away. we're looking at interstellar dust and gas that's speckled with newly formed stars. it's incredible. also a new episode of my podcast "all there is" is released today. you can point your phone camera at the qr code for a link. it's about loss and grief. we've had a series of remarkable conversations with stephen colbert and others about their experiences with grief. i talk with artist/composer lori anderson, who's awesome. we talk about the death of her husband and her beloved dog, and some of the unexpected ways she felt after those losses. it's a fascinating and at times fun dmoin very sags. and i hope you listen and i hope it helps. it's available on apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. the news continues. "cnn tonight" with jake tapper "cnn tonight" with jake tapper starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com welcome to "cnn tonight,"

i'm -- that's annoying but soft alarms on your smartphone. no. i mean one of those really obnoxious alarms that you might hear a few rows back on the plane. turn that off. but you can't turn this alarm off. and as much as we might all want to wish it away, it's clear with less than three weeks until the midterm elections, the forecast is doom and gloom. and maybe that's why president biden today gave not one, but two, speeches on the economy. >> families are hurting. you've heard me say it before, but i get it. it's been a rough four or five years for the country, but a lot of folks here are still struggling. but there's some real bright spots. >> i get it. folks are still struggling. but one word you did not hear from president biden today, the word, "recession." but he did admit a recession was

a possibility during our interview last week. >> i don't think there will be a recession. if it is, it'll be a very slight recession. that is, we'll move down slightly. look, it's possible. i don't anticipate it. >> but now some of the world's leading economists are shouting the word recession from the rooftops, credit ratings firm fitch warned just yesterday that the u.s. economy will sink into a recession next spring. bloomberg economists now put the odds of a recession at 100% over the next year. 100%, that's pretty confident. then again, this is a news organizations founded by a guy who spent a billion dollars of his own money on a presidential campaign that lasted just over 100 days. maybe the confidence is in the dna. in any case, all the members of the billionaire boys clubs are worried. here's jamie diamond, the ceo of jpmorgan chase. >> europe is already in a recession. likely to put u.s. in some kind of recession six to nine months

from now. >> here's david solomon, the ceo of goldman sachs. >> there's a good chance we can have a recession. i think you can expect there's more volatility on the ho roy zoon. >> one of the wealthiest men in the world, jeff bezos, responded, it is time to baton down the hatchets. even the recession fears are the worries of those just trying to put food on their kitchen tables, who were already struggling, given how inflation has been gobbling up bank accounts nationwide ahead of thanksgiving. the average cost of groceries is up 13% since last september. eggs up more than 30%. cereal, 16%. milk and cheese, 15%. with gas prices hovering at just about $4 per gallon on average, and they could soon rise again. look, there are lots of reasons for inflation. but the one that republicans point to dates back to 2021, when president biden signed a bill to spend another nearly

$2 trillion -- trillion with a tri- -- to continue to ease the pain of the pandemic. that included hundreds in billion of direct checks to americans. at that time, it wasn't just republicans. it was also former clinton treasury secretary larry summers warning biden this could be too much spending. it could lead to the inflation that we're seeing now. >> i think policy is rather overdoing it, taking very substantial risks on the inflation side. >> but the biden administration poo-pooed the inflation warnings. >> summers added, quote, we're in more danger than we've been in my career of losing control of inflation in the u.s. is he wrong? >> i think he's wrong. i don't think we're about to lose control of inflation. >> but treasury secretary janet yellen was the one who was wrong.

how do i know she was wrong? she said so to wolf blitzer. >> was it a mistake, madam secretary, to down play this inflation risk? did that contribute to the problems we're all seeing right now? >> well, look, i think i was wrong then about the path that inflation would take. >> the basic idea, people were being given money but there were not enough goods for various reasons, including factory shutdown abroad. and that made the prices of those goods go up, hence inflation. and we have been here before. take a trip with me back to the future. the year is 1974, the year that nixon resigned. the number one song was barbra streisand's "the way we were." ♪ ♪ like the corners of my mind ♪ >> the way we were was that inflation was at more than 12%.

president gerald ford tried to come up with a campaign, win. a way to inspire americans to spend less and conserve energy. it didn't work. it was mocked as one of the biggest public government relations blunders ever. ford lost and economic hard times continued. three short years later, president jimmy carter called for american sacrifice to combat a natural gas shortage, all while dressed like mr. rogers. >> all of us must learn to waste less energy simply by keeping our thermostats, for instance, at 65 degrees in the day time and 55 degrees at night. >> 55 at night. good luck. i don't control the thermostat in my house, but i digress. a few years later, america's inflation rate hit a record high of 14.6%. voters kicked president carter out of the white house. then there's president h.w.

