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>> have a great night. >> look, we will keep the conversation going here on cnn. good evening, i am laura coates. >> and i am alisyn camerota. with the midterms 21 days away, thank you for getting caught in florida tonight in the first and only debate between marco rubio and val demings. >> plus never before heard until now, anyway, tapes that the then president talking to bob woodward. >> you're about to hear his real thoughts on vladimir putin and russia and his own impeachment. we also have brand-new audio from trump's inner circle, meaning his son-in-law jared. >> that we had never heard his voice? parameters that hole and nitro milan -- >> we're gonna hear it again. tonight >> this is how women evolving the story, the story that everyone has been talking tonight as well, her name -- hair straightening linked to higher rates of uterine cancer, and black women may be more affected. is the pressure to look a certain way now affecting our health? the idea of beauty standards and how is judged, this third

to me is really so relevant. we need to elevate it even more. the idea that something you are putting on your body in a treatment is causing cancer to the extent of even doubling for black women? >> unbelievable, and believe me, white women get their harsher and a lot to. it's sobering for all of us because, i guess i should have known that formaldehyde is bad for you, but i did not know that i had such a direct link to uterine cancer. >> that and think about all the different impacts that we are talking about. we'll talk about more tonight and more in-depth. it's a important story additional get lost in the shuffle. we covered here. i am glad. let's kick it off with our midterms and elections happening. here with us is -- a former top aide to paul ryan and john boehner. also commentator ashley allison and chief correspondent, dana bash. what a panel, glad they're all here tonight. >> fantastic, guys, great being here. so, should we play something

from the valdes, marco rubio -- >> yes, they dove right into it, and talked about abortion. >> i am one hunted percent pro-life, because i don't want to deny anyone the, rights but because i believe that innocent human life is worthy of protection. that, said every bill every spotted on abortion, every deliver voted for has exceptions, every one of them has does. because that's what can pass, and it's a majority of people support. the extremes of abortion on this campaign is congresswoman demings. she supports no restrictions, no limitations of any kind. >> senator, how gullible the really think florida voters are? number one, you have declared that you support no exceptions, even including rape and incest. as a police detective who investigated cases of rape and incest, no senator, i do not think it is okay for a ten-year-old girl to be raped and to have to carry the seat of her rapist. no, i do not think it's okay

for you to make decisions for women and girls. as a senator, i think those decisions are made between the woman, her family, her doctor, and her faith. and who stand over there and say that i support, don't support abortions up until the time a birth, it is just a lie. >> well, first of all, she leaned right into the whole police -- of this. but if you happen to catch what rubio said? it's what can past. i mean, for many voters, you think yourself, i mean, it's not a pie in the sky ideal. but it is the standard only pursue that which can be accomplished, is that really where we are? >> i think it's also interesting that he started with saying i'm 100% pro-life. but i vote for things that can just pass. and i think there is a contradiction there. it is unfortunate that people are not, they're playing this flip-flop giving game. and valdes came in strong, hot.

she kicked it on multiple levels, law enforcement, a woman someone who has investigated these crimes. and really told a story that we know is personal and it draws a contrast of, like, who do you really want leading in this moment? >> also, who do you trust. he she also fact-check them. because every -- has an exception. she's co-sponsored the one with senator graham. does make a exception for rape or. incest she called it out. i'm not sure what he -- i guess he's trying to thread the needle and make people think that it has more exceptions that it. does >> she even said how gullible or you are to voters, based on that. point >> also, fact-check, reality, check that is not going to pass now. probably not in the near future, because even if republicans do take the, senate it will be by a seat, a couple of seats, not the 60 votes needed to break a filibuster. and that is what we. needed >> but the democratic field has exceptions, right?

