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they will be counting votes across the country. those votes will determine not only control of congress but crucial local and local and state offices that can shape the 2020 race. both sides are out right now trying to fire up their bases. >> of course the president, he is taking a different tactic. he's trying to appeal to younger voters today, specifically on abortion rights. there is new polls that finding democrats may actually be in trouble with another group -- gen x maybe leading away from democrats. and the question really tonight is, why. joining us now a cnn political commentator paul begala, general counsel steve's a

phabian, and -- lópez. first of all, are we going to say what generation we are in? >> oh, definitely. >> i'm a proud gen xer. we should put it up and define it. because at this table i think we might have a baby boomer, to gen xers, a millennial and -- >> gen xer. >> three gen xers! >> i didn't know if you are gen z or not. >> thank you. >> i was born in 19 80s in july. -- >> wait, you were born in 1980? >> 1980. >> are you a casper? -- >> round out? >> never mind. >> gen x -- >> what's going on with gen x. >> -- >> their choice for congress is significantly more republican than any of those other age demos. >> right, it's the weakest

stage cohort for democrats. what happens with a lot of people -- not everyone, but a lot -- you identify with whose president you came of age under. i'm at the end of the baby boom but i don't remember woodstock or any of that. so i culturally identify with baby boomers. the first election i voted and was reagan against carter. i was at the university of texas. reagan carried my campus overwhelmingly. i was in the minority. i voted for carter. those folks i grew up with, who are gen x, they are still -- they identify with reagan, they are still republicans. young people today, they came of age, positive identification with obama, and then the most amazing, negative identification of with trump. -- so, some of it is. that you identify either positively or negatively or, in the case of obama and trump, both, which is why young people are the most wonderfully solid proof of age demographics for the democrats. >> and yet, president biden is

trying to make sure he is trying to entice younger voters by talking about the guarantees that he as president and the democrats if they retain the house majority and a better majority, will codify reproductive rights -- i wonder if it is persuasive, politically speaking. is that the coveted demographic? and is his approach persuasive? >> after president obama show that young voters actually vote, that they turn out and vote, democrats have been trying to get young voters to continually turnout in big numbers. in 2018, we saw them break records for their age groups, millennials. then in 2020 again, millennials, gen zers, with gen xers, actually turning out in greater numbers, than anyone in the age of 25 to 60. so, young voters vote. the question, a lot of times for millennials and gen z years, is whether or not they are motivated to vote for democrats, so that's why you've seen

president biden, his numbers, when they were so bad -- they are not that great now. but when they really dip down that -- last year. -- but president biden. and young voters, where his numbers had been high with them, in 2020, exit in 2020, they went down. it's because a lot of them were not seeing what he thought they were going to accomplish -- so, with student debt, with abortion, with roe being overturned, i think we've seen those numbers start to take back up. and young voters have also been registering in greater numbers this cycle than they did in 2018. >> david, you are general counsel for cpac. you know quite well the conservative base and the thought surrounding it what is the strategy at play. it's obviously a coveted demographic for reasons that laura talked about. with the approach in that category? is that law you are seeing -- and jim x is more conservative? >> where is it?

>> gen xers are -- i think paul has a fair point that everyone -- but at the same time, gen xers are kind of uniquely positioned. because they are approaching retiring age, at least i am. you guys are far younger than i am. -- approaching 401(k) s -- home values are dropping. so, they are starting to feel great unease about what's coming up and you had 30 trillion dollars in debt. that all impact social security. all these things come their undermining confidence in the gen x -- >> are using in other words they, haven't always been a conservative co-fort? -- more conservative? >> i think they are getting more conservative. as we see all these things add together -- in a weird way, a kind of feel bad for the white house. because they can't get a break. if they try to appeal to the gen xers, or they try to appeal to the young people, with student loans, the student loan buyout, vote by off, and they

