>> thank you so much for joining us tonight. you can follow me on facebook, instagram, twitter, and the tiktok at jake tapper. the coverage continues with the magnificent laura coats, and the fantastic alison -- how are you? >> i wait for the adjectives every time. the different every time. but they're always right on the nose. >> yes! >> somehow, always true. [laughs]

>> i have a tavares and i make use of. what can i say? >> jake, we are just talking about how much we enjoyed your monologue. kanye west is buying parlor. what can go wrong? >> take someone with obvious debility issues and a nasty view of the jewish people and give him a social media platform. sounds great. >> yeah. i think maybe he thinks he's the new elon musk. the conversation just broadly being about, hey, let's make sure everyone has a say. the problem is, i think half the time, people who think that cancel culture -- they don't realize nobody wants to hear the antisemitism. they're not canceling the, you canceling the idea that -- wasn't it already canceled? it's bizarre to me. >> yeah. what i thought was interesting -- i didn't know this. i didn't know he was a billionaire. his worth about two billion dollars. >> i didn't know that th e

other. i learned that on your show tonight. >> well -- >> it doesn't surprise me, he's a genius. i mean, he is brilliant. and it's a travesty to see what's going on with him. >> i don't know. maybe i'm in an unpopular position here, but i've seen the documentary. i know there was one called genius, i know people talk about him that way. but have a difficult time using that word for people who have a few points that i find so problematic and so unhinged. can you separate the man from his aren't? i think using musical genius --

>> and i know that's a distinction people make. but in my mind, i think to myself, are we gonna use that wired sparingly? i'm like, magnificent ar e fantastic, which you use all the time -- i just have a problem with it. i mean, the idea that you can spout and spew harsh rhetoric in that way and still get to be called a genius? i just find that a little stomach turning. >> well, henry ford was a genius. he was also a notorious antisemite. i mean, if you're gonna start

talking about geniuses who are racists, we're gonna mention 99% of all the geniuses that ever lived. >> you know what, i'll say that 100 percent of them can't be a genius. if you get that so wrong about life. that's what i say about that. and everyone will say, come, on laura -- >> laura, coats the genius arbitration. >> maybe! >> apparently i can never use the word, and that's fine with me.

>> well, jake, we'll be talking much more about all this. think some much, have a great night. >> bye, guys. great to see you. >> this whole show is about being a genius. okay -- >> the entire thing. we have great panelists for. good evening, everyone. i'm alison. >> and i'm laura coats, the genius arbiter. we hear -- across the political spectrum. midterms are 22 days a week now. can you believe that? early voting has already begun

in some places. it's not a debate night across america, and well, things are getting pretty heated. >> we pulled some of the highlights or possibly low lights from the debates in georgia, ohio, and utah. >> you were there to stand up for our constitution. but when the barbarians were at the gate, you are happy to let them in. >> i think i disagree with everything my opponent just said, including the words but and the. an information free, truth free

statement. something of a record. >> j. d., you talk about nancy pelosi. if you want to run against nancy pelosi, move back to san francisco and run against nancy pelosi. >> you vote with her 100 percent of the time. you can't run from the policies that she's supported -- >> we were giving tax refunds. we were doing tax cuts. we are suspending the gas task to help you deal with four-year high inflation and she was criticized for this. >> we need a governor who believes in racial, economic equity in the state of georgia. and i will deliver. >> we have a lot to talk about. >> gloves are off in many respects, right? >> oh, i think they've been off. >> where they on? quite a while. let's bring in our cnn senior political analyst, kristen powers. we also have --

goldberg, and -- the pivot podcast from new york media. great to have you all here in the studio with us. all right, kirsten, who's the bigger lapdog? j. d. vance or tim ryan? >> that's the debate. yeah. and what they're ultimately trying to do is to say who's the person that stands up for ohio. right? they're trying to say, you know, j. d. vance is claiming that he stands with nancy pelosi, which is kind of a weird argument to make. >> he ran against her! >> he's not really nancy pelosi 's democrat. and then, j. d. vance has, quote unquote, kissed trump's butt, which basically is somewhat accurate. right? if you have to listen to what

he said, going from trump is this horrible human being, to seeking his endorsement, and really becoming a trump republican. but ultimately, when i think about trying to say to the betters is, i'm the one who's the below hire win, who's gonna stand up for ohio. >> it's kind of the new outsider discussion. for a long time -- look, i'm not like the people in the so-called swamp. i'm not one of them. i'm not a bureaucrat.