>> but does it have a rape and incest. >> i stand corrected, i'm going to check that. i >> believe it. does >> i believe what is, what was really interesting about marco rubio's answer, yes it was very practical. but it, was he, was in one sentence, able to say this is what i believe, like a shout out to the most conservative voters on this issue. i'm one hunted percent pro-life. and yet, also, also say, look, i am, i have been in the senate. and i know what it takes. and i know what the majority of people want, which is exceptions, exceptions for abortion. >> i'll now you'll dramatic reading from our cnn -- senate bill introduced by south carolina senator lindsey graham that would be abortion at 15 weeks without exceptions for rape and incest. >> okay, so there you go. >> that was not that dramatic.

>> that was a dramatic read. and be quite honest, i did not memorize the ins and outs of that. because this was a very deliberate political ploy by senator graham, and i guess senator rubio, in order to get republicans on record with something that they support, because they are getting so -- >> frankly a very selfish move by senator graham. because he wanted to score points. and i think that is what rubio 's doing there with the base, with evangelicals, saying look, here's what i'm for. i think what rubio was trying to do there was pushback bit on democrats. and this is some of the frustrations that republicans have had. there's a lot of questions of where's your line? as a 15 weeks, is a 12, is it never? a lot of republicans go, what is the democrats, line where, at what point you want to draw the line at one abortion should end? i think the very question, the democrats get asked a lot. i think you try to push back. there she did a very good job of not taking that bait, pushing back on him. i will say, any conversation about abortion right now is a win for val demings. this is not a topic that republicans want to be talking about. i think the topics that we discuss's debate, what it was guns, abortion, the elections, all benefit.

her not as much conversation in this debate about the economy, which is what marco rubio wants. >> that's part of the issue, right, when lindsey graham put that into the universe. on the day that president biden was signing the inflation reduction act, which many republicans thought was going to be an easy went to try and under my in some way and say the child's not selling is gonna be short term win in this issue, and he came out this very thing. and i still go back to the point, and i think it's a difficult thing. on the one hand, you are not taken seriously as a politician, right, unless you know you can actually get what your platform you are saying passed. so, he's talking about what he can do. but still, for voters, for many of whom are younger voters, first-time voters, they do want the hope of getting things done outside of the institution in washington. >> they do not want a national abortion ban, though. and that is actually what the graham bill is. and it's contradictory to what republicans are saying. they said the dobbs decision wants to take the decision back to the state. and then you have lindsey graham introducing something

that would do a blanket abortion ban. and that's not what the average american wants. they do want exceptions. i do hear your point about what are democrats rules. i think the line for them is it's women's choice, and let it be between her and her doctor. >> i, mean polling will show there is a big swath in the middle the country that believes there should be always be able to have an abortion in certain circumstances, but there should be limits on what point. >> yes. >> and it's a big conversation, and a big group of people to have. to your point, what republicans have screwed up, is we've always said we want to be the reasonable ones, let states has some reasonable restrictions. and when we just, like, in states where you're going to six weeks or zero weeks, or -- it's contradictory to what we've been saying for years and years and years about why should be able to trust us. >> the thing about, it i mean, the one way to solve this, right, roe v. wade did have those limitations. >> the viability framework essentially. a fetus can be viable outside

the womb without medical intervention, essentially, was going to be that threshold was one the reasons why republicans don't want to be talk about the issue. because there was the decision that could have that. >> absolutely, and i think what you said about questioning democrats on what their threshold is, whether or not they want any, any legal limits at all is something that i ask because it is important. because this is now a states issue. so, when you're talking to people who are running for governor, more governor then congress, because it's probably less likely now that you're going to get a national piece of legislation, at least for the short term, is probably going to be a states issue. that matters. it's a very, very big question. and for the democrats who don't want any restrictions, and they say it should exclusively be a decision between a woman and her doctor, they are a bit out of step with the way polling shows. >> before we go, i want to play something else that senator lindsey graham said today. and this was with herschel

walker, because he actually spelled out what he really likes about herschel walker, which i think is interesting and good to hear. here it is. >> so, ben from south carolina, i'm begging you to elect herschel for the benefit of the people of my state. we are all in this together in washington, right? if we had one more senator in washington in the republican column, i would be the budget chairman, not bernie sanders. [applause] [laughs] that is a good trade, herschel. trust me. >> that's what he likes about herschel locker power. that he could get a promotion. >> but that's what they're doing. >> i mean, you have people wondering what it is? >> you should not be surprised by this. >> why did he speak the truth. >> in other -- words >> that is the frame they want, that this seat decides who controls the senate. it's not about the budget share. it's about control. mitch mcconnell being --

