a remarkable image from 254 miles above earth. astronauts on the international space station captured this image. so you see these two mysterious looking blue orbs in earth's orbit. the one on the bottom is actually a lightning strike. here's something i never thought about. most of the time the iss does not see lightning strikes because there's some between the iss and the lightning, but at this moment there was a gap so you see the image and the other was the moon's light hitting the earth's atmosphere. anderson starts now. >> audio recorded by

investigator reporter and bob woodward of the former president. some of it was played on cnn earlier today but what you'll hear tonight has never aired. from 2016 through 2020 woodward taped his conversations with the former president. he will be releasing all 20 of these conversations on the 25th of this month as an audio book titled the trump tapes which runs for more than eight hours. cnn has obtained a copy and what you'll hear tonight is striking. it speaks to who he was as president, who he is as a person and how completely intertwined the personal and presidential were for him and probably still are. something that's not just apparent in what he says but even more so in how he says it. something the printed word just can't fully convey. the conversations also speak directly to some of what the former president is now being investigated for. namely how he views classified material and a president's responsibility for safe guarding some of the countries deepest secrets and that's why these conversations which have never been heard

before are so significant. cnn special correspondent has the exclusive on this tonight. she joins us now with some of the audio. what stands out to you the most? >> i think as you said, it's hearing trump say these words and you're in the room with bob woodward. it is trump unvarnished, blunt, propane. it will not surprise you that he attacks people he doesn't like and he boasts about himself over and over and over. but what's also revealing anderson is how trump seems to me to try to impress bob woodward, including at times telling him about classified information. >> i have weapon systems that nobody has ever had in this country before. we have stuff you haven't even seen or ever heard about. we have stuff that putin and xi have never heard about before. getting along with russia is a good thing and a bad thing, all right? especially because they have

1,332 nuclear warheads. >> the relationships i have, the better i goat along with him. maybe it's not a bad thing. the easy ones are maybe the ones you don't get along with as much. >> woodward says he was never able to verify the weapon system anderson but he uses it as an example of just how casual, dangerous, cavalier, those are quotes from woodward, that trump is about classified information. the audio also has another recurring theme. trump, over and over and over tells woodward just how tough he is. >> there's nobody there's tougher than me. nobody's tougher than me. i'm under impeachment and you said, you know, you just act like you just won. nixon was in a corner with his thumb in his mouth. bill clinton took it very, very hard.

i just do things, okay? >> it's classic trump, anderson. i do what i want to do. of course it's also a stark reminder of the trump presidency as he is floating, that he wants to run again in 2024. >> so some of this audio we had heard in 2020 around the publication of woodward's book rage, how much of this is never before heard, not just from donald trump but also from his aids. >> well, there's more than eight hours so there's a lot we never heard before and there are absolutely new interviews with trump's then national security advisor robert o'brien. his deputy matthew pattenger and throughout the recordings, you hear in the background what i would describe as trump's court. these are advisers, ally, family. people who are in the room. you hear melania trump,

senator lindsey graham and the audio gives an inside look at trump's inner circle. like this exchange, this is in 2016 when then candidate trump was asked whether he expects government employees to sign nondisclosure agreements. and his son, don jr., chimes in. >> did you sign one. >> steven has one. >> donny has one. >> i don't got one. i'm in the middle of a book. >> yeah. i'm not getting next week's paycheck until i sign one. >> do you think these are airtight agreements. >> i think they're very airtight. >> and that no one could write a book. >> i think they're extremely airtight. i don't like people to take your money and then say bad things about you, okay. >> i'm not getting next week's paycheck until i sign one. anderson, finally the audio ends with bob woodward who does commentary throughout the eight

hours saying that his past assessments of trump were not harsh enough. in the epilogue woodward says, quote, trump is an unparalleled danger. the record shows that trump has lead and continues to lead a conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election which in effect is an effort to destroy democracy, end quote. >> appreciate it. stay with us, though, i want to bring in cnn chief political analyst and republican strategist david erwin. so gloria, the new audio sheds interesting light on trump's mindset during his presidency. i'm wondering what is your biggest takeaway from what we just heard. >> let me echo something that jamie just said which is his total and absolute carelessness when it comes to matters of national security. talking cavalierly about how he built up our weapons systems. giving an exact number for russia for the number of nuclear war heads they

