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radiant alison camerota. >> hey laura, hey alison, glorious. >> this is never going to get old. the stick is never going to get old. [laughs] . we were wondering if you are going to run out of superlatives. but we know that you're not. >> no, impossible, impossible. >> they gave him eight as soares. >> jack eulogy. >> jocularity, fantastic. >> i need boost. >> we're gonna keep the conversation going on cnn tonight. good evening, i'm laura coates, and i'm alison camerota. with midterms just 21 days, way things are getting hot in florida. tonight in the first and only debate between marco rubio and -- valdes will play some clips. >> and now never before heard tapes of then president talking to bob were woodward. >> you're about to hear his real thoughts on vladimir putin and russia and his own ambition. and we also have brand-new

audio from trump's inner circle, meaning his son-in-law, jared. >> remember we never heard his voice? >> there's a whole thing. >> this is how we've been involving the story. and the story that everyone is talking about tonight as well hair straightening linked to higher rates of uterine cancer, and black women may be more affected. so is the pressure to look a certain weight now affecting our health? i mean, the idea of beauty standards and how it's judge. the story, to, me is really so relevant. we need to elevate even more. i mean, the idea that something you're putting on your body in a treatment is causing cancer to the extent of even doubling for black women. >> yeah, oh, and believe, the white women get their hair straight in a lot to. >> yes. >> it's sobering for all of us, because i guess i should have known that formaldehyde is bad for you. but i did not know that it had such a direct link to uterine cancer. >> i mean, that, you think about all the different impacts we're talking about. for one to cover more tonight in-depth. but i guess it's an import

story, that can get lost in the shuffle. so that's what we're covering here. also we've got a lot to talk about. tonight so the midterms and elections happening. here with us is brandon -- , a former top aide to paul ryan and john boehner. also cnn political commentator ashley allison, and chief political correspondent dana bash. what a, panel collateral here tonight. >> guys, thank you for being here tonight. okay, should we play something from the value means marco rubio? >> yes,. >> they go right into it, and talked about abortion. >> i am 100 dissent pro-life, not because i want to deny anyone the right, but i believe that innocent human life is where the other protection of our laws. that said, every bill i've ever wanted on abortion, every bill ever voted on has exceptions. every one of them does. because that's what can pass. and that's what the majority of people explore. the stream us on abortion in this campaign is congresswoman demings. she supports no restrictions, no limitations on any side. >> senator, all gullibility

think florida voters are? number one, you have been clear that you support no exceptions. even including rape and incest. now, as a police detective that investigated cases of rape and incest, no, senator, i do not think it's okay for a ten year old girl to be raped and have to carry the seed of her rapist. no, i don't think it's okay for you to make decisions for women and girls as. as a senator, i think those decisions are made between the woman, her family, her doctor, and her faith. and to stand over there and say i support, don't support abortions up still of the time of birth, is just a lie. >> well first of all, i mean, she leaned right into the whole police aspect of this. but if you have to catch what rubio said? it's what can pass. i mean, for many voters, i think there's a -- not a pie in the sky ideals,

but is the standard only pursuit that which can be accomplished? is that really where we are? >> i think it's also interesting he started with saying i'm one hunted percent pro-life, but i vote for things that can just pass. and i think there is a contradiction there. it is unfortunate that people are not playing this flip-flop game, and that valdes came in strong, caught. she kicked it on multiple levels, law enforcement, as a woman, as someone who is investigated these crimes. and really told a story that we know is personal and it draws a contrast of, like, who do you really want leading in this moment? >> also who do you trust? she also fact-checked him. because she said every belize wrote had exceptions. but the one he cowrote with senator graham and senator -- , it does make an exception for rape and incest. she call that out. i'm not sure what he's trying to do. i guess he's trying to thread the needle and make people think that it has more exceptions than it does. >> she even said asked the

voters huggable do you think they are? >> also fact-check, raley, check that is not going to pass now. probably not in the near future because even if republicans do take the senate, it will be by a seat, a couple of seats. not the 60 votes needed to break a filibuster. and that's what they need. it >> the bill does have exceptions. >> but does it have them for rape and incest? >> i believe it does. >> there are some -- >> i stand corrected, i will check that. >> i think it does. i think it -- what was really interesting about marco rubio's answer, yes, it was very practical. but it was, he was, in one sentence able to say this is what i believe, like, a shout out to the most conservative voters on this issue. i'm one hunted percent pro-life. and yet, also, sort of say look, i am, i've been in the senate, and i know what it takes, and i