now, we're becoming all the more politics is local. i'm gonna prove to you that this is where i come from, and i can relate. like in pennsylvania, discussions about who's the real person from their. the battling that adds between the street they lived on or the neighborhood therein, trying to decide. it's not really where we ought to be in terms of appealing to voters? >> well, i think part of what you can get his people want to seem authentic. and they're willing to go great lengths to fake it. but, i think what we also described is one of the fundamental problems we have with our political culture generally. everyone wants to be an outsider.

i have a lot of criticism of mitch mcconnell, but at least he's willing to be like, yeah, no, i'm on the inside. i'm the guy running things. we need more people and institutions who are actually willing to say no, i'm the one responsible, rather than -- donald trump spent four years talking about the presidency like it wasn't his job. i think that's a big problem with cultural generally. joe biden does that as well. and all these people want to talk about being attacks. that means they have no responsibility for what's actually going on, what's actually happened.

and it's a really sort of i didn't do it dysfunctional thing. >> i hear you. they want to be a political outsider, but all from pennsylvania. >> ted cruz has been running as an outsider for a decade. >> he can remember when there were the riots happening from portland and leon? you had trump who was -- saying this is biden's america. everyone kept thinking, well, actually, you still the president of the united states. >> it's all for the social media, it's all for the clips, the momentary back and forth. herschel walker pulling at that batch that he pulled out is somewhat ridiculous. but it was for the momentary minute that you take away from

it. i think they're all attuned to that. that's been a part of debating for a long time. but, now the substance is getting sucked out of it so they can have these little moments that resonate over and over again. >> how about what we've seen in georgia? we played a clip there of

democrat casey abrams -- obviously, they have different approaches, but they can both say that they know georgia. what do you hear? >> well, i think she's an incredibly impressive person. as a huge national following. but she's running against someone who is known statewide in georgia, and is considered to be a pretty reasonable republican, and, and so, i think it's been a tougher race than originally anticipated. -- >> i just interviewed her last week. i think she feels as if she's more of a georgian that's been there. and she's been in the state senate, so she's not a national figure. but she just became one. >> a surprise the race is so close? >> she thinks she's gonna win. that's of course what he has to say to me another interview ours. but i think she's trying to put out brian kemp, who's the rock and commend -- the only thing he did was not defy trump on the election, and he shouldn't get a badge for that. that's all he did. but everything else he did, when abortion and other issues, it's quite radical. >> i think a problem is

different. she took sides with sort of a national political coalition against oregon state. at least, that's the way it's perceived by a lot of people in the state. she bought into the jim crow two point oh staff. >> you mean, the idea that -- to characterize the voter legislation, and jim crow two point oh is problematic for the state of georgia? it's like the rudy giuliani question. and i don't have a good answer for it either. >> not even slightly the same person. >> really interesting. unbelievable to think about. dr. jekyll mr. hyde, whenever you appeal to the base, that's what you're doing. that's a problem in general. but we'll see, that poor little girl, i don't mind people, it's a child we're talking about. yet again being used as a political pawn. >> backlash against the former president who kurdish -- criticized jewish americans for not being more appreciative of his moves on israel. let's look at why that's a problem, and how it all plays out into one big antisemitic trope next. >> tech: at safelite, we take care of vehicles with the latest technology. when my last customer discovered a crack in his car's windshield, he scheduled at safelite.com. safelite makes it easy. we're the experts at replacing your glass... ...and recalibrating your advanced safety system.

