>> there's a new sign tonight that americans are energized about the midterms. almost 4 million americans have actually already voted. -- it is, with 2018. that was the highest turnout for a midterm election in decades, according to catalyst data. >> so, with less than three weeks until votes are counted, our colleagues, crunching the numbers, say republicans are getting momentum. if the gop takes back congress, the country could look and feel very different in a few months. here to discuss, we have mark sanford, former republican governor of south carolina, john lawrence, former chief of staff for speaker nancy pelosi. and robert draper, author of the new book, weapons of mass delusion, when the republican party lost its mind. gentlemen, thanks so much for

being here, great to have you in studio. robert, you talk about this in your book. can you paint a picture for us? what will it look like? what will happen for the next two years in this country if the republicans win back congress? >> the first things that will happen is that marjorie taylor greene told me, there's going to be a lot of investigation. so, you can expect the gop to take a kind of punitive form. it will be a party of payback. they will be stripping people of their committee assignments to weigh marjorie taylor greene and paul gosar were. they there will certainly be articles of impeachment advanced -- >> -- >> against biden, yeah, and perhaps some of his cabinet members. i think what will be more interesting is to see how the republicans deal with the debt ceiling and whether they will try to use social wedge issues attached to the debt ceiling to attract certain concessions from the president. kevin mccarthy did that of course when he was majority within 2011 and it seems very likely we will see some version of that again. >> john, it's almost like --

you both have new books at, thanks very much -- arc of power, we talk about the speakership of nancy pelosi. you have seen this ebb and flow in the way the government operates. sometimes a democrat, sometimes republican are in the majority. i do wonder, -- payback mentality, i mean, retaliatory actions can be a platform. can it? >> no, i mean ultimately, you are going to be judged on whether or not you are able to advance your legislative agenda. republicans have put out something called a commitment to america. it is a little thin. what is interesting about it is, unlike the six row six that pelosi did in 2006, those issues were picked, because when i came up on the floor, that would be bipartisan. the issues in commitment to america are not designed to be heavily focused on oversight and investigation. but now in the beginning, mccarthy is talking about, maybe cuts in social security, cuts in medicare as part of the condition for passing the debt ceiling. that kind of stuff maybe pushed

by this extreme group that he could find himself, the speaker, leading. but it's not clear to me that there's public support for this. >> governor, who wins, though, in this? if it's the party of payback, that is not a platform -- or is it -- a winning message? do you think there's an appetite among american voters today to say, look, it is our time to be back in the majority if you are republican and we're going to stick it to them? >> let's separate policy from politics for one second. not that you can in washington d.c.. but what i would say is, sadly, as a fiscal conservative, there's going to be little change in washington on the things that matter to me in terms of spending. if you look at, again, the sort of miniature contract with america, it is very thin, to your point, john, on details, and on anything that would actually limit government. so, it's more here, a little bit more they, are different constituencies perhaps, but there is not -- for instance, earmarks came back in this congress. they are not disappearing in

the next one. there is no push on that. you don't see that on the contract. there is no real push with regard to streamline a government. there was talked about, in the contract with america, that i was a part of back in 1994. so i think that the washington machine is going to continue to run on. we can talk about big change. i think where you will see change, to robert's point, is with some of the investigations. i think it will be payback. but i think ultimately, even that will be driven in a political sense by who is at the top of the ticket. if trump is still around and biden is still around, investigations does your. -- it's not to their political advantage to do so. >> in your new book you talk about mccarthy. that might be a change, of course, if republicans are the ones who are in the majority. i don't know if it's a foregone conclusion that kevin mccarthy's leader, speaker of the house. but you have a quote in the book and talking about this idea that, you know, this elaborate show of establishing policy focused task forces as an on ramp to be elected to the

governing party in congress after the elections. but the idea of the parties energy is focused on bloodlust and who will be the next speaker, kevin mccarthy. talk about it. >> yes, for one thing, you are referencing, laura, these policy groups that were set up by mccarthy. but a lot of people did not even attend them. some of them never even actually convened. so, it was for show. it was for a way of suggesting that we are seriously focused on policy. but to mark's point, for example, the maga wing of the republican party is really the center of gravity right now. and they are not fixated on controlling deficit spending, for example. they are not fixated on the national debt. instead, their focused on things like sealing off the board, a critical race theory, and the various and sundry other social wedge issues. mccarthy is very attuned to that. and while i think that he certainly has established members of the republican party who would like to see our fiscal house in order, as they say, taking care of, he is