will upset the gen xers, all of whom have paid their student loans off by now. if they don't appeal to the young people, if they don't do this the student loans, the activists go crazy. so, they can't win either way. >> the divides are much more -- but they are much more pronounced on race, gender, education, region. they are terrible divides all across the country. the good news is, the worst of them is not age. there is a terrible divide on, particularly, race and education, particularly among white people. if you are white person that went to college, golly, when i was a kid, if your name was on your shirt, you were a democrat. if your initials were engraved on your lapel, you are a republican. now it switched. all the college educated people are in my party. all the high school educated white people are in his party. so, those divides jovial out more than the generational ones. >> i wonder if part of it is -- you know, we are talking about

generations. there's obviously a nostalgic component where people have a very skewed perception of what america is and what it looks like. and we have to recognize the country still. is it what i anticipated if i was -- the way you are talking about? is part of this conversation a skewed, road colored glasses nostalgia about, for older voters, what you hope to the country will be? hence, the phrase make america great again, followed by those who say, make america what it ought to be for features innovations. >> i think that definitely plays a role. because when you look at all the -- and poles of jim's ears and -- you go down the issues, and on every issue, even though millennials and gen z years are more likely to say that they are not affiliated with a certain party or they are more likely to affiliate as an independent, on all the issues, they skew more toward the democrats. on climate change, an lgbtq rights, on abortion, on racial justice, you go down the list and they tend to vote mustache more democratic. i think that's because, a lot of these issues, you pick out climate change, it's something

that they feel absolutely strongly about in a way that i think some of the older generations don't. >> how about crime? >> crime is one of those issues that cuts across generational lines. if you don't feel safe, you are going to vote for change. and i think that's the real problem that we have across the board. we can talk about the drivers of prime. but there is no disputing that crime has spiked in major cities and in rural areas. and that is driving people to feel less safe. and if you feel less safe, you are going to go to the polls and make this a change election. that's what we are seeing up and down. what i would say is, we see, at cpac -- and these are the activist activists -- we are seeing a resurgence in young people. i've never seen so many young people come to cpac. >> is that right? >> they are motivated by the life vision. there is a substantial and

growing pro-life cohort we did in gen z, that were raised on pope john paul, raised on pro-life messages from church, and they are coming out in force. are they as dominant as, i think -- >> they are not the majority. >> they are not the majority. but there are a lot more vocal than i expected. i'm seeing that across the board. >> while we are on a historical discussion, i also just want to clarify something that i said earlier. i had the wrong information. in fact, that bill that was proposed by senator lindsey graham about an abortion ban that senator marco rubio, i think cosponsored, it does allow for exceptions for rape and incest and the life of the mother. i apologize for that. >> thank you. >> stick around everybody, we have a lot more to talk about. tell us what you think, through this had alison camera to, and laura coates, and we will read some of your thoughts later this hour.

>> so, with so many polls in so many debates, it's easy to get lost and details about what is going on ahead of the midterms. let's get a view from people in the air, the people who are on the air, joining me now our fellow radio host phil press and mark davis. they are here to tell us what voters are telling them. i'm excited to hear both your perspectives. because we talk about what the nation is thinking, we hear about the polls. and then it's not till you really have conversations on air, when you get people to really weigh in and tell you what they're thinking about. so, gentlemen -- i will start with you here, bill. when people are fired up --

when they are hearing about a particular debate or aspect of our politics, what are the things that they are really fired up about and calling you about? >> first of all, i find people are really excited about these midterms, which i think is great. look at the turnout so far. over 2.6 million people have voted already. georgia, they had a record turnout on the first day, than they ever have had, for the first, day in the midterms, which i think is great -- i'm old fashioned. i think the more people that vote, the better for everybody. the people that i talked to, surprise surprise, are mainly on the left of the political equation. would i find people particularly excited about our couple issues. i would call them, maybe, the sleeper issues in these midterms. one's abortion. the roe v. wade decision. there are more women than men. there are more women who vote