have which by the way could be classified and could also not be true. we don't know the answer to that and also talking about how tough he is, compared to these other presidents. the one question that i had listening to it is, okay, you're so tough, then how could you not handle losing an election which is exactly what happened to him and he wasn't so tough about it. >> david is someone that knows the former president. does his bragging about weapons systems or trying to kind of ingratiate himself to bob woodward by giving alleged numbers of russian nuclear capabilities, talking about how tough he is, does it shed light on why he may have been inclined to take classified documents ? >> i participated in lots of those conversations. i've heard the president talk about those on numerous occasions. i'm not

any of those but i talked about woodward a lot. i'll tell you that much. bob woodward is an incredible journalist and he has a way about him to get people to talk to him. everybody knows bob woodward is writing a book and everything you say to bob woodward is on the record but people just spill their guts to bob woodward. so kudos for that. but as jamie pointed out in her piece when she was introducing this, none of this has been verified. trump said some hyperbolye there, we created the biggest baddest weapon system that nobody knows about. we don't know that. this president is known to have a little bit of h -- >> it's rare for the president of the united states to be the guy in the bar bragging about how big his weapons system is. there's plenty of presidents that had big weapon systems and not bragged about it. >> yeah but you remember the comment to kim jong un, my button is bigger than his

button. do you remember that? >> this may shed some light on why those documents went. why did he want to keep some of these things? we don't know the answer to that. we really don't. but if you listen to these tapes. one of the reasons may be that he just likes to brag a lot so he likes to pull out the love letter from kim jong un. this could be one of them. >> it is a fascinating idea that one tries to look at all the explanations for why one would take classified documents and you think is somebody trying to sell them or it might just be that he likes to have stuff around him that he can brag about and show people his kim jong un letter. i want to play another clip where former president trump decides to share

with bob woodward. >> the letters, yes. >> nobody else has them but i want i don't you to treat them with president. >> i understand. >> and don't say i gave them to you. >> okay. >> i think it's okay. normally i wouldn't have -- i wasn't going to give them to bob. what you make a photo of them. >> no, i dictated them into a tape recorder. >> really? >> i mean, okay. >> bob, don't tell anybody. photo stat, dictating it, it's quite a scene. but the reality is this is the kind of incident where national security advisers to trump their heads are exploding. these are not letters -- letters from heads of state should not be handed off to reporters. these are letters that we know that he likes to

show and everything but it's not the way it's supposed to be done, and they are classified, and there were other things that you don't -- he may have shared with him and it's just as one very high level intelligence official said to me, it is reckless. >> did he ever show you the kim jong un letter? >> i can neither confirm nor deny. >> he has it framed on the wall. >> has there been a modern president that's so fixated on the trophies. roosevelt liked to hunt. maybe that's not trophies. >> i can't imagine. let's think of past presidents. jimmy carter when he left office went to go build houses for habitat for humanity. he didn't exactly go around showing off trophies of

classified documents or documents that should be classified. this is a person who has portraits of himself all over the place in his golf clubs, et cetera, et cetera. he is somebody who likes to show off and likes to brag and so it's hard to imagine my former president behaving this way dealing with the national archives this way trying to negotiate for over a year and then claiming i declassified all of this stuff and then telling somebody who worked for him, they're mine. >> can i just say although we're laughing about the letters and his boasting and everything, let's not forget that he also took to mar-a-largo with him such highly sensitive top secret documents that the archives went to the department of justice and the department of justice did that search. so there's some things that may seem light but

there were some very sensitive documents there. >> anderson, i would say, jamie is correct. let's not con flat the things he shared with bob woodward in these tapes and things that might have gone to mar-a-largo. some of these documents may actually be problems. >> appreciate it. thank you. also, another courtroom defeat for special counsel john durham whose investigation of the russian probe would once reveal corruption on a level never seen before in our country, end quote. so far it has not done that. the investigation began with a lot of high hopes for attorney general bill barr, president trump. what happened