going to be dealing night and day with the maga wing of the party. it is far more focused on these. >> and just one more thing from your book. it sounds like marjorie taylor greene will also have more of a starring role. there is something from your book. you say that she said -- you, i guess, posed this question to her. >> right. >> and she says to you, i think to be the best speaker of the house, and to please the base, he's going to give me a lot more power and a lot of leeway, she predicted. >> right, that sounds like bravado but i think there's truth to it. not because kevin mccarthy wants to do her any favors but because, once again, he recognizes that the trumpist wing of the republican party is the loudest voice in the room and that she is the proximate disciple or person who represents trumpism. so, if mccarthy does not do that, green predicts, i think, not without cause, that there is going to be hacked to pay for him. >> -- speaker of the house, nancy pelosi, in your time on capitol hill. i'm just wondering, do you think it is a foregone

conclusion that, if republicans are to reclaim the majority in the house, is kevin mccarthy the top of the list? >> i think, as with all leadership elections, it's going to be depending on who is elected. we don't know with the composition of that caucus is going to be and we don't know with them demands are going to be made by the marjorie taylor greene's and others of this new speaker. in my book, arc of power, i talked about running into john boehner, a couple of weeks after the election in 2010 when he took over as speaker. and i congratulated him and he said to me, john, in six months, i will be more popular in your caucus than i am in my own. point being, he knew he was going to become speaker because he had this huge infusion of two party members who saw him as much of a problem as they saw nancy pelosi. i think those people look like james madison compared to a lot of the folks who are going to show up here in the next few months. and those are the people that a speaker mccarthy would have to go to to pass a continuing

resolution to keep the government open to pass a deep ceiling, to keep the government from reneging on its debts. and when those votes came up in 2011 and 2012, the way that they passed was with democratic votes. they never got more than 179 republicans. >> well, one person who seems to have confidence that these things will be sorted out his former vice president mike pence. he spoke at georgetown university tonight and he was asked if he would vote for donald trump. so, let's listen to that. >> mr. pence, if donald trump is the republican nominee in 2024, will you vote for him? [laughs] >> well, there might be somebody else i would prefer more. when i can tell you is, i have every confidence that the republican party is going to sort out leadership. oh my focus has been on the midterm elections and it will stay that way for the next 20 days. but after that, we will be thinking about the future, hours and the nations and i will keep you posted, okay?

>> i didn't hear a yes or no. did you? >> i heard no. [laughs] >> i saw a cheshire grin. what did you hear there? >> the art of evasion. yet again, we see that you cannot run against trump. it's clear that pence does not want trump but he really cannot say so. to say so is to defy the maga base and to invite the wrath of trump. >> oh, self malaysian. >> totally. >> to say enough -- i just thought his smile there, his sort of smirk of -- >> it is remarkable, to a guy who stood adoringly, looking up at president trump, at press conference after press conference after press conference, to be where he is now. >> yeah. >> true, but that is before the gallows -- >> yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> -- all right, john. >> thank you, all up next. the washington post doing a major analysis of tiktok videos

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>> well the social media platform tiktok is playing a very big role when it comes to hot button issues, like abortion. that according to new analysis from the washington post. more than 1000 viral tiktoks using the taj tag abortion, the post came with two gigantic conclusions. one, abortion rights posts get more views than antiabortion posts, and number two, tiktok is almost --

designed to maybe further divide us politically. for more i want to bring in one of the reporters behind the story, washington post data columnist david eviler. david, thank you for being here. , i said to myself, laura, you are lung young enough to know tiktok still. i had to come for myself in that. one part of it was, what did actually stand for it knowing how much we have these media silos and how much we have people turned into tiktok for information and advocacy. tell me what you find in the study. >> right. we scraped the thousand sort of viral most engage with tiktok videos we could find that were about abortion, and we found a couple of things. we found that, for years, these tiktok users have an audience that is primarily gen z, primarily millennials. they have been following the ups and downs of this debate, and you see a spike in viral videos whenever you see a major abortion restriction is passed,