that and then. i think a lot of women are not telling the pollsters that they don't like being treated as second class citizens. they don't want cops or the government in their bedroom or their doctor's office. they are going to vote on that issue. the other issue is, that i don't think we are talking enough about is, democracy. two polls out this week that show 71% of americans believe that american is -- i think that is going to have an impact, four people worried about the basic principle of democracy, which is, the people decide and the candidates accept the decision and move on. >> mark, you are nodding along. what are people calling you about? >> i've got about an 80 20 conservative liberal split. on the 20% of college from the left that i get, i can completely corroborate everything that bill press. just said, interesting thing about that democracy in peril questions. that's a towering number. i think if you gather 100 people concerned about democracy, half are concerned

because trump and his supporters exist. the other are concerned because they think there is going to be cheating. it can be different concerns for the reasons that people are worried about, democracy. abortion rights, absolutely the left is on fire about it. the conservative concerns that i hear, though, and this is what makes me feel really good, about three weeks from tonight, our inflation, crime, the economy, things that everybody is concerned about, where is abortion and climate and -- it tends to be more of an exclusively liberal concern. the republican talking points these days seem to be about things that have broader appeal. >> when we think about these issues -- go ahead, i want to get your take on this, they'll, but i also wonder -- all politics days local. we talk about and i often ask the question of people, look, if you are allowed to vote in this nation across any state that you want, which we know is not the case, but --

people are looking at these more local races. but they are seeing parallels more broadly, more nationally. they are seeing either blueprint for what is happening and they want that to be the case in their own state state or are they -- hoping it won't exist there. the, when you think about the idea of local politics and the national stage, are your colors and those in radio thinking about the disconnect between really have a national media is getting it? >> that's such a complicated question, laura. first, i just want to point out, i think to a certain extent, republicans are easy. they want to talk about crime. even though there is no crime wave, if they want to talk about inflation. even though inflation has lovely off. they want to talk about the economy even though the economy is doing pretty well, thank, you being in a war and getting out of covid. they don't want to talk about abortion. they keep trying to change the suspect. that's why you see people like blake masters, like herschel walker, backing off of this issue. because they know it is such an important issue. but to your question, look, i think --

i agree with tip o'neill. i think most politics is local. and in these midterms, where there is no president on the ballot, i think most people will look at their member of congress or their senator and see, what is that person going to do? that man or woman, going to do for them, and their state -- having said that, i still think donald trump in these midterms, even though he's not on the ballot, it's a huge factor. because of the people that he has endorsed and the rallies that he has given. and, to a certain extent, it is still a referendum on donald trump. >> mark, i will give you the last word here. what do you think about that? >> i think bill has embellish long points there. first of all, as a conservative, i will talk about abortion all day. and my gratitude for having roe v. wade returned, properly, to the states, and i think a lot of republicans going to show up with gratitude for that. and also, i'll win with bill and tip at the same time, about politics being local. what's interesting is these big

national issues of crime and inflation and education, these are very national but they're also very local. the inflation and crime crises and they are both crises are not only happening nationally but they are happening right outside everybody else is home. i feel good about our chances. >> well, bill press, mark davis, tip o'neill, thank you all for joining the show tonight. to all three of you, tonight. >> thank you, thanks. >> thanks laura. >> -- alisyn, it's so important to think about, it's one thing to talk about these issues. we talk about these polls, and the poll rollercoaster. then you get down to, what are people really talking about a kitchen tables? atwater coolers? in their cars? i think radio gives you that. -- >> these guys have their finger on the pulse of what people are thinking. i also want to give a shout out to mark davis for being so chivalrous on twitter, when one person, really, on earth, tried to criticize us --

he was like, put up your dukes and he defended this, which was very -- >> that's because people have this impression, alisyn, that you can only talk to people who they think are like-minded to who they perceive you to be. >> on to you. how do they know what we are thinking? >> we just have a conversation with people? that's part of it. i'm glad everyone is here in talking about these issues, it's important. >> all right, we have more of that ahead. >> still, coming up, george floyd's family once kanye west to stop talking about him. we will tell you whahat they are doing legally.