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>> former president donald trump is facing a lot of -- facing a lot of backlash tonight after complaining that u.s. jews aren't appreciative, his words, appreciative enough of his policies towards israel. i want to bring back in to our conversation -- the ceo of the holocaust museum in los angeles. back, i'm very glad you're joining us tonight.

it's unfortunate that this topic is perpetually brought up because of the extraordinarily unfortunate antisemitic marks that are being made way too commonly. and i just wonder, and your role, and what you do, it must be particularly jarring that people still are not educated on this issue enough to know how hurtful it is. >> -- >> are you able to hear me? >> yeah. >> okay, i want people to -- i think you weren't able to hear my question. i was wondering what your opinion was in terms of how trying this must be in terms of your work in the holocaust museum in los angeles -- people are still posting and saying this hateful rhetoric. >> holocaust museum ally's mission is to inspire humanity through truth. and the defects me personally.

my grandmother had a number burned into her arm -- 79335 has been etched in my memory just because my grandmother's life wasn't deemed to be worth -- to be a human being. she wasn't worthy of being a human being. she watched her own parents and her siblings walk into the gas chambers. so it's really important for us to remember that words have responsibility. the holocaust started with words. when we see people like kanye west post where it's filled with hate and lies and antisemitism, he needs to

understand where that racism and prejudice can lead. so that's what we do at the holocaust museum. we educate kids and people of all ages about the lessons and social relevancy of the holocaust. >> it's so important, and i know you've mentioned at least one person who's an artist. but this also came in part from a former president of the united states, who is making statements, somehow, to perpetuate a trope that somehow jewish americans have a loyalty towards israel as opposed to -- that somehow on base of the religion, they're supposed to feel appreciative to the point of -- vote only in one direction. there are consequences, and i wonder, when these statements are said by someone like a president of the united states, what does that mean, do you think, for how -- damage not only done in politics, but across the globe? how do people think about this? this is making it okay? >> i think it's another form of antisemitism. this is just -- donald trump is perpetuating a

false narrative. and we know there are jews, many different kinds of jewish people who share many different kinds of beliefs. and he's just perpetuating another false narrative. >> when you think about the consequences, there's a rise of hate, and actions can result from that as well. what do you hope people will understand about the consequences and how to course correct this type of rhetoric? >> we know that education is the greatest catalyst for change. and it's really important for people to understand the holocaust did not happen overnight. it didn't just fall from the

sky. it's a series of events that happened over time. and hate speech, the lies, antisemitism, these are things that are coming into our public discourse today. and it feels very mainstream. and like i said earlier, the holocaust started with words. and we know what can happen when hatred and bigotry go unchecked. so we all have a social responsibility to educate people about what can happen. because it keeps happening again and again. >> thank you so much. thank you for helping to fight for education in this area and particular. >> thank you. >> -- >> alison, just the idea of it becoming so mainstream. can you imagine? >> 2021 had the highest antisemitic incidents. it was a new high. now, as she inviting kanye west to the holocaust museum in l. a.? >> they've been people -- who she's done it over time. i remember there was a big visit in washington, d. c., with marjorie taylor greene at one point, the congresswoman from georgia. i think that still on the table, but i have to wonder. the idea of doing it individually, to educate, what ought to be done more

collectively, it's just really troubling to me. that piece by piece, after all this time, people are still learning this? >> i think it can't hurt. i think it can't hurt for him to go and have to see it and have to live it and have to feel it on some level. he has 30 million followers. so yes, it's one by one educating people, but he does have an impact. like it or not, he does have an effect. and so, i think it would help. i think -- we'll be right back with our panelists. we're carvana we created a brand new way for you to sell your car go to carvana answer a few questions and our techno wizardry calculates your car's value and gives you a real offer in seconds we'll come to you pay you on the spot then pick up your car that's it at carvana

>> a source tells cnn that kanye west and donald trump spoke by phone today about west acquiring social media site parlor. just last week, last, who changed his name to ye, was locked out of 20 fernandez medic post. -- the ceo of the anti defamation league, jonathan greenblatt, is quite concerned about this.

