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it's helpful. "all there is" is available on apple podcasts or whenever you get your podcasts. the news continues. "cnn tonight" with jake tapper starts right now. jake? >> hey, anderson. i listened to the one with molly shannon. i had no idea she went through that tragedy as a kid. and just the sense of guilt. oh, my god, so profound. >> her mother and baby sister and cousin were killed in a car crash when she was just four years old. her life, it's amazing. i appreciate you listening. >> yeah, no, it's great. everyone should check it out. it's obviously a subject you know a lot about and you really bring out these important threads from people like stephen colbert and lauren anderson. >> thanks. i appreciate it. have a great weekend. >> thanks anderson. welcome to "cnn tonight." i'm jake tapper in washington. today donald trump was issued a subpoena from the january 6 committee, which wrote to trump, quote, we have assembled overwhelming evidence

that you personally orchestrated and oversaw a multipart effort to overturn the 2020 presidential election and to obstruct the peaceful transition of power, unquote. at the same time, in the same investigation, trump's former chief strategist steve bannon was sentenced to four months in prison for defying his subpoena from the committee. and bannon looked like he loved every second of it. >> traitor! lock him up! traitor! >> the federal judge, a trump appointee, we should note, said that bannon has shown, quote, no remorse for his actions. remorse isn't bannon's thing. revolt is. >> remember, this is a illegitimate regime. their judgment day is on 8 november. >> bannon's one of the main forces that spread those deranged lies about the 2020 election, but at least at the

time privately bannon seemed to know that this was all a scam. here he is behind closed doors before the last election. >> and what trump's going to do is just declare victory, right? he's going to declare victory. that doesn't mean he's the winner. he's just going to say he's the winner. >> it's unclear if bannon will actually end up going to prison. the judge is letting him remain free while his appeal process plays out. we're going to talk to his lawyer in just a second. separately, bannon is facing charges of money laundering and conspiracy and fraud related to the online scheme to raise money to build trump's border wall. bannon's a busy guy. even before he met trump, bannon was a man who wore many hats -- or in his case, shirts. navy, harvard, georgetown, goldman sachs, bannon seemed drawn to odd projects, such as the 1993 science escapade known as biosphere ii.

>> the structure held seven small scale versions of the earth's various zones. here monitoring plant, animal and atmospheric changes. >> it's been referred to in the past as a planet in a bottle. >> bannon has a real eye, a keen eye, for opportunities. for instance, he bought a stake in royalties for a little show in the '90s that maybe you heard of. ♪ but in addition to that quality, singing opportunities, bannon has also long been drawn to a hostile, radical nationalism. after making some right wing documentaries, bannon became a founding member of the board breitbart.com, where bannon eventually assumed the helm and helped turn it proudly into a website for the so-called alt-right. at the time, even right wing talk show host glen beck thought

bannon extreme and scary. >> he's a horrible, despicable human being. by taking orders from a political candidate and reworking your entire site to promote the lies of a specific candidate without any kind of truth behind these things, that doesn't make you roger ails. that makes you gerbils. >> gerbils. tough talk for a fellow conservative from glenn beck. but you probably first became aware of steve bannon when he was chief executive officer of trump's presidential campaign and then chief strategist and senior counselor at the trump white house. many in the public were afraid because of the bigotry on breitbart and the accusations against bannon of domestic violence and anti-selltism, accusations from his ex-wife. bannon's spokesman denied the allegations but bannon was putting his plans into gear, such as the so-called muslim ban or purging the republican party of anyone remotely disloyal to donald trump.

