thank you for joining me tonight. our coverage continues now with the sprendiferous laura coates. >> i'll take it on a friday night. >> one per customer. apologize. >> i'm not trick-or-treating at your house. one piece of candy for each kid. >> oh, no, no. >> you hand it all out? >> yes, i don't want it in the house afterwards because i'll eat it all. >> i'm always like one piece kid

and not the one i want. >> take 20 so i don't eat them, yes. >> okay. well, go to jake tapper's house, not laura coates. you get one piece of candy and probably black licorice. >> you probably give apples. >> i've given toothbrushes from time to time. i have. not just kidding i give full cans of sodas, too. the parents hate me. >> nice. this is "cnn tonight." i'm laura coates. as i mentioned allison is on assignment. we're going to have a panelists from across the spectrum and they're on the screen right now. here is a really provocative question that we're going to tackle tonight. here it is. so what if the 2020 midterms are a repeat of 2020? i know it sounds like a very interesting proposition, maybe a scary one for a lot of people.

but what if election deniers are refusing to accept results? i'm not saying january 6th happens again but what might be the consequences of that? i'll talk to the master pollster who is scared to death what will happen and plus, the january 6th committee subpoenas that the former president. well, it's out there now but what will come next and is there enough time to really do anything about it if he were to thumb his nose at the whole thing? and the story people are talking about tonight, parents around the country, have you seen this? former daycare workers are facing felony child abuse charges after a viral video showing an adult wearing a "scream" style mask yelling in little kids' faces and chasing them around the room. it also videotaped by the way and frightened children who are screaming and crying. and it's frankly awful and inexcusable, but could someone really go to prison for this? we have a lot to talk about on the show.

we'll kick it off with the mid-terms that are 18 days away. frank, nice to see you. happy friday to you. although, i wonder, i've been reading a lot of your work and following along. i have to tell you you've been very scared at the proposition all the conversations around election deniers aren't just this aceteric thing about our democracy being in peril. tell me your thoughts. >> it's possible. this is based on focus groups and surveys that we've been doing over the past couple months and the intensity of the anger of the rejection of our political process has actually grown over the last two months and we know the gentleman who is responsible for it. one of the challenges right now is to ensure that our democratic process is respected, appreciated and most

importantly, trusted. and what we're finding right now is the same kind of fear that people have, the same anxiety about the electoral process that happened in 2020 in the weeks leading up to what is happening right now again in 2022 and while there is no presidential race at stake, there are senate races, government races, secretary of state races, attorney general races in the local states that could make a meaningful, measurable impact whether or not the people trust the electoral system. make no mistake, a lower prestige of americans trust our institutions and that's everything from education and hospitals to congress, the senate, supreme court. not just political. it's all institutions and if that trust then is -- lack of trust is passed down to our electoral system, god help us. what will get us together and get us to work together side by side? how will we find the ability to govern? >> that's the big question and as you mentioned, i'm glad you

expanded beyond obviously the presidential races that will come up in two years and thinking more about who would have an immediate impact to act on that distrust? secretaries of state in particular, a lot of focus on the senate race. i understand why and the balance of power in the house and senate but if you think what congresswoman liz cheney said during the january 6th hearings, the last one, she articulated the idea maybe the blueprint and i'm paraphrasing but maybe the blueprint is to ensure those responsible for overseeing elections are more inclined to see those votes and not demonstrate a bit of spine. is that part of your concern in those races not getting the most coverage? >> yes, and in fact why the georgia secretary of state is a true genuine hero. he's the man that stood up to donald trump and wouldn't find those votes and went public about it and continued to press it with other secretaries across the country. that your party is secondary. your country matters more than

anything else. i want to make that point for your panelists. you put on republicans and democrats. the truth is on the new cnn, we're more than just partisans. i think we are. we're about the country. we're about the future. we're about democracy and economic freedom and that requires us to call out those on the right, donald trump and frankly, those on the left stacey abrams from four years ago. we need to call out those who simply refuse to accept the election returns because that is an asset that eats away at our confidence and our country and future. >> certainly, i hope at cnn we are journalists, not partisans but i'll tell ya this, there is a comment i keep hearing about time and time again and i'm really curious about your reaction to it because we have been doing a pulse of the people here on this program and alisyn