know one majority of people want, which is exceptions. which is exceptions for abortion. >> i'll now do a dramatic reading from our cnn -- , senator rubio cosponsored a bill introduced by senator lindsey graham that would ban abortion at 15 weeks without exceptions for rape and incest. >> okay, so there you go. >> that was not that dramatic. >> that was a dramatic. read and be quite honest, i did not memorize the ins and outs of that. because this was a very deliberate political ploy by senator graham, and i get senator rubio, in order to get republicans on record with something that they support, because they are getting so -- >> frankly a very selfish move by senator graham. because he want to score points. and i think that is what rubio's doing there with a base, with evangelicals, saying look, here's what i'm for. i think what really was trying to do there was pushback able bit on democrats. and this is some of the frustrations that republicans have had. there's a lot of questions of wears your line? as a 15 weeks, is a 12, is it

never? a lot of republicans go, what is the democrats, line where, at what point you want to draw the line at one abortion should end? i think the very question, the democrats get asked a lot. i think you try to push back. there she did a very good job of not taking that bait, pushing back on him. i will say, any conversation about abortion right now is a win for val demings. this is not a topic that republicans want to be talking about. i think the topics that we discuss's debate, what it was guns, abortion, the elections, all benefit. her not as much conversation in this debate about the economy, which is what marco rubio wants. >> that's partly issue, right, when lindsey graham put that into the universe. on the day that president biden was citing the inflation reduction act, which many republicans thought was going to be an easy went to try and under my in some way and say the child's not selling is gonna be short term win in this issue, and he came out this very thing. and i still go back to the point, and i think it's a difficult thing. on the one hand, you are not taken seriously as a politician, right unless you know you can

actually get what your platform you are saying past. so, he's talking about what he can do. but still, for voters, for many of whom are younger voters, first-time voters, they do want the hope of getting things done outside of the institution in washington. >> they do not won a national abortion ban, though. and that is actually what the gram bill is. and it's contradictory to what republicans are saying. they said the dobbs decision wants to take the decision back to the state. and then you have lindsey graham introducing something that would do a blanket abortion ban. and that's not what the average american wants. they do want exceptions. i do hear your point about whether democrats rules. i think the line for them is it's women's choice, and let it be between her and her. doctor >> i, mean pulling no-show there is a big swath in the middle the country that believes there should be always be able to have an abortion in certain circumstances, but there should be limits on what point. >> yes. >> and it's a big conversation, and a big group of people to have. to your, point what republicans have screwed up, is we've

always said we want to be the reasonable once, let states has some reasonable restrictions. and when we just, like, in states where you're going to six weeks or zero weeks, or -- it's contradictory to what we've been saying for years and years and years about why should be able to trust us. >> the thing about, it i mean, the one way to solve this, right, roe v. wade did have those limitations. >> the viability framework essentially. a fetus can be viable outside the movement of medical intervention, essentially, was going to be that threshold was one the reasons why republicans don't want to be talk about the issue. because there was the decision that could have that. >> absolutely, and i think what you said about questioning democrats on what their threshold is, whether or not they want any, any legal limits at all is something that i ask because it is important. because this is now a states issue. so, when you're talking to people who are running for governor, more governor then congress, because it's probably less likely now that you're going to get a national piece

of legislation, at least for the short term, is probably going to be a states issue. that matters. it's a very, very big question. and for the democrats who don't want any restrictions, and they say it would exclusively be a decision between a woman and her doctor, they are a bit out of step with the way polling shows. >> before we go, i want to play something else that senator lindsey graham said today. and this was with herschel walker, because he actually spelled out what he really likes about herschel walker, which i think is interesting, and good to hear. here it is. >> so, a ban from south carolina, i'm begging you to elect herschel for the benefit of the people for my state. we are all in this together in washington, right? if we had one more senator in washington in the republican column, i would be the budget chairman, not bernie sanders.