>> they're going to be held accountable if they do not support the president of the united states. >> bannon brought that hostility into the white house. one senior trump white house adviser told me today that bannon at the white house was abusive and foul to the extreme to everyone on the staff. and president trump was jealous that bannon was getting more credit with the base than he was. so, it was only a matter of time before bannon was ousted. and after bannon was quoted attacking donald trump jr. in a book the next year, trump publicly went after the man that he called sloppy steve. but bannon did not return fire. bannon has always played the long game. bannon's long game is to tear down the gop from the inside out and turn it into a nationalist party. and that's why you should care about sloppy steve because he's using his podcast now to go after republicans and to go

after the republic. called "the war room," it's regularly one of the most popular podcasts on apple. bannon has millions of listeners. >> some of the figures he studied closest and admires from the past are actual propagandists like the nazi propagandists. >> bloomberg's josh green wrote a whole book on bannon. and he reports that bannon has studied the work of nazi propagandist lenny riven stall. >> he showed me once shot for shot how he was copying in his own films what she had done in her films. so, it gives you an idea of the depth of his belief in propaganda. >> do not underestimate sloppy steve. steve bannon is gifted. steve bannon has taken that war room audience and turned it into what he calls an army. it's an army he's been quietly

mobilizing to fight on the humblest of battlefields. >> we're taking action. and that action is we're taking over school boards. we're taking over the republican party to the precinct committee strategy. we're taking over all the elections. >> we're taking over all the elections. there's nothing wrong, of course, with getting the public involved in their political process. in a way, it's laudable. the problem here is what this bannon army might do on those election boards, on these precinct committees inside polling places. >> we're going to take over the election apparatus. american citizens that are volunteering. >> what are these people going to do once they're in charge of the election apparatus? >> it is about who counts the votes. and guess what, we're going to count them. >> who are these precinct committee men and women going to elect in county and state parties? how are they going to do their jobs if elected to count votes on the local level? when drew griffin and cnn's

investigative unit sat down with members of bannon's army on the state level, it was very clear who was calling the shots. >> and steve bannon was the one that i heard say exactly what jody just said. hey, all the democrats do it. you've got to get involved grass roots. >> it was also clear that members of bannon's army had been fed lie after lie after lie, lies that clearly would cause anyone to be concerned about how they might do their jobs. >> to see all the anomalies during the election, there's no way that biden could have ever won an election. he didn't campaign. the most unpopular person. there's just some -- if you believe that that was a safe and fair election, then, i mean, i just can't help you. >> it was a safe and fair election. this is a real threat to democracy, and it's playing out at such a local level we might never even see what it means. so, this is where bannon's combination of traits, savvy exploiter of opportunity and ras

putin of modern nationalism, this is where it has led him and us. how concerned should you be? well, one former german ambassador to the united states puts it this way in cnn's special report airing tonight. >> looking back over the last several years over the post-world war ii period, in my view, steve bannon is the single most dangerous american who came our way. >> the single most dangerous american who came the germans' way. not to belabor the point, but the germans know bad guys. even if steve bannon does end up in a prison cell, four months is not a long time. moreover, his insidious influence, that cannot be locked up. but today is focus is not on bannon's charisma but by his appeal, by which of course i mean his court appeal. steve bannon's attorney is going to be with us to talk about what

happened in court today and what comes next and why his client wouldn't just go before the january 6 committee and plead the fifth, as so many others have? we'll ask him next.

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and we're back with more on steve bannon, the former trump white house adviser sentenced to four months in prison and a $6,500 fine for contempt of congress after defying a subpoena to appear in front of the january 6th committee. minutes after the punishment was handed down, a defiant bannon gave this warning shot to democrats. >> today was my judgment day by the judge. on november 8th, there's going to have judgment on the illegitimate biden regime. and quite frankly -- and quite frankly -- nancy pelosi and the entire committee. and we know which way that's going. this is democracy. the american people are weighing in, measuring what went on with the justice department and how they comported themselves. >> and steve bannon's attorney, david schoen, joins us now. david, thanks so much for taking

