thank you so much for joining us tonight. you can follow me on facebook, twitter, and instagram and tiktok. tomorrow we'll talk to former florida governor jeb bush. we have not seen much of him since the 2016 presidential campaign. we got a lot to talk to him about in terms of education, hisses passion, and the many issues facing schools, students, pains, teachers today, covid, book banning, affirmative action in college admissions being debated in the supreme court. our coverage now continues with the rad laura coates and the totally awesome alisyn camerota. >> hey, jake. >> hello, i think the '80s called. >> that was the theme.

'80s theme. >> i like that a lot. thank you, dashing jake. >> thank you very much. >> thanks, guys. >> see you. hello, everyone. this is cnn not to, i'm alisyn camerota. >> i'm laura coates. we're 20 days away from the all-important midterm elections. with key races around the nation tightening up, especially those that will decide who controls the senate. now, there's this question. look, while he's not on the ballot, how much of a factor is the former president donald trump in how americans will actually vote? >> listen, there are significant developments in donald trump's legal troubles today. a lot is percolating right now. here are just some of the headlines in the course of just a few hours. this is from cnn politics exclusive. trump considers allowing federal investigators to search mar-a-lago again, and then also a federal judge says that trump signed legal documents that he knew he included false voter fraud numbers. >> also, you got trump appearing for a deposition in the e jean carol lawsuit, and then in 2021

there's video where trump is apparently asking, quote, is this a good jewish character right here? alisyn, you think about all the different things that are focusing on this former president, it's almost impossible to not think about him around this time. but the question is really going to be how people perceive all of this. is it sort of coincidental that's accumulating right now, or is it strategic in some way? >> or is it just coming to a head because there are so many legal threads that have been out there for several months. the e. jean carroll one was launched in 2019 and he had delayed and delayed, and now finally the judge said no more delay tactics. >> even with the mar-a-lago issue, i mean, it's not as if it just popped up. when we heard about the search warrant being compexecuted, it 18 months in the making. i'm curious how people view it because the doj are hands off from the labor day weekend on. but a lot to talk about today with our politicize commentators

maria cardona, two davids for the price of one. >> we'll both answer. >> you're both very pretty. it's wonderful. thank you for joining 1400. -- joining the show. >> here's my first question. a lot percolating. let's try to narrow it down right now. the e. jean carroll deposition happened today. we don't know at all what donald trump said or if he pleaded the fifth, we have no idea what happened there. and then there's a federal judge who basically says that donald trump made false statements about he knew that there wasn't the amount of fraud, and he said it in court. that sounds serious, david. do we know of all of these different things percolating, which that see most legal jeopardy. >> sticking with the '80s theme, we would be calling studley. in terms of this judge's opinion coming forth today, here's the thing, alisyn. there's a difference between

staying something on the campaign trail, saying something in the white house briefing room, and saying something to a court, to a judge in a legal filing. and this judge is basically saying, look, whatever else you said or are saying in front of the cameras, when you talk to the court, you must be truthful. now, whether or not it's found that the president was speaking knowingly falsely or he was just touting his normal election denialism remains to be seen and remains to be seen if this can be proven in court, but that is what is at stake. there's a different standard between court documents and just, hey, i'm on television talking. >> you got the court of the law where you have this duty of cardin, as they call it. then you got the court of public opinion. maybe you have the court of the electorate. you're laughing because it intersects all undersat once an of the allegation all the lying

to the camera is totally different. but in the views of the voters, i wonder how you two come out on this. is this something that's really going to persuade or have any impact? >> i'm sure maria and i will completely agree on everything, right? here's what i say about this trump stuff. it is the democrats' biggest dream to keep talking about donald trump ask not about the economy or inflation, not about any issues, right? if we throw enough donald trump up in the air, maybe voters weren't notice we're doing a bad job and they won't kick us out. that's what's going on right now. if it weren't true, you'd see more people saying we don't want to talk about trump, let's talk about the job we're doing for the american people, the issues, let's focus on those things. if you had something to talk about, that's what you talk about. you're a lawyer. if you don't have the facts, you pound the table, right? they're pounding the table here is what they're doing. i get it. >> two places where my dear friend david is wrong. number one -- >> only two? >> for now. number one, he says they're