>> i just like lindsey graham to -- >> i would get a promotion, everybody. >> they're saying this is not what herschel author, forget about herschel locker, this is republican thing. >> because they know he's a disaster. >> and that's generally what republicans are saying the state. and he had a debate last friday where he actually did a good job presenting himself as a generic republican. where there may have been some weird moments, absolutely. but he did a very good job of framing this as raphael warnock, the democrat, is gonna vote with joe biden. i'm the republican, i'm going to be a check on that. that's how similar game yet. >> how many times did your bosses in the public and leadership, pre-trump, distance themselves from people with scandals like herschel walker? a lot, right? >> the exact same scandal. >> the exact same scandal, exactly. trent franks is who you're talking about. >> tim murphy and several others. >> it's not happening now, for lots of reasons, trump changed the game in some ways. but it's also because they have their eyes on the majority. and if they throw herschel walker under the bus, then it

is pretty much, forgive me, game over for the notion of taking back the majority for republicans. >> this was a pivot, right? trying to get people buy him instead of in spite of. now it's top of the inspite of candidacy, which is a whole new threshold in politics where we are right now. >> all right, thank you guys very much, dana, thank you. we're uniting. you everyone else, you're not going anywhere. stick around. next, we have exclusive audio tapes of bob woodward's interviews with president trump, including what president trump says about the latest from kim jong-un. are those letters part of all those classified documents that trump took home? we will find out. nobody else has. the by wanting to treat them with respect. >> i understand, understand. >> and don't say i gave them to you, okay? >> okay.

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welcome back to us tonight branded bucket actually allison. this is a gold mine,, 90 slips are credible, what jumped out to you? >> eight hours, and it's not just donald trump. you hear the people around him as well. but i'm going to start with something that really i think shows donald trump. it will not surprise you. it is unvarnished, it is profane, that means he swears a lot. and he attacks people, people who don't like him. and he boasts a lot about himself. but what i thought was revealing was how much he wants to impress bob woodward. you just hear it over and over. and at times, he thinks he can impress him by telling him about classified information. here you go. >> i had built a weapon system that nobody ever had in this country before. we have stuff that you have not even seen or heard about. we have stuff that putin and xi have never heard about before.

>> getting along with russia is a good thing and a bad thing, all right? especially because they have 13032 nuclear warheads. >> the relationships i have, and the -- the better i get along. them they explain that to you maybe one day, but it's not a bad thing. the easy ones are the ones that i maybe don't like as, much don't get along with as much. >> so, just to clarify, woodward was never able to verify whether this system exists. but he uses it as an example, and there are many throughout the audio books of how trump's national security advisers, their heads are exploding because trump is just repeatedly so cavalier, dangerous, reckless, careless, with classified information. >> in, away it just strikes people, certainly me, he realizes bob is going to write

a book, right -- >> he wants -- >> he knows he's being taped, right? >> that's the mind-boggling part of this, the idea of speaking that cavalier in the way he does, but he also wants to talk about how tough he is, with some chance, beating which we've heard oftentimes before. but he again digs in here in a way that is just odd. >> look, this is classic donald trump. i think if you go through the transcript from the audio book and you put the word tough in, it's every graph that comes up. or cool, he's very cool, he's very tough. and one of the things we saw was he also shared with woodward those kim jong-un, the love letters. those are classified. and they may not be the most top secret thing in the world, but he is not supposed to be sharing them with a journalist. >> in, fact these are part of the reason why he is under investigation, these letters. >> so certainly, these were one

