good evening, we begin tonight with a second exclusive audio recording by an investigative reporter and reporter bob winner of the former president. some of us played on cnn earlier, today about what you'll hear tonight has never. aired from 2016 through 2000, 20 woodward taped his conversations with the former, president some of which went into his second best seller on the subject, rage. he'll be releasing all 20 of these conversations on the 25th

of this month as an audio book titled the trump tapes, which runs for more than eight hours. cnn has obtained a copy. what you will hear tonight striking. it speaks to who he was as president, who he is as a person, and how completely intertwined the personal and presidential work for him. and probably still are. something that's not just apparent in what he says, but even more so and how he says it. something the printed were just cannot fully convey. the conversations also speak directly to some of what the former president is now being investigated for. namely how he views classified material. and a presidents responsibility for safeguarding some of the country's deepest secrets. that's why these conversations, which have never been heard before, are so significant. cnn special correspondent jamie gangel has an exclusive tonight. she joins us with some of the audio. what stands out to you the most? >> i think as you said is hearing trump say these words. and you're in the room with bob woodward. it is trump unvarnished, blunt, profane. it will not surprise you that he attacks people he does not like.

and he boasts about himself over, and over, and over. but what is also revealing, anderson, is how trump seems to need to try to impress bob woodward. including at times telling him about classified information. >> i had built a weapon system but no one's ever had this country before. we have stuff that you haven't even seen or heard about. we have stuff that putin and xi has never heard about. >> getting along with russia is a good thing, and a bad thing. all right? especially because they have 1332 nuclear effing warheads. >> the relationships i have -- the better i get along with. the beltway that you someday, okay. this is not a bad thing. the easy ones are made ones i don't like us, much don't get along with them so much.

-- >> woodward says he was never able to verify the weapon system, anderson, but he uses it as an example of just how casual, dangerous, cavalier. those are quotes from woodward, the trump's about classified information. the audio also has another recurring theme, trump over and over and over tells woodward just how tough he is. >> there's nobody this tough than me. nobody tougher than me. you asked about impeachment, i'm under impeachment. and you said, you, know you just back like you just won the effing race. nixon was in a corner with the thumb in his mouth. clinton took it very, very hard. i just do, things okay. >> it's classic trump, anderson. i do, or i want to do. of course, it's also a stark reminder of the trump presidency. as he is floating. that he wants to run again in 2024. >> some of the audio we heard

in 2020 around the publication of woodward's book, rage. how much of this is never before heard? not just from donald trump, but also from his aides? >> there are more than eight hours. so there's a lot we never heard before. and there are absolutely new interviews with trump's then national security adviser, robert o'brien. his deputy, matthew pottinger. and throughout the recordings, you hear in the background, what i would describe as trump 's court. these are advisers, allies, family. people who are in the room. you hear melania trump, senator lindsey graham. and the audio also gives an inside glimpse of trump's inner circle. like this exchange, this is in 2016 when then-candidate trump was asked whether he expects government employees to sign nondisclosure agreements. and his son, don jr., chimes in.

>> cory has, one hope has one, did you sign? one >> donnie has won. >> i'm in the middle of the book, i don't about. that [laughs] >> he is the one i'm most worried about. >> yeah, i'm not going next week's paycheck until i sign. >> do you think there is a fahrenheit agreement, in that no one could write a book or -- >> extremely airtight, i don't like people to take your money and that's a bad things about you, okay. >> i'm not getting next weeks paycheck into lie side when. it anderson,, finally the audio book ends with bob woodward, who does commentary throughout the eight hours, saying that his past assessments of trump were not harsh enough. in the epilogue, woodward says, quote, trump is an unparalleled danger, the record now shows that trump has lead and continues to lead a seditious conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election. which in effect, is an effort to destroy democracy. and quote.