he says it's key to understand that he did not just purchase some benign social media website where -- it's a safe haven for racists and white supremacists. what do you -- >> he hasn't bought it. he spotted in principle. i don't think it's ever gonna close. >> why? >> it's just not. it doesn't make any sense at all from a business point of view. it's not a lot of troubles in business with a lot of partners. it's a marketing opportunity for parlor, for sure. they've been trying to dabble on all sorts of business. -- 20, the big giant among them, is a terrible business. so it's not a great business. i don't know if he's gonna realize that, and i don't see any economic opportunity for anyone. he's gonna recognize this. >> so tell us how is purchase in principle -- different from the elon musk

discussion about 20. that's a back and forth conversation. how would this be different? >> well, it's not. he didn't make a binding contract. it doesn't seem like he did. there's almost no details about this, and there's a lot of details about what elon promised to do with 20, which is buy it for $54. 20 a share. and that's what he's gonna have to do, because he signed a binding contrasts. this is one in principle. it sounds like it was struck at the last minute. i, cam parler has. been struggling as a small investment -- it wasn't an f t, so now that mark it as trashed. it was telling trump nft is at one point. i bought you one, houston. >> but even if he didn't buy it

-- do you think he has free reign to say whatever he wants on parler? >> i think he has free reign to say anything he wants wherever you guys. i don't know if he needs parler to do so. when he said on the other services, he got kicked docked of, he totally deserved it. he broke their terms of service. parler, we're not sure. they have a lot of moderation on parler, they just don't enforce it. they say -- free speech. there's a lot of terrible stuff on the platform. they've improved since january 6th, though. >> what do you guys think about the idea -- is often the conversations surrounding, you've got to be able to say anything you want. that's the whole enticement of these different social media platforms. you, no consequences be, i have this free speech right, as if and when you just named is the -- think about it in a loose way. should the air be more policing

of the content? >> it's not policing. it's called editing. >> okay. i will use the word policing because that's the terminology that people use. >> it's not the government. >> i, mean it's true. it's not the government. but the idea of ensuring that you are following certain laws or regulations in terms of terms of use is essentially a definition of the word policing. >> well, i do think there's an idea of free speech that's outside of the government. you, know that we would want to foment free speech having differing ideas in the public square when we battle at these ideas. i always love is when people say, i got banned because i'm conservative. and it's, like well you arguing for low taxis or big military? now, i was blaming the choose for all the problems in the world. i didn't know that was a conservative position. so we do have some standards, some guardrails in society, and that doesn't mean you're free speech is being taken away from you. you can still say the things.

you're not gonna go to jail. do you know how hard it is to get kicked off of twitter? i could show you what is said to me on a daily basis. >> i shattered to think. >> garbage. that i've reported and always get something back saying, this is not violate our terms of use. >> that's amazing. >> right? so the idea that somehow people are being silenced from expressing political views is nonsense. that being, sometimes, punished occasionally for saying things, for threatening people. for saying things that are dangerous. >> that's the point. >> i agree entirely with kara and kirsten. i've had these arguments with free speech absolutist says for many years. they say i'm gonna plea against censorship. so can saturday morning television have pornography? -- that's responsible stewardship

of a platform. part of it is a business proposition. and kara makes a very good point. everyone on the right likes to talk about twitter as big tech. it's actually pretty medium sized small tech. it's not even near the capitalization of, say, google or anything like that. and these other things are just microscopic. but we treat them as if they're a much bigger thing because i'll be the one in the political conversation is very online. most americans aren't. the only thing that really -- you, know bothers me about the attention on the artist formerly known as kanye's, i don't want to hear the guy. i think he's got mental health issues. he's been exploited by a bunch of people, and what drives me crazy is the number of people who are amplifying and monetizing and cashing in on his mental health problems. what they'll do is they'll say, oh look, here's what he said about what big corporations are doing and they're trying to

silence him for this. it's, like no no, it's actually the stuff about the jews that they're saying he's ran afoul on. he can talk about big tech and he can talk about capitalism all he lakes, and it's this bait and switch. you see it from a lot of right-wing sites who are trying to say that this guy is being canceled for things other than the tea sentimentalism, which is a de facto erasure of antisemitism. >> it's also a business. let's be honest. advertisers don't wanna -- they don't want to be in a cesspool. >> you don't see a bright future for parler? >> i don't. i told us to george farmer, the ceo. very smart guy. but it's difficult to make a business. he's tries a lot of things and i've interviewed the previous ceo who got fired, because he just sort of aggregated any responsibility on that platform after january 6th. but it's gotta be a good business, ultimately. and just not. and twitter has not made a sense since it's been found it. elon musk is about by a company for 44 billion dollars that's worth seven. i would like to take the money and shovel it into an oven. it's the same thing. >> i want to go to --