our questions. really appreciate it. steve bannon says he's going to appeal the court's decision. what's the argument that the jury got it wrong? >> there's several arguments by the way. what was extraordinary today was that the judge first of all found state pending appeals appropriate. that was not extraordinary. that was appropriate. but that he mentioned at least four issues that he considers to be substantial issues for the appeal, meaning that he understands that reasonable jurists could disagree over at least four questions. so, the first reason i say the jury got it wrong -- i mean the jury did their job appropriately, i think. they couldn't have come to any other conclusion based on the testimony they heard. but one of the key mistakes in the case we believe is that the judge prohibited mr. bannon from putting on any evidence before the jury or even making reference to any reason for his

response to subpoena. that is that he believed executive privilege applied, that he relied on the directives of his lawyer, and so on. all of that was prohibited from going before the jury. >> so, you also -- you advised bannon not to testify in court. why not? >> well, if he couldn't tell the story of what happened, then i didn't think there was any point in having him testify. you know, people may or may not have noticed it. i actually declined to participate in the trial in terms of examining witnesses and making argument because i had a bit of a disagreement over strategy and whether it was appropriate. and i didn't want the legitimize that process. once the judge made a ruling that all the defenses in the case would be barred, i didn't want to legitimize the process by going through the motions and making it sort of good enough by asking questions and so on so

that anyone reviewing would say you got a fair trial for that reason. couldn't get a fair trial, not because of anything bad the judge did. he gave his reasoned rulings. he's a thoughtful and careful judge. i think overall those rulings were unfair. i think the jury deserved to hear all of the facts of the case and then make a decision one way or the other. >> so, this is about his contempt of congress charge because the committee investigating january 6 wanted him to come and testify. and i think there are a lot of us who wonder why didn't he just go before the committee and do what so many other potentially prosecutable suspects in this investigation have done, general flynn, roger stone, eastman, et cetera, and just assert the fifth amendment for any answers that might incriminate him. i don't understand why he didn't just do that. >> because he's steve bannon. he doesn't like the optic of

taking the fifth amendment. i have said before that i tend to think i would advise any client appearing before this committee to take the fifth, quite frankly, because i have real problems with the political composition of the committee. i think it was inappropriate to make chairman thompson the chairman after he sued former president trump, alleging that former president trump was responsible for the events of january 6th and that he, chairman thompson, suffered personal injuries for it. i don't think that's the kind of chair for a committee that can gain the confidence of the whole committee. >> i want to focus on mr. bannon because he talks very freely about january 6 on the air. why would he feel fine talking about january 6 on the air but not under oath, as required by law? >> well, you know, the subpoena from this committee raised a peculiar issue. that's, again, one of the things the judge mentioned today. what are the rights and obligations of the recipient of a subpoena from congressional committee when executive privilege is invoked? now, there are all sorts of issues around that obviously, the extent to which a former president can invoke privilege, the degree to which the incumbent can supersede that invocation of privilege. but mr. bannon -- and i said today in court -- is a person -- take away the name bannon because, you know, that presents

a lot of inflammatory thoughts among people. but mr. bannon is a person who believes in the constitution, respects the institution of the presidency. and in this case, respected the invocation of executive privilege and the presumptive validity of such an invocation. >> so, the prosecution says bannon, quote, acted in bad faith throughout by claiming he was merely acting on former president trump's instructions, the executive privilege claims you're referring to, even though former president trump's attorney made clear he was not, unquote. so, did trump ask him not to testify? and when was the last time they spoke? >> well, this guy you're talking about, justin clark, president's so-called attorney, i call one of the thugs of that administration based on personal experience with him. and i wouldn't believe anything that he says. the same letter he wrote to meadows and scavino and everyone else with one exemption regarding immunity, nothing to

do with privilege. wrote a letter condemning the committee and saying president trump is invoking privilege. this is a protective assertion of privilege. so, it's a -- it's sort of prefrpive. they don't know what documents would be an issue. he now began cooperating with the government and they're saying he didn't say this and he didn't mean that and so on. the lawyer is aware this guy clark was trying to pull something at the time and warned bannon about that. but he invoked privilege. and former president trump made that clear on july 9th when we wrote a letter confirming he invoked executive privilege when bannon got the subpoena. >> but executive privilege protects people who work in the white house or the administration who are giving the president advice. steve bannon was a private citizen. he didn't work the administration. i've never heard of a successful executive privilege claim applying to somebody who's outside the government. >> well, you make a point that many people try to make. unfortunately, with all due respect, it's just not accurate. there's a justice department opinion right on point.