>> jamie gangel, appreciate it. -- stay with us i want to bring in gloria borger -- david urban -- , former campaign manager to the former. president gloria, the new audio, obviously, it sheds light on trump's mindset during his presidency. i'm wondering what your biggest take away from what we just heard? >> let me echo something jamie just said. which this is total and absolute carelessness when it comes to matter of national security. talking cavalierly about how he built up our weapon systems. giving an exact number for russia for the number of nuclear warheads they have. which, by the way, could be classified and could also not be true. we don't know the answer to that. and also, talking about how tough he is compared to these other presidents. the one question that i had listening to it was, okay, you are so tough, then how come you could not handle losing an election? which is exactly what happened to him. and he wasn't so tough about

it. >> david, as someone who knows the former president, does his bragging about weapon systems or trying to, ingratiate himself to bob woodward by giving numbers, and you know, alleged numbers of russian nuclear capabilities, talking about how tough he is, does it shed light on why he may have been inclined to take classify documents to mar-a-lago? >> listen. anderson. i'm not surprised, right? i participate in a lot of those conversations. i heard the president talk about that on numerous occasions. >> are you in these tapes? >> i'm not on any of those tapes. but i've talked to bob woodward a lot, i'll tell you that much. bob woodward is an incredible journalist. he has a way about him to get people to talk to him. everyone knows about bob woodward is writing a. book everything you say is on the record. but yet, people open the kimono and just spill their guts to bob woodward. kudos to bob woodward for that. as jamie pointed out in her piece, when she was introducing

this, none of this has been verified. trump's hyperbole about, we create the biggest, baddest weapon system that nobody knows about. it might not even exist. we don't know. this president is known to have a little bit of hyperbole, as you know, anderson. i would not take any of it as fact. >> it's rare for the president of the united states to be the guy in the bar bragging about how big his weapon system is. you know? >> [laughs] you remember -- you remember the comments to kim jong-un, my button is bigger than his by. you remember that? >> this may shed some light on why those documents went to mar-a-lago. why did he want to keep some of these things? we don't know the answer to that. we really don't. but if you listen to these tapes, it may be, one of the

reasons, let's say, that he just likes to brag a lot. and so he likes to pull out the love letters from kim jong-un, as he did for bob woodward. maybe that is the reason -- there could be more nefarious reasons. this could be one of them. >> it is a fascinating idea, jamie, one tries to look at all the explanations on why some would take classified documents to mar-a-lago. and you think, oh, is someone trying to sell them? is it for, whatever. and it might just be, he just likes to have stuff around him that he can brag about and show people his kim jong-un later. jamie, i want to play another clip for former president trump decide to share with bob woodward -- what is? it the letter from kim jong-un, jamie? >> the letters. yes. >> let's play them. >> nobody else has them. but i want you to treat them with respect. >> understood. >> i don't say i gave them to you, okay? >> okay. >> i think it's okay. normally i would give them. i was not going to give them to bob. , what do you make a photo stat

of them or something? >> no, i dictated them into a tape recorder. >> really? [laughs] >> i mean, okay. don ' t tell anybody. >> bob, don't tell anybody. photostat, dictating. it's quite a scene. but the reality is, this is the kind of incident where national security advisers to trump, their heads were exploding. these are not letters -- letters from heads of state should not be handed off to reporters or shown -- these are letters that we know he likes to show and everything, but it is not the way it's supposed to be done. and they are classified. and there were other things that, you know, he may have shared with him. it's just -- as one very high-level intelligence official said to me, it is reckless. >> david, did he ever show you

the kim jong-un letter? >> i can neither confirm or deny that i've seen the kim jong-un letter. >> [laughs] >> he has it framed on the wall. >> has there been a former president who has been so fixated on the trophies? i know roosevelt liked to hunt. maybe that neither trophies -- >> i can't imagine. i only think of, like, let's think of past presidents. jimmy carter, when he left office, he went to build houses for habitat for humanity. he did not exactly go around showing off trophies. or, you know, classified documents. or documents that should be classified. this is a person who has portraits of himself all over the place. golf clubs, et cetera. he is somebody who likes to show off. and likes to brag. and so, it's hard to imagine any former president behaving this way, dealing with the

national archives in this way. trying to negotiate for over a year. and then claiming, you, know i declassified all the stuff. and telling somebody, apparently who worked for him, you know, they're mine. former presidents don't do. that >> anderson, can i just say, although we're laughing what the letters and his boosting and everything, let's not forget that he also took to mar-a-lago with him such highly sensitive top secret documents, that the archives went to the department of justice, and the department of justice did that search. so, there are some things that may seem light. but there were some very sensitive documents there. >> yeah. >> anderson, i would say, that's exactly, jamie is correct. let's not conflate things that he shared with bob woodward and what is in these tapes with what had actually might have gone to mar-a-lago. i do not think what bob woodward's told is a threat to national security, wherein some