t here? >> it started falling off the wheels almost immediately. he was charged with five counts of lying to the fbi last week. the judge threw out one of those counts and during the trial, almost immediately, durham himself went after some of his own witnesses after they delivered testimony that was helpful to him. it was not a surprise when we saw the jury come back and said that he was acquitted on all four remaining counts. this was a case where the jury just did not believe that danchenko lied to the fbi. >> and durham has taken two cases to trial. both ended in acquittals. is there anything left of his investigation. >> well, he's wrapping up his investigation and we expect that after the midterms we're going to see a final report from john durham and by the way, as you pointed out, two cases, both acquittals. the federal government almost never loses

cases that it takes to trial, anderson. it's a very unusual situation. we do know that in one case -- one part of his investigation, he did get a guilty plea from an fbi lawyer who lied on part of -- one of the forms that was sent to the pfizer court to get a surveillance warrant but beyond that, we expect that at least from what we saw in court, we expect that john durham is going to argue that trump was treated unfairly by the fbi, that the investigation of trump-russia ties was flawed from the beginning. so that is what we expect to see in his final report in the coming months. >> thank you. next, with midterms just three weeks away and record early voting in places we'll look at the latest polling and our senior data reporter will walk us through what it may mean for democrats and republicans. and we'll take a closer look at republican carrie lake ahead on 360.

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>> there's already record early voting in georgia more than 131,000 ballots cost on day one there. so voter interest is high. nationwide as well. 2.5 million early ballots cast. moments ago in florida debate wrapped up in the battle. >> will you accept results of the 2022 election? >> i've never denied an election ever. i'm not stacy abrams in georgia who denied her election. i've never denied an election. i think in florida we have great election laws but i think elections have to have rules and she supported this effort to have a federal takeover of elections. what would that look like. you can't ask for i.d. you have to ask for i.d. to get into her neighborhood where she lives

but you can't ask for it when they vote? allowing people to drive around with a trunk full of absentee ballots? we have to have rules and we have to have laws and those laws have to be followed. florida has good election laws. we have a record turn out. and they were out there calling some sort of segregationist jim crow bill. no these are rules. these are rules that allow people to have confidence that their vote counted and their vote mattered. we have great laws in florida, absolutely. >> but will you. >> of course. >> we're moving on. >> but yes, no matter what the outcome is i'll support it because florida has good laws. >> again, we're now just three weeks from counting the votes. our one and only reporter joins us now what are we seeing out of florida. >> marco rubio is going to win. i don't think there's a lot of mystery there. obviously strange things can happen but if you look at the polling he's clearly

ahead 5 to 10 points. we have a poll up there that has him ahead 7 points. it's a red state. it's probably going to be a goodyear for republicans. >> so georgia record turn out. what does that indicate, anything? >> you know, we always talk about early voting. oh, these record numbers, yeah, turnout, interest is high, but the fact is is that the people who turn out to vote early, the people who vote by mail, are overwhelmingly democratic. republican voters are going to mostly or a lot of them, clearly more than democrats will wait until election day to count balance t los. there's not a lot in early voting other than perhaps interest is high. >> some polling that there had been a lot of hope among democrats that the pendulum is switching toward democrats that that may not be the case and it may be more toward republicans. >> yeah, so we look at the trend line. i think this is clear. look at the generic ballot trend

line. and then roev. wade was overturned and the democrats had actually overtaken republicans on the generic ballot. republicans had regained that advantage. roe v. wade goes into the background, you see republicans running and retake that lead on the congressional ballot. of course you'll say what the heck does that mean? what does a generic congressional ballot mean. so what i've done for you anderson and for the audience to make it clear because i like making things clear, icon verted that into how many states the republican party will actually win and generally speaking in the range of, sort of, the results that we have been seeing on the generic congressional ballot, we're looking for republicans to get a majority somewhere in the 230 seat range. it might be a little bit above that if that final lead is a little strong. it might be a little below that if it's a little weaker but generally speaking for the house of

representatives what we're generally looking for is republicans to get anywhere between 226 or 227 seats and somewhere up to 235. >> i lost -- you lost me on your actual graphic but i hear what you're saying. >> i so tried to make that -- >> it's very complicated. >> put it back on that screen. >> what is that. >> estimated gop seats won, 226 to 236 based on a final george anthonier in -- generic ballot. >> it's coming down to four seats. it's coming down to four seats. democrats need to win three of these four races. we're talking about arizona, pennsylvania, georgia, nevada. right now they're ahead in three of those four seats with georgia being the 50th seat. of course if he gets to 50% plus one in order to avoid a runoff, who knows, it could be that we're determining senate control and a run off in georgia in december. that's possible but another thing is these are all within the margin of error so it's plausible that we might not even need that runoff in georgia.