throwing trump into the mix. we're not doing anything. this is the judge. this is the gazillion number of investigations that are going on around trump's illegality. that is not of our doing. that is of trump's doing. that's number one. the second thing is, if you go out on the campaign trail and you look at what the democratic candidates are talking about, they are not talking about trump. they are talking about these issues. but what i do think after this does and, frankly, i think it is baked into both sides of whether you're a trump supporter, none of this is going to matter. but where i do think it matters is there were several polls in the last month that said threats to democracy were a priority issue for these voters. so the more that trump is in the headlines, the more that we see he's being deposed, the more that we see a judge talking about how he knew this was fraud, we all know he knew it was fraud, but the fact that a judge says it is going to bring to mind and have top of mind for all of these voters how they

kicked him out in 2020 and they don't want that kind of chaos, and so many of the candidates that are running now are trump acolytes, election deniers, and they will get the same thing if they are vote into office. >> i want to hear your comment, but the thing about it is it's not first time that the american electorate has heard a judge say there's no there there. there's no beef, where is it and all these things related to election deniers. "the new york times" maybe had a poll that came out today or yesterday about the idea of, look, it might be a known quantity that people believe our democracy is in peril, but do they prioritize it over the election, the economy? they prioritize it over, say, abortion, do they? >> the study is from pew in august. the issues at the top are things like economy, guns, crime, health care, voting, education. democracy is in the mix, voting rights is in the mix, abortion

is in the mix, but they're not at the top of the list. >> and that's august. all the recent stuff shows it's the economy, kitchen table issues, inflation, crime, the things that people -- yeah. >> it makes sense, except that i have a voter panel coming up in the next block. they all mention democracy. maybe i know the as important to the kitchen table, but they feel it and all bring it up. >> thank you, alisyn. >> because voters are actually smart. when people say voters only care about inflation, they only care about the economy, you're dismissing the intelligence of the voting population in this country. we are able to hold more than one issue in our heads and we are able to go into the voting booth and prioritize. it doesn't mean you're dismissing every single other issue because you only care about the economy. but you are going to think about this person that i'm vote for, what is this going to mean for the future of our democracy, and that means the world

specifically in these swing districts, in the senate seats, because people understand how important that is. >> secretary of state. >> secretaries of state, exactly. >> alisyn, having the pulse, really, of what the nation is thinking about, but interestingly enough david, it is true that it can be -- can anything really get done unless democracy is really prioritized? >> i'm not saying -- i've seen poll after poll that americans on both sides of the aisle are fearful of where we are as a nation, right? you have stacey abrams in georgia saying basically the flip side of what a lot of republicans are saying. we don't trust our elections anymore. we don't trust the polls. we don't trust these things. if we break down as a country and don't trust elections to be truthful and faithful, then democracy is in trouble. >> that's right. >> that's what everybody should be concerned about whether you're a democrat or republican. >> you're right. >> and it shows up amongst republicans as well as democrats

on the left and the right. so >> that's true. >> but there's only one party that focuses on election denial. >> hold on. >> wait, i want to hear a lot of people. david, what was your point? >> i think your point is fair, but i think you have to put the lion's share on president trump for stoking so much distrust in the 2020 results. it's one thing to question them, it's one thing to pursue your legal case, it's another thing two years later to say this whole thing was -- >> ask me if i thought donald trump won or lost in 2020. >> okay. do you think donald trump won or lost in 2020? >> he lost. >> you knew, yeah. >> but my point is, most people deal in reality. there are a subsection of people who don't. >> a big section. >> our friend stacey abrams in georgia alleges a lot of voter fraud. >> she conceded her race.