and it makes sense if you think about it. that opinion was whether someone no longer employed in the executive privilege branch can still enjoy executive privilege with the president. the office of legal council and the justice department said absolutely. so think about it. if president biden today somehow concluded the economy is not where he wants to be and he called in the ceo of a successful company and they shared thoughts, that ceo has the right to believe those conversations are privileged and president biden has the right to make those conversations privileged. that person never work in the executive branch. there are reasons the institution maintains that executive privilege, even with people outside the executive branch. >> this all has to do with the january 6 investigation. listen to your client the day before that horrific assault on the capitol. >> all hell is going to break

loose tomorrow. just understand this. all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. it's not going to happen like you think it's going to happen, okay? it's going to be quite extraordinarily different. and all i can say is strap in. >> what did your client mean by that? what did he know about what was planned for the next day? >> i don't know the answer to that question. i think what he meant is, you know, things are going to be chaotic the next day. i certainly don't think he anticipated any violence the next day and so on. but i really don't know the answer to that question. >> your client repeatedly told the public lies about the election, including about dominion voting machines. those claims were thoroughly investigated and refuted by senior members of the trump administration under oath. take a listen. >> there was this systemic corruption in the system and that their votes didn't count and that these machines controlled by somebody else were actually determining it, which was complete nonsense.

>> attorney general, i've reached the conclusion that there wasn't sufficient election fraud to change the outcome of the election. >> he said there's lots of fraud going on here. flat out much of the information he's getting is false. >> obviously former attorney general barr. that was pat cipollone from the white house and the former acting deputy attorney general donahue. has your client stopped telling the specific lies about dominion? and why does he continue to tell these other lies about the election? >> when did you stop beating your wife? i don't mean -- >> they are lies. they're empirically lies. these are trump officials saying it. take their word for it, not mine. >> i understand. i can tell you this. despite what i've written in the media that some have suggested trump knew otherwise and so on, having spoken to former president trump and bannon the subject, i can tell you that they believe in their heart of hearts, they believe they've

investigated and so on that there was election fraud. they believe that. so, it's not something that despite whatever in the media they think they're making up. i understand your point completely. but i am telling you i believe they sincerely believe in what they're saying. >> i can believe that all the gold in fort knox is mine. that doesn't mean i can go in there and get it. let me just ask you one final question, sir. josh green in "bloomberg" writes in his own mind and the maga mind, bannon is a martyr to the cause, a patriot who refused to testify on shaky grounds of executive privilege. he'll sury take advantage of it. as one of his old colleagues predicted to me, if steve gets six months, he'll treat it like he's nelson mandela, he'll write a memoir, he'll treat himself as a political prisoner. does he see himself like that? >> i don't know that he does. i said from the beginning of this case what a terrible mistake this committee was making. they were banting about in the press how they were going to make an example of steve bannon. i said from the beginning i believe they'll make him a martyr by criminally prosecuting him under the circumstances of

this case when they had an option, gotten him to testify simply through an enforcement proceeding as he suggested. i think there's that real possibility. i think people are very upset about what happened here. the criminal liability we imposed on someone who believed he did the right thing and the only lawful course open to him. >> david schoen, thank you so much for taking our questions. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> david schoen in an interview we taped earlier today. coming up, vodka, wine, and sweet letters. italy's former leader has been caught on tape gushing over the barbaric leader of russia. it's causing a major headache for his country just a new government is about to take over. that bizarre and upsetting story next. sorry. marcia has sleep apnea and her struggles with cpap had me sleeping in the guest room. now she's got inspire. it's a sleep apnea treatment that works inside her body with the click of a remote. no mask. no hose. just sleep. now i'm back. and we're back. ♪ ♪