bush, whose presidency was eventually doomed by a recession in the early '90s, a recession that economists say could be the model for what they say we're about to experience. we should point out there are some significant differences. first, unemployment today is low, like really low. and wages are relatively high. and there are the complications that we didn't see in previous downturns, such as in china, where they've got some insanely strict covid policies. one case can shut down an entire city and all of its factories. that clogs up the global supply chain, which might explain why my philadelphia eagles hoodie has been on back order since last winter. that was all before putin's war in ukraine started. now, recession is a scary word. it sends us spiraling back into the deep, dark hole of the economic crisis of 2008. >> i'm pissed off. american people are getting screwed by the big banks. and i'm getting madder and madder. >> it's unbelievable.

>> but economists are not warning about a sequel to the big short because that rating from fitch that we talked about earlier, they're predicting a mild recession. keyword, mild. mild could still mean tens of thousands of americans losing their jobs and small businesses closing and wage cuts, all of which doesn't feel particularly mild if it's happening to you. but big picture, there is bad and then there's catastrophic. and catastrophic is not in the forecast. now, the politics of this are unavoidable. the economy is the single biggest issue of importance for voters, some of whom have already cast their ballots. you might think it makes sense for democrats to avoid this scary subject altogether. senator bernie sanders was on this show last friday, however, implying that democrats have spent too much time running away from this topic. sanders thinks that's a losing strategy. in other words, he's channelling james carville, who worked to get clinton elected after the 1990 recession. >> it's the economy, stupid.

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welcome back. the midterm elections are now less than three weeks away. and fears are growing among democrats that the party could take a real beating. why? well, a number of reasons. but also because new poll numbers show voters are feeling particularly pessimistic about the state of the economy. a recent "new york times" poll found that 44% of likely voters said that the economy and inflation are the most important issues facing the country.

and look at the other numbers. the next top ranking issues, abortion, immigration, crime, guns, are all at 5% or less. so, what might that mean for candidates across country? republicans are seeing a boost in polls. in wisconsin, pennsylvania, even new york, as americans continue to struggle with rising prices. when i talk to senator bernie sanders last week, as i mentioned, don't assume that republicans have the answers. >> and the irony here, is republicans say, they talk about the economy. really not one of them is going to vote to raise the minimum wage to a living wage. not one of them is going to vote for legislation that makes it easier for workers to join unions. not one of them is going to vote to do what other major country on earth does and guarantee health care for all people. nor will they vote to raise taxes on billionaires, at a time when the richest people in this country pay nothing in federal

income tax. so, i happen to think the republican line is phony and democrats have got to respond. >> with me to discuss the economic outlook and what it might mean for democrats and republicans is republican new hampshire governor sununu. good to see you as always. how do you respond to senator sanders' comments? >> such as cutting taxes, returning surpluses back to lower property taxes and create a more economic opportunity at home? look, i don't think i have to tell your audience. bernie sanders doesn't even represent the democrat party. he's a socialist. so, no, there's absolutely no answers there. he thinks we should look to europe. europe is in worse shape than america is, for goodness sakes. bernie, you don't have the answers. good fiscal hocks, fiscal discipline is what is going to help bring us through the recession. and, yes, the recession is real. we haven't even begun to feel the beginning of it. i can explain why if you want

to. '23, '24, '25, that's when things are going to get tight. we're still going to have high wages, high fuel costs, energy costs, gas costs, this is going to be elevated under this democrat administration. so, there's a tough storm to be weathered here to be sure. >> what do you mean? what do you think is going to happen and why? >> so, look, everyone talks about the $5 trillion into the economy that has driven inflation. that's absolutely true. there's no doubt. what a lot of people don't realize, i think governors and a few of us who are actually in cha charge of allocating those dollars, only a fraction has been spent. it's all been allocated. but the number of checks that have been cut is minimal. ar pa funds, that's all designed infrastructure, all designed to be spent into '24, '25, and '26. so, innation is going to be very exacerbated for the next few years and the recession is going to be very real. never in american history, in world history, do you get inflation like this not followed