of the things that he would not return. and obviously, everybody knew about them because it was public. eventually, after a year, the national archives got those back as part of the 15 boxes that trump sent back in january. but they had to pry away from him. >> let's listen to the audio clip of him revealing these two, this classified information to bob woodward. >> nobody else has them. but i want to treat them with respect. >> i understand, understand. >> i don't say i gave them to you, okay? >> okay. >> i think it's okay. normally i would not -- i was not going to give them to bob. what, you making photos of them? >> i think they have made them into a tape recorder. >> the whole photo stat thing goes back to, you guys are two, yang but i remember the me a graph in high school.

i think we're talk about the same time. listen to what trump says. >> usually i don't do this, but here we go. [laughs] >> don't tell anyone i gave them to you. >> again, he knows he's being tased, right? >> 100%. >> during this? >> it's hard not to hear him -- bob woodward's a legend, right? and trump loves famous people. it's hard not to imagine he's trying to impress bobbled are. he knows that bob woodward's famous. >> but why he's a legend? essentially for undermining our president. >> but he liked the fact that somebody's got write a book about him. and if anybody hasn't had the pleasure of hearing donald trump privately, it's hard not to be astonished by the way he, zigzags, wanders, parenthetical, 's non secretaries, and he jumps all over the place. but he really just wants to impress people, that's what it is, he wants to charm you. and i think that's what he's doing here. >> he's also telling him treated with respect. how about you treated with respect? they're classified documents. like, some consistency here?

and he does want to impress woodward. but he also, i feel, that there is the sense of he is above it all. and that i can give it you because i am the king of the castle, and i am, like, the ruler of the land. and the rules do not apply to me. and that is so many people caught in the narcissist. but that is, like, his behavior, narcissistic behavior. >> i'm so, why do you think we has it at mar-a-lago? because he wants to shows visitor. >> yes, yes that's the thing, because if he showed it to bob woodward, is that the only one he showed the classified stuff to? we don't know, that seems hard to believe. laura was pointing out earlier that we went a long time without ever hearing jerry kushner's voice. and people did not know, speculated that there were -- fits about what that was. like >> darth vader, gilbert gottfried. >> so, here it is can we play this portion? >> can i just headed up by telling you what has happened before this is is donald trump has put jarred on the phone with woodward so jarred will arrange for woodward to have

interviews with other people in the white house. >> okay, got it, let's listen. >> hello? >> jared, it's woodward, how are you? >> good, how are you? >> did you hear what he said, that i'm going to come see you, we've got a date scheduled, i think, next week. and then you are going to help me with some of these other people i want to talk to. is that -- >> perfect, what i will do is i will make a list of other people. what i heard from the president is basically that i now work for you. so, i will make myself available around that schedule. and i will make sure i get you a good list. i will come up on my list, and you come up with your list of wants, i will work to get it to happen. >> i want you to know that i have no illusions that you work for me. i know you work for ivanka, right? >> [laughs] okay, fine, you get it, you get it.

that's probably why you're bob woodward. that is true. >> that's a funny exchange. >> he is bob woodward though. i mean, the idea of -- i'm still going back to this point, i'm always a little bit tickled about just how open and accommodating people are with journalists who clearly are going to be writing a story that's going to be hopefully objective and not have you smelling like roses. >> a couple things i've learned about bob woodward over the years, he does not give up. he will come and knock on your door at 10:00 at night. he also talks to so many people, that when he shows up, he has the receipts even before he starts. he says, well you said this then. and so, people really want to talk to him to make sure they get their side of the story. >> i feel for jared in that exchange, because he does not

know who his boss is anymore. i get the impression that president trump is like today you work with the secretary of state, today you work with bob woodward, today you work for a ivanka. and he's just long suffering jared having to do for whatever you had to do. this is great,, jamie really incredible to hear. >> it's bob woodward's work i'm just lucky enough to have a listen to it first. >> i'll tell you what, if bob woodward is not going to tell a story authentic lock, he's not watching us. >> yeah, bob. >> i think he's watching, guys. >> okay, fine, come on. >> say hello. >> look, there's also an alarming new study we're got to talk about next about the connection between hair straightening products and an increased risk of cancer. and black women may be most at risk. we'll explain this important story, next. born in 1847, formally enslaved, started buying land, was in the house of representatives. finding out this family history, these things become anchors for your soul.