or when roe fell in the supreme court. so, you see that dynamic but you also see a situation where the side sort of have different tactics that balkanize. you have on the right, sort of co-life creators, who preach to the choir. and on the left you have creators who will grab clips from the creators on the right and then dunk on them and debate and so forth. so, you have the silo dynamics exactly what you are talking about. >> i want to play for the audience a bit of what we are talking about. there is one where there is -- somebody who is opposing abortion rights -- and i'm going to play the flip side, the opponent of them, dealing with the opposition, here it is. >> there is no such thing as my body, my choice when it comes to being pregnant. it is no longer just your body. it is three parties. it is your body, the child's body, with its own dna, and the father. >> -- new york city, asking people their thoughts on abortion. >> do you know who you are interviewing? >> i'm alexander sanger, i'm

the former president of planned parenthood new york. my grandmother was margaret sanger, who founded planned parenthood. you cannot make abortion going away by criminalizing it. all you do is you make it unsafe. >> first of, all on the latter one, talk about a man on the street, the happenstance, perhaps, of that particular person. but the weight of these videos being increasingly viral, it's actually wraparound images of celebrities like kim kardashian in the like, even though it's not about what she is saying, which is using the image to get people in -- i wonder, when did you first notice that this hashtag was getting all this traction on tiktok in general? >> yeah. we started thinking about this story before the dobbs decision, before roe v. wade was overturned, just over the summer as these laws were being passed in various red states, that were sort of pushing the boundaries on abortion rights. and we found that there were

these spikes, there were these moments of virality that were just different than what you saw on other media. and it is different, because tiktok is a ground up media. anyone with a phone can make a video. you can have a man on the street interview, you can have a personal testimonial, you can have sort of a linear point by point argument. it's an everything goes medium. so, yeah, we started noticing just when the events turned that way and we started scraping these videos. >> everything goes, including misinformation, i presume, at times. >> yeah. just the volume of content on that platform is so high. i cannot think of a way that it would be humanly possible to regulate every single thing. so, when we were going through some of those top posts, we saw things that, you know, a medical doctor might say, oh, well, that's not quite right, in terms of the facts about abortion. or, oh, well, this image, and the way that it is done, miss countries this, that, or the

other -- and yeah, misinformation can thrive on these platforms, because i don't know how anyone can regulate the whole thing. >> david byler, thank you so much. >> thanks. >> i don't like this one bit. i don't like it one bit. >> which one, the tick or the top? [laughs] >> all of it! i >> like tiktok for dancing with my kids, i like that. part but i don't like people going there as their source of information, as you just bought up, there is misinformation, it's not a reliable source of information. and the fact that this is where people are going to get information on something as important as abortion, let's bring back to our panel, mark sanford is with us. also, we want to bring in cnn political commentator karen finney, a board member of ultraviolet, which promotes -- >> robert, what's happening is these influencers on social media, are now as influential as reliable journalistic sources.

>> that's right. a couple things are play here. one is, tiktok represents the apotheosis of social media, which is really not intended to persuade. it's intended to intensify, it's intended to harden pre-existing notions. but to rely on tiktok as an information source, invites the possibility, as we've seen with some of these, where antiabortion tiktoks will say that the morning after pill is tantamount to baby killing. this is nuts. i think that the story does engage in a little bit of what is to me like both sides of, like the probe ocean the -- use profanity and stuff to make this more emotional issue. wish you it is an emotional issue. this is about a woman's body and for those people that believe that life begins at conception, it certainly emotional for them. so, i don't think that that's inappropriate. i do think that using it as an information source is a bit dubious. >> it seems to me it's less, about, like he said, more about persuasion and more about emotion and giving it out. i think particularly what we

saw with after the overturning of roe v. wade was just the outpouring of shock and grief that -- we think about this, ladies -- they have more rights than we do. in this moment in the united states of america -- the shock of that is a lot of what i thought, until the top, and it's about more than abortion, it's about freedom, and the idea, particularly for a lot of young, people that they don't have that right anymore it's an outlet for that emotion. i do wish, though -- i will tell you, i'm also on the board of naral pro-choice america. sharing stories -- i think we've all seen this. the horror story since the fall of row, and the dilemmas that women have found themselves in. if there was more of that, and there was less of the silo-ism, where people can actually learn to just listening to what is happening to women and maybe that would be more persuasive than whether someone is yelling at you or dancing out their feelings.