camerota had a voter that said look, hold on a second. i doubt this election cycle for the same reason as maybe that people doubted 2016, different reasons. the truth of the matter is how do i have confidence if everyone wanted to doubt the integrity of that election and the absence of interference and now in 2020 nobody says boo in that category? can you respond how you view that level of or thought process how these are equivalent? >> skepticism is legitimate and welcome in our country. that's a reason why one of the most highly prized values now is accountability. the idea of being able to grab someone by the neck and say wait a minute, you promised x and gave us y and that ain't right. that's different than criticism. that's different than rejecting the entire system and teaching your kids and telling your friends there is no reason anymore to support democracy. the fact is there will be millions -- it's going to be a high turnout based on our polling right now but there are millions of people that won't

vote because they will think their vote won't matter or won't be counted and it's up to the people that run the elections to demonstrate, to prove without a shadow of a doubt your candidate may not win but there is a value in participating. that's whey we have to be careful about what we say and how we communicate. this is a precious fragile system now. it our responsibility to make it stronger. >> a republic, if we can keep it, right? thank you so much. nice hearing from you and hearing your insight. and do want to bring in the panel to talk about those political questions. we have scott jennings and ashley alison and kevin madden a former top aide to mitt romney's presidential campaign. on the point we were just touching on, obviously, you're never guaranteed to vote for the winner. that's not supposed to be the premise of democracy. the idea here that we have election denial that is part of campaign platforms is very ironic because the same people

that will oversee to ensure the integrity and has a system that's fair are saying you can't trust it. it really the double edged sword. i don't know it can ever really be resolved. do you see this issue? >> i think one of the big problems you have to sort of first agree on is criticism and skepticism is a bipartisan problem and not everyone thinks about how these elections are ministered all the time. so one of the things that's really key to combatting it is first of all, a much higher level of engagement from the elected officials like secretaries of state around the country about the facts, about how these elections are secure and then a much better level of engagement about the rule of law. ultimately, the vigilance on both of those, which is getting information and facts to voters

and then vigilance on the rule of law, which is that even if you have a rogue secretary of state who had -- was an election denier, that ultimately the rule of law in a state or a community jurisdiction, wherever it is that that ultimately trumps the day. no pun intended. >> it's a little bit hard at times for people. this is really one of the first elections we had since january 6th and there hasn't been the full resolution surrounding it. there is just today, the official subpoena sent to the former president of the united states and so are we a little bit looking at this in a naive way to suggest people would be able to move on and not expect there might be consequences that are felt in this midterm election just, what, 20 days, 19 days away, whatever it is? >> yeah, i mean, i want to break this down in a couple parts, though, because it was referenced stacey abrams and scott will bring that up. there is a difference between voter suppression and election denial. stacey abrams believes voter suppression took place in georgia and because of that, the votes that were cast for her

were not completely counted. they were thrown out because of either signature matching or polling places closing or you name it. she has not led an insurrection, instead, she started two organizations, one to get people to count on the census and one to get people to register to vote and then she is engaging in the democratic process. she's not tried to challenge brian kemp as governor, only with exception of on the ballot. on the other hand, you have candidates, i don't know any election deniers from 2020 that have democrats or independent or libertarians but you have a republicans who are running two-thirds of their candidates in this midterm who do not -- not just don't believe in the election, want to over throw the nature of our democracy and i think it's important to be very clear on what they are doing and the reason why they are trying to run on that platform is not just for 2022, they want to get an office so they get to administer these elections to

make our democracy weaker in 2024 and beyond. >> before you respond, i want to play for you guys. this infusions the conversation. carry lake running for office and it's a close race in arizona i should mention but she's had a bit of a reaction in talking about the idea whether she's an election denier, whether she will actually fully embrace the results, whatever they may be. listen to what she had to say just this evening talking to jonathan charles where she -- i don't know if you call it hedged but wasn't the answer people are looking for. here she is. >> i'm going to win the election and i will accept that result. >> if you lose, will you accept that? >> i'm going to win the election and i will accept that result. i will accept the results of this election if we have a fair, honest and transparent election. absolutely 100%. >> if you were to lose, you went out and had all your appeals, they went through -- >> as long as it's fair, honest and transparent. >> and certified. who will determine that? are you going to determine that or -- >> looks like my opponent might have to determine that. >> she's the secretary --