[applause] [laughs] that is a good trade, herschel. trust me. >> that's what he likes what herschel locker power. that he could get a promotion. >> but that's what they're doing. >> i mean, you have people wondering who it is? >> you should not be surprised by this. >> why did he speak the truth. >> in other -- words >> that is the frame they want, that this seat decides who controls the senate. it's not about the budget share. it's about control. mitch mcconnell being -- >> i just like lindsey graham to -- >> i would get an abortion, everybody. >> they're saying this is not what herschel author, forget about herschel locker, this is republican thing. >> because they know he's a disaster. >> and that's generally what republicans are saying the state. and he had a debate last friday where he actually did a good job presenting himself as a generic republican. where there may have been some weird moments, absolutely. but he did a very good job of framing this as raphael warnock, the democrat, is gonna vote with joe biden. on the republican, i'm going to be a check on that. that's how similar game yet. >> how many times did your

bosses in the public and leadership, pre-trump, distance themselves from people with scandals like herschel walker? a lot, right? >> the exact same scandal. >> the exact same scandal, exactly. trent franks is who you're talking about. >> tim, murphy and several others. >> it's not happening now, for lots of reasons, trump changed the game in some ways. but it's also because they have their eyes on the majority. and if they throw herschel walker under the bus, then it is pretty much, forgive me, game over for the notion of taking back the majority for republicans. >> this was a pivot, right? trying to get people buy him instead of in spite of. now it's top of the inspite of candidacy, which is a whole new threshold in politics where we are right now. >> all right, thank you guys very much, dana, thank you. we're uniting. you everyone else, you're not going anywhere. stick around. next, we have exclusive audio tapes of bob woodward's interviews with president trump, including what president trump says about the latest from kim

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revealing was how much he wants to impress bob woodward. you just hear it over and over. and at times, he thinks he can impress him by telling him about classified information. here you go. >> i had built a weapon system that nobody ever had in this country before. we have stuff that you have not even seen or heard about. we have stuff that putin and xi have never heard about before. >> getting along with russia is a good thing in a bad thing, all right? especially because they have 1300 nuclear warheads. >> the relationships i have, and the -- the better i get along. them they explain that to you maybe one day, but it's not a bad thing. these are the ones that i maybe don't like as much, i don't get along with as much. >> so, just to clarify, woodward was never able to verify whether this system exists.

but he uses it as an example, and there are many throughout the audio books of how trump's national security advisers, their heads are exploding because trump is just repeatedly so cavalier, dangerous, reckless, careless, with classified information. >> in, away it just strikes people, certainly me, he realizes bob is going to write a book, right -- >> he wants -- >> he knows he's being tape, right? >> that's the mind-boggling part of this, the idea of speaking that cavalier in the way he does, but he also wants to talk about how tough he is, with some chance, beating which we've heard oftentimes before. but he again digs in here in a way that is just odd. >> look, this is classic donald trump. i think if you go through the transcript from the audio book and you put the word tough in, it's every graph that comes up.

or cool, he's very cool, he's very tough. and one of the things we saw was he also shared with woodward those kim jong-un, the love letters. those are classified. and they may not be the most top secret thing in the world, but he is not supposed to be sharing them with a journalist. >> in, fact these are part of the reason why he is under investigation, these letters. >> so certainly, these were one of the things that he would not return. and obviously, everybody knew about them because it was public. eventually, after a year, the national archives got those back as part of the 15 boxes that trump sent back in january. but they had to pry away from him. >> let's listen to the audio clip of him revealing these two, this classified information to bob woodward. >> nobody else has them. but i want to treat them with respect.

>> i understand, understand. >> i don't say i gave them to you, okay? >> okay. >> i think it's okay. normally i would not -- i was not going to give them to bob. what, you making photos of them? >> i think they have made them into a tape recorder. >> the whole photo stat thing goes back to, you guys are two, yang but i remember the me a graph in high school. i think we're talk about the same time. listen to what trump says. >> usually i don't do this, but here we go. [laughs] >> don't tell anyone i gave them to you. >> again, he knows he's being tased, right? >> 100%. >> during this? >> it's hard not to hear him -- bob woodward's a legend, right? and trump loves famous people. it's hard not to imagine he's trying to impress bobbled are. he knows that bob woodward's famous. >> but why he's a legend? essentially for undermining our president. >> but he liked the fact that somebody's got write a book