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well, there's a new study by the national institute of health that is raising a lot of concern around the use of chemical hair straightening products. particularly, among black women. if you did not notice on your screen, you are looking at one. the study followed more than 33,000 women ages 35 to 70 for the united states who have used hair dyes, straight enters, relaxers, or pressing products for an average of over ten years. about 60% of participants identified as black women. now, over that time, 378 women were diagnosed with uterine cancer. here with us now cnn political analyst laura barron lopez, political commentator ashley allison, and senior political analyst kirsten powers. this is a topic that is very near and dear to my heart.

i am natural, i no longer straighten my hair chemically. but there was a time that i did. and the idea that so many people i know did so at an early age, did so for a very long time, and now might have the risk of uterine cancer, and is linked in many ways, some do so to try to conform to certain beauty standards in our world, let alone the industry and beyond. and i'm resentful of the fact that this is even occurring. and we were talking about this in makeup, you and, i about when you had your first relaxer, when did you get, when you decide not to do any longer. and it's a real conversation that black women are always having. >> yeah, black women hair, it's a sacred topic. it's a part of our culture. and i think my mom for protecting my hair and not letting me get a relax or until i was a teenager. because it literally changes the chemical makeup of your hair to make it irreversible to go back to its natural state. >> you have to cut it off. >> you have to cut it off and start all over again. and one of the reasons that so many black women, and there's

no judgment on how people wear their hair, a lot of people have their choice and how they do their hair. but a lot of black women to straighten their hair because for so long that was the, quote unquote, mainstream image of beauty. we are now in this renaissance of owning who we are and being proud and really leaning into black and beautiful, like in the 60s, and wearing natural hair. and making sure that corporate america and that on television weekend where our hair in natural ways because it's part of who we are, as part of our culture. >> you've reported on it, the idea of the politics behind us as well. admiral having this conversation, in part, because of the pride factor. but it's also when there are consequences for not conforming. and the crown act is one example trying to codify away so that they're not be so called consequences. again, we're talking about a link to uterine cancer. i mean, it's on the rise in black women as well. i mean, the politics of this is really increasing. >> yeah, it is. and the consequences for, you know, companies like this to

dispose potentially what the result or the correlations could be for chemical straightening. now, personally, as a latina, i have faced a lot of pressure because this is my natural hair, to straighten it throughout my life, even at a young age. weather is from people that was around, not my parents, thankfully, but also, you know, even when i started making the transition from print to tv there is a lot of questions about whether not you're gonna strain your hair, are you gotta change your hair, and i potentially said i am not going to do that i'm going to wear this way. thankfully, i've never actually chemically straightened it. but this morning, my partner sent me that article because i think he was not sure if i use chemical straighten's are not on the occasion that maybe about four times a year i do strain my hair. i don't do it using chemicals. and he was concerned that potentially this could impact me as well. so, i think it is a lot of fear that black women, other women

of color might potentially have if they have, you know, clearly hair that does not conform to beauty standards. by the, way white women get pressure to straighten their hair too. i mean, because there is a beauty standard for black women and white women to have straight, silky hair. or to color it. >> well, i would not know. [laughs] >> but i do know about straightening. i get so much positive feedback. and the times that i've done a -- , my people say my hair looks so fantastic. i say i want to do it more. and i had no idea. i knew that formaldehyde could not be good for me. >> you know, your skin is kind of on fire, and you're sitting there, could this possibly be bad for me? there's fumes, and you're like holding a towel over your face. and obviously, if somebody had said, if i had known, if there had been disclosure that it's linked to uterine cancer i would have never done it. but for the sake of this universal beauty i was doing it. >> there's also the even if it was not bad for you, why should