by a pretty severe recession. that's why you're going to need republicans, folks that are managers, willing to make tough decisions, to make sure it isn't government that comes first, it's individuals, and that kind of opportunity at a real community level. >> so, senate republican leader mitch mcconnell generally speaking doesn't believe in introducing agendas for republicans to run on. what do you think republicans, assuming they control the house -- and let's just -- why not? let's just say they control the senate. what should they do to improve economic conditions so that inflation comes down and we avoid a recession? >> so, couple things. first, you do exactly what you're telling people you're going to do. you're going to put the top issues first, not top issues for the politicians, top issues for the folks at home, which is why november is going to be very strong for republicans. it's about inflation and cost of fuel and cost of putting food on the table. what do you do? you keep going with the quantitative tightening. the treasury has to keep pulling

back and buying back those assets, especially some of those long-term assets, pull money out of the economy, the only way to get inflation under control. these rates have to stay high fair decent period of time. secretary yellen knew what she was doing. she knew the chickens had to come home to roost, so to say, and interest rates would have to outpace inflation to get this thing under control. and understand that making sure that the dollars that have been allocated are really going to one-time spending, not increasing the size of government. a lot of bigger government programs. and that's the absolute wrong thing to do because you're increasing your long-term liabilities on your local tax payers. we don't have a sales tax here. we don't have income tax. we're getting rid of interest in dividends tax and all that. at the end of the day, you need fiscal hawks that know how to take what they have, create opportunity at the localized level. you can do that in washington. they're not very good at it traditionally. but the opportunity is absolutely there.

the last thing i want to jump on is work force, work force, work force. that's the key to the economy. that doesn't work until you secure the border and create the right type of immigration, the right type of system that lets folks come in, and letting that process happen in a safe and secure way. stop the humanitarian crisis. stop the drugs at the border. but let the immigration flow in a legal way as it should. that can create a lot of opportunity for work force in america. >> you mentioned energy costs. i spent four winters in new hampshire. one of the issues that people in new hampshire are currently struggling with is the cost of heating in their home. they need heat in those new hampshire winters. in some parts of new hampshire, the cost of electricity doubled in the summer. what are you doing to address those rising costs? >> yeah, so, look, the green new deal is an absolute disaster. everybody realizes that. you have to incentivize using

our own fuels. new england is at the end of the natural gas pipeline. all the natural gas goes up through new york into new england. and a lot of the surrounding states have shutdown natural gas plants. renewables are great. you've got to have a good balance of renewables. but there has to be a transition into that process. first thing, do no harm. stop signing bad legislation. stop sign things for political reasons and look at your energy policy through the lens of the rate payer. it's the folks on low incomes, elderly, folks on pensions. they pay the electricity subsidy to subsidize the renewables just like everybody else. it's not that you say no to it, but it's got to be the right balance. the river doesn't get shut off at night. the sun does go down. solar isn't nearly as efficient as hydra. offshore wind, probably not great for kansas, but probably a good opportunity for new hampshire. so, smart energy balances as opposed to politically driven energy policy is the way to go.

>> let's talk about the politics of this. your dad is john sununu who, at one point, was the chief of staff to then-president george h.w. bush. president bush compromised with democrats on a tax bill to try to help the economy. the u.s. still entered a recession in the 1990s. did you get any insight on any of this politically from your father, what it was like watching the economic head winds come. that recession is why he wasn't re-elected. >> yeah, look, i would say my political insight comes from my experience as governor. i'm a three-term hopefully going on a four-term governor. you've got to know you've got to give a little to get a lot. you've got to bring the other side of the aisle into your office. i had a discussion with a bunch of senators when they were trying to get me to run for senate a while ago. they said balancing the budget is hard because you need 60

votes and that's not going to happen. i said, then build the 60-vote plan. that means you have to get democrats. go build the plan that brings democrats on board. find out what they want. give a little to get a lot. at the end of the day, you'll be rewarded for doing right by the american people. businesses have to balance a budget. individuals have to balance a budget. why shouldn't the government have to balance a budget? i have to balance a budget in new hampshire. that kind of philosophy going with the understanding that when you take your obligation first, understand the responsibility of getting stuff done, that drives you to find that compromise. and you've got to work with democrats and democrats have to learn to work with republicans. >> the guy -- you didn't run for senate. and the guy that is the nominee in new hampshire, the republican nominee, is a guy named don baldic. and you have embraced him even though during the primaries you called him a, quote, conspiracy theory extremist who is not a serious candidate. last year, this is what don baldic said about you. >> he's a tiny communist