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trump has denied those allegations. let's bring in paul begala, david safavian and laura barrón-lópez. they're all back with us. so, lower, this is very interesting. because i interviewed e. jean carroll about this. -- don't trump has denied it. and he did more than denying the rape. he also disparaged her in the process and also said he had no idea who she was. she has pictures of herself with him. it's interesting that a judge is forcing him to sit for this deposition. because he had tried to get out of it by saying -- he had some sort of cover. but i guess he doesn't. >> right. he's also clearly been trying

to delay the potential of this deposition. what's interesting here, though, and e. jean carrol could very well amend her statement in this defamation case, is that trump repeated his now recently on truth social. so, he just repeated it again while he is not president, saying, i did not do this, attacking her again. and so the fact that he did that publicly while he does not have the so-called protection which he had when he was president, to say this, now, the legal understanding, as far as i know what, is that she could very well amend her statement and now include this in it, and it could potentially weaken his case. >> what do you think about it? >> -- somebody denies a crime, that they've committed a crime, that's defamation, automatically? no, her statement is more nuanced. -- a he didn't just night. you tried to disparage my application in the process. you talked about me in terms

and in terminology that was supposed to wrap our reputation in the community. -- what's interesting about this is, remember, defamation, and obviously the idea of depositions, it's about getting information. they want to hear from him. not just give documents from him. you can imagine the pandora's box, if you are his attorneys thinking, wait, you actually want to talk? and how can i control us? and depositions? on the other hand, it might be, as you are talking about, the way to get the renewed information of this, it's a way to now open the pandora's box and we'll see my saying other instances. yes so many other and discussions. i wonder if he will be tightlipped. >> that will be a first. >> he could end up pleading the fifth again, couldn't? -- >> still, the point is -- >> since he's talking on truth social, he's been talking about this, i think he wants to talk about this. >> he did take the fifth in a

new york state civil lawsuit attorney general filed against him 440 times. the guy who said, on the mafia guys take the fifth. it took to -- use before that, 2007, you see the journalist him o'brien. o'brien wrote a book in which he wrote, trump is not worth anything like the amount of money claims. that's the core of donald trump. so, he susan bryant, o'brien opposes and has brian has written, trump admitted under oath, to 30 different specific lies, because he's under eight -- he's got to say, oh, i was lying about that, lying about that. o'brien has written up -- o'brien, by the way, won the lawsuit. trump lost. -- as a lawyer, not a real one, like laura for, they went to the greatest law school in texas, university of -- is just not his nature. he's never careful and he's never tightlipped. >> and yet, if he doesn't, then what? that's the emboldening, the

notion of teflon down. something you mentioned in 2007. i'm not saying he's -- >> a lot of consequences -- >> what will happen if he talks about this in the deposition? >> let's take a step back here. because there's a real fundamental problem that no one has touched. i think that is, as we talked about in earlier block, this campaign is going to be all about two things, if you are the democrats. they want to make it about abortion, they want to make about trump. lo and behold, a judge two weeks, three weeks before the election, pops in a development where they are going to force the president to testify. >> this has been going on for a couple -- >> it is. that is exactly my point, alisyn. it's been going on three years. -- >> he's not on the ballot and he's not president trump. he's donald. ex president, rejected by the american people, out of office. he's not above the law. he needs to be held accountable for his conduct for once. >> i'm not saying everybody gets a pass. everybody gets a day in court.