republicans could gain back control or if the democrats win nevada they already get the majority themselves. so things are tight in the senate unlike the house where i think republicans are in a good position. >> i appreciate it. >> i'm going to try so hard on those graphics. >> it's fine. it's good. it was like poetry. more on how this is all playing out in a key race, jeff has that. >> the deal with inflation, you have to reduce cost for the american family while we get through this of course. >> he's still talking about inflation three weeks before voters here in michigan and across the country decide whether democrats should retain control of congress. by now, president biden and his fellow democrats hope that high costs from the spring and summer would have eased but the fierce economic headwinds seem as strong as ever. >> is it a challenge for us? people tend to hold the party that holds the white house responsible for everything. we just ask folks to really think

carefully about what the alternatives are. look at the current condition of the republican policy. look at their policies. >> he is sounding the alarm about the prospects of republicans taking the reigns of the house, even as his rival paul young is trying to keep the economy and inflation at the center of their race. >> people are really concerned about the cost of living. everywhere i go, gas prices, grocery prices, it's really hitting their budgets. >> the battle for control of congress runs through michigan's eighth district which includes saginaw county. a battleground within a battleground that voted twice for obama once for trump and twice for biden. this year the verdict will be shaped by the dualing sentiment for voters like tom roy a republican that blames democratic policies for inflation. >> gas prices and the economy and inflation i hope that things get -- we can't continue to spend, spend, spend. it's like a credit card you can only tap that so long before it's over the limit.

>> and from tracy, a democrat that says there's plenty of blame to go around for inflation. >> i want to scream from the mountain tops, it's not one guy who is doing this. and corporations and the corporate greed and the -- yeah, don't blame politics for every single thing that happens in our world. >> with early voting underway campaigns are taking final shape and in michigan abortion is only on the ballot as voters are asked whether to enshrine the protection of abortion rights into the state constitution. democrats believe it could motivate voters and boost them who made abortion rights central to their arguments. >> even in cases of rape, incest. >> two years ago he narrowly lost his race.

>> 48 years of kilde's in congress comes to an end this november. >> he's running to offer a check on the economic policies of the biden administration. >> when one party has the white house and both parts of congress, that governance is seen as too extreme by people. >> first elected to congress a decade ago after his uncle held a michigan state for 36 years conceded that democrats faced deep challenges on the economy but employed voters to see it as a choice. >> i don't walk lock step but what's the republican brand that we're running against. >> it's a party that's lost his soul, if not it's mind. >> so the campaign closes with the economy as a central issue. do democrats think they'll lose control of congress? >> there's no doubt the democrats wanted to close the final campaign with anything but the economy. we heard the president talk throughout the

spring and the summer. they thought inflation was temporary. they thought by the fall it would change. of course it's burning hot as it ever was this year. of course there are many issues. here in michigan, abortion still a huge question. crime also an issue but closing with the economy certainly worries many democrats. he is wide eyed about this. he's still trying to make it a choice between democrats and republicans but anderson, one thing is clear, three weeks from tonight, all eyes will be on here in saginaw county. it's a classic swing area. it certainly will give an early sense of how the night will be for democrats and republicans alike. >> appreciate it. thanks. the cnn exclusive and up close look at the attack drones that russia is using against civilians including attacking the capipit kiev on monday.