sympathizer. he's in business with saudi arabian companies that -- >> he is? >> -- that gives money to terrorist organizations. >> who is? who's in business with saudi -- >> he is in business with saudi arabian companies. >> there's so much crazy in there i don't even know how to unpack it. your family is the primary investor for new hampshire. now you're telling republicans in your state to vote for him. this guy's not all there. >> well, look, i'm supporting the republican ticket up and down because you know who's not there? any of my democrat congressional delegation. they're literally not here. they literally spent years -- hassan has spent literally years out of state -- >> you know i'm not talking about his physical presence. he was a staunch election liar. before he won the primary, he was an election liar. then he drastically swapped his

position once he won the nomination and realized oh my god there's a bunch of sane people in new hampshire i have to appeal to. >> i signed a letter with 120 generals and admirals saying trump won the election, and dam it, i stand by it. >> i've done a lot of research on this and i've spent the past couple of weeks talking all over the state from every party, and i have come to the conclusion, and i want to be definitive on this. the election was not stolen. >> i think he's actually since back tracked on that too. but, look, governor sununu, you're a sane republican at a time when a lot of people are looking for sane republicans. >> thank you. >> are you hurting the cause of sane republicans when you embrace people like that? >> no. look, this is about having folks in washington, d.c. that put new hampshire first. was the election stolen? of course it wasn't stolen. that's nonsense, absolute nonsense. and it's great to see him back track on that. that isn't the issue folks are

going to vote on. mar-a-lago is not the issue folks are going to vote on. people vote in their own self-interest, as they should. we should all be a bit selfish with our vote, what's best for my business, my family, my opportunities. that's what a vote is about. you have to be present. you have to be in the state. you have to understand these issues and be willing to make tough decisions. the guy is a war hero. so, he's making connections with folks where other candidates don't and our sitting senator definitely doesn't. there's a lot of opportunity. i'm support ing the republican ballot up and down. as the republican governor, i don't think that shocks anybody, right? at the end of the day, you've got to be talking about the issues that matter to the voters. i know the press likes to talk about all this other stuff, but the voters are going to vote on who can deliver for their families and it's going to be republicans. >> economy is important, democracy is important, live free or die. governor sununu, good to see you. >> good to see you, buddy. it's deposition day for

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talk to anyone in san francisco and they'll tell you now is not the time to make our city even more expensive by raising taxes. san francisco has one of the largest city budgets in america. yet when it comes to homelessness and public safety, we're not getting results. what we really need are better policies, more accountability, and safer neighborhoods. vote no on propositions m and o. the last thing we need are higher taxes, especially right now. now is not the time to raise taxes in san francisco. vote no on m and o.

my cholesterol is borderline. so i take garlique to help maintain healthy cholesterol safely and naturally. and it's odor free. i'm taking charge of my cholesterol with garlique. earlier today, donald trump sat for a deposition under oath. for now only a few select people know if trump actually answered any questions or if he caught another case of, let's call it, forgetfulness. >> i don't remember that. i don't remember the names. i don't know that i said it. i don't know. i don't know -- >> asked and answered. >> i mean, i don't remember. >> by the way, that's the guy who once claimed to have, quote, the world's greatest memory. speaking about trump university, that's the case, ended with trump agreeing to a $25 million

settlement. today trump is facing a defamation lawsuit brought by e. jean carroll. carroll claims he raped her in the mid-'90s. he said he never met her, she's totally lying, and she isn't his type. even as trump fights one case, he's weaponizing cases, including suing cnn for calling his lies, well, lies. i'm joined now by counselor cal who represented sarah palin and hulk hogan for their respective lawsuits. ken, thanks for being here. really appreciate it. jean carroll says she plans to sue trump next month about the sexual assault claims. what are the chances his answers in the defamation case might be used against him in that case? >> you've got this new law in

new york that's reviving statute of limitations. what's interesting about this, you get these attributes of me too cases with the pending defamation case. five years ago in the me too cases were coming, that wasn't as strange. but this is a new vibe. of course the answers are going to matter. they're going to matter for that case. you know, theoretically, if there was ever a criminal investigation, they would matter for that. in other words, if it was fresh and you were alleged rape and the police were involved, you would take five on that all day. of course they matter. i'm not sure there's any real strategy not to answer them in the context of two civil cases. >> right. i would imagine that he just denied that he didn't have a case of amnesia, that he said, no, it didn't happen, it didn't happen, it didn't happen. i can't think of anything else that would make sense. but you're the lawyer. you tell me. >> he's kind of all-in in this one in the sense that the public comments he made on social -- it's a very he said, she said