>> but she throws up smoke and doesn't say it wasn't fair. >> you can't really compare that. >> i'm comparing, why not? >> you can't compare that to a president who instigated a coup. >> is she making them feel better about the election? >> she's making not just her followers but georgia voters understanding the importance of having their vote counted. >> i'm not sure that's what she's saying. i think she's saying people are disenfranchised. more people voted in the last election in georgia. >> when you have rules that keeps people from voting, that called disenfranchisement. >> i'm dealing if facts here. more people voted -- >> as am i. >> let me finish. more people voted in the last election in georgia than ever in the history of georgia. >> you're right. that's exactly right. >> so stacey abrams -- show if proof. >> just because more people voted, david -- no. it doesn't mean that they're disenfranchised. it means that, for example, me as a latina voter, if i believe

i'm going to go to the polls and they ask me for my i.d. and i don't have one, i'm going to make sure that i have my i.d. that means people are trying harder than ever to prove to the powers that be that it's not that easy to take their vote. >> i still don't understand your vote. >> let me explain it again. if there are rules that are being put in place to make it harder for a -- >> how is it harder? >> for a section of voters to vote and they know that, that means they're going to try everything they can -- >> excuse me, wait. you guys, everyone -- >> to ensure -- >> everyone wants to hear from you. let's make sure i can hear you. david? >> is that clearer? >> i understand the point. you're saying you shouldn't need an i.d. to vote? >> no. what i'm saying the harder that legislators, let's talk about georgia because there's no question that brian kemp has tried to make it as hard as possible for people to vote. >> by doing what?

>> by requiring an i.d., by requiring -- >> so you shouldn't have an i.d. to vote? >> by making less places available to go vote. by the way, here in washington, d.c., you don't need an i.d. has there been massive voter fraud? no. >> how do you know that? >> because these have been the safest elections we've had. >> listen, we can disagree. >> absolutely. >> i think you need an i.d. to vote. >> do you have a point here? >> if you have a -- you can talk about georgia and leader abrams. if you have a situation like we do now where a big chunk of one party, the republican party -- hold on. david i love you, but let me get this one point out. if you have a big chunk of one party in a two-party system that is unwilling to accept that it

can lose a national election, then a two-party system ceases. >> i disagree with you on the big chunk. there is a chunk of the republican party, i can't measure it or tell you. i would disagree with the big chunk park. >> it's a majority right now. >> i'm not sure it's a majority of the party. >> show me the numbers. >> i will. >> i take that challenge. >> so how are voters in battleground states feeling about the midterms? up next, we sit down with a group of voters about what issues will drive them-to-polls. our pulse of the people, up next. and our techno wizardry calculates your car's value and gives you a real offer in seconds we'll come to you pay you on the spot ththen pick up your car that's it at carvana vicks vapostick.

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we're less than three weeks away from the critical midterm elections, and we wanted to check in with voters in battleground straits to see wh -- states to see what's at the top of their minds in arizona, pennsylvania, and nevada. these voters do not fall within neat party lines. in fact, some plan to vote for the opposing candidate because they think their own party's candidate is too extreme. here now, our pulse on the people. in a couple of sentences, if you could tell me what you think the top issue in the country is

right now. >> for me, one of the top issues is school security. i have two daughters who are in school right now, and that is a big focus of mine. being a former captain in the united states army, it's very prevalent for me to make sure that my daughters are safe because that's what i fought for. >> as a college student in philadelphia in an area where covid has risen substantially, i'm especially concerned about being able to feel safe on campus, being able to go from class to class. >> what kind of crimes are you seeing more of? >> a lot more robberies with weapons on campus. we get the text alerts every single time it occurs and across the city of philadelphia. >> we have a lot of people desperate in the economy. i see that when a lot of crime is coming out, people are breaking into stores, they're assaulting people. i open carry. i conceal carry in a grocery not because i hate people, it's because i love my children and i want to protect myself and my kids. >> show of hands, how many of

you will on some level be voting on crime or feel that crime is a big issue in your life. okay. so three of you feel that crime is a big issue and you all happen to be the three republicans on our panel. and so my question for the three democrats who didn't raise their hand for crime being one of their top issues, why not? >> living in nevada, i was in a role that i was leading part of the crisis response for the october october massacre in las vegas. i'm also a democrat and a gun owner. so there's aspects to, again, this definition of crime is a much bigger picture. there's a lot of subtopics and issues that fall under crime, i think, that we look at. >> one of the issues of why there's increased crime is we have such an incredible access to weaponry. a few years ago i was involved with a shooting at a big-box retailer, and we could hear

