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the news continues, cnn with jake tapper starts now. >> welcome to cnn tonight -- i'm jake tapper. tonight the economic alarms are blurring, and i don't mean one of those vaguely known but soft alarms on your smartphone. [noise] no, i mean one of those really have noxious alarms that you might hear if you are he's back on the -- turn that off. but you cannot turn this alarm off. and as much as you want to wish it away, it is clear that with less than three weeks after the midterm elections, the forecast is doom and gloom. that is why president biden today today gave not one but two speeches on the economy. >> families are hurting, you have heard me say it before, but i get it. >> it has been a rough for five years for the country. but a lot of folks here are still -- struggling, but there are bright spots. >> i get it, folks are still
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struggling, but one word that you did not hear from president biden today? the word recession. but he did admit a recession was a possibility during our interview last week. >> i don't think that there will be a recession. if there is, it will be a very slight recession. that is that we will move down slightly. look, it is possible, i don't anticipate it. >> now, some of the world's leading economists are shutting chilling the word recession from the roof tops. credit ratings from fitch warned yesterday that the u. s. economy will sink into a recession next spring. bloomberg economists now put the odds of a recession at 100% over the next year. 100%. that is pretty confident, then again this is a news organization founded by a guy who spent a billion dollars of his own money on a presidential campaign that lasted just over 100 days. so maybe the confidence is in the dna. biden any case it's not just all bloom beto --
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here's jamie diamond, ceo of jpmorgan chase. >> europe is already in recession. they're likely to put the u.s. in some conversation six or nine months from now. >> here's david salman, the ceo of goldman sachs. >> with a chance we could have a recession. i think you have to expect that there's more volatility on the horizon. >> to which one of the wealthiest man in the world, amazon founder jeff bezos responded it is time to batten down the hutches. actors. even more important than the recession fears of those sitting at the boardroom tables are the worries of those just trying to put food on their kitchen tables, who were already struggling given how inflation has been gobbling up bank accounts nationwide ahead of thanksgiving. the average cost of groceries is up 13% since last september. eggs, up more than 30%. serial, 16%. milk and cheese, 15% with gas prices hovering at just about $4 per gallon on average. and they could soon rise again. look, there are a lot of reasons for inflation, but the
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one that republicans 0. 2 dates back to 2021 where president biden signed a bill to spend another nearly two trillion dollars, trillion, to continue to ease the pain of the pandemic. that legislation included hundreds of billions in direct checks to americans. at the time, it was not just republicans, it was also former clinton treasury secretary, larry summers, warning biden this might be too much spending. it could lead to the inflation that we are seeing now. >> i think policy is rather overdoing it, we are taking very substantial risks on the inflation side. >> but the biden administration pooh-poohed the inflation warnings. >> this warning, quote, we are in more danger than we have been during my career of losing control of inflation in the u. s.. is he wrong? >> i think he is wrong. i don't
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think that we are about to lose control of inflation. >> but treasury secretary janet yellen was the one who was wrong. how do i know she was wrong? she said so to wolf blitzer. >> was it a mistake, madam secretary, to downplay this inflation risk? did that contribute to the problems we are all seeing right now? >> well, look. i think that i was wrong then about the path that inflation would take. >> the basic idea of people were being given money but there was not enough goods for various reasons including factory shut down a broad, and that made the prices of those goods go up, hence inflation. and we have been here before. take a trip with me back to the future, the year is 1974, the year that nixon resigned. the number one song was barbara streisand the way we were. the way we were was that inflation wasn't more than 12%. president
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gerald ford, tried to come up with a slogan, with wig inflation now, in part of the wind campaign, these shiny red buttons. inspire americans to spend less, conserve energy, a spoiler alert? it did not work. the campaign was marked as one of the biggest government public relations wonders ever. so forward, loss and economic hard times continued, and three short years president jimmy carter called for some american sacrifice to combat a natural gas shortage, all wall dressed like mr. rogers. >> all of us must learn to waste less energy. simply by keeping our thermostats, for instance, at 65 degrees in the daytime, and 55 degrees at night. >> 55 at night! good luck. i don't control the thermostat in my house. but i digress. a few
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years later, americas inflation rate hit a record high of 14. 6%. voters kicked president carter out of the white house. then there is president george h. w. bush whose presidency was driven by a recession in the early 90s. a recession that economists say could be the model for what they say we are about to experience. now, we should point out that there are significant differences, first, unemployment today is low, like, really low. and wages are relatively high. and there are the complications that we did not see in previous downturns, such as in china where they have some insanely strict covid policies. one case can shut down an entire city, and all of its factories, that clogs of the global supply chain which might explain why my philadelphia eagles had he has been on back order since last winter. and that was all before putin's war in ukraine started! now, recession is a scary word. it sends a spiraling back into the deep dark hole of the economic crisis of 2008.