anybody have to do this? why should women have to spend the money, the time, have to reject what they look like. your hair is amazing, right? it's insane that there was actually a time when you would not be able to have the job you had if you did not conform to whatever the idea was of basically a bunch of men. >> but it has changed. >> yes, yes, and i have a little girl. and my hair's natural. i blow dry it, i flatten it, i want one type islamic all or it. but i was next to you. but for my daughter, i intentionally wear my hair naturally around my daughter. because i want her to understand that this is what beauty looks like. and that it is also what she looks like. and her hair looks like mine when it's natural. this is why i have to constantly think about. they always say things like representation matters, you see yourself on television, see yourself on books, see yourself in politics. and there's few instances where i think people are really seeing themselves.

and to think, and i'm going to sit here for five minutes, trying to think about, the moment on telegram greater, right, yeah, we can't come up with one. i mean, it's absurd. no, because i was saying, i would actually like to, go great maybe i will go gray. and you're actually making meaty -- >> no, because i resent it. because there are men here who have gray hair and no one has a problem with that, right? no one's ever -- yeah, they are a stab list, and all these other things. so, for a woman, it's somehow -- there is a reason women have not done it, because we think we are gonna get punished for it. so, we spend -- i go back to the money and the time that women spanned, that men do not have to spend, just maintaining ourselves so we're except-able to society. just to be acceptable, it's not even to be on a different, you know, level or something. >> i think that they meant -- i was in the gym, and my friends said oh, my gosh, have you seen this.

and i think the thing that is so disturbing is what testing, what other things are we using on our body that they are pushing down our throats, and we have no idea the impact in the long term. and what type of testing. i do know that everyone can have straighten or hair. but the way relaxes, i mean, i just for me per, there's a whole tiktok trend of where the just for me permit girls at 20 years from now, because it was shoved down. the marketing was pushed down on little black girls. that if you did not have silky straight hair with a little bow you are not pretty. and that nobody would want you, nobody would love you. >> let me tell you something. from all of our conversations, there should be no judgment. wear your hair how you want to wear. it i like to wear my hair how i like to wear my. hair i hope you all do as. well that if you're doing it because someone tells you that's how you're supposed to look, call me. >> [laughs] >> that's right, let's have the

conversation happen. but that's just for me. >> i go around the world and -- >> i want you to know, and we think about the steady as well and the pressure society puts on black and latino women, and women more broadly about the standards. that, and anything else you want to say to alisyn and me, within reason. you always invite the whole conversation. within reason, with what we are talking today. at me alisyn camerota and laura coates, use the hashtag cnn stand out. g) (clattering) (frustrated grunt) i need some sleep. (groaning) (growling) (silence) (sigh, chuckle) if you struggle with cpap, you should check out inspire. inspire. sleep apnea innovation. learn more and view important safety information at inspiresleep.com.

meghan markle talks about being objectified in the news episode of our caucus, archetypes. markle described her experience as a so-called briefcase girl on the game show deal or no deal back in 2006. >> i mean, you have to imagine, just to paint the picture for you, that before the tapings at the show, all the girls, we

would line up in the different stations, to have your lashes put on, you have extensions put in or the padding in your bra. we were even given spray tan vouchers each week because there was a very cookie cutter idea of precisely what we should look like. it was solely about beauty and not necessarily about prince. and when i look back at that time, i will never forget this one beto because moments before we would get onstage, there was a woman who ran the show, and she would be there backstage. i could still hear her. she could not properly pronounce my last name at the time, and i knew who she was talking to because she would go, maher cale, suck it in. markel, suck it in. >> meghan markle sat down with