gunshots, we could hear people moaning. we had no idea if one of our fellow coworkers was down. once we were cleared by police, we actually had to walk through the victims' blood on the floor. i mean, it was just a traumatic experience. it's something that is permeating at every grocery store, movie theater, so many private and public aspects of our life are affected by violence, and i think that's really the issue is what's going on with our society and how can we have a real conversation about being safe. >> that's what i was going to say, amy. we're on the same page with that. until we have people willing tong to the table and have credible solutions on this issue, i don't think we'll go very far. >> let's talk about the economy. show of hands. how many of you think that the economy is what most people will be voting on in the midterms? two of you, okay.

>> i see what's in my wallet and it affects me every single day if i'm going to buy milk or eggs. seeing the gas prices here in nevada are skyrocketing, and there's no reason. we have a biden administration and a frankly reserve pumping money into the system and it's causing inflation. >> on college campuses everywhere, but particularly my own, you can see the anxiety brewing over economic decisions that students have to make every day, buying textbooks, paying for clollege, rent on off-campu apartments. >> if we're talking about the high cost of education, wage stagnation, health care expenses and can't afford medications, these are the issues the democratic candidates are talking about. >> let's talk about abortion. how many of you, show of hands, think that abortion will be a top issue during these midterms? okay, so four of you. >> i will tell you, as a male, i

do not believe it is my place nor should it be any male's place to tell a female what she can and cannot do with her body. i have friends that have been raped, i have friends that have been abused. what frustrates me even more is we sit and listen to supreme court nominees who go through the confirmation process to say things such as roe v. wade has been codified. >> you need to be the spokesperson for women's rights. you're exactly right. the woman should have the right to do what she will with her body like men do. you don't see women trying to create laws that would prevent men from getting vasectomies or doing whatever it is they choose to do with their bodies. >> abortion just simply isn't a hot topic in nevada. it's not on the ballot. right here in nevada you can have an abortion up to 24 weeks, so it really doesn't -- it's a

really huge democratic talking point. abortions are being used as birth control. that's not okay. >> do we even have the right to presume why a woman may need an abortion? maybe it's rape or incest. maybe she's developed cancer. i was very late along in a pregnancy with my young daughter and found that i had abnormal cells. thank god i was able to make it through that pregnancy and that procedure was able to take place after i was able to successfully deliver. it's really a private matter and a medical decision that should only be happening with a doctor, and the federal government or a politician is the last person on earth i would want in that room with me making that decision. >> chloe, as a gen z college student, i want your opinion. >> the abortion issue is why i'm not voting for mastriano. >> just to be clear, you're in pennsylvania and you consider yourself a republican, but you're not going to vote for the republican candidate, mastriano, for governor?

>> no, and, frankly, it's really discouraging that he's made ending and restricting abortion his number one issue. the way that he describes it seems as if it is a siege on women. i would like to think that's not the national dialogue, but mastriano's rhetoric and the way that he's approaching it is really problematic for republicans and democrats alike, and i would like to see more moderate republicans who have solutions that do respect a woman's bodily autonomy. >> what do you think the herschel walker abortion claims -- what do you think that's doing to the race and does that matter to you? >> herschel walker. i'm going to sigh on that one for a second. i don't agree with pretty much anything that he says. he is a man who has shown extensively that he has done

some extraordinary, ruthless things to his family members, especially his ex-wife and, you know, choking her until she's passed out. i mean, he's just -- he's a violent man. >> so though you are a republican, you would vote for rafael warnock, his opponent who's a democrat? >> probably so. i'm just so overwhelmed by what he has done that it really bothers me that he has the nerve and audacity to be on this ballot. i said it. >> they're always so interesting. i learn so much every time, laura , from talking to these voters. they give me an entirely different perspective. it was interesting for me to hear -- the three republicans think crime is the number one issue. the three democrats, and i guess i left this on the cutting room floor for tomorrow, you'll have to tune in, think it's democracy, that that was the number one thing they can say. we'll talk about that in part 2. >> what i found fascinating was

