem? which is tuition. it's gone up exponentially more than wages and value, actually. of an undergrad education. >> couldn't agree more. bipartisan moment. if you look at the chart, it's like that. the cost of education. that is a problem. we do have to tackle the, road but let's do both things at the same time. it doesn't help to fix the root of the problem when you're sitting, they're saddled with debt. and you can't get a job. you're struggling with health care. i think that we need to reduce that burden and fix that problem. and, that is a legislative fix. there needs to be hired occasion that's changing. it is more online now for many people.

that drives some cost. down, so i think it's the next housing level. there is no way that it can continue to grow at the same rate and with the return not being with the investment. the part of it requires a real paradigm shift about how we value higher dictation. there is such snobbery, as it's associated with the degree that you have and i'm a believer that the paper is only good as the person who carries it. but the idea, and thinking about how we have a real snob race around higher education. we don't really have the american dream as often tied to every other attainment, as we do for what school you go. to and, so i just wonder as we're talking about these conversations and what needs to happen is it realistic that that mentality can also change in the span of a presidential tenure let alone congress, professional to. well, biden has similar concerns about being seen as giving a break to people who are already privileged. they already has college agrees

but i think we obviously get over that concern. but yes, this gets to the heart of how the democratic party is perceived. and this is why it's a very delicate issue. they don't want to come off as being seen as we're trying to get folks a break went to college. and there were people who didn't go to college who already feel, and some, cases like they're being looked down upon and they're saying where is my break to. and this will always be an issue for the democrats it being sensitive about full circle. here it's why we saw president obama earlier and telling them to speak very carefully. , well it's one of those areas that this time it seems a little bit flat to me. it's one of the areas that we talk about. i mean, i don't hear the same argument being made about people who have the roads faith, our taxes are done. i mean, people will say, why do have to pay for the cost of public school? i don't have any kids? my kids don't go there, my kids aren't in public school. they don't do all these things and i just wonder why is this so much a bit of a gravy chain

of a talking point. ? >> because it feels like another hand out by the government and that's what it's always been on the right. we don't want handoff on big brother. we're gonna do this ourselves. we're gonna lift ourselves up. >> which is it's never true. hardly ever true. >> it is not of a true. >> here's the thing, i'm a big believer that not everybody has to go to college. i really feel that way. i didn't enjoy my cleaning experience, i thought was a really lost four years for me. i feel like i learned more after i left. that is not a slight to my school, that is not a sight to the people raised me, it's just a fact that i don't think college is really devalue will, to be very frank. but we don't talk about what the alternative. vocational training. technical training. the top on the right but making america great and competing with everybody in the world. >> we used to have -- >> tim ryan in ohio quite a bit. who was not a huge supporter of president biden who said he's trying to focus on issues like community college, both tech

training, and try to make democrats relevant again with a lot of work class voters. >> yes community college, yes vocational training, communications which is often $5,000 a year for most students. so it's a really important option. but this idea of handouts. i mean even with hideouts, these tax breaks, the ppp loans, the trickle down economics. >> it's elective you're saying. >> let's give money to the job creators. you can't have it both ways. >> so the taxpayers pay for community college for everybody? >> as a policy thing, let's have that debate. i think the returns are far greater. we have a thing that we've shrunk the amount of debt holders to only the top 2%. they spent time in american history or patrick holders were equally divided along the wealth distribution. leave squeezed innovation out of people we can't even health care, childcare, care to go to college. i need you to open those things up. we would have more innovation. it's a debate we should have. but i think this is a --

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in our country, and that antisemitism still exist. everyone should go to the holocaust museum, meaning, not just the. >> you are involved in the history. and them didn't mean the ones in l.a. but, in washington d.c.. that one comes in and says as a black gen xer who sat in the same club in classroom as president boma. his comments sound like a request for a political correctness cease-fire for a generational court at the polls this november. >> i think that's what it was. okay, president bomb is saying great things. withdrawn democrats, trump lawyer republicans and independents should be listening to him. >> those probably are the people are listening to him, actually. >> he knew that when he spoke it be broadcast in so many places. some places picked apart, other places, obviously priced. other things condemned. keep those coming, you know to find us. house on camera and at the lower codes. everyone you cannot be part of

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>> good evening tonight, what some candidates are saying and what that says about where we are as a functional reality based democracy. herschel walker versus reality versus what is industry the true. in his college of pro football career, he accomplish what most can only dream of. he is a two-time all-american running back, three-time player of the year with a heisman trophy to his name. he played a pro ball for some of the best teams in the league, competed in the 1992 winter olympics, and co-chair the

president's council on physical fitness and sports. all of that in short, to say that herschel walker has slot to be proud of. among those accomplishments though, is not a degree from the university of georgia as he is claimed because he never graduated, let alone as he also claimed, in the top 1% of his class. his claim that he was a high school valedictorian, he wasn't. he suggested that he was an fbi agent. >> i spent time at quantico at the fbi training school as an agent. >> he wasn't. he did claim that he was obviously joking, which he did not make clear at the time. this year when the atlanta journal constitution reported his comments as a serious claim, walker's campaign did not tell the newspaper the he was joking. in any case, claiming that nonexistent ties to law enforcement is a familiar refrain of his. in a speech in 2017, he said quote, i work with the cobb county police department and i've been in criminal justice all my life. now, he is standing by this moment from his debate with incumbent democrat -- >> now i have to respond to that. >> we are going on.