about him. and if anybody hasn't had the pleasure of hearing donald trump privately, it's hard not to be astonished by the way he, zigzags, wanders, parenthetical, 's non secretaries, and he jumps all over the place. but he really just wants to impress people, that's what it is, he wants to charm you. and i think that's what he's doing here. >> he's also telling him treated with respect. how about you treated with respect? they're classified documents. like, some consistency here? and he does want to impress woodward. but he also, i feel, that there is the sense of he is above it all. and that i can give it you because i am the king of the castle, and i am, like, the ruler of the land. and the rules do not apply to me. and that is so many people caught in the narcissist. but that is, like, his behavior, narcissistic behavior. >> i'm so, why do you think we has it at mar-a-lago? because he wants to shows visitor. >> yes, yes that's the thing, because if he showed it to bob woodward, is that the only one he showed the classified stuff to? we don't know, that seems hard

to believe. laura was pointing out earlier that we went a long time without ever hearing jerry kushner's voice. and people did not know, speculated that there were -- fits about what that was. like >> darth vader, gilbert gottfried. >> so, here it is can we play this portion? >> can i just headed up by telling you what has happened before this is is donald trump has put jarred on the phone with woodward so jarred will arrange for woodward to have interviews with other people in the white house. >> okay, got it, let's listen. >> hello? >> jared, it's woodward, how are you? >> good, how are you? >> did you hear what he said, that i'm going to come see you, we've got a day scheduled, i think next week. and then you are going to help me with some of these other people i want to talk to. is that -- >> perfect, what i will do is i

will make a list of other people. but i heard from the president is basically that i now work for you. so, i will make myself available around that schedule. and i will make sure i get you a good last. i will come up on my list, and you come up with your list of wants. i will work to get it to happen. >> i want you to know that i have no illusions that you work for me. i know you work for ivanka, right? >> [laughs] okay, fine, you get it, you get it. that's probably why your bob woodward. that is true. >> that's funnier exchange. >> he is bob order though. i mean, the idea of -- i'm still going back to this point, i'm always a little bit tickled about just how open and accommodating people are with journalist who clearly are going to be frank a story that's going to be hopefully objective and not have yet smelling like roses. >> a couple things i've learned about bob woodward over the years, he does not give up. he will come and knock on your door at 10:00 at night. he also talks to so many people

that when he shows up, he has the receipts even before he starts. he says, well you said this man. and so, people really want to talk to him to make sure they get their side of the story. >> i feel for jayden exchange, because he does not know whose boss is anymore. i get the impression that president trump is like today you work with the secretary of state, today you work with bob woodward, today you work for a vodka. and he's just long suffering jarrett having to do for whatever you had to do. this is great,, jamie really incredible to hear. >> it's bob woodward's work i'm just luckily enough to have a listen to it first. >> i'll tell you what, if bob woodward is not going to tell a story authentic lock, he's not watching us. >> yeah, fog. >> i think he's watching, guys. >> okay, fine, come on. >> say hello. >> look, there's also an alarming new study were got to talk about next about the

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well, there's a new study by the national institute of health that is raising a lot of concern around the use of chemical heir straining products. particularly, among black women. if you did not notice on your screen, you are looking at one. the study followed more than 33,000 women ages 35 to 70 for the united states who have used hair dyes, straight enters, relaxes, or pressing products

for an average of over ten years. about 60% of participants identified as black women. now, over that time, 378 women were diagnosed with uterine cancer. here with us now cnn political analyst laura burrow and lopez, political commentator ashley allison, and senior political analyst kirsten powers. this is a topic that is very near and dear to my. hard i am natural, i no longer strain my hair chemically. but there was a time that i did. and the idea that so many people i know did so at an early age, did so for a very long time, and now might have the risk of uterine cancer, and is linked in many ways, some do so to try to conform to certain beauty standards in our world, let alone the industry and beyond. and i'm resentful of the fact that this is even occurring. and we were talking about this in makeup, you and, i about when you had your first relaxed, when did you get, when you decide not to do any longer. and it's a real conversation

that black women are always having. >> yeah, black women hair, it's a sacred topic. it's a part of our culture. and i think my mom for protecting my, hair and not likely get a relax or until i was a teenager. because it literally changes the chemical makeup of your hair to make it irreversible to go back to its natural state. >> you have to cut it off. >> you have to cut it off and start all over again. and one of the reasons that so many black women, and there's no judgment on how people wear their hair, a lot of people have their choice and how they do their hair. but a lot of black women to straighten their hair because for so long that was the, quote unquote, mainstream image of beauty. we are now in this renaissance of owning who we are and being proud and really leaning into black and beautiful, like in the 60s, and wearing natural hair. and making sure that corporate america and that on television weekend where our hair in natural ways because it's part of who we are, as part of our culture.