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sent personnel to train and advise on the use of the drones. she has a cnn exclusive. what more are you learning about the drones? >> well, there's a glaring disparity between what we're hearing from the iranians and what we're hearing from the russians and what we're seeing on the ground in ukraine. the russians say they're only using russian weapons. the iranians saying they haven't been supplying the russians with any weapons but today, for the first time, we were taken by ukrainian military intelligence to see a large iranian made drone. everybody has been talking a lot about these but they're not the only ones that are being used on the ground with devastating effect. take a look. >> you he takes us to see the

battlefield, an iranian made drone. used by the russians for bombing. >> it was shot. this is the hole from where you shot it down. >> this is a hole from the rocket of ukrainian forces. you can see 02. 2022. >> so this is when it was made. >> we think that this plane was made this year when the russians begin to fly this drones. we have new problems on the battlefields. >> in just the last 8 days, more than 100 drones have been fired. mostly smashing civilian infrastructure and terrorizing ordinary people. only russian equipment with russian numbers is used in it's so-called

special operation. but he says there's no doubt where this drone comes from. now, i don't see any writing in iranian language. how do you know? >> and it ends and some years ago iranian other companies showed this display and the second thing, why the plane, yes, we have only one by their hand. >> can you show me.

>> no. >> you're right. >> so if i understand, you're saying that they tried to hide the fact that this was made in iran. >> ukraine has called for more sanctions against iran for supplying the drones, but so far, sanctions have had little effect. the components are commercially available in a number of different countries from japanese batteries to an austrian engine and american processors. >> >> now we're saying the 136 and you're saying there's a new generation of drone coming to. >> how much more dangerous could it be.

>> well, anderson, according to alexi, they believe this could be happening in the next few months and that's what really concerns them because this can carry a lot more fire power, more than 88 pounds of payload of explosives on it compared to it that can take five times as much as that. well over 400 pounds of explosives. that, if it was really implemented effectively in the battlefield would have a truly devastating effect on ukraine civilian infrastructure but also on the lives of ordinary ukrainians as we have seen and that's why you're hearing military intelligence officials that are normally very tight lipped about this stuff take a very public and proactive stance and say this is what we're up against and this is what we need to combat this and again, we're hearing, ukraine's leaders

reaching out to israel, to the u.s., to nato, to whoever they can asking for better, more sophisticated antiaircraft defense systems, and particularly, ones that are effective in defending against drone attacks, anderson. >> and obviously one of the benefits of these drones for russia or iran is the relatively -- the low cost of them compared to obviously operating a jet fighter or a cruise missile. >> some of them are low cost, relatively. the shaw head certainly are lower cost. what we saw would be more expensive but they kind of work in tandem with each other. it's a command and control and then you can send out those that you basically flood the zone with. they fly very low. they're not detectable on radar systems so ukrainians are finding themselves having to use a line of sight and trying to shoot

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>> you heard us speak about the midterm elections and how it's probably going to be a goodyear for republicans in his words and one of the more polarizing republicans is the candidate for governor in arizona, kari lake. he's a news anchor turned candidate that embraced the former president's election lies and become something of a national figure in republican circles in the process. she appeared on state of the union. repeatedly she was asked whether she would accept the results of her own election no matter the outcome. repeatedly, she refused to answer directly. >> my question is will you accept the results of your election in november. >> i'm going to win the election and i'll accept that result. >> if you lose, will you accept that. >> i'm going to win the election and i will accept that result. >> kari lake is also the subject of a fascinating profile in the washington post. i'm joined now by the author of that piece. thanks so much for being with

us. her lighting is extraordinary and one of the things that you get out of the piece is she is constantly m miked. she is wearing a microphone in order to catch any question from a reporter that she will then use against the reporter and then put it online -- it's a whole other level of campaigning. >> correct. i've never seen anything like it in covering campaigns on either side of the aisle. she has a small microphone that maybe you or i would notice but who else would and it is not connected to the mic system in a room or an event. it is connected to a camera that's actually operated by her husband. >> who is a camera person from the station. >> who is a camera person from the station and owns a production company and he's also the person who designed that home studio you just saw in the clip. >> with incredible lighting. >> with the lighting, the gauzy

flatness and like you said, the purpose of that, in her words is to catch the media, she calls the fake news media when they're misrepresenting her campaign, but often in practice, it's an opportunity for her to sort of tee off on reporters and frankly try to embarrass them. >> she also seems to, like, look for opportunities. she'll just have snide remarks to reporters that then she can turn and look i'm owning the fake news media kind of stuff. >> yeah. >> and attacking somebody's ratings which is like a classic trump move. like attacking the local stations ratings. >> and her followers love it and again it's something that obviously trump showed that that could be very successful at his rallies. he liked to do a little bit of performance art at his white house press conferences. kari lake has taken that to a new level. some of these interactions are private ones. i mean the first time i met her i went up to her and i said hey i'm with the washington postened