>> -- right, it's trump's fault. >> -- every single campaign wants to try republican exit donald trump. >> -- that's where it's easy. they could disavow him. >> oh, you know better than that. >> i think david's point is that perception is king. there's already ongoing talking points about how it appears that those who are susceptible to that logic that this is just another way to try to get at him and try to hold him accountable and the timing is bet -- is that your point? >> i mean, look, as i said, everyone deserves a day in court, i'm not taking that away from e. jean carrol. what i am saying though, is that this all of a sudden out of the blue deposition comes in at a point in time that there is hope. i doubt it will be effective. but there is hope that tying every republican candidate to donald trump is going to hurt the republican candidate. so, it's more than a coincidence that this is. >> but it's not really out of the blue, is the point here, david --

>> let's be candid -- we just got a new story tonight and decided to talk about. this was a surprise -- >> she filed a lawsuit sometime ago. you interviewed her years ago. >> the timing of -- >> we are 20 days from the mid term. oh, so he is immune, because he's not on the ballot -- give me a break. five minutes after the midterm, he's going to announce for the president. -- he needs to be held accountable. if he's innocent, which he may be, testify, open up, show your evidence and testify honestly. >> you don't see it that way? >> i think we are paul is trying to go is just the latest justice -- i understand that argument. but i understand that 22 days from now, it doesn't change the justice denied aspect of things. what it does do is it keeps us from poisoning the -- >> let's work we talk about

kanye west. because apparently we can't go tonight without doing this. so, george floyd's daughter, we all remember her on the shoulder of her uncle, saying -- and her grief talking about her father -- her father's going to change the world, which was president. the mother of that child is now suing kanye west because kanye west went on a podcast and said that george floyd died of an opioid overdose. but we all watched with our own eyes about how he was killed. >> right. >> and so they want him to stop talking. and they are going to file a cease and deceased about this. what do you think, laura? >> it's curious and will respect. because we did see those multiple minutes. we have officers who are convicted and serving time traveling down so. and having it unequivocally proven to the jurors in minnesota -- >> no overdose. it was the need to then -- in a prone position by an officer who said --

but did not. the other option is, you do have, normally, in defamation cases, it's an action of the living. it's an action of those who are presently alive who are able to say, listen, your statements are defamatory. i will be curious to see how this is written in such a way to make it viable in this instance. but it is really atrocious to think about the way in which there is a constant chatter by this particular artist, kanye west, diving into areas where the facts are otherwise. antisemitism on the one hand, and the death of george floyd. >> yeah, where he has no expertise and -- even though he clearly has at his disposal the ability to educate himself, has not. yes, he said it was a fentanyl overdose. the medical examiner explicitly ruled this a homicide and said that while fentanyl may have played somewhat of a contributing role, who is not the determining factor in

toward footstep. it was a homicide and it was down because of the knee to the neck and the restrictions there, of oxygen there. so, yeah, it's pretty frustrating, especially as reporters, when we have to constantly respond to celebrities or elected officials as well who spew lies on a consistent basis. and hate and bigotry. >> yeah. and the family doesn't need to be re-victimized. >> shame on anybody who brings even a microgram of even more pain to that family. but i have to say, double shame on the right wingers who are using kanye and using the statements to advance themselves or promote some sort of political agenda. and by the way, ignoring the antisemitism, not calling out antisemitism -- to me, they're even worse. county is talked about her struggles with mental. very right strikes on the net. but and --

i guess i hold the politicians more count will because i'm a politician, right? the people who are using him to advance a right-wing agenda are even more shameful perhaps then mr. ye? ye he is now? >> ye. >> -- >> there is that third level of shame here. one lawsuit representing george floyd's brother -- we have to luis cruising in a bentley, creasing and eventually trying to chase an ambulance. here -- >> she shouldn't he cease and desist, saying around and hurtful things about george floyd? >> i don't know when we got into the point of time when, you know, saying something wrong or stupid becomes a lawsuit. i don't get it. we see this all the time, whether it's on social media. everybody jumping on folks. i'm not defending kanye west's comments here. what i am saying is that there

is a hair trigger among folks to file a suit over the slightest thing. and you can't tell me that an eight-year-old daughter was listening to an obscure podcast and heard this. >> well -- let me just say, definitively, though, as a lawyer, i do not think it's fair to denigrate the lawyers for the family of george floyd or his daughter as ambulance chasers. i think they have done a great deal to promote the fact that we should have accountability when an officer is involved in the death of a human being. i also think though, back to the point you raised earlier, that people have this perception, time and again, that there is somehow an incentive to bring cases against police departments, individual police officers, because it's somehow so lucrative, that it will outweigh the public service and public need. i think it is a public service to be able to hold officers to