socialite paris hilton to the dissect labels of bimbo and i'm. want back with us, laura barron-lopez, actually anderson, and kristen. powers, or i'm confused by. this this confuses. me she took the job as a model, a briefcase model, that carries a briefcase a fake money on a game show. and she thought it was about brains, and she had no lines. so yes, she was objectified, the rule called for being objectified, that be honest. but she also was a star on a different show, called suits, where she had a substantial role. that was a different characters. playing so, are we supposed to be outraged that she was a objectified on deal or no deal? >>, looking, right she did take this job. she presumably knew what she was entering when she took the job. that does not mean that she should have to deal with someone who is telling her to suck it in. i think that it is refreshing that meghan markle talks about these things, even though that

was part of that jobs mo, and that job description. and i think her talking about potentially raises a question to whether or not that we need models next these suitcases? do we need women standing next to all these suitcases? do we really need vanna white at all? >> i love wheel of fortune. >> sorry, not to attack wheel of fortune. >> this is a model of the other terms for models, because it works. >> alison, i think the bigger problem is if you're making -- meghan markle starting out however many years ago this was, this was a while ago, these are the options for women. and men have different options. and that's what the point. is the point is she probably did not really have a choice. she did have to do this. it does not make it any less humiliating that she had to do this. >> she did not have to take this job. >> i don't think that is fair. i think that is blaming the victim. the fact that a woman does not have a lot of options in hollywood, except to have to play bimbo's, is not meghan

markle's fault. it's hollywood's fault. so, i do not know that she had a lot of options to break in. and that's the problem, that women -- these are the women -- these are the options that women are given. and there's all these other options for men. henry know for a long time, it's starting to change. because restart to have more women director and things like that, especially because a streaming. but at the time, she was breaking into the business, i don't think there were a lot of options. and i think just speaks badly to the people who were in control. >> i agree. i also think it was the standard of beauty, do you have to be the size four with straight hair. and have large breasts, and all the things that people say like this, that this is what the barbie image of what you need to look like. >> spray tan, for certain complexion, but not too dark of a complexion. and it does go to -- like, the game still would've existed without the woman next to the suitcase. the deal is in the case, not

the women. >> [laughs] >> i guess, but i don't think anybody has ever gone broke putting pitiful women on tv. >> that's the point, though. and part of it, and i've had this conversation, it goes back to cheerleaders, i fully support everyone doing what they want to do, but are you that much more interested in the game because the presence of it? some say the halftime show, i'm not discriminating against that, but i look at more of a definition of what hollywood requires. and the idea that saying, look, here's what we know is going to feed the audience. here's what we know is enticing to people. and she was also speaking to paris hilton as per that conversation, who has been very vocal in years since her original debut as a socialite to talk about how it was a feigned put on this. and that served her well to be put ads cottage, meek, -- >> a bimbo. >> and reality, there is a lot more going on. and i think that does speak about why it would be, that's a

safe space for people say oh, she's not threatening. there's nothing there there. and we are, by the way, five year anniversary of the metoo movement. these conversations and happening over and over again. >> i'll just say about paris hilton, she was playing a role, and meghan markle was playing a role. and she made it her brand. persistent made her brand. of course, we talk about who is forcing her to maker that brand, and she have to make it, but she rode that brand. >> but i that brand for ten years. >> you have to remember how young she was and you get into these situations. i'll just speak about it getting into television, and maybe you can as well. you come into it thinking oh, i'm here to talk about politics, and i'm here to do all these other things. the next thing you know you have people telling you how to wear your hair, how to wear your makeup, and why don't you wear more makeup? it's good to be attractive. it's good to be pretty. it doesn't make you not serious. can we make you a little prettier, can we play this up a

little bit more? and you kind of go along with it because you don't really know what's going on. this was 15 years ago for me what i'm talking about. now today, i don't know that you guys will put up with that, would you? >> it's tough. i mean, as much as i am a feminist and try and stand in my truth and power, i want to be on cnn. and so you do what you need to do to be -- not to say that they would not have me on the show if i didn't look a certain way. but i think the point, though, of this is where does it stop? yes, meghan was holding a briefcase on a game show and paris was playing a reality star, one of the first to introduce. but we also know it carries over in other sectors. it carries over in television. it carries over in politics. candidates, what do they look like? what are they wearing? >> they dissect the vice president's wardrobe. >> every day. >> how she wears her hair. oh, she takes how long in makeup? well, if she came out without looking professional, what would you call her then? michelle obama looked like this.