i'm here to do a profile with you and i'd love to spend some time with you and she immediately said who owns your paper again? who are you with? who owns the washington post? and just got very in my face. i think she raised her index finger and i said jeff besos the founder of amazon owns the washington post. she said exactly. you guys don't give anybody fair coverage. this is the first time i'm meeting her. there were no cameras but her own. i think she's taking every opportunity -- >> you do talk about her in the piece that's kind of a glimpse at the next generation of trump republicans and she already has a national profile. it doesn't seem to matter to anybody. she has no actual qualifications of having lead anybody in anything other than leading a newscast -- a local newscast at i think 5:00 p.m. and 9:00 p.m. or 7:00 p.m. and 9:00 p.m.. i'm not qualified to be a governor. she

has no actual leadership experience in that sense, right. >> yeah, i think in one sense she has no qualifications and in the other it's the only qualification that matters. she is known widely across arizona. she knows arizona well and it's 20 plus years and it's the local affiliate in phoenix while also discrediting the entire industry that she came from. it's really kind of this tightrope she's walking constantly. >> it's also fascinating and there's no answer to it but you look at sort of how she turned from one person in the newsroom for most of her career that all of her colleagues knew and then all of a sudden around 2019, it seems like -- was that the right year action she basically kind of a light went off and she became the person that she is now, unclear exactly why, but it's a fascinating thing to see that transformation. >> a dozen of her former colleagues knew her as a free

spirited personality in the newsroom. casual buddhist. she used to wear the kabala red string around her wrist and now she is constantly quoting bible versus and i think, you know, based on my reporting it seems that after 2016, she did become en enamoured with trump having previously supported barrack obama. >> thank you so much. really appreciate it. coming up a gruesome discovery. the bodies of four missing men with gunshot wounds. the mystery of what happened, next.

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in oklahoma, police say four men, including two brothers, were shot, dismembered and dumped in a river. a person of interest is in custody in florida on an unrelated charge. in you details in the mysterious killings, here's ed lavandera. >> reporter: on a sunday night more than a week ago, these four men headed out from a home in okmulgee, oklahoma, on a bike ride, but their families would never see them alive again.

five days later, parts of their bodies started emerging from this river south of tulsa. >> each victim suffered gunshot wounds. all four bodies were dismembered before being placed in the river, and that is what caused difficulty in determining identity. >> reporter: authorities say the victims are alex stevens, mike sparks, and brothers billy and mark chastain. john chastain is an uncle of the two brothers. he says the men were good fathers who leave six children behind. >> we're all horribly hurt over it. i mean, it's just not something that we ever see coming. our family never seen them doing anything to deserve this. >> reporter: but how and why these men were killed remains a mystery. their cell phones were last tracked in two salvage yards on the edge of town. near one of those yards, investigators say they found evidence of a, quote, violent

event. investigators say they interviewed the owner of the salvage yards last friday. the man denied knowing the four victims, but then he disappeared. until tuesday when he was arrested in florida for driving a stolen pickup truck with oklahoma license plates. >> joe kennedy is considered a person of interest, but no charges have been filed. investigators would like to speak with him again. >> reporter: investigators also say they have evidence the four victims were plotting to commit some kind of crime. >> that belief is based on information supplied by a witness who reports they were invited to go with the men to, quote, unquote, hit a lick big enough for all of them. we do not know what they planned or where they planned to do it. >> reporter: police there in oklahoma have said they believe these four men were planning some sort of crime. when you heard them say that, what did you think? >> it was -- they were hard workers. they were hard workers.

the whole family is devastated. you know? whatever they were doing, whatever -- i mean, whatever it was, they weren't going out to murder people. whatever was going on, i don't know. but what i do know is we need some justice for this. >> reporter: it's important to point out this joe kennedy, investigators say he was cooperative during their meeting with him on friday. it's important to point out there's been no indication so far that he's considered a suspect in this case. but that relative of one of the victims you heard from there says the family is simply z distraught over the murders he calls medieval. >> lavandera, thanks. we'll be right back. to deliver sanctuauary in its vehicles. comfort for body and minind.

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