[laughs] i think that would be a little bit more effective. >> i hear you. but i think the problem with this are the metrics of the way that tiktok itself is designed. >> the algorithm? >> right. which is to say, i'm going to give you more of what you believe, and i'm going to give you more of what you believe, and if that is the construct, you never get to that point where you have the debate. >> that's right. and do you think, governor, that people are still persuadable? -- still on the fence? >> i can't -- 25 years of politics, people are on one side of the other, people lock in fairly early. there can be a life altering experience where in people say, wait a minute, i had it wrong, i see it differently now. but that does not happen very often. >> the lock in early parties really fascinating, because who -- demographic that most relies on tiktok. a lot of people -- you are skewing younger. you are talking about maybe first-time voters, so that they are looking at these resources. and maybe that is the caro bowl population of people and that is maybe why it is such a successful medium and also

maybe a dangerously divisive aspect of how we talk about these issues. >> right, though not for nothing to the story conclude that overwhelmingly, the most viral videos were ones on the abortion right side, because that tends to play to a demographic that placed a tiktok. by the way, mark is exactly, right that the algorithms are set up to fiji what it is you want to see. >> and that is really dangerous, having lived through the 2016 election, having the scars to prove it -- i mean, we learned that with facebook, right? that people found themselves in silos, where you were just getting fed more of that red meat and really hardening that partisanship. and that we have fewer places where there is -- let me watch this video and learn something and maybe hear a different perspective. i think that's the danger. and because it's not an american company, we are not going to be able to see the kind of platform accountability measures that we are at least now talking about with facebook,

with instagram, with some of these others, where we are also talking about danger to teenagers. >> i agree. tiktok is shady. i don't mean shady in the sort of vernacular. i mean, we don't have a lot of transparency into it. and that is cause for concern. i'm surprised people don't talk about this more often. who knows what tiktok is really doing to all of our brains? >> that's part of the issue. you talk about -- there's a lot of discussion in social media about accountability and responsibility. often that comes down to, well, who is the onus on? whose job is it to tell you or dictate, look, you don't get to be fed what you want to eat -- or, listen, i want you to hear the opposing position. that is more impactful, more important. maybe it's an instance of, look, that's what i want to see. my netflix algorithm, again, it's something i want to play, what i want to see. hbo max or anything else as well -- [laughs] and still trying to tell me, that's what i want, maybe that's -- >> that's why i'm having such a

hard time with this, and i am so conflicted. that's entertainment, cool. send me whatever shows around comes you think i will like. -- the important thing is this, that it's dividing the country so much. i'm not comfortable with it just being confirmation bias. >> is it subjective what you think is important enough to vote on? that's democracy. >> that's right. and also, news flash, this is how a lot of gen zers get all of the information is by tiktok. and not just on the subject of abortion. and this year profusion, as we were just hearing, of all of these, it's something that makes it a wild west, it's something that makes it utterly ungovernable. but >> going to your point, allen bloomberg wrote a book a long time ago called the closing of the american mind. and it talked about, basically, the dumbing down of some of what we are learning about, which -- aristotle. it was a very different world back then. and this seems to me the opposite -- the full and to that dumbing

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going to be picking up chips and soda or candy at one convenience store chain, and they will be able to add a little something else to their cart. this time, licensed medical we. the circle k announcing it is teaming up with a cannabis company to sell marijuana at ten locations in the state starting next year in 2023. the dispensers will be right next to the existing locations. it's a sign of, really, just how far marijuana legalization has really come. back with us now are mark sanford and karen finney, and cnn political commentator scott jennings, who has promised to be the old funny daddy today -- his words. >> -- conversation -- >> how do you feel about this? it is very mainstream now. >> i guess it depends on what state you are in. but yeah, it does feel like it has become more mainstream, and i feel like we will equally regret it as a country, going down this road. i spent a lot of time trying to tell my kids to have good decisions and have good judgment, and now we will stick

the stuff next to the sleepy machines in the circle k. and i think in 20 years, we will ask ourselves, what were we doing? what were we thinking? >> i think when i first read, i thought it meant, recreational marijuana. and a pot drive-through, that's not a good idea. but i think medical marijuana is in a different category. i don't think -- obviously, that's not for recreational use, it's for pain management. i put that in a different category. but scott, i'm with you -- >> you and me? >> you and i, on this together -- >> i also -- and i'm willing to be persuaded -- but i don't understand the pot renaissance that is happening in this country right. now i didn't like it the first time around, back when it was illegal. >> i don't understand the massive -- >> contact high -- >> who wants to -- honestly -- >> percentage points, look at the gallup all. i want you, responsibilities. -- 68% of people think that