of the documents that may gone to mar-a-lago, some the ts/sci-y, these dawkins might be a problem. >> david urban, jamie gangel, i appreciate it. also tonight, another courtroom defeat for special counsel john durham, whose investigation of the russia probe, the former president said would once quote, reveal corruption at a level never before seen in our country, unquote. so far, it has not done that. cnn's evan friends joins us now the latest. john durham's appointment of special counsel, his investigation of the russia dossier began with a lot of high hopes for attorney general bill barr, present trump, what happened here? >> well, anderson, it started falling off the rails almost immediately, as this case went to trial. it's a weeklong trial. eager denture was charged with five counts of lying to the fbi last week. the judge threw out one of those counts. and during the trial, almost immediately, durham himself went after some of his own witnesses after they delivered testimony that was helpful to

dan zhengzhou. so, it was frankly not a surprise when we saw the jury come back and say that he was acquitted on all four remaining counts. in the, and obviously this was a case where the jury did just not believe that danchenko lied to the fbi. >> and durham is now taking two cases to trial. both have ended in acquittals. is there anything left of his investigation? >> well, he's dropping off his investigation we expect that after the midterms, we are going to see a final report from john durham. by the way, as you pointed out, two cases, both acquittals. the federal government almost never loses cases that it takes to trial, anderson. so, it's very unusual situation. we do know that in one of the cases, in one part of his investigation, he did get a guilty plea from an fbi lawyer, who lied on part of a -- on one of the forms that was sent to the pfizer court to get

a surveillance warrant. but beyond that, we expect, at least from what we saw on court, we expect that john durham is going to argue that trump was treated unfairly by the fbi, that the investigation of trump russia ties was flawed from the beginning. so, that is what we expect to see in his final report in the coming months. >> evan perez, appreciate it. thank you, next, with midterms just three weeks away and record early voting places, we'll look at the latest pulling and our senior data report harry enten will help walk us through what it may mean for democrats republicans. later, the 2020 election denier who could become governor arizona. we'll take a closer look at republican kari lake ahead on three 60. and click to activate cash back or coupons at thousands of stores. cha-ching. this is going to be great. taking the shawl off. i did it. is he looking at my hairline? my joint pain isn't too bad. well, it wasn't this morning. i hope i can get through this. is plaque psoriasis or psoriatic arthritis

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between senator marco rubio and democratic challenger val demings. here's senator rubio answering a question for all candidates this time around. >> will you accept results of the 2022 election? >> i've never denied election, ever, i've never denied an election, i'm not stacey abrams, a georgia election denier. i never denied an election. i think in florida, i think in florida we have great election laws. but i think elections have to have rules. and congresswoman demmings support this effort to have a federal takeover elections. what would that look like? you cannot ask for id. you have to ask for id to get in her neighborhood, where she lives, and you have every right for that. but you can ask for one when you vote? allowing people to drive around with a truck full of absentee ballots, allowing people to basically register an hour before, the same day the election and vote? we have to have rules, and we have laws. and those laws have to be followed. florida has good election laws. and we had record turnout. they had record turnout in georgia. and they're out there calling for some sort of segregationist jim crow bill. these are rules, these are

rules that allow people to have confidence that the vote counted and their vote matters. they are not suppressing anyone's vote. they are rules designed to make sure the system weight the way it supposed. to >> let me just get you on record that you support the results of the november 2022 election. >> but will you? >> moving on. >> but yes, no matter what the outcome is. i will support it. because florida has good laws. >> again, we are now just three weeks from counting the votes. cnn's one and only senior data reporter harry enten joins me now. when we seeing out of florida in this race? >> marco rubio is going to win. i don't think there's a lot of mystery there. obviously, strain things can happen. but if you look at the, polling marco rubio is clearly ahead, 5 to 10 points, i think of a poll on their screen right now has him up seven points. look, it's a red state. it's probably going to be a good year for republicans. so, the public candidate, marco rubio, is going to win. >> georgia, record turnout, what is that indicating? >> you know, we always talk about -- >> yeah, that's your answer, yeah? >> we will talk about early voting. yeah, these record numbers.