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saturday night light doing what it does best this past weekend, tapping all things, well, political. -- the show focused on last week's january six committee hearing, particularly the role that nancy pelosi and chuck schumer played on that very day. >> todd was desperate to hang on to power. meanwhile, real heroes like nancy pelosi and chuck schumer where the ones actually running this country. >> mr. vice president, mr. vice president. speaker pelosi again. >> tell them i'm here to. >> mr. vice president, whereas president trump? what is he doing? >>, i, mike it's chuck schumer. i'm here as well. >> let me tell you, if trump comes here right hat now, i'm gonna punch him in the face. then i'll be happy. >> and let me tell you, if trump comes, i'm gonna let him punch me in the face. i'll go to the hospital. >> i want to bring in pete

dominic, host of the pete dominic podcast. jonah goldberg and kara swisher also back. -- >> no it's, not geddes. it's a great to be on your side with this talented group. i don't even know i am. here we support each other. comedians support each other, and that was hilarious. >> that was good. >> i'm so patriotic when i watch saturday night live every saturday, because what a great country we live in. for 45 years, they've made fun of the most powerful people in the world, and they can do it again next saturday night. obviously, you do this also. stephen colbert and the daily show, not the places you've worked. it's a great country. nobody has been stopped for making fun of the most powerful people. thank god. >> now, i mean comedians have been doing it forever. i think we get too much credit. oh, you're supposed to speak truth to power. you can, and if you, do great.

but you don't have to. but i erected the daily show, and the colbert report, now i'm at john oliver tonight, of course, i've been doing standup my whole career. but i think -- speak to this. two of us can. you guys are hilarious on twitter yourselves if you want to be. the so many places to be funny and say things and go viral, and you don't have to have the huge network and platform. i've seen so many, quote, no name comedians get massive as a result. >> do you think snl still has cultural rough events? >> sure. until monday. i mean, it airs on saturday night, we love, it we watch it, they still have great writers, this of great performance. but it's a network show on 11:30 on saturday night. it's still great, but there's so many other things available. and there's so many other comedians, just because you're on snl doesn't near the best. just because you're anywhere doesn't hear the best. there's so many great

independent comedians doing great things. you saw that one and i gotta be a thrown honor at stage, and she got famous overnight because of that terrible thing, and she handled it. but you come to find out, she's also a very funny comedian. >> the thing i think is so fascinating that around this time, the better start to lean into the midterms, even more than they have been before. and then, you have snl, who begin -- and i think about the tina fey 's. i think about the alec baldwin 's. i think about the impersonations, and how it can really shape the way that people start to view -- >> and makes either a mockery of them. people come in --

hey, i like this person even more. and you think about the way that satire, more in where, is shaped -- the last time it mattered was tina fey doing sarah palin. it really changed -- >> all for you kate mckinnon, rudy giuliani. the cross gender stuff i think has been really great to see. women making fun of men by playing men. >> it's making a real difference, as what i'm saying. people saw the tina fey skit, i think -- >> we have it. let's play it. >> i believe that diplomacy should be the cornerstone of any foreign policy. and i can see russia from my house! >> you think that actually did change some voters minds? >> i think it. that i think it was very powerful. >> and now, as we, saying there's other places --

if you look at the numbers, viewership is down on all of television. kate will tell you you all know this. and people are getting things from tiktok or whatever and little pieces and different places. you can't decide where people are gonna become famous anymore. so that's a real -- >> i know i'm a skunk in a garden party when it comes to this kind of stuff, but first, well as an all has had good years in bad years. i think it was terrible on politics for all eight years of obama. they had political writers said basically, you can't make a joke about that guy. he's too perfect. and a lot of people on my side of the aisle saw this as a perfect example of how the culture goes one way. a lot of political committee is a mono culture. a lot of the network comedy shows all come from the same perspective. to me, they land jokes better than others. >> some things are objectively funny. >> that's why i get to argue.