marijuana should be legal. and if you look at the map of where it is legal, i mean, medical marijuana, we are talking about 18 states overall. karen, what do you think? i >> think a couple of things. obviously, once you are at the circle k next to this loopy machine, come on, it's mainstream. come on, you can buy cbd products products in the grocery store now. it's increasingly becoming part of our daily life. we have a lot of veterans he's medical marijuana. it's becoming more ubiquitous in our society. but what i would say is, i think what is going to be interesting in florida, actually, and in some of these other states, is the pressure to follow suit with what president biden did at the federal level and rethink -- because i think people are going to be rethinking, do we really want to be, especially given, we know the statistics, ask an american, three times more likely -- you know, harsher sentencing -- than white americans who are just holding marijuana or maybe selling. is that really who we are as a country, given what that has meant with our criminal justice system? and so i think it's pretty --

the circle k, it pushes that conversation more to the for about what are we really doing? how are we really thinking about whether it is recreational or medicinal? it's also interesting in florida that you have got governor desantis, who is opposed to recreational. he does not like the smell. he is with you. >> yep. >> i would say, walking around new york, you can also walk through a cloud of cigarette smoke and cigar smoke, which i hate, but that's okay. but his opponent is for legalizing marijuana. it's interesting to see if that will play any issue at all in the election. >> governor, if this had been in your state, how would it have played? south carolina? >> i think south carolina is probably not the best day to ask if you are talking about legalization. we would be one of the -- states. but i think in political terms, the dam already broke on this issue. if you look at that chart you just threw up, basically at the halfway mark, we are well past that if you look at -- and whatnot in other states. we are quickly quickly moving to the 40 state mark. i think the dam has broken.

i remember back in -- this is maybe 20 years ago -- there was an article, front page, in national review, written by buckley, saying the war is lost. and we had been fighting that fight for 20 years, and go on to your point on the criminal justice system and a variety of other things that come with the war, it had not work. and so this idea -- >> you mean the war on drugs? >> the war on drugs. the idea of trying something different. and let's give the context here. we are talking about ten stories out of 600 stores that circle k has and we are only talking about medical. i think it's a worthy experiment, not the end of the world. >> i agree with you in terms of, yeah, them edible marijuana. and i would be okay with legalizing marijuana. but i'm okay with legalizing it because alcohol is also dangerous. and we live with it and we have learned how to live with it and you have learned, i guess, how to teach your kids how to manage it. your kids are probably a little too old, right? >> i hope so. >> 13! >> so, i am okay with that. i just think it's interesting

how many people are getting high again. like, how many adults are doing gummies and how many adults are part of this pot renaissance. like, they are really -- >> but you are saying like it never really went away -- >> i don't know that it went away. i think it was more of -- because it is legalized, it's more socially acceptable to do. >> i guess you are right. >> -- >> you can choose your own flavor, you can choose your own adventure these days. marijuana is like, do you want to be hungry? do you not want to be angry? is you want to be awake? you want to be sleepy? there are so many different strains you can, like i say, choose your own adventure, decide how you want to feel. that's part of the renaissance. >> the medicinal piece -- whenever i'm having a medicinal emergency, the first thing i think of his running out to the circle k. [laughs] you go to the emergency room, could call my doctor, or i could go to the circle k and grab a rotisserie hotdog and whatever else they are selling. i mean, come on -- >> this is not a medical

emergency, scott. >> so my disagree, they might say it's a medical emergency. but the point of this is not to say, oh the point of this is just to get the foot in the door, of just selling it -- >> i don't think that's right. i think people do actually use it for pain management and i think that's different for getting high, for sure. >> -- no one but you has ever grab the rotisserie hotdog, for sure. >> we don't have a lot of -- where i come from. >> a general rule -- by 11 pm, it's that same one going around and around. it's not a renaissance. >> oh, no, that's an old dog. thank you guys, very much. we want to talk about this. the miami dolphins quarterback tua tagovailoa -- suffering that concussion and revealed some scary details that day. we will tell you what he is saying. plus we, we'll hear from you on social media. that's next.