>> you've reported on it, the idea of the politics behind us as well. admiral having this conversation, in part, because of the pride factor. but it's also when there are consequences for not conforming. and the crown act is one example trying to codify away so that they're not be so called consequences. again, we're talking about a link to uterine cancer. i mean, it's on the rise in black women as well. i mean, the politics of this is really increasing. >> yeah, it is. and the consequences for, you know, companies like this to dispose potentially what the result or the correlations could be for chemical straightening. now, personally, as a latina, i have faced a lot of pressure because this is my natural hair, to straighten it throughout my life, even at a young age. weather is from people that was around, not my parents, thankfully, but also, you know, even when i started making the transition from print to tv there is a lot of questions about whether not you're gonna strain your hair, are you gotta change your hair, and i

potentially said i am not going to do that i'm going to wear this way. thankfully, i've never actually chemically straightened it. but this morning, my partner sent me that article because i think he was not sure if i use chemical straighten's are not on the occasion that maybe about four times a year i do strain my hair. i don't do it using chemicals. and he was concerned that potentially this could impact me as well. so, i think it is a lot of fear that black women, other women of color might potentially have if they have, you know, clearly hair that does not conform to beauty standards. by the, way white women get pressure to straighten their hair too. i mean, because there is a beauty standard for black women and white women to have straight, silky hair. or to color it. >> well, i would not know. [laughs] >> but i do know about straightening. i get so much positive feedback. and the times that i've done a -- , my people say my hair looks so fantastic. i say i want to do it more. and i had no idea.

i knew that formaldehyde could not be good for me. >> you know, your skin is kind of on fire, and you're sitting there, could this possibly be bad for me? there's fumes, and you're like holding a towel over your face. and obviously, if somebody had said, if i had known, if there had been disclosure that it's linked to uterine cancer i would have never done it. but for the sake of this universal beauty i was doing it. >> there's also the even if it was not bad for you, why should anybody have to do this? why should women have to spend the money, the time, have to reject what they look like. your hair is amazing, right? it's insane that there was actually a time when you would not be able to have the job you had if you did not conform to whatever the idea was of basically a bunch of men. >> but it has changed. >> yes, yes, and i have a little girl. and my hair's natural. i blow dry it, i flatten it, i want one type islamic all or it. but i was next to you. but for my daughter, i

intentionally wear my hair naturally around my daughter. because i want her to understand that this is what beauty looks like. and that it is also what she looks like. and her hair looks like mine when it's natural. this is why i have to constantly think about. they always say things like representation matters, you see yourself on television, see yourself on books, see yourself in politics. and there's few instances where i think people are really seeing themselves. and to think, we're sitting here for five minutes, trying to figure out, name a woman on television with gray hair. >> right, yeah, we can't come up with one. >> it's absurd. >> no, because i was saying, i would actually like to go great. maybe i will go gray now. >> oh, my god. >> you're actually might be the first woman. >> no, because i resent it. because there are men here who have gray hair and no one has a problem with that, right? no one's ever -- yeah, they are a stab list, and all these other things. so, for a woman, it's somehow

-- there is a reason women have not done it, because we think we are gonna get punished for it. so, we spend -- i go back to the money and the time that women spanned, that men do not have to spend, just maintaining ourselves so we're except-able to society. just to be acceptable, it's not even to be on a different, you know, level or something. >> i think that they meant -- i was in the gym, and my friends said oh, my gosh, have you seen this. and i think the thing that is so disturbing is what testing, what other things are we using on our body that they are pushing down our throats, and we have no idea the impact in the long term. and what type of testing. i do know that everyone can have straighten or hair. but the way relaxes, i mean, i just for me per, there's a whole tiktok trend of where the just for me permit girls at 20 years from now, because it was shoved down. the marketing was pushed down on little black girls.

that if you did not have silky straight hair with a little bow you are not pretty. and that nobody would want you, nobody would love you. >> let me tell you something. from all of our conversations, there should be no judgment. wear your hair how you want to wear. it i like to wear my hair how i like to wear my. hair i hope you all do as. well that if you're doing it because someone tells you that's how you're supposed to look, call me. >> [laughs] >> that's right, let's have the conversation happen. but that's just for me. >> i go around the world and -- >> i want you to know, and we think about the steady as well and the pressure society puts on black and latino women, and women more broadly about the standards. that, and anything else you want to say to alisyn and me, within reason. you always invite the whole conversation. within reason, with what we are talking today. at me alisyn camerota and laura coates, use the hashtag cnn stand out. lincoln's been exploring new ways to deliver sanctuary in its vehicles.