turnout, interest, is high. but the fact is is that the people who turned out to vote early, the people who vote by mail, are overwhelmingly democratic. republican voters are mostly, or a lot of them, clearly more than democrats, wait until election day to count ballots. we know this from the polling, we know through history. it is not a lot to read into early voting other than perhaps interest. which we knew already, because record primary turnout. >> i've seen some polling that there had been some hope, a lot of hope among democrats that kind of the pendulum was shifting towards democrat. that may not be the, case in a maybe more towards republicans. >> if you look at a trend line, right. i think this is. clear look at the generic ballot trend line. if you go back to june, you sorry publicans were ahead in roe v. wade was overturned, and then by september, you saw the democrats had actually overtaken republicans on the generic ballot. look where it is. now the republicans have regained that advantage. roe v. wade kind of goes on the backburner, you see republicans running on the economy, running on crime. these are much better issues for them. so you're seeing republicans retake that lead on the generic

congressional ballot. of course, we will always show you that congressional ballot, you obviously what the heck does that mean? what is the congressional ballot, the generic congressional ballot mean? what i've done for you anderson, the audience, to make it clear, because i like making things clear, i've converted that into how many seats the republican party will win. and generally speaking, in the range of sort of the results that we've been seeing on the generic congressional ballot, we're looking for republicans to get a majority somewhere in the 230 feet range. it might be a little bit above that if that generic ballot final lead is really strong, it might be a little below that it's a little weaker. but generally speaking, for the house of representatives, what we are looking for is for republicans to have basically anywhere between say 226, 227 seats, and somewhere up to perhaps 235, more less. >> you lost me on your actual graphic. but i hear what you're saying. >> i so try to make that graphic look good. >> it's complicated, what is? that >> estimated gop seats one,

226 to 236, based on a final generic ballot. it's a democratic concern. >> but at the other senate races that you're watching? >> look, it's coming down to four seats. it's coming down to four seats. democrats need to win three of these four races, right. we're talking arizona, we're talking pennsylvania, georgia, nevada. right, now they are head and threw those four seats, with raphael warnock and georgia being that 50th seat. of course, if it gets to 50% plus one, in order to avoid a runoff, who knows. it could be that we are determining senate control in a runoff in georgia in december. that's possible. but the other thing i will note is that these races are all within the margin of error. so it's plausible that we might not even need that georgia runoff. republicans could gain control the united states senate before the december runoff. or the democrats win nevada, maybe they already get the majority themselves. so, things are just really tight in the senate. unlike the house, where i think republican a good position. >> all right, harry enten, i appreciate it. >> i'm going to try very hard on those graphics. explain it very well with my words. >> more on how this is all playing out in a key state that

is expect be central to the white house in 2024. jeff zeleny has more. >> to deal with inflation, have to reduce costs for the american family, while we get through this, for sure. >> congressman dan kildee still talk about inflation, three weeks before voters here in michigan still decide whether democrats should retain control of congress. by now, president biden and his fellow democrats hope that high cost from the spring and summer would have eased. but the fears economic headwinds seamstresses ever. >> is a challenge for us, absolutely. people tend to hold the party and the white house responsible for everything. we just ask folks to really think carefully about what the alternatives are. look at the current condition other publican party, look at their policies. >> kildee is sounding the alarm of the prospect of the role of taking the reign of the house, even as his rival poll youngest trying to keep the economy and inflation at the center of the race. >> people are really concerned about the possibility.

i mean, everywhere i go, gas prices, grocery prices, it's really hitting their budgets. >> the battle for control of congress runs right through michigan state district, which includes saginaw county, a battleground within a battleground that voted twice for obama, once for trump, and for biden. one of only 25 such counties in america. this year, the verdict will be shaped by the dueling sentiments from voters like tom roy, a republican who blames democratic policies for inflation. >> gas prices and the economy and inflation, i hope that things get -- we can't continue to spend, spend, spend. it's like a credit card, you can only tap it out so long, before it's over landed. >> and from tracey bought a chilly, a democrat who says there's plenty of blame to go around for inflation. >> i want to screen from the mountain tops, it's not one guy who's doing it. >> so you're hoping the democrats don't land a president. >> no, blame corporations and corporate greed, yeah.