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>> american people, we are getting screwed by the big banks. >> it is unbelievable. >> but economists are not worrying about a sequel to the big short, because not reading from a fish the two that we talked about earlier, they are predicting a mild recession, a you would, mild. it can mean tens of thousands of americans losing their jobs, and businesses closing, and wage cuts, all of which does not feel particularly mild if it is happening to you. but big picture, there is bad, and there is catastrophic. catastrophic is not in the forecast. now, the politics of this are unavoidable. the economy is the single biggest issue of importance for voters, some of whom have already cast their ballots. you might think that it makes sense for democrats to avoid this scary subject altogether. senator bernie sanders was on the show last friday, however, implying democrats have spent too much time running away from this topic. sanders thinks that it is a losing strategy, in other
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words, he is challenging james carville who worked to get clinton elected after the 1990 recession. >> it is the economy, stupid. >> it is the economy, stupid. almost as important as the world economy in that sentence is the last word. his message to democrats, we were not talking about the economy back then, that is who he was calling stupid. one politician take carville's advice to focus on the economy is new hampshire governor, chris anew, who is thriving in the republican party. despite mocking trump as crazy. how is that possible? we will talk to him about, it next. emember ads with young people having a good time. so to help you remember that liberty mutual customizes your home insurance, here's a pool party. ♪ good times. insurance! ♪ only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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a reason new york times poll cnn poll found that 44% of voters had economy and inflation are the most important issues facing the country. the next top ranking issues abortion, crime, guns, are all at 5% or less. so what made that mean for candidates across the country? well, republicans are seeing a boost in polls in wisconsin, pennsylvania, even new york, as americans continue to struggle with rising prices. when i talk to senator bernie sanders last week, as i mentioned, don't assume that republicans have the answers. >> and the irony here is republicans say, they talk about the economy, really, not one of them is going to vote to raise the minimum wage to a living wage. not one of them is going to vote for legislation that makes it easier for workers to join unions. not one of them is going to to do what every other means country doesn't guarantee health care for all people, nor will they vote to raise taxes
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on billionaires at a time when the richest people in this country in some cases pay nothing in federal income tax. i happen to think the republican line is phony and democrats have got to respond. >> with me to discuss the economic outlook and what it might mean for democrats and republicans's republican new hampshire governor chris sununu. governor, good to see you as always. how do you respond to bernie sanders argument? republicans love to talk about the economy but they never vote for legislation that would help working people? which is raising the minimum wage. >> such as cutting taxes, such as returning surpluses back to lower property taxes and creating more economic opportunity at home? look, i don't think i have to tell you, bernie sanders doesn't even represent the democrat party. he's a socialist. no, there's no answers there. he thinks we should look to europe. europe is in worse shape than americans, for goodness sake. sorry, bernie, you don't have the answers. good fiscal discipline is what is going to help bring us
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through the recession. yes, the recession is real. we haven't even begun to find feel the beginning of it. i can explain if you really want to. 23, 24, 25, that is when things are going to get really tight. we're still gonna have high wages, still gonna have high energy costs, fuel costs, gas costs. this is also going to be elevated under this democrat it administration. there's a tough storm to be weathered here, for sure. >> what do you mean? what do you think is going to happen, and why? >> everyone talks about the five trillion dollars into the economy that has driven inflation. that's absolutely true. what people don't realize is, governors and a few of us who are in charge of allocating those dollars and spending, them on the fraction has been spent. it has all been allocated, but the actual number of checks cut is very minimal. the funds are designed infrastructure, all designed to be spent into 24, 25, and 26. so inflation is going to be very exacerbated for the next
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few years, and the recession is going to be very real. never in american history, in world history, do you get inflation like this not followed by a severe recession. that's why you're going to need republicans fiscal hawks, folks that are managers, willing to make tough decisions, to make sure it is not government comes first, it individuals, and that kind of opportunity at a community level. >> so senate republican leader mitch mcconnell generally speaking doesn't believe in introducing agendas for republicans to run on. what do you think republicans, assuming they control the house, and why not just say they control the senate, what should they do to improve economic conditions so that inflation comes down and we avoid a recession? >> a couple of things. first, you do exactly what you are telling people we're going to do. you're gonna put the top issues first. not top issues for politicians, the top issues for the folks at home, which is why november's going to be strong for republicans.