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meghan markle talks about being objectified and the newest issue of her podcast archives. markle described her experience as a so-called briefcase girl on the show deal or no deal back in 2006. >> i, mean you have to imagine just paint the picture for you, that the for the tapings of the show, all of the girls, we would line up and there are different stations for having your lashes put on, or extensions put in. or the padding in your bra. we were even giving spray tan voters each week, because there was a very cookie cutter idea of precisely what we should look like. it was solely about beauty, and not necessarily about brains. and when i look back at that, time i will never forget this one detail, because moments before we get on stage, there

was a woman who ran the show and she would be their backstage. and i can still hear her. she could not properly pronounce my last name and i knew who she was talking to, because she would go, markel, suck it in. markel, socket in. >> -- to dissect the labels of bimbo and dumb blonde. that's the best. -- ashley allison -- >> i admit, laura, this confuses me. she took a job, as basically, a model, and carries a briefcase of fake money on a game show, and she thought it was about brains. so, yes, she was objectified. -- but be honest. she also was a star in a different show, called suits,

where she has a substantial role, a different character that she was playing. fish are we supposed to be a outrage that she was objectified on deal or no deal? >> you are right, she did take this job. she presumably knew what she was entering when she took this job. that doesn't mean she should have to deal with someone who is telling her to stop it in. i think it's refreshing that meghan markle talks about these things, even though that was part of that jobs and low, and that job description. i think are talking about it potentially raises questions as to whether or not -- do we need models in these suitcases. do we need women standing next to all the suitcases? do we really need vanna white? >> -- >> sorry, not to knock wheel of fortune. >> this is a model -- the other term for model. because it works. >> i think the bigger problem is, if you are meghan markle starting out however many years

ago this was, this was a while ago, these are the options for women. and men have different options. that's with the point is. the point is, she probably didn't really have a choice. she did have to do. this it doesn't make it less humiliating, that she was doing it -- >> -- >> i think that's kind of like blaming the victim. the fact a woman doesn't have a lot of options in hollywood, except to play bimbos, is not meghan markle's fault. it's hollywood's fault. i don't know that she had a lot of options to break in. that's the problem. this is -- these are the options that women are given. there's all these other options for a man. we know, for a long time -- it's starting to change, because we are having more women directors and things like that, especially because of streaming. but at the time she was breaking into the business, i don't think there were a lot of options. and i think this just speaks badly to the people that were in control. >> i agree. also, what is the standard of beauty? do you have to be a size four with straight hair?

and have large breasts? and all of the things that people say, like, this is what the barbie image of what you need to look like -- spray tan for certain complexions but not too dark of a complexion. and it does go to -- the game with the women, with the suitcase. the deal in this case -- not the women. >> i don't know. i don't know if anyone has ever gone broke putting -- on tv. >> it's kind of like i've had this conversation -- i fully support everyone doing what they want to do. what are you that much more interested in the game? by the presence of it? some argue the halftime shot, that's discriminating against that notion of it. i look at it as more of a reflection on what hollywood requires. that idea of saying, look, here's what we know is going to feed the audience. here is what we know is -- it's enticing to people. she was also speaking to power sultana's part of this conversation, who has been very

vocal in years, since her original debut as a socialite, to talk about how it was a feigned put on this. >> yeah. that serve her well to be thought of as cocaine and unique, not really in the room -- in reality, there was a lot more going on. i think that does speak about why it would be that that's a safe space for people to go, oh, she's non-threatening. there is nothing there there. and we are, by the way, on the five year anniversary of the me too movement. -- over and over again. >> i guess i would say about paris hilton, she was playing a role. meghan markle was playing a role. and of course, she made her brand. -- she rode that brand for ten years. >> i don't know if anyone was forced to do anything. i just think things happen. you have to remember how young she was and that you get into these situations. i will just speak about getting