account. >> -- ambulance chasers -- >> and the data shows otherwise that it's lucrative. a lot of these cases end up going nowhere when it's filed against officers, the civil cases. and officers don't actually have to pay. the payments are -- yeah, almost never pay. >> -- >> kanye can probably afford it. i'm just guessing. >> we need shame. -- free speech rights. we used to have a social system that shamed people. and his right-wing friends are not shaming him. >> all right, everybody, stay with us, if you would. up next, you need to hear this -- and a study on the importance of a good nights sleep. >> oh, thank god! >> and napping! i know a lot about this. everything shows we are not getting enough sleep. so what's the solution? we are goioing to talk about it when we get back.

>> all right, my mom is about to be totally validated, because she is right all these years, as she often is. getting a good night sleep is so important to our health, especially as some people age. a new study shows that people aged 50 and older -- i'm just kidding, that was not -- >> random people age. >> -- five hours or less a night, get this, they face a 30% high risk of developing chronic diseases as they do get older. compared to people in the same

age group, sleepily seven hours a night -- back with us here is paul begala, david safavian, and laura barrón-lópez. first of all, alisyn, let me start with you -- >> yeah, i'm a world-class super sleeper! i'm a world cup sleeper. i can fall asleep on a bed of nails, i can fall asleep standing up. -- when are we supposed to sleep on the shift? [laughs] throwing off a little bit of my superpower. i don't know if you guys know this, we are on until midnight, i don't know if anyone told you when you agreed to do this. >> down lemon somewhere is laughing. >> i can fall asleep when i get home. that's not enough sleep. so, when am i supposed to nap? i'm just a little bit confused of, have you can crack the code on? this >> actually would wake up and think, at what point can i nap again? but i know it's restorative, right? there must be times when you

walk out the same way where i'm like, i've got to try to buckle down. but then there's napping too long. that can be -- >> how much sleep you get, paul gala? >> -- early afternoon, before 3 pm -- >> okay, i'm doing it. >> it works, it -- >> you are a believer, laura? >> i'm a big believer in naps. -- >> i'm pretty positive but i'm a millennial. >> moving on, david -- >> no, wait, wait -- >> -- >> a nap and every day but especially on days when i get six hours or less, around 2:30 pm, 1:30 pm, it really hits me and i start having to do some mapping. fine up for an hour or more that messes -- >> i get to groggy.

-- fall asleep? golf channel. who watches golf? it's the most boring thing i've seen in my life. -- for no reason. >> the older i get, the less sleep i get. i sleep five hours a night now. and i didn't think i was in the knapp category. the older i get, more prone up i am. but all the millennials that i work for me, a better view there working 18 hours. now that i have heard that paul begala is taking these 20 minutes nap, i'm going to go back and watch that seinfeld or georgia sleeping under his desk, and build at the desk. -- >> you've all given us a lot of good advice here. thank you very much. it's time for you all this handoff. we will read your tweets next. >> a and sleep.

>> all right, time for you all to sound off. see what the viewers are saying tonight. this first one is about james corden. he made a mistake. i'm not condoning his behavior. however, we are all flawed. speak for yourself. >> the next one comes -- she's not flawed, apparently, everybody -- a next one comes, as a professional, my curly happy hair is part of. the package -- don't weigh in for any amount of money. >> all right. next, this is laura -- i think to laura barrón-lópez. >> oh, it's to me. >> there we go. >> we are considered x-ennials -- >> oh, you like that better than gen x. >> -- you are melding.

i like that. >> at laura coates and alisyn camerota, everyone is like, no, you are gen x it's fine, i'm accepting it. >> our coverage continue, see you tomorrow.

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