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it's about the cost of living, fuel, putting food on the table. those things are very we'll real. -- you have to go forward with -- buying back those assets, pull money out of the economy. it's the only way to get inflation under control. unfortunately these rates are going to have to stay high for a decent amount of time, which is why i get upset with secretary yellen. she knew what she was doing. she knew that at the end of the day the roosters, the chickens had to come home to roost, so to say, in interest rates would have to outpace inflation to get this thing under control. and then understand that making sure that the dollars that have been allocated are really going to one-time spending, not increasing the size of government. a lot of states iffy bigger government programs. that's the absolute wrong thing to do. because you are increasing your long term liabilities on your tax payers. we don't have sales tax here. we don't have income tax. getting rid of our dividend tax and all of that, but at the end of the day you need fiscal hawks that know how to take what they have, spend the
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dollars efficiently, and make sure that you are creating opportunity at that localized level. you can do that in washington. they're not very good at it, traditionally, but the opportunities there. the last thing i want to jump on his workforce. workforce workforce. . that's the key to our economy. that doesn't really get fixed long term for america until you deal with securing the border and creating a legal immigration system, the right like type of system that lets folks come in the right way and start allowing that process to happen in a safe and secure way. you stop the humanitarian crisis. you stop the drugs of the court at the border. but you let the immigration flow in a legal way, the way it should. that can create opportunity for workforce for america. >> you mentioned energy costs. i have spent four winters in new hampshire. one of the issues the people in new hampshire are currently struggling with is the cast of heating in their home. they need heat in those new hampshire winters. in some parts of new hampshire the cost of electricity doubled in the summer. what are you doing to address those rising costs?
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>> the green new deal is an absolute disaster. everybody realizes that. you have to incentivize using your own fuel. new england is at the end of the natural gas pipeline, because all natural gas comes up through new york, into new england, and unfortunately a lot of our surrounding states have shut down their natural gas plants and things that provide reliability. nobles are great. you've got to have a good balance of renewables, and growing, that but there has to be a transition into that process. first thing, do no harm. stop signing bad legislation. stop signing things for political reasons. and look at our energy policy through the lens of the ratepayer. it's those folks on low incomes, the elderly, folks on pensions, every time they turn on the light switch, they pay that electricity subsidy to subsidize all the renewables, just like everybody else. so it's not that you say no to it. but it's got to be the right balance. i love hydro. the river doesn't get shut off at night. the sun does go down, so solar isn't really as efficient as hydro, or offshore wind. not great for kansas, but a
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good opportunity for new hampshire. so smart energy balances as opposed to politically driven energy policy is the way to go. >> let's talk about the politics of this. your dad is john sununu, at one point the chief of staff to then president george h. w. bush, president bush at the time, the first year of his presidency. he compromise with democrats on the tax bill to try to help the economy. you are still under the recession and on t-90. it hurt bush in the midterms. he ultimately didn't get reelected. did you get any insight on any of this politically from your father? what it was like watching the economic problems come. that recession is where he wasn't reelected. >> i would say my political inside comes from my experience as governor. i'm a three term hopefully fourth term governor. you've got to know, you have to give a little to get a lot. so you've got to know where to push and pull. trying to bring the other side of the island here office.