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government got a call from on old friend. >> translator: i have re-established relations with president putin a bit, quite a bit. >> his office confirmed to cnn that these clips are legit. the new prime minister of italy just officially named today has promised to keep sending ukraine weapons. but this next part of the audio makes it clear this wasn't a, hey, how you doing, kind of chat between berlusconi and putin. >> translator: for my birthday, he sent me 20 bottles of vodka and a very sweet letter. i replied with bottles of lambrusko and an equally sweet letter. >> sweet? an adviser to president zelenskyy wrote in italian on twitter, quote, he must be under the influence of russian vodka. by 2010, the phrase bunga bunga was used to describe his

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42 years ago tonight was one of the best memories of my childhood. it's when the philadelphia phillies won their first ever world series. i was 11 watching on a black and white tv in my room. my next guests also love the phillies, but they are also die hard san diego padres fans, which is tough since right now those teams are facing off for the national league championship series. the parents of phillies pitcher aaron nola and austin nola are chris crossing the country to support their sons. austin and aaron made history on the field this week, marking the first time siblings faced each other as batter and pitcher in the postseason. that came of course leaving their parents a.j. and stacey nola to probably be the only people in the stadium rooting for both sides. i talked with them tonight before the first pitch in game three.

>> a.j., one of your sons is going to have his heart broken, hopefully austin, and one of your sons is going to head to the world series, hopefully aaron. that must be quite a mix of emotions. >> it's a ton of emotions running through my head right now, jake. you know, yesterday we celebrated the wednesday night win with austin. and then a few hours later, we consoled aaron. so, yeah, it's very emotional for us. but then thrilled at the same time. >> stacey, as parents, we do anything for our kids. i went to see my son, my 13-year-old, play football earlier this week. but the sacrifices you have made for your sons must have been and continue to be extraordinary. >> they are.

it's been a long ride, but it's been good. they have both worked really hard, and we would do anything for them. as you can see, we're traveling literally across the united states to support both of them. and we wouldn't have it any other way. >> a.j., you guys have literally been traveling all over the country to support your sons. since october 6th you've gone from your home in baton rouge to new york to philly back to baton rouge san diego back to philly san diego once more and back to philly. that's a grueling schedule. how are you able to do it? >> well, i tell you what, this could be a once in a lifetime ordeal, and we just made the sacrifices to -- you know, we done it when they were in little league and traveling all over for tournaments. so, now they're big league, so we're doing the same. and even though it's a gruel and

it's red-eye flights and less sleep than we really want, man, we're having the time of our lives right now. >> i'll bet. and stacey, i understand you all had planned to have a have a family dinner last night but took on babysitting so aaron and austin could go out together. how are they feeling about today? i know wednesday's matchup where austin hit off aaron and turned the game around for the padres was tough for me, so i can't imagine what it was like for aaron. >> yeah, that was hard. that was hard for all of us. but, yeah, we let them go out and have some fun. they're both doing well. i think they're going to just have some fun. >> a.j., you coached them through their freshmen year of high school. game two wednesday was the first time in postseason history siblings faced each other as batter and pitcher. what was that like for you? you were part of that. you were part of the history there. were there moments that you

wanted to get in there and coach aaron or austin at any point? >> oh, man, i am -- hey, i'm locked in on aaron's every pitch. you know, when i'm watching it on tv, i'm fighting with the tv. why they call this pitch? why they call that pitch? and i'm so into the game like i was wednesday night. i was locked in the game. and, you know, i was just hoping that he would go a little longer in the game and give philly a little bit more of a chance. but, hey, that's baseball, man. that's why i love it so much. it's unpredictable. >> he's so great. he's such an asset to the team. and stacey, i hear that you're the one who agonizes the most during games. how are you feeling about tonight, game three? >> i'm good. i mean, i'm good right now