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entire night up into the point where i got tackled but after i got tackled, i don't remember much from getting carted off, i don't remember that. but i do remember things that were going on when i was in the ambulance and when i arrived at the hospital. >> scott jennings and karen finney are back with us, joining us is former nfl player dante stallworth. what are your thoughts as you watch that hit he took where he took got a concussion? >> it's tough, it's always tough, think it's more tough now since i've been out. there has been a lot more research and studies that have been done on concussions and we understand a lot more about them than we did ten, 15 years ago. as a player, i understand that his willingness to want to get back out there. that is kind of the mentality that we have been infused with throughout our entire career since we were children.

it is something that is devastating. i think the nfl definitely has to make some amendments to the concussion policy and protocol. >> you should not have been playing >> now but i will note that, the next couple of games were played in the nfl, we had a situation where a guy went down early in the game, third play of the game for the indianapolis colts and he went down in similar fashion and was stumbling and they took him out for the rest of the game. i think unfortunately it took for us to see what happened to tua tagovailoa, and egregious hit of the head on the ground. and then we saw what happened afterwards. and i think the culture has to change. >> so crazy thinking about, we've known about cte, traumatic brain injury, this is something that has been studied. there are movies about it, very popular ones. you talk about the willingness to get back in the game, i often wonder with the motivation comes from.

>> you too have a lovely discussion.

>> he admitted you are conflicted a little bit about this. >> i, am on the one hand i see this guy, highly talented guy that has been working towards this his whole life and he is an adult and so i think, he should be able to make these decisions. but then i think about, he is only able to make decisions about whether or not he should play based on the information he is being given. i think about it, if i may ask you a question because you've been there. the advice and information that these players get. coming from a doctor who i guess one doctor got fired over this right? for clearing him? >> there was a neurologist who was independent that was fired. >> you're getting advice on the team and so it is in the team's best interest for him to play. the league's best interest for him to play but i just wonder sometimes, most of these players have somebody who do not have a conflict of interest giving them advice about what is best for them? again he is muddled, i tend to lean that adults should be able to do what they want to do. but i wonder about the advice they are getting. he's not a doctor.

all he knows is what somebody told him his risk is. and i'm curious about that. >> i think that it is hard to kind of put the onus on the player when they have had a head injury and expect them to think rationally. we take baseline tests before the season starts to determine where our threshold is after a concussion and so when you take that test, they kind of see how far you've fallen off of your normal testing that you've done and that number of those but independent contractors were brought into specifically not be a con victim interest to the player and we saw what happened with the miami dolphins guy being fired. so we are still waiting on the investigation and how that happened. and it's good to keep the independent contractors but at the same time we've seen it fail and so there needs to be more amendments with the nfl protocol is. >> this is personal for you for

a variety of reasons. >> i had brain surgery last year and so i know a bit about it. and you are confronted with the fragility of the brain and the idea that in a second, i could not hear out of my left ear. i couldn't eat, i couldn't swallow, i couldn't talk. i thought about it, i've had a great life, i'm blessed. this is a 24-year-old young man. the impact of one hit, one too many hits. then the press conference he said, they asked him about cte and he's like, well on average you've got to get hit six times, i've only been hit two times. was clearly doing the math in his head. i'm thinking no. i don't want to see that. i think part of this, the onus has to be on us as fans to say, i do not want you to feel like you have to go out there and be a gladiator and hit harder and draw blood and get the scores up. and play if you have a concussion or an injury. we've seen all of that. i mean why can't we just enjoy

the game and say okay, you are injured, that's okay. we can do something to take that pressure off is what i feel like. >> dante, do you feel like even now concerns? having played in the league? >> i do. after all of the research we have seen in the last 15 20 years. we know more, we understand more about how football specifically can lead to especially down the road for players. it is troubling. you see these guys having issues. guys that when i was growing up in the 80s and 90s that i was watching are now having these issues that they don't remember how to get home after driving to the grocery store and they've done it 100 times. it's little things like this. it definitely concerns me. which is why i've tried to be as big of an advocate for the players because i know the players regardless if they can see and hear, they are going to want to play in the game. so there has to be something where we have to protect the players and i know that the nfl is trying to do things but again we have seen it fail recently. >> your experience, do you feel like the fan base has gotten

thirsty or for more violence over the course of your career in dealing with the ball? >> that's a good question. i will say, and i'm guilty of this because i actually love fantasy football. i think fantasy football has made the players more less human and more as commodities. and so when guys get injured the first thing that you will see i don't. no twitter is the worst place to go but you will see on twitter where they have all this and my fantasy team is this guy was knocked out of the game with a head injury. that is the conversation that is happening and so the like i said it is something that has to be the a systemic change and i hope the nfl, i know the nfl will because they have no choice, they have to make amends to this new policy. but also to the, i will say to answer your question earlier, we were speaking about earlier, i think the violence of the game is something that drives to game. so until we see these players more as humans and less as commodities, i think it will

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