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i had a discussion with a bunch of senators when they were trying to get me to run for senate a while ago. they said balancing the budget is higher because you need 60 void votes and that's not gonna happen. i said if you're sure you need 60 votes than you build a 60 vote plan. that means we're going to have to get some democrats. go build a plan that gives the democrats what they want. give a little to get a lot in the end of day you will be rewarded for doing right by the by the american people. businesses have to balance a budget. and eventually have to balance a budget. why shouldn't the government? so that kind of fast philosophy, going into understanding that when you take your obligation first, understand the responsibility of getting stuff done, that drives you to find that compromise. you've got to work with democrats. the democrats have to learn to work with republicans. >> the guy who didn't run for senate and the guy that is the nominee in new hampshire, the republican nominee, is a guy named don holbrooke. you recently have embraced him, even though during the primaries you caused him called him a quote conspiracy theory extremist and not a serious candidate.
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last year this is what dawn bolduc said about you. >> he's a chinese communist sympathizer. he's in business with saudi arabian countries and gives money to terrorist organizations. >> he is? who is? who is in business with saudi -- >> waterville valley his in business with saudi arabian companies. >> so much crazy in there and are not unpack it. i should pint out that your family is a primary investor -- four waterville valley in new hampshire. but now you are telling republican their state to vote for him. this guy is not all there. >> look, i'm supporting the republican ticket up and down because you know who's not there? any of my democrat congressional delegation. they are literally not here. they literally spent years, hassan has spent years out of state. >> i'm not talking about his physical presence.
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he was a staunch -- election lawyer. before he won the primary, he was an election liar, then he drastically swapped his position once he won the nomination and realized that there's a bunch of sane people in new hampshire. take a listen. >> i signed a letter with 120 other generals and admirals saying that trump won the election, and it, i stand by my answer. i've done a lot of research on this and i have spanned the last couple of weeks talking to granite strangers all over the state from every party, and i have come to the conclusion, and i want to be definitive on this, the election was not stolen. >> i think he has backtracked on that to, but look, governor sununu, you are sane republican at the time when a lot of people are looking for same republicans. are you hurting the cause of saying republicans when you embrace people like that? >> this is about having folks in washington d. c. that put new hampshire first.
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was the election stolen? of course not. that's nonsense. and it's great to see him backtrack on that. but that isn't the issue folks are going to vote on. on mar-a-lago was not what people are gonna vote on. people vote in their own self interest, as they should. we should all be a little selfish with her vote. what's best for my family, my business, my opportunities. that's what a good voter is all about. that's why, again, you have. . you have to be willing to make tough decisions. the guy is a war hero, so he's making connections with -- there's a lot of opportunity. i'm supporting the republican ballot up and down. a republican governor. i think that shocks anybody. at the end of the day you've got to be talking about the issues that matter to the voters. the press likes to talk about this other stuff but at the end of the day the voters are gonna vote on who can deliver the most opportunity for their families. by and large, it's gonna be republicans. >> economies important, democracy important, live free
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or die, governor chris sununu, good to see you. >> good to see you, buddy. >> it's deposition day for donald trump in a long running defamation lawsuit launched by a writer -- e. jean carroll did trump answer any questions today or did he take the fifth? what does that all mean? we'll tell you, next. >> tech: at safelite, we take care of vehicles with the latest technology. we can replace your windshield ...and recalibrate your safety system. >> customer: and they recycled my old glass. >> tech: don't wait. schedule today.
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>> earlier today donald trump sat for a deposition under oath. for now only few slick people know if trump actually answered any questions or if he had caught another case of, let's call it forgetfulness. >> i don't remember. that i don't remember the names. i don't know. i don't know. i don't know the answer to this. i don't remember. >> by the, way that's together the guy who once claimed to have the worlds greatest memory.