>> that's an interesting conundrum, isn't it? >> scott, when you look at that, it's the idea of an election denier which obviously has negative connotation, she's sort of threading a needle there. >> every candidate is conditioned to show confidence in their campaign. so to sit there and ask someone over and over and over and over what are you going to do if you lose? they're never going to say well, i guess you're right, i'm going to lose. no candidate is going to engage in that rhetoric. that's number one. number two, what she said is perfectly legitimate thing for a candidate to say. i expect to win if it's fair and transparent and administered fairly in my judgment. i'll accept the results. what else do you want her to say. and by the way she's not wrong. her opponent is the secretary of state. >> she's not answering it in a vacuum. it's on the backdrop of january 6th and deniers who were saying

actually if i don't win, here is what is going to happen. is it fair to use sort of the i'm not going to call it archaic because you're not old. is it a new world? >> she's certainly invited a much higher level of skepticism and scrutiny based on the fact she's supported previous theories of biden not being the elected president. so she's going to have to continue to deal with these questions. so, you know, scott was mentioning about earlier the answer is more of like a candidate discipline about i'm going to win but that scrutiny and that level of intensity that she's getting right now is wanted. >> can we go back to georgia for a second? you said some things about georgia i wanted to respond to. when you said stacey abrams believes voter suppression caused her votes not to be

counted -- flip the names. that's what donald trump believes. he believes that strange things that went on with the rules didn't allow his votes to be counted correctly or somehow inappropriately advantaged biden. they essentially believe the same thing -- >> no, no, no. >> but the rules disadvantage them and i think they're both wrong. >> no. >> how can you believe one and not the other? >> one point i want to say kerry lake mentioned that katie hobbs the secretary of state, brian kemp was secretary of state when he was running. there is parallels there. what i will say is voter suppression is part of our country's history and cases, the shelby case, we know that voter suppression is real. donald trump filed lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit and couldn't win any of them. so they're not the same thing. >> i agree with you. and stacy abrahams just filed a lawsuit in georgia, her organization, to challenge the georgia voting laws she says is voter suppression and the judge said they couldn't produce evidence of a single instance where a voter was suppressed. >> you're talking my language in the courtroom now. >> i see the parallels here. >> let me answer your question in part. it comes down to the word

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all right. it's official. the january 6th house committee finally subpoenaed former president trump. they want a whole lot of documents on his effort to undermine the 2020 election. his attorney just saying they're reviewing the subpoena and will quote respond as appropriate and

also accusing the committee of flouting norms. what happens now? joining us is our panel and broadly moss. they voted last week and it's here and steve bannon was sentenced to four months in jail. i wonder given the time line it took if trump were to thumb their nose at the subpoena, do they have the time and runway to deal with this issue if he says oh, thanks for the subpoena? no. >> honest answer, no. if the house flips and republicans take control, they will shut down the committee in january. there is no way if donald trump pulls a straight steve bannon here and says forget it, i'm not talking to you and not going to respond, if they referred him for contempt and get it to the justice department, nothing is going to come of this. neither congress through its

efforts nor the justice department is going to hold him on a simple misdemeanor of contemp of congress. if he's facing problems in the justice department, if he's facing an indictment, it's a larger issue of conspiracy to defraud the united states for january 6th. this is just something they throw in as an after thought. >> your issue or thought is not that the doj would be dismissive because it's not credible because they have other fish to fry and this would be not a nuisance but more of we have other things we want to be looking at. let me ask you this and of course, even if the were retained by democrats, this committee still gets good nighted in january no matter what. but in this subpoena itself, were you surprised by the breath of what was contained, what they were asking for? were you surprised at the timing? it was really the last thing they've done? >> we've always expected if they took this step, a step they didn't want to have to take in

the end, it would be one at the absolute end, we had all this witness testimony and documents produced and also, it was going to go towards this particular category of information and communications that they already were set on. it's dealing with the false elector scheme. it's dealing with his interactions with jeffrey clark trying to get the justice department to move in on his behalf. those are the things they're focused on which their report which presumably will come out sometime before they get good nighted will outline. that's very much where they wanted information which i don't expect to see. >> why did they wait? he was the focus of this from day one. they always knew they wanted him to answer questions and answer for january the 6th. isn't doing it now a p.r. stunt? he's not going to deal with this and the justice department isn't going to answer this. >> is it a forgone conclusion he won't play if he can have the free reign of the microphone? obviously as a lawyer i would not advise my client to speak. >> nope.