because aaron's not pitching. so, i can just go and enjoy and whichever team wins wins and i don't have to worry about it. i get more nervous during when he's pitching. and it just magnifies to have him pitching against austin. i'm hoping that one of these teams does it in five so i don't have to see him do this again. >> phillies in five. i hear you. okay. a.j., the series is tied 1-1. do you have any feelings about tonight's game? >> well, i think musgroves got the advantage tonight over suarez, man. hey, that's my opinion on it. but on the flip side, you've got home field advantage. and we were here for the braves series in which these phillies fans were -- i mean, it shook the building. i thought there was -- the building was going to fall. no lie. you'll see it when you come.

but these philly fans are -- i don't even know how to describe them. they're supportive. they're rowdy. they are -- they cheer every single pitch. it's -- they're hungry for a championship. they haven't won it in 11 years, you know? and i think both of these teams are hungry. san diego, 16 years, never won a championship at all in any sport. so it's going to get interesting these next few games. >> well, you don't have to describe philly fans to me. i am one. stacey and a.j., congratulations on what you've done raising these two incredible boys who are also have great reputations as good people. enjoy the game. maybe i'll see you sunday. i hope to be up there. >> thank you. >> thank you, jake. >> appreciate it. >> thanks for hearing our story, man. appreciate it. >> of course.

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tim ryan is holding his own against lawyer turned author turned politician j.d. vance. voters are worried about their pocketbooks according to a new poll that shows 41% of ohioans think the most important issue this election is the economy, well over any other issue including any threats to democracy including the abortion rights battle. we should note that we have invited j.d. vance as well to come any time he wants. congressman, thanks so much for joining us. so, president biden, a lot of other democrats have been spending time and money campaigning on abortion rights. senator bernie sanders told me a week ago he thinks it's a mistake for democrats to focus entirely on that, but they should be talking more about the economy. what do you think? >> i agree. i think the economy has been the issue, the driving issue, for us here in this race the last 18 months. ohio's an economic state. people are hurting. they need help. i've been pushing the tax cut.

but we're also, you know, bringing the jobs of the future here. electric vehicles, the chip manufacturing, intel project, which will be $100 billion, solar panels in toledo, natural gas in the southeast part of the state ft it's about rebuilding the great american middle class and making sure that people have opportunity and a good job and dignified retirement and that's what we're fighting for. that's what ohio wants. >> obviously inflation and rising prices are top of mind for ohioans. that must be hurting your campaign just being in the majority party. yesterday house majority whip jim clyburn said this about the $1 trillion recovery plan that democrats passed last year. take a listen. >> let me make it very clear. all of us are concerned about these rising costs and all of us knew this would be the case when we put in place this recovery program. any time you put more money into the economy, prices tend to

rise. >> you voted for the bill. did you vote for it knowing that it would push prices up? >> yeah, no, not at all. and i think right now we need a tax cut. i mean, we were experiencing a pandemic. we did a number of rescue, you know, packages when president trump was in and again with president biden. we had to rescue the economy, and we had to take some significant investments. we are moving into a phase now and we have to return the supply chain. we've got stop the price gouging we know is happening out there. some of the big corporations are doing it. but we've got to move the supply chain back. that was the chip's act. that was the infrastructure bill and inflation reduction act. for 30 or 40 years, jake, the wealthiest people in the country shipped the jobs overseas and sold out the american workers and have hollowed out communities and the pandemic hits and we realize we're not making anything in the united states anymore, we've got to bring it back. >> yeah.