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speaking under oath in 2019 2015 for a deposition about trump university, that's a case that ended with trump agreeing to a 25 million dollar settlement. but today trump is facing a defamation lawsuit brought by former magazine columnist e. jean carroll. e. jean carroll claimed he raped her in the mid 90s, but this case isn't about that alleged assault, it's about comments trump made about carroll once she made the accusation. he said he never met her. he said she is totally lying, and he said she wasn't his type. the reality is, even as trump fights one defamation case, he is weaponizing definition claims against others, including suing cnn for calling his lies, well, lies. i'm joined now by canter kell represented sarah palin and al kogan in their suits against -- gawker so e. jean carroll says she plans to sue next trump next month about sexual assault case claims. what are the chances that he's answers in the defamation case
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might be used against him in that case? >> we've got this new law up a new york providing statute of limitations and so what is interesting about this is attributes of metoo cases with the pending defamation case five years ago that wasn't as strange but this is a new vibe. a course the answer is going to matter they're gonna matter. they're going to manage that case. theoretically is there was ever a criminal investigation they would matter for that. if it was fresh and you are alleging rape in the police were involved you would take five on that all day so of course they matter. i'm not sure there's any real strategy not to answer them in the context of a true civil case. >> i would imagine that he just denied that he didn't have a case of amnesia, that he actually said no, it didn't happen, it didn't happen, it didn't happen. i can't think of anything else that would make sense. but you're the lawyer. tell me. >> he's kind of all in on this one in the sense that the
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public comments he made on social, it's a very he said she said thing. he said i never knew her. it's hard to get away from. that if you qualify us that you might have a little wiggle room, a memory lasting, or i'm confused. but when you say i never knew her in the context of an accusations being made, you playing a zero sum he, said she said credibility game to a jury. >> we are in an era now there is a lot of defamation carers cases in the media, johnny depp and amber heard's ended up with back and forth defamation claims. blac chyna lost her five your fight over a canceled reality show. -- why do we seem to be in this new era of high-profile defamation cases. >> it's a question i'm answering literally every week now somewhere. i was just talking to laura about this, i was on the show talking about alex jones. let's pull away first and say, are they defamation cases?
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my position on johnny depp and amber heard was it wasn't a defamation case. it was domestic violence. you didn't hear speech or about a public figure standards or approvable falsity. you heard all this mudslinging. alex jones took a default judgment on both cases, texas and connecticut, meaning liability was not an issue. we weren't discussing first amendment parameter principles. it wasn't a hard dive on it. so all of these speech cases, we call them speech cases because we know that that's what was in -- at the time. the issue of why they're going to trial is more fascinating. on the grassroots level, this is what i do. palin was a speech case. we were deep five dive on actual malice, deep dive on basic first amendment principles, appeals, reversals. i think, and this is just gut feeling, and the judges are seeing more and more of what
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technology is doing in that arena. privacy, the interrelationship, and what is happening is they're putting things that weren't even heard of 20 years ago in the speech cases. the u new york times had not had trial advocates, jury trial, 28 years before they tried palin. you've seen four, and speech cases for arguments sake, they involve speech, at least as a genesis of claim. i think what you are seeing as is a judges recognition, like, enough is enough. there's all this noise out there. we're going to start -- developing some law here. i think we have to. for a lot of reasons. >> very interesting. can to kill. thank you very much. president biden now facing a different type of lawsuit, this one for delaying the release of thousands of secret government files might shed light on the 1963 assassination of president john f. kennedy. what is still hidden? why? will we ever get to see it? that's next.