you keep reading op-eds about ticket splitting and people saying, look, i'm not just going to vote for whoever is in my party. i want to vote for the issues. and that is a bit of a change. we're so used to and co red sta. but purple, i'm going to vote for the issues i believe in and those who are in line with that, okay. the fact that that's a foreign concept to us these days is fascinating. >> and also people don't fit in narrow boxes. >> pigeonhole is gone. >> we'll talk more about this. we just heard voters' take on crime, abortion, the economy, how does that translate to who comes out in the midterms is next.

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as you just heard, crime, the economy, abortion, and democracy as you'll hear tomorrow, the top issues that voters in battleground states tell us they're focusing on for the midterms. we're back with maria cardona, david urban, and david. one of the things was that the that was fascinating was the three democrats said that democracy and human rights were what they were voting on. the three republicans said crime right away. turns out in the conversation that two of the democrats were in mass shootings. they were -- they were somehow involved in mass shootings. and so they're traumatized, but they didn't see crime as number one because basically they think crime is so complicated. is it about access to weapons,

poverty, people feeling desperate, so they just labeled it differently. >> i love that conversation that you had because it shows another depth to the issue of crime that i don't think is being measured by all of these polls and the assumption that when people say crime, they mean the kind of crime that republicans are pushing that is bad bfor democrats. i talked to so many democrats who said the issue of crime is top of mind for me because there are so many guns on the street and republicans want to do nothing to try to curtail the number of guns on the street, and that goes to the issue of gun safety. if that's how you call crime, that issue in that way, that's going to turn for democrats. >> that's why it's called the poll-er coaster because you can find a question that leads a horse to water and makes them drink. you had to really unpack that. remember that old book "women are from venus, men are from

mars"? if people use the same basic language of understanding and knew what each other was talking about, we would have more agreement on these issues. >> i think that was a really good panel. it's hard to put people in a box anymore. we've been through the obama years, the trump years, the pandemic lockdown. people have had time to really think about these things. that's why i think what really will determine what happens in november is which party can drive their message in the way they want to drive it so when voters go into that booth, they're thicke what the party wanted them to think as opposed to just being left with their own impressions. on the one hand, i think president trump is a little bit of an anchor on republicans. i don't think there's going to be a shellacking like 2010 that obama took. i don't know if democrats will hold on to congress. democrats are having a problem accent waiting the positive. they're playing a lot of good defense, but i don't know they can always tout it. >> democrats are going to get

shellacked based on the current trends. >> what does that look like? >> what do you mean? >> i think they're going to lose the house by 20 plus seats. >> okay. >> and i think in the current situation -- for a while it was ebb and flow. i think 20 to 30 seats in the house, safe, and republicans will win the senate. we'll have a runoff again in georgia probably, and i think herschel walker will come out on top there. and i think republicans control the senate. david, to your point, it's about voter enthusiasm. it's not about the messaging. who's going to show up on election day, right? earlier on the network i saw bernie sanders on saying i'm going to go out and get people fired up because the democratic base just isn't excited. >> that's not true, though. >> maria -- >> poll after poll you see that's not true. >> maybe bernie sanders is wrong. >> let me just say this. bernie sanders has been wrong before, but i like that he's going out there and making sure that people understand how important this election is. i think you're wrong. i think that democrats have a very good chance of keeping the

senate. >> what do you think about the house? >> if we lose the house, it'll be 10 to 15. now, there's a lot of time still from now until election day, anything can happen. but right now here's what we're seeing. all of these national polls i don't think that they are measuring the phenomenal, incredible mobilization and energy that you see everywhere, most everywhere on this issue of abortion. >> let's talk about voting. >> in georgia -- yes, there's record numbers. >> part of early voting for strategists is to gauge the enthusiasm. >> correct. >> but who votes early? >> i want to address it. people who want to have their vote counted. but the thing is -- historically it's been democrats. >> my point is, i wonder with the ticket splitting and the idea there's no more pigeonholing and how you think about how to project a trajectory, does that factor into your points?