>> i think you think the same way. he's been asking when the impeachments came down, he wanted his virtual day in the court of public opinion. is it crazy to think he might say i want to talk? >> i'm not a lawyer. you're the lawyers. >> that sounds crazy to me. >> everything is crazy about this. >> i don't think he'd do it because he can't do it the way he wants to do it and the committee will not enable that. >> i want to play the audio around this point. >> that's a subject to negotiation but first, we need to hear back from him. as you know, we've asked for the documents first so that we can consider what additional questions we may wish to pose to him. >> ashley, you wanted to respond to that? >> well, i think -- i appreciate the hint to a negotiation because he is the former president. there is a little difference there. but i don't think that he -- they're going to meet and find a middle ground.

it's going to be the donald trump show or no show at all. when you ask why the january 6th committee waited for so long, we've all been waiting for the smoking gun moment where it's like trump did it and we haven't gotten it yet. i think cassie hutchinson's testimony and then the recent footage of nancy pelosi and other leaders that came from the last one and so i think they were trying to build their case and this is -- but they just never fully landed the plane where they got the evidence. i'm saying that as a democrat. again, it doesn't matter but i just think that that's why they waited so long because they thought the pieces would fall into place and the smoking gun never came out. >> you think about this going forward. i can't help but think of the phrase tit for tat. we know retaliation will be taken if the houses were claimed majority by republicans. look at this screen. here are the types of investigations that they've

already promised to actually enter into if republicans are the ones to reclaim the majority and when you think about that, i mean, is this precedent setting up to possibly open biden up to investigations to being subpoenaed in someway and having other members of the executive branch in the same position? >> they're certainly going to run. they're going to run these investigations. that's fine. that will be the prerogative. they will get information because people will comply. just like donald trump had protections when he was president and could push off the inquiries going on into his administration, joe biden is going to get to rely on the same privileges and protections. he's got supreme court precedent from the trump era that limits the power of congress to enforce his subpoenas. he's going to be able to use that to push back. let be clear, if on his way out of office, joe biden tries to instigate a crowd to go march on the capitol, i'm sure there will be a committee to investigate it. nothing like that has happened so far under joe biden's watch. >> i mean to be fair, though, the democrats and joe biden have

argued that it was wrong for donald trump's administration to stone wall or whatever. if they engage in the same tactics as you say or used the same precedence, wouldn't that be a political problem for them. the things you put on the screen are legitimate investigations, afghanistan, covid, a lot of serious stuff that our government did over the last several years, it absolutely deserves a little bit of scrutiny. and the if biden administration engages in -- that's legitimate. i don't think they should impeach joe biden. that to me is fringy. that stuff, that's legitimate government stuff and it deserves some kind of look from the government and if biden stone walls it, to me, it's a political problem. >> we'll see how it comes out in the wash. those are the possible ones and i bet and we've heard frm mccarthy and others having a retaliation. join joe griffin to reshape the u.s. government and republican party. cnn special report "steve bannon divided we fall" starts at the top of the hour.

former president obama putting out a slew of campaign endorsement ads. and you've got to see them here tonight as president biden is stumping in pennsylvania. but just who do democrats really want to be on the campaign trail with? we'll talk about it next.

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so with the midterms really looming this time, some closely watched democratic campaigns are starting to release ads that feature the former president, barack obama. pennsylvania senate candidate john fedderman and katie hobbs

among those getting obama's official endorsement. that as the former president is getting ready to stomp with candidates in georgia, in michigan and wisconsin and nevada in the next week or so. i want to bring in two radio hosts to talk about what they're hearing from their listeners. joe madison host of the joe madison show, known as the black eagle of course on sirus xm radio and mike broomhead. host of the mike broomhead show on ktar out of arizona. i'm glad to have you both here because, you know, we talk on television about the polls and what people are saying and what we think they mean but on radio, you-all know very, very well, when your callers are calling in, they will tell you what they care about. you don't even have to ask half the time. i want to ask you first, joe, about this. you are a legend in radio. >> that means i've been around a long time. >> a legend in radio. i know firsthand. you've been around awhile but you're still doing it.

that's wonderful. what do they care most about? poll after poll says the economy, the economy, the economy but day to day, how are they receiving this information? >> well, actually, they care about what they hear when you folks on cnn and, you know, talk to them. it just depends. women, clearly, the abortion issue has struck a nerve. with my audience, i can tell you that what is the biggest driving force getting my audience to the phones and to the polls. it's the marjorie taylor greenes. i'm telling you, it's the herschel walkers, it's -- >> meaning not in support of either? >> no, no, this is not about being in support but about the craziness. it's the insurrection on

january -- it's the fear that they're going to lose their democracy, they're going to lose their vote. it's hearing people talk about, well, inflation, inflation. and then you ask the other side, well, what's the solution, and they don't hear an answer. look, let me tell you. here is what is going on with my audience. we were concerned that young people wouldn't come out to vote. well, let me tell you down in atlanta, these college students have organized and they're turning out to vote and turning out on issues that impact them again like the student loan forgiveness. that's what i am actually hearing. >> i love to think about a very informed electret and those caring about the issues, not just the sound bites of it. mike broomhead, you're getting a number of calls.