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making big promises. what's the real math behind prop 27, their ballot measure for online sports betting? 90% of profits go to the out of state corporations permanently. only eight and a half cents is left for the homeless. and in virginia, arizona, and other states, fanduel and draftkings use loopholes to pay far less than was promised. sound familiar? it should. vote no on prop 27. naomi: every year, the wildfires and smoke seem to get worse. jessica: there is actual particles on every single surface. cooke: california has the worst air pollution in the country. the top two causes are vehicles and wildfires. prop 30 helps clean our air. it will reduce the tailpipe emissions that poison our air. kevin: and helps prevent the wildfires that create toxic smoke. that's why calfire firefighters, the american lung association, and the coalition for clean air support prop 30. naomi: i'm voting yes on 30.
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so much so that the mary ferrell foundation, the nation 's largest online archive of president kennedy information is suing president biden -- and the national archives, demanding they release these demanding remaining documents. the lawsuit also alleges that the feds have unlawfully redacted other previously unreleased records on the law might be underside. they are side. back in 1992 president george h. w. bush signed off on the jfk records act which required that all related documents be made public by october 26, 2017. five years ago. the national archives has at least 80% of the collection is already released to the public since the 1990s. as for the remaining 12%, well, it was president donald trump who delayed some of it, citing national security reasons, while biden last year blame the pandemic for slowing down the review process. the delay has prompted historians and transparency advocates and some members of the kennedy family to question the government's motives.
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this is what the namesake of his brother, i meant just crime against american democracy the american people and the american people have a right to. now it's bizarre. it's been almost 60 years since michael's death. what are they hiding? good question. his question cousin -- former congressman of rhode island patrick kennedy -- because american citizens have the right to know about something that left such a scar on this nations so. for the good of the country, everyone has to be -- this greater understanding of our history, unquote. many questions remain. mainly, whether the accused shooter, lee harvey oswald, indeed acted alone. remember in 1976 a house select committee on assassinations said, quote, it believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that president john f. kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. but the committee said they are unable to identify the other gunmen or the extent of the
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conspiracy, unquote. do these unreleased vials shed any light on that conclusion? we don't know what the documents will reveal, but it is clear that even as the cia vows to adhere to a december 15th release date, the foundation does not believe that the biden administration is going to stick to its word. what are you hiding? release the documents. all right. so, moving on, it's wednesday. also known as hump day. two days before the weekend, which means -- >> i just feel like i am excited and i feel relaxed and i'm ready to party. >> me too. we're gonna give you a much-needed vote dose of relaxation with the director of bridesmaids, paul feig, who is here to tell us all about his new project the dropped on netflix today. that's next.
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>> it's a lot of fun. you can watch with your kids. behind this female driven film is paul feig, one of my favorite writers and directors. writer and director paul feig joins me now. paul, so good to see you. you are known for movies such as the revamp of ghostbusters, bridesmaids, the heat. this does seem like a real departure. what was it about the book, the school for a good and evil, that interest to do? >> it's funny because people say it was a departure but really it's just freaks and geeks with magic. i responded to the story of these two young women. i love any story about female friendship. i feel like that's a dynamic that doesn't get portrayed as accurately as the women who i am friends with and their friendships are so strong and yet i feel when i see female friendship in movies it's usually them fighting or whatever -- i just love the message of how
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strong their friendship is and how the friendship actually saves them at the end of the day. >> that is the one way it did not seem a departure for me, that is about to young women and their friendship and also about charlize their own and carrie washington and older women in a relationship. you've been called hollywood accidental feminist for choosing, focusing so many projects on female driven films with melissa mccarthy, kristen wiig. why is producing and directing films with all female leads, why is it important to you? >> because i have watched movies for so long and when i was a kid i watched a lot of movies from the 30s and 40s with my mom. and the male and female roles were very equal. they were really on the same footing. and then over the years, watching through the 70s on, i watch women's roles get really one-dimensional, especially in comedy. they just became the foils for the funny guys where the mean girlfriend, the overbearing
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wife. i had friends who were famous comedians or actresses who would be in these movies and i'd be so excited to see them and then they wouldn't be funny. they would just have to be mean. -- i was bullied as a kid and so all my friends tended to be, i run over to the girls table and talk to them. all my friends with were women, and i was good friends with my mom. i feel more comfortable telling women stories. >> that is melissa mccarthy movies -- they are so funny. and it's such a crime that there are more of them. you have said that you see this film and, it does play a lot with archetypes, i was just thinking about when agatha, who's in the school for a good, is learning how to smile or whether a boost red who's at the school for evil is learning the ugly, it doesn't matter what you look like, because it will allow you to use your brain.