how do you anticipate success? >> i think that's right. i actually think more republicans are going to do ticket-splitting than democrats. it doesn't mean democrats won't. but, in fact, if we take your panel, there were two republicans saying they weren't going to vote for the republican candidate. >> they weren't particularly extreme candidates. >> frankly, across the board what you see in terms of the extremism, it mostly exists on the republican side. in terms of trying to gauge what's going to happen, what democrats are looking at is not just these polls, but they're looking at enthusiasm on the ground. and i've talked to many campaigns, both congressional campaigns as well as senate campaigns, and they are saying that their thenthusiasm is off e charts. georgia has record numbers. >> i'm seeing knit pennsylvania and other places. >> i am too. >> ticket-splitting, i believe that's going to occur. josh shapiro will win as

governor of pennsylvania and mehmet oz will be the senator. i believe there's going to be these races that you're going to look at and say that's very curious, i'd never pick that in a million years because candidates do matter. mark kelly -- a lot of arizonans think he's a moderate guy but masters hasn't made the case, kari lake, on the other hand, you would say by all accounts is pretty far out there, but i think she still wins. you know, these candidates matter. brian kemp will win by a big margin in georgia and maybe he has enough to carry herschel across the finish line. candidates do matter. >> candidates do matter. >> you heard young woman from college. >> if only we had a magic 8 ball to shake. >> it's called election day. >> everyone stick around. it's an obvious thing to say that no one likes making mistakes. maybe david, who just got a lot of predictions, i wonder if he has a mistake ahead of him. i don't know.

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that create toxic smoke. that's why calfire firefighters, the american lung association, and the coalition for clean air support prop 30. naomi: i'm voting yes on 30. so here's a question for you. do you consider yourself a perfectionist? if so, you may want to lower your standards because according to a new piece in "the washington post," the persistent push to be flawless can lead to negative effects on your mental health, including low self-worth, anxiety, depression, and even suicidality. to counter this pursuit of perfection, psychologists are saying an alternative is excellence-ism. back with our panel. >> we might need a new word. >> listen, i was wrong.

alisyn can correct me. i am not perfect. >> yes, you're right, you have nothing perfect, even on this show thus far, david. 66% of republicans do not believe biden is the legitimate president. that's not a small percentage. >> i was wrong. i was wrong, i was wrong. correct me. i'm working for excellent-ism. >> i have never been burden bid perfectionism at all. i am not burdened by excellence-ism. i practice good-enough-ism and it works like a charm. you just have to be good enough, show up. sometimes i'm invited to speak to women's groups about how to balance motherhood and work/life, and women talk about this thing called mommy guilt. they feel so bad if they didn't do something perfect for their kids. i'm like, time-out. are you giving them three square meals a day? do they have a roof over their

head? do you love them? you're good. it's good enough. >> i agree with you. >> i don't hear anything about social media because that drives a lot of insecurity in people, in teens. >> instagram pictures. >> especially for young people. >> they see the lodge they don't have. you see fabulous cars and boats, jets. >> it's all a mirage anyway. >> it's fake. >> i like excellence-ism. i didn't make up the word, but i do think there's also a certain amount of luxury in being able to be less than perfect. not everyone gets. the standards can be very high. but i'll say that i think my competition is me yesterday. >> yeah. >> but i do give myself more grace as a mom, especially in the pandemic because it was 24/7 attached. i think there's something to having standards for yourself to pursue excellence.