because it's the only thing i might know more about than jonah does. because i've been doing comedy so long. it's is true that obama was really hard to make fun of. it's true. and if a conservative comedian could've excelled at making fun of obama, they would have, and they shut off. but they didn't. it was a free market, as we've been talking about. he was hard to make fun of. he didn't have to take, he wasn't constantly a parody of himself, whereas now today, comedians so often say that since the trump era, media has changed so much. there are parity of themselves. >> i grant you. easy thing for you to grant. donald trump is easier to make

fun of than barack obama. one reason why don trump cesar to make fun of than barack obama, among myriad of the reasons, is that there's a lot of audience capture in late night television, in the daily show, -- he was brilliant. he was really guided. he also basically did -- he was telling the audience is what they wanted to hear about politicians, the way they wanted to hear it.

and there's a certain amount of sort of preaching to the choir that you've got. some are really good at it. it doesn't mean they're not funny, but there is a definite sort of sense -- >> how do you explain the idea that people like, there are people that did go too far, but you have the jim carrey and others who are saying, look, we're being criticized for our economy and the, you're saying we go too far when we're criticizing people for example. >> comedians also make fun of joe biden. >> i was saying -- >> the obama era, he wasn't touched. the reason why i think that's wrong is because, look at what comedians are doing to joe biden. all day, all the time. he's very -- >> i'm not the professional comedian. but if we're gonna talk as allison is talking about how brave and wonderful and great this country is because

comedians get the fun of the people in power, going eight years without making fun of anything about barack obama -- >> i'm interviewing larry will more tomorrow on my show, and he made fun of barack obama at the white house correspondent center. everyone did. i remember -- >> well, you said you couldn't. >> we've established that obama is not funny. i can agree with that. but i think the issue is, how do people get their humor? especially young people, how they get their human? they absolutely don't get it from big shows anymore. maybe a moment and something pops out, and you're like, oh, that's funny. why do nearly one million businesses choose stamps.com to mail and ship? stamps.com is convenient you get the services of the post office right on your computer stamps.com saves you money with great rates from usps and ups mail letters ship packages anytime anywhere for less a lot less get our special tv offer a 4-week trial plus postage and a digital scale go to stamps.com/tv and get started today

>> george clooney sitting down with chris wallace for a wide ranging interview last night, and clooney offered a story about the donald trump used to know. >> there is a world where we could go back to where we work. i don't think it's as likely as people think, but i was wrong about the first election. i didn't think people what -- i didn't think people would

vote for someone who is so deeply flawed. you know. i know donald trump. i mean, that's the thing. i have a phone number in my phone book. he was look at you came to the virus and ask me about what cocktail waitress was single. that's really what. >> this is back in the 90s? >> now, back in the 2000s, quite honestly. and so, there's this part of you that just goes, that k shouldn't be president. but i was wrong, and he was. and our democracy, i believe, paid a price, certainly around the world. and i worry about the possibility. >> you forget sometimes just how much he was a part of the social scene, donald trump. it's -- like >> yes, laura. a lot of people knew him just as george clooney was describing. donald trump, the real estate mogul of yesteryear. and people thought that was harmless and start of all fun

and games, and then something shifted, and he was wrong about it suppression. they also goes on to say in this interview, and i think it just echoes what so many of us feel, he said, the new drug, the new cruelty, is let's send migrants, people seeking legal asylum here, let's send them without any warning, because it's fun to own the liberals. it's all about -- basically, he's saying it's a game and the civil discourse is so rancid right now, and it's all about who can you hurt? i think so many people feel that way, but nobody is able to stop it for some reason. >> that's the scary part. the idea that for the reasons you talked about, if any free one is upon, remember we at the veterans at one point -- congress had an issue with that same thing. that's why people are so disgusted, by the way, with politics. let's get your reaction here tonight on twitter. here's one that came in about 20 west. it's, as kanye west definitely needs to go to the holocaust museum to get reeducated on the holocaust, the same way we require those who try to downplay slavery, jim crow, and segregation. we also want to hear more about your thoughts tonight. have you join the conversation. what do you think about what george clooney had to say about the prevent saddened and other topics today? can we go back to where we wear?

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