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and you're like, oh, you are really playing with the villain hero or heroine rolls. you said you see this as an anti-disney. >> yeah, very much so. people always ask me, what's your favorite fairytale? i actually didn't like fairytales when i was a kid. i found them too scary or too simplistic. there's just no nuance between the characters. i really don't like the idea of this person's all good, this person is all bad. we see where that gets us today in our country. i really like that this story mixes that up. i like stereotypes and archetypes that are fun to introduce so that people who think they know what's gonna get and think they know what's going to happen and then you start to mix it up and put the gray areas in and then it's like real life. at the end of the day, as agatha says, we are all just human. >> yeah, and you had some cgi in ghostbusters, but you have a ton of it in this film. we're going to show a little bit of it right now. how different was the it directing a film like?
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it seems like a lot of your films and tv work, about comedy, it seems to have at least a lot of improv, specially with melissa mccarthy and kristen wiig. how much of a departure was this is a writer and a director? >> not too much, actually. i have c g fatigue from movies in the past ten years and more. and so with this move even though we have a lot of c g i try to do as much practical as we could. the cgi is almost laid on top of real things and people are acting with. when you see the wish fish girl coming out and pushing pulling the real girl out of their, then we put the fish over her, but this set's were all real. we probably tried not to do green screen sets. we had some of the creatures that are giant creatures that we had to do with sea jeez, we filled giant puppets -- like these green screen puppets, a puppeteer and named mikey who would put on the green screen suit. we fly around with this and acted out so that i know what i'm acting when i'm shooting in the actors are acting against
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something that's the right size are not just acting against tennis balls. i think, that's the sad thing, they were just on a green screen set and acting against nothing. i can't keep track of that, and god knows the actors can. >> it seems like he really let charlize their own as the head of the evil school, and carrie washington as the head of the good school, you really let them have fun with their characters so what was it like working with this powerhouses, these icons? >> it was great. i worked with charlize when i directed arrested development. i did two episodes with her, and we had her walking in water across a pool. so, once you make charlize who across the water, you are in. but no, she's great, she has such a great sense of humor, and we are always looking for something to do after that. but i read this script i said oh, she could just embrace this sort of evil-ness with a deliciousness that i know she could bring to it. and then carrie washington, she
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and i work together for a long time. i know how funny she is when i watched her own saturday night live as if she was really funny. so my favorite thing is to find people who, actors who people all who don't people i think they can do one, thing or don't think they are funny. she just brought, she's just so happy playing professor w -- because she could bring out all her shades. and she was so wonderful. >> so, freaks and geeks, the show that launched you and jed apatow and so many others, jason segel, and seth rogen, and too many to name, honestly, it's such a shame. it was such a great show. when you look back on it, it's hard to argue that it was a failure because you and judd and everyone else was so hugely successful. but do you look back on it with sorrow? what do you think of when you think of it 20 years later? >> making it was, i had such a great time, but it was really hard. i really put my heart and soul into it as everybody did.
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and we got great reviews. we got glowing reviews but we are always the bottom rated show on nbc at the time, just to show you how tv has changed. we had 7 million viewers every week. today would be a giant hit. but it was devastating when you get canceled. and my mom had just died two days before we got canceled. so yeah, it was kind of a one-two punch. the sad thing is, back then, when you got canceled, you are gone. there was no streaming to go out on. they weren't gonna put you on a dvd. it was just like okay, the show doesn't exist anymore. but fortunately, four years later we got shout factory to put on the dvds. that kind of brought us back. so once we were back and people can see it, i was able to relax a little bit and go, okay, it's not so sad. the scene where jason segel sings lady tale is one of the most upsetting and true to life stories about a teenager. >> very cringe-tastic as we like to call it.
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