>> that's the effort moving forward, and i think in ohio there's a clear contrast. a guy like me that wants to take that issue on, take on the corporate interest and china and move manufacturing back, you got a guy like j.d. vance investing into china, making money off of it and shipping products back here. so again, the supply chains need to get back and i'm the guy in ohio to get it done. >> was jim clyburn wrong when you said that? you didn't know putting money into the economy would cause inflation? >> well, you got to remember we were coming out of the pandemic. you know, there weren't many good choices there. we needed to put some money into the economy. we had the rescue businesses, families, people on unemployment. we had to get that done, you know, i don't regret doing it. what i'm saying now is give people a tax cut so they can actually have some money in their pocket. that's the solution. >> so you were reluctant to criticize congressman clyburn

and that dove tails with the fact you've been hit hard and with a lot of ad money voting 100% of the time with speaker pelosi. with the benefit of hindsight are there any votes you regret? >> well, let me say i love jim clyburn. you know, he's one of my best friends in congress and he's a good man. and, you know, i ran against nancy pelosi, jake. you remember that. you covered that. one of the hardest things in washington d.c. to do is for you to take on your own party's leadership. and i did that. and i -- you know, i got the scars to prove it and that's the kind of leadership we need and it's great contrast to j.d. vance who donald trump said he was an ass kisser from the stage in youngstown ohio and j.d. went back up on the stage after he took his dignity from him, shook his hand and looked up to the crowd and said aren't we having a great time tonight?

i've taken my own party and agreed on reducing tariffs on solar pans from china and relaxation of title 42 at the border, the student loan issue. i've taken on former democratic administration on trade on fast track and agreed with trump on issues. i'm here for ohio. if people want an ohioan in the senate, they can help fuel this campaign. i'm not a big money guy but they can go and chip in a few bucks to help fuel this campaign. >> is there -- do you regret any votes? you voted 100% of the time with nancy pelosi. you're saying no, you don't regret anything? >> well, what i'm saying is i get -- let me just say this, jake. running against house leadership is a very, very difficult thing, so the question is do you have the courage to take on your own party? yes. i have. i got the scars to prove it. but i will say, you know, when

you are in the majority, you work issues into the bills you're going to vote on is your members can vote for it. i got the provision in the infrastructure bill so that we're going to be buying american steel, american concrete instead of chinese steel to build the bridges. the chips act, i was very instrumental in helping that bill pass. of course i'll vote for it. i wanted natural gas stuff in there. we want the electric vehicle stuff in there. i wanted the $300 billion in deficit reduction in the inflation reduction act. >> okay. >> so i helped get those in the bills and then you vote for them. so the bill's not going to come to the floor unless guys like me have what we want, the priorities for ohio in the bill. >> so lastly, we're running out of time. j.d. vance your opponent is getting a lot of financial backing from the conservative leadership fund, other national republican and conservative groups. you've complained publicly you're not getting the same help from the democrats.

why not? do you think they just don't think you can win? >> let me be clear. i'm not complaining at all. i built this campaign 18 months ago to go without the democratic senate committee because they often have not helped in places like ohio and i just take issue with the fact like some of these consultants are saying you got to put money into states that have higher number of people with college degrees. i think that's absolutely ridiculous. that goes against everything the democratic party stands for and what i'm trying to say is we have working class people. we need to respect people that don't have a college degree. we need to invest into communities that have people without a college degree to say we're going to play in this state because there is more people with a college degree. i think that's complete b.s.

i wholly reject it. i'm going to fight the party, the democratic party from going down the road where you need a college degree as a passport to get into the party. we got to start focussing on working class people and we're going to win this. we're getting fueled by 350,000 low dollar donors. j.d. vance has two donors. he has peter teal gave him $15 million and mitch mcconnell gave him $40 million from the corporations who shipped our jobs overseas. i want people to help us with this campaign go to the website and absolutely shock the world and we're going to get the democratic party back where it needs to be and that's what the focus on working people, whether they're white or black or brown or men or women, that's where the focus of the party needs to be. >> ohio democratic congressman tim ryan, thank you for your time. appreciate it. we'll be right back. >> thanks. my data shows you're not off to a good start. what? my name is wendy, i'm 51 years old, and i'm a hospital administrator. when i talk to patients you can just see from here up when you're wearing a mask. and i have noticed those lines

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