thing. i never knew her. that's a hard one to get away from. >> right. >> if you qualify something, you may have a wiggle room, memory loss thing, r confused. when you say you never knew her in the context of the accusations being made, you are playing a zero sum he said, she said credibility game to a jury. >> we're in an era where it seems like there's a lot of defamation cases in the media. johnny depp and amber heard's divorce ended up with back and forth defamation claims. black china lost her five-year fight with the kardashians over a cancelled reality show. why are we in this new era of high profile defamation cases. >> it's a great question i'm answering literally every week now somewhere. i was just talking to laura about this talking about alex jones. let's pull away first and say, are they defamation cases? my position on depp/heard was it

was counterallegations of domestic violence. you didn't hear talks about speech or public figure standards or provable falsity. you just had all this mud slinging. alex jones took a default judgment on both cases, texas and connecticut, meaning liability was not an issue. we weren't discussing first amendment principles. there wasn't a hard dive on it. so, are those really speech cases? we call them speech cases because we know that's what was claimed. the issue though of why they're going to trial is the more fascinating one. what i'm seeing -- i'm grass roots level. this is what i do. >> yeah. >> palin was a speech case. >> right. >> you were deep dive on actual basic first amendment principles there, motion practice, appeals, reversals. i think -- and this is just gut feeling, grass roots level, that judges are seeing more and more of what technology is doing in that arena, the privacy, the interrelationship.

what's happening is they're putting -- jake, it was unheard of 20 years to try this many speech cases. i think "the new york times" had try a libel case something like 28 years before tried palin. you've seen four. let's call them speech cases for argument's sake, okay? they involve speech at least at the genesis of the claim. i think what you're seeing is a judge's recognition that, like, enough's enough. there's all this noise out there. we're going to start developing some law here. >> interesting. >> i think we have to for a lot of reasons. >> very interesting. thank you so much. >> thanks for having me again. president biden facing a different type of lawsuit, this one for delaying the release of thousands of secret document files that might shed light on the 1963 assassination of president john f. kennedy. what is still hidden? why? will we ever get to see it? that's next.

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online source of jfk assassination records is suing president biden and the national archives, demanding they release these remaining documents. the lawsuit also alleges that the feds have unlawfully redacted previously unreleased records. and the law might be on their side. then-president george h.w. bush signed off on the jfk records act, which required all documents be made public by october 26, 2017, five years ago. at least 88% of the collection has been released to the public since the 1990s. as for the remaining 12%, it was president donald trump who delayed some of it, citing national security reasons, while biden blamed the pandemic for slowing down the review process. the delay has prompted historians, transparency advocates, and some members of the kennedy family, to question the government's motives.

quote, it was a momentous crime, a crime against american democracy, and the american people have the right to know. it's bizarre. it's been almost 60 years. what are they hiding? good question. his cousin, patrick kennedy, told politico that the records should be released not because of his family but because, quote, american citizens have the right to know about something that left such a scar in the nation's soul. for the good of the country, everything has to be put out there so there's greater understanding of our history, unquote. so many questions remain, mainly whether the accused shooter, lee harvey oswald, indeed acted alone. in 1976, a house select committee on assassinations said, quote, it believes on the basis of the evidence available to it that president john f. kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. but the committee said they're unable to identify the other gunman or the extent of the

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and evil." the film centers around two best friends who discover where the children

>> it's a lot of fun. you can watch it with your kids. behind this female-driven film is paul feig, one of my favorite writers and directors. and writer and director, paul feig, joins me now. paul, so good to see you. you are known for movies such as the revamp of "ghostbusters," "bridesmaids," "the heat," this seems like a real departure. >> people say it was a departure but it's really just "freaks and geeks" with magic. but i responded to the story of these two young women. i love any story about female friendship. i feel like that's a dynamic that doesn't get portrayed as accurately as the women i am friends with. and their friendships are so strong. and i feel like when i see female friendship in movies, it's usually them fighting. i love the message of how strong

their message is and how the friendship saves them at the end of the day. >> that is one way it did not seem a departure for me, that it is about two young women and their friendship, and it also has charlize they ron and carrie washington as older women with a relationship. you've been called hollywood's accidental feminist, the faux can you say with so many projects on female driven roles. why is producing and directing films with all female leads, why is it important to you? >> because i've watched movies for so long, and you know, when i was a kid i watched a lot of movies from the '30s and '40s with my mom. and the male and female roles were very equal. they were on the same footing. watching from the '70s on, i watched women's roles get really one dimensional, especially in comedy. they just became the foils for the funny guys or they were the mean girlfriend or the overbearing wife. i have friends who were famous