don't blame politics for every single thing that happens in our world. >> with early voting underway the campaigns are taking final shape. and in michigan, abortion is also on the ballot, as voters are asked whether to enshrine the protection of abortion rights into the state constitution. >> my body, my choice! >> -- could motivate voters and boost kildee and naming congresswoman alyssa slotkin, both of which you have made abortion rights central to their political arguments. >> junge would outlaw abortion even in cases of rape and incest. >> two years ago junge nearly lost a race to slotkin. this year, he moved into district to take on kildee. >> 46 years of kildee in congress comes to an end this november. >> -- running to check on the economic policies of the biden administration. >> one party has the white house and both parties of congress that governance often is sees as too extreme. and i see it as a campaign all

the time. >> kildee, first elected to congress a decade ago after uncle held a michigan see for 36 years, conceded that the democrats faced deep challenges on the economy. but implored voters to see it as a choice. >> i don't walk lockstep with the political party. what's the republican brand that we are running against? it's a party that has lost its soul, if not its mind. >> so, the campaign closes with the economy as a central issue. do democrats think they will lose control of congress? >> anderson, there is no doubt that the democrats wanted to close this campaign in the final weeks with anything but the economy. we heard the president talk throughout the spring in the summer that that inflation was temporary, that by the fall it would change. of course, it's burning hot as it ever was earlier this year. so, now the bottom line, yes there are many -- many. issues in, michigan abortion still a big issue. crime, also a big issue. of course, the economy certainly worries many democrats. congressman kildee is wide eyed

about this, he still trying to make a choice between democrats and republicans. anderson, one thing is clear. three weeks from tonight, all eyes will be here on saginaw county. it's a classic swing area. it certainly will give an early sense of how the night will be for democrats and republicans alike. >> jeff zeleny, thank you, appreciate. we're going to watch to ukraine tonight. close war with a cnn exclusive, an up close look at the attack drones russia is using against civilians, including a deadly attack on the capital of kyiv on monday. lincoln's been exploring new ways to deliver sanctuary in its vehicles. comfort for body and mind. that's ambitious. but the future of sanctuary, well that's downright audacious. ♪

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as a top ukrainian military official today predicted victory by next, some of the country also announced a increase in the country's death toll from the attacks on key. five now dead, including an elderly woman, a husband and his wife was six months pregnant. a friend of the wife spoke with cnn today, saying that the couple was inseparable and they had been thinking of leaving kyiv days before the strike that killed them. russia is increasing its use of these drones, which are supplied by iran. and in a new development, two sources familiar with u.s. intelligence said iran ascent military personnel to russian territory crimea to train and advise on the use of the drone. closer ward is in kyiv tonight

with a cnn exclusive. what more are you learning what the drones, clarissa? >> anderson, there's definitely a sort of clearing disparity between what we are hearing from the radiance and what we are hearing from the russians, and what we are seeing here on the ground in ukraine. essentially, the russians say they are only using russian weapons. the iranians say they have not been supplying the russians with any weapons. but today, for the first time, we were taken by ukrainian military intelligence to see a large -- six iranian made drone. everyone has been talking a lot about these kamikaze drones but they are not the only ones that are being used on the ground with devastating effect. take a look >> at an undisclosed location, ukrainian intelligence officer alexei takes us to see one of russia's newest threats on the battlefield, an iranian made drone known as the mohajer-6. >> it's big at the bolshoi.

>> used by the russians for reconnaissance and bombing. >> yeah, it was shot, i can see the whole where you shot it down. >> this is the hole from the rocket of ukrainian forces. you can see it, 02, 2022. >> so, this is the day when it was made. >> we think that this plane was made in this year, when the russians began to fly this drone. we have new problems on the battlefield. [sound of gunfire] >> and just the last eight days, more than 100 drones have been fired in ukraine. emergency kamikaze shot six drones, smashing civilian infrastructure and terrorizing ordinary people. [sound of gunfire] the kremlin today said only russian equipment with russia numbers is used in its so-called special operation. but alexei says there is no doubt where this drone comes

from. >> now, i don't see any writing in farsi, in the iranian language. how do you know? >> [speaking non-english] >> we know it is an iranian plane by two main things. >> yes. >> the first thing we watch for the exhibitions for the plains in other countries. and some years ago, iranian airline companies showed this. >> this exact model? >> this plane, and the second thing is why we visited this iranian plane, yes, we have one, only one right and by their hand. >> can you show me? >> yes, of course. >> so that's farsi? >> i think, yes, you are right. >> so, if i understand, you are