into television, and maybe you can as well -- you come into it thinking, oh, i am here to talk about politics. i'm here to do all these other things. the next thing you know, you've got people telling you how to wear your hair, how to wear your makeup, and why don't you wear more makeup? i've had someone say, it's good to be attractive, it's good to be pretty. it doesn't make you not serious. can we make you a little my mom prettier? can we play this up a bit more. and you kind of go along with it because you don't really know what is going on. this was 15 years ago, for me, what i'm talking about. now today, i don't know if you guys put up with that. like, would you? >> -- as much as i am a feminist and a try to stand in my truth and power, i want to be on cnn. so, you do what you need to do to -- not to say that they would not have me on the show if i did not look a certain way or what. but i think the point, though, of this, is, where does it stop? yes, meghan markle was holding a briefcase on a game show and paris was --

we also know it carries over in other sectors. it carries over in television. it carries over in politics. candidates, what are they wearing? they dissect the vice presidents wardrobe -- >> every day! she takes how long in makeup? we'll, if she came out without looking professional, what would you call her then? michelle obama looked like this. namely one or two -- >> i get it -- >> what i will say is, whether or not she put herself into that position, within deal or no deal job, i think the fact that she is talking about this makes all women and, hopefully, men, we lies when they are treating women in this way in places. because i've been objectified by members of congress, multiple times. it's very difficult to come forward and talk about that. and it happens, somewhat, to women out of regular basis. and i think that if they see conversations like this that we are covering, then hopefully, men start to realize and women

who do it as well -- because that was a woman who did it to meghan markle -- that that's not acceptable and it should not be done anymore. >> when that has happened to you, in the course of your professional life as a journalist, that congressman are doing, and how do you react in those moments? >> i think early on, when i was younger, i didn't totally know how to act. when it happened in recent years, i confronted the member, with others around me, right outside the floor. and i said that they needed to stop. >> and did they? >> yes, they did. >> but there was a time that when you did that, you would lose your job, right? i think that's what meghan markle is talking about. if she had pushback about against the, she would have lost her job. then you have to realize -- and allison, i keep looking at you, because we have gone through this in our career. as you see -- the standards change and you start looking back to going, why didn't i say something? >> yes. >> to lower's point, and the me too movement, i think it

changed a lot of things in the national conversation and the way we all think about those things. i think we are all grateful. >> thank you for sharing, laura. >> thanks so much, ladies. >> next, what james corden did to get himself barred from a top new york city hot spot. he may have been a jerk. it's possible. >> i know, said.

late night host james corden temporarily banned from new york city hotspots balz balthazar. are the owner's alleging verbal. -- tiny creek an of a man and quote, the most abusive customer in balthazar's history. >> this makes me very sad. because i think james corden is so appealing and he is so

funny. and he's so talented. and it's a bummer that he is a jerk. but he has now apologized profusely, we are told. the ban has been revoked, thank goodness. meg mcnally, balthazar's owner, said tonight, it is self deprecating statement, anyone magnanimous enough to apologize to a aa about like me is -- we have not heard back yet. but this is -- there's a lesson here. don't ever be rude to the waitstaff. don't ever be rude to the waiters. >> or to anyone. >> okay, that some more universal -- >> that's a lesson! >> but particularly, you just are a jerk. if you are rude to the waiters and waitresses, it's like you have a huge jerk sign. by the way, the things he was doing, in june, courting demanded that a round of drinks come the second, and his previous shrinks be camped because he found a hair in his food. that is gross. >> the food, not the drinks. >> and also, did he really?

i don't know. he was extremely nasty to the manager. he also, on another occasion that month, came into the restaurant with his wife or brunch and said to the server that there was a tiny bit of egg yolk in her egg white omelet. that's jerky. >> i have to tell you, as somebody who is awfully new to being recognizable to people, i spent a lot of my time being visible. and i love it. -- and i'm kind of like, oh, i see you. i've been a waitress. i've worked on jobs. and i can tell you, if the person treats people because they have this perceived sense of superiority, i don't care what kind of schmoozing you can do. you will always be seen. so, maybe that's what happened here. i've also never been to balthazar, though. >> i'll take you there. >> -- never mind, she's buying. that's fine. i will go. >> we want to know what you

think about james corden. is he a jerk or did he just have a bad month? let us know about that. >> or how you feel? >> i'm really glad he apologized. that's the right thing to do. tweet us at alison camerota and laura coats. we will be right back.