comediennes or actresses who would be in these movies. i would be so excited to see them, and they wouldn't be funny. they would just have to be mean. it drove me crazy. and also i just like telling women's stories. i was bullied as a kid, so all my friends tended to be -- i would just run over to the girls' table and talk to them. i was very close with my mom. it all comes around, i just feel comfortable telling women's stories. >> melissa mccarthy movies, they're so funny. and it's such a crime that there aren't more of them. you've said that you see this film -- and it does play a lot with archetypes. just is being ugly, it doesn't matter what you look like because you can't use your brain. you're really playing with the

villain hero or heroine roles. you see this as an anti-disney? >> very much so. people always ask me, like, what's your favorite fairytale? i didn't like fairytales what i was a kid. they were too scary or too simplistic. there's no nuance between the characters. i really don't like the idea of this person's all good, this person's all bad. we see where that gets us today in our country. and i really liked this story mixes that up. and i really liked stereotypes are fun to introduce. people think they know what they're going to get and what's going to happen, and then you start to mix it up, and then it's like real life. at the end of the day, as agatha says, we're all just human. >> you had some cgi in "ghostbusters" but you have a ton of it in this film. we're going to show a little bit of it right now. how different was it directing a film like this? seems like a lot of your films and tv work, which is about

comedy, seems to have a lot of improv, especially with melissa mccarthy and kristen wiig. how much of a departure was this as a writer or director? >> not too much, actually. i have cg fatigue from movies, you know, of the past ten years and more. and so with this movie, even though we have a lot of cg, i tried to do as much practical as we could. the cg is laid real things, like when you see the fish girl coming out, that's the real girl but we wanted the fish over her. but the sets were all real. we made sure not to do green screen sets. when we had the big creatures that we had to do with cg, we would still build giant puppets, and we had a puppeteer with a green suit. the actors are actually acting against something the right size

and not just acting against tennis balls. that's the sad thing when you're acting against nothing. then i can't keep track of that and god knows the actors can't. >> seems like you really let charlize thereon as the head of the good school. you really let them have fun with their characters. what was it like working with these power houses, these icons? >> well, it was great. i mean, i worked with charlize when i directed "arrested development." i did two episodes with her when we had her walking on water across a pool. once you made her walk across water, you're in. but she's great. she has such a great sense of humor. we were always looking for something to do after that. when i read the script, she can just embrace this sort of evilness with a deliciousness that i know she can bring to it. and then carrie, we've been trying to work together for a long time. i know how funny she is because when i watched her host "saturday night live," she was

really funny. my favorite thing is to find people who people don't -- actors who people don't think can do one thing and lets them do that. she was so happy playing professor w because she could bring out all her shades. she was just so wonderful. >> so "freaks and geeks" a show that launched you and john appatow and so many others and seth rogen, too many to name, honestly. it's such a shame. it was such a great show. when you look back on it, it's hard to argue it was a failure because you and judd and everyone else is hugely successful. but do you look back on it with sorrow? what do you think of when you think about it 20 years later? >> i mean, making it was -- i had such a great time. it was really hard. i put my heart and soul into it, as everybody did.

we got great reviews, glowing reviews, but we were always the bottom rated show on nbc at the time. to show you how tv changed, we had 7 million viewers every week. today we would be a giant hit. >> right. >> but it was devastating when you got canceled. my mom died two days before we got canceled, so it was kind of a one-two punch. the sad thing is back then when you got canceled, you were gone. i mean, there was no streaming to go out on, they weren't going to put you out on dvd. okay, this show didn't exist anymore. fortunately four years later we got shout factory to put on the dvds and that brought us back. once we were back and people could see it, i was able to relax and go it's not so sad. >> the scene where jason siegel sings "ladies" still one of the most upsetting and true-to-life stories about a teenager. >> cringe-tastic, as we like to call it.

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thank you so much for joining us tonight. you can follow me on facebook, twitter, and instagram and tiktok. tomorrow we'll talk to former florida governor jeb bush. we have not seen much of him since the 2016 presidential campaign. we got a lot to talk to him about in terms of education, hisses passion, and the many issues facing schools, students, pains, teachers today, covid, book banning, affirmative action in college admissions being debated in the supreme court. our coverage now continues with the rad laura coates and the totally awesome alisyn camerota. >> hey, jake. >> hello, i think the '80s called. >> that was the theme.