>> i agree, but i also only compete with myself. you're just in a better position because then why are we striving for perfection. >> i completely agree with you except for -- when i do a lot of speeches to young latinas, for example, i do tell them to be better than the person that they are competing against. that's not just themselves because they are competing against white men, sorry, sorry, and they have to be better, not just better than them a little bit better, they have to be twice as good. >> is that too much stress for their mental health? >> it might be. >> it depends. >> it depends, exactly. it depends on the person, how driven they are. that's how i grew up. that's how i got through school. that's how i got through and did my political career and have the privilege of being here with this table with you all because i feel like i have to be incredibly prepared. but, to your point about being a mom, when i had children, i did

say to myself, okay, i can't do everything and be everything at the same time. >> not at all. >> i had a wonderful husband, have a wonderful husband. he helped me and i couldn't have done it without him. but i also said to myself, i'm going to sleep when they sleep. i don't care if the house is messy. >> yes. >> because i can't be good if they're sick, right? >> i don't think there's anything wrong with trying to be a better version of yourself. >> agreed. >> everybody wants to improve, but i believe you're bombarded by the media nonstop, 24/7 with messages that say you're not good enough, thin enough, your skin is not great enough, your hair is not shiny enough. >> why are you looking at me? >> i was looking at my monitor. you're bombarded nonstop, whether it's print or social media. that leads to a lot of insecurities in people. >> i like the way you put that. you're competing against yourself yesterday. i think this concept of excellence-ism makes sense, but i also think it's a bit of a

rebrand. you say good many of enough-ism or okay-ism. don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. >> right. >> quiet quitting is today's version of phoning it in, whatever. fine. >> by the way, we actually do practice this with our kids. how many times have we said to our kids, just do your best. you're not telling them -- i guess there are parents who say you have to be the best. >> i thought you told the kids to be best. >> i told them. >> all right. >> try to do your best because really, that's all you can ask from people. >> i remember it was always a factor of the government and prosecutors in particular were expected to be perfect. there was never the time or resources to be. >> it's exhausting. >> i'm here, aren't i? on the same token, i see the benefits for mental health. it's all on the individual person. if you feel as though you are

striving for somebody else's definition of perfect, you're in a world of trouble. >> zero defects in the workplace is not sustainable. >> we learned that in the pandemic if nothing else. >> what do you think about this? are you a perfectionist? has the drive for perfection ever impacted your life. let us know what you think and anything else you want to say to us about what we're talking about tonight. tweet us. i'm alisyn camerota and the laura coates. >> you are. >> i'll go by that soon.

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vermont's republican governor, phil scott, was asked at a

debate last night what he does to lower his four carbon footprint. as you will hear, he's really embracing this. >> please name one individual action you have taken to lower your own carbon footprint, governor scott. >> whether it's the electrical vehicle for our state security that drives me around, but also i leave that, i recycle, i have solar panel, i have -- to do everything. we keep our heat down to 58. we do everything. >> 58 degrees! that is going above and beyond the call of environmental consciousness. >> alisyn, in my house, it's constant battle. my husband and i -- i think 74 degrees is right. 74 degrees and he's like, woman, it is 67, and go get a sweater. no, it's -- >> can he see his breath indoors? >> that's in minnesota, mind

you. my husband when, i brushing my teeth, will turn off the water. -- >> but that's the age old marital bit of the husband always wants the room cold, or the wife once it warmer. i like a good 72 but i'm willing to settle for 71. but can you imagine living on 58 degrees? >> -- the hot flashes are real, so maybe it would help me at night to sleep. but i would be so cold. you know what, the solar panels he mentioned, electric collars -- the point is, every little thing will help. >> yeah. >> and it's hard when you are a parent, and -- >> oh, no, he's leaning in. he's leaning in. and i think the policy reflects that as well. i know he didn't vote for some big environmental thing recently but that's because he said that they were not giving him -- the state legislature had not given him the cost of it. but i think he's walking the walk, particularly, if he's making his family live with 58 degrees. we couldn't be married. >> thank you.

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>> there's a new sign tonight that americans are energized about the midterms. almost 4 million americans have actually already voted. -- it is, with 2018. that was the highest turnout for a midterm election in decades, according to catalyst data. >> so, with less than three weeks until votes are counted, our colleagues, crunching the numbers, say republicans are getting momentum. if the gop takes back congress, the country could look and feel very different in a few months. here to discuss, we have mark sanford, former republican governor of south carolina, john lawrence, former chief of staff for speaker nancy pelosi. and robert draper, author of the new book, weapons of mass delusion, when the republican party lost its mind. gentlemen,