saying that they try to hide the fact that this was made in iran. >> absolutely, yes. >> ukraine has called for more sanctions against iran for supplying the drones. so, far sanctions have had little effect. the components are commercially available in a number of different countries, from japanese batteries to an austrian engine and american processors. >> this is mohajer-6 the, now we're seeing these kamikaze drones, shahed 1:36, and you said there's a new generation of drone coming to the, arash-2? >> yes, arash-2, very much from. this >> how soon could this new generation of jones be supplied to the russians, and how much more dangerous could it be? >> well, anderson, you know, according to alexei, they believe this could be happening in the next few months. and that's what really concerns

them, because this arash-2 can carry a lot more firepower, certainly then the shahed, which can take maybe 40 kilograms, so roughly 88 pounds of payload, if you will, of explosives on it. compared to the arash-2, which can take about five times as much as that, 200 kilograms, well over 400 pounds of explosives. that, if it was really implemented effectively in the battlefield, would have a truly devastating effect on ukraine civilian infrastructure. but also on the lives of ordinary ukrainians, as we've seen. and that's why i think you are hearing military intelligence officials who are normally very tightlipped about the stuff take a more public and proactive stance and say this is what we're up against, and this is what we need to combat this. and again, we're hearing ukrainian -- ukraine's leaders reaching out to israel, the u.s., to nato, to have or they can, asking for

better more sophisticated anti-aircraft defense systems. and particularly ones that are effective in defending against drone attacks, anderson. >> and obviously one of the benefits of these drones for russia or iran is the relatively -- the low cost them compared to obviously operating a jet fighter or, you know, cruise missile. >> some of them are low-cost, relatively, the shahed are certainly lower cost than the mohajer-6 which we saw, it would be more expensive. but they kind of work in tandem with each other. mohajer-6 it is kind of a command and control, doing the reconnaissance, and then you can send out those shahed's, which you sort of basically flood the zone with, anderson. they fly very low, they're not detectable on radar systems. and, so ukrainians are finding themselves having to use line of sight and try to shoot them out of the sky, literally, as you saw those social media videos, anderson. >> clarissa ward, appreciate it, be careful. just ahead, we're gonna get

back to our coverage of the midterm elections, just three weeks away, with a focus on rising star in the party kari, lake, the gubernatorial candidate in arizona. she's a former local news anchor, she's fully embrace the former presidents lies. there's an in-depth reporting from what imposed on, that the reporter joins us next. taking the shawl off. is he looking at my hairline?

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you heard our harry enten a short time ago talk on the midterm elections, three weeks from today, and pout probably will be a good year for the public, it's in his word. and certainly in the house, when the more polarizing republican in this cycle is their candidate for governor, kari lake. she's a former news anchor turn candidate who's embrace the presidents election lies, and has become a figure in the republican party as part of. process she appeared with dana bash and repeatedly asked him shoot except results of her own election, no matter the outcome. repeatedly, she refused to answer directly. here she is. >> my question is will you accept the results of your election in november? >> i am going to win the election, and i will accept that result. >> if you lose, will you accept that? >> i'm going to win the election, and i will accept that result.

>> kari lake is also the subject of a fascinating subject of the washington post, i am joined by the author that piece, elaine creamer. her lighting is extraordinary, and one of the things that you get out of the piece is that she is constantly mike, she's wearing a microphone at all times, even when not on television. in order to catch any questions from a reporter that she will then use against the reporter, and then put it online. it's a whole other level of campaigning. >> correct, i've never seen anything like it and covering campaigns another side of the aisle. she has a small microphone in the ear that maybe you or i would know this, but no one else would. and it is not connected to the mic system in a room, or at an event. it is connected to a camera that is actually operated by her husband. >> who is a camera person from the station. >> who is a camera person from the station, and owns a production company. he's also a person who designed that home studio you saw that