>> get it. >> the one thing i'll say is, you know, whether or not she put herself into that position with the deal or no deal job, i think the fact that she's talking about this makes all women, you know, and hopefully men realize when they're treating women in this way in their places. because i've been objectified by members of congress, multiple times. and it's very difficult to come forward and talk about that. and it happens somewhat to women on a regular basis. and i think that if they see conversations like this that we're covering, that hopefully men start to realize and women who do it as well, because that was a woman that did to it meghan markle that that's not acceptable. it shouldn't be done anymore. >> i'm sorry. i don't want to leave this point, though, when this has happened to you in the course as your profession as a journalist, that congressmen are doing this, how do you react in those moments? >> i think early on when i was younger, i didn't know how to react. in more recent years, i confronted the member with

others around me, right outside the floor. and i said that they needed to stop. >> and did they? >> yes, they did. they have since. >> but there was a time if you did that, you would lose your job. >> right. >> and that's what meghan markle i think is talking about. if she had pushed back against, that she would have lost their job. so it's like you have to just realize. and i do think what happens and allison, i keep looking at you. i know we've gone through this through our career. as you get older and society changes and the standards change, you start looking back, why didn't i say something? why didn't i do something? >> i do think the me too changed a lot of things, particularly the national conversation. i think we're all grateful. >> thank you for sharing. >> thank you so much, ladies. okay, next, what james corden did to get himself barred from a top new york city hot spot. he may have been a jerk. it's possible. i know, sad.

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late night host james corden temporarily banned from new york city hot spot balthazar. the restaurant owner is alleging verbal abuse against the staff. calling corden, quote, a tiny cretan of a man. >> this makes me very sad, because i think that james corden is so appealing, and he is so funny and he is so talented. and it's a bummer that he is a jerk. but he has now apologized profusely, we're told. the ban has been revoked, thank goodness. >> mcnally, balthazar's owner says tonight anyone magnanimous enough to apologize to a deadbeat lay about like me does not deserve to be banned from

anywhere. cnn has reached out to corden for comment. we haven't heard back yet. this is -- there is a lesson here. don't ever be rude to the wait staff. dent ever be rude to the waiters. >> or to anyone. >> okay. that's a more universal. that's the lesson. that's the lesson. >> but particularly, you just are a jerk. if you're rude to the waiters and waitresses, it's like you have a huge jerk sign. and by the way, things he was doing, corden demanded that a round of drinks come this second and a previous round be comped because he found a hair in his food that is gross. >> but the food, not the drinks. >> and also, did he really? i don't know. he was extremely nasty to the manager. he also, on another occasion that month came into the restaurant with his wife for brunch and said to the server that there was a tiny bit of egg yolk in her egg white omelette. that's jerky. i got to tell you. as somebody who is awfully new to being sometimes recognizable

to people, i spend a lot of my time being invisible. i can tell you, i love it, because i know who people really are and how you've treated people that i watch. i see you. and i think when it comes to -- i've been a waitress. >> yeah, me too. >> i've had all sorts of odd jobs. i can tell you if the person treats people because they have this perceived sense of superiority, i don't care what kind of schmoozing you do, you'll always be seen. i've never been to balthazar, though. >> oh, i'll take you there. it's great. >> do i get a free meal? >> or are you buying? never mind, she is buying. i'll go. >> what you think about james corden. is he a jerk or did he just have a bad month? let us know about that. >> how you feel. >> i really am glad he apologized. that's the right thing to do. tweet us at alisyn camerota and laura. we'll be right back. >> tech: at safelite, we take care of vehicles with the latest technology.