clip. >> with that, lighting -- >> the lighting, the sepia tones, that gauzy flatness. and yeah, like he said, the purpose of that, in her words, is to catch the media, what she calls the fake news media when they're being -- when they're misrepresenting her campaign. but often in practice, it is an opportunity for her to sort of tee off on reporters and frankly tried embarrassed them. >> also, she seems to like to look for opportunities, to have snide and -- remarks to reporters that she can turn and say, look, i'm owning the fake news media. like, attacking somebody's ratings, which is a classic trump move. like, attacking the local stations ratings. >> and her followers. lovett and i think it's something that, you know, obviously trump showed that can be very successful at his rallies. he like to do a little bit of performance art at his white house press conferences. kari lake has taken that to a

new level. some of these interactions are private ones. i mean, the first time i met, or i went up to her and said hi, i'm ruby cramer, i'm with washington post, and i love to do a profile on you had spent some time with you. and she neatly cut me off and said who owns your paper again? who are you with? and who owns the washington post? and just got very in my face. i think she raised her index finger. and i said jeff bezos, founder of amazon owns the washington post. and she said exactly. you don't give anybody fair coverage. and this is the first time i meeting her. and there were no cameras on me except her own. but, so, i think she's taking every opportunity to just sort of, like get those numbers. >> you talked about her in your piece as the next generation of trump republicans. and she already has a national profile. it does not seem to matter to anybody that she has no actual qualifications of having led anybody and anything other than leading a newscast, local newscast at i think 5 pm and 9 pm, or 7 pm 9 pm.

which, you know, i'm not criticizing that, but i'm not qualified to be governor. and she has no actual leadership experience in that sense, right? >> i think in one sense, she has no qualifications. and another, it's the only qualification that matters, right. she's known widely across arizona. she says that she knows arizona while because of her 20 plus years on the anchor dax at fox channel tenth, which is the local affiliate in phoenix. we'll also discrediting the entire industry that she came from. so, it's really this kind of interesting tight rope she's walking constantly. >> it's also interesting, there's no answer to it, but you look at how she turned from one person in the newsroom for most of her career, that all their colleagues knew. that all of a sudden around 2016, it seems like, is that the right year, she basically kind of, a light went off and she became the person that she is now. unclear exactly why, but it's a fascinating thing to see that

transformation. >> i spoke to a dozen of her former colleagues, and they said they knew or sort of as a free spirited, big personality in the newsroom. she's a former, buddhists shoes to wear the cabal registering around her wrist. and now she is constantly quoting bible versus. and i think based on my reporting, it seems after 2016, she did become enamored with trump, having previously supported brock obama. and i think she underwent a similar transformation that many people did when they saw him, something good for her. >> ruby cramer, it's a fastening profile, it's in the washington post. coming up, a discovery in a river, the bodies of four missing man with four gunshot wounds. a person of interest is being looked. at the history of what happened, next. if you have a "before" bath, now's the time to call bath fitter to get a beautiful "after." with our unique tub over tub process, there's no mess or stress. spend smart on a beautiful new bath done right, backed by a lifetime warranty. join over 2 million happy customers who know:

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doing anything to deserve this. >> but how and why these men were killed remains a mystery. investigators say the men's cell phones were last tracked into salvage yards on the edge of town. near one of those yards, investigators said they found evidence of a, quote, violent event. investigators say they interviewed the interview of the salvage yards last friday. the men denied knowing the four victims. but then, he disappeared. until tuesday, when he was arrested in florida for driving a stolen pickup truck with oklahoma license plates. >> joe kennedy is considered a person of interest. but no charges have been filed. investigators would like to speak with him again. >> investigators also say they have evidence the four victims were plotting to commit some kind of crime. >> that belief is based on information supplied by a witness, who reports they were invited to go with the man to,

quote unquote, hit a lick big enough for all of them. we do not know what they plant, or where they plan to do it. >> police in oklahoma have said they believe these four men were planning some sort of crime. when you heard them say that, what did you think? >> it was, they were hard workers. they were hard workers. the whole family is devastated, you know. whatever they were doing, whatever, i mean, whatever it was, they were not going out to murder people. what was our was going on, i do not know. but what i do know is, we need some justice for this. >> and anderson, it's important to point out that this person of interest, joe kennedy, investigators say he was cooperative during their meeting with him on friday. it is important to point out that there's been no indication so far that he's considered a suspect in this case. but that relative of one of the victims that you heard from there say the family is simply

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