your ears must be burning and people are talking about the issues of the day. i wonder for you what are the main points that your audience is talking about and what are you tapping into? >> of course, the economy for everyone here. arizona is positioned well. the experts are saying we're positioned better for a recession if there happens to be one. the big issue here has to do with the border because we're a border state. so here in arizona, it really is a non-partisan issue. obviously, i'm conservative talk radio but there are a lot of people in arizona for years talking about the border issue. 70% of the fentanyl coming into this country comes through the state of arizona. when you hear a story about fentanyl and you're a border state, that's something you're concerned about. that's a big issue. border security, the economy. the border issue is big but not as big as those other two. >> i wonder, has there been any

impact for you and your listeners has you hear about it as these ads are rolling out? the fact that really, to be fair, president biden has been campaigning around the country and they're doing what they can, they have not been rejected universally. but you do hear more and more from the former president, barack obama. how is that playing with your audience? >> what is interesting is that because of what is happening with the economy and we have senator kyrsten sinema that's someone that's gone against her party, mark kelly is running for reelection and talked about the border issues. the president doesn't as much of an impact but the former president obama, he has a big impact. just like in years past with the democratic party, it was the clinton family, the kennedys before them. the obamas do have a big impact. he's a big name here, i'd say with all due respect to the current president, president obama would have a bigger impact

with voters in arizona than the current president does. >> well, he's hoping that's the case in places like pennsylvania. i want to play for both of you the ad that dropped today in support of john fetterman in pennsylvania. >> in pennsylvania you have important choices to make this year including who represents you in the u.s. senate. that's why i'm asking you to vote for john fetterman this election day, november 8th. so when the fate of our democracy and a woman's right to choose are on the line, i know john will fight for pennsylvanians. you can count on john fetterman. make sure he can count on you. vote democrat on november 8th. >> so joe, let me turn to you on this issue. when you see this and hear this, you're smiling, it has an impact you think on many voters. >> well, of course the obamas have an impact. i mean, you know, they are probably the most loved people in the -- with the base. there is no if, ands or buts about it.

i'm going to say something that will probably upset the obamas and may upset fetterman. there is political advertising fatigue. i mean, and so look, i think people who are going to vote have already decided they're going to vote and it's one commercial after another. and that's what i'm hearing from my listeners. >> is it fatigue over the nastiness of some? not that that was a nasty one but there has been a lot of gloves off. or just the sheer volume. >> it's the sheer volume. we were talking a little bit earlier with different people today and they're saying, you know, i'll be glad when this is over. but, but, in a way that's good because i think we're going to have one of the biggest midterm turnouts than we've had in recent history.

i love your analysts and i know they go by history and what happens when a sitting president is in office. this is a very unusual midterm election and i think the historians will be rewriting history. >> mike, i'll give you the last word here because i didn't call you a legend because you weren't sitting next to me. >> i like that. that means i'm not as old. >> never mind. >> it is a small industry. you definitely are a legend in the industry. small industry. we all know who each other are. you're definitely a legend in the industry. >> thank you. >> here is my last word. in maricopa county, the number one voting group right now in registered voters is independents. then it's republicans, then it's democrats. and it's very, very close, but independent voters are the

number one in registration. there are undecided voters and that's who they have to chase. not the partisan side right or left but the independent registered voters. and whoever gets those in every one of these elections at least here in arizona, they're the ones that are going to win. >> really important point and certainly one coming in utah in particular on that very point. gentlemen, nice talking to you today. look at the faces for radio. i got to tell you, whoever said you have to have a -- >> absolutely. >> beautiful. nice to see both of you. good evening. see you back on the air soon. everyone, up next, what on earth were they thinking? i'm talking about adults at a daycare center putting on a "scream" type mask and scaring the living daylights out of toddlers. four people now former employees, they now face child abuse charges. a video of this incident has gone viral. naturally, i'll show it to you next.

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well, a video from a daycare center in mississippi has gone viral and frankly, it makes you sick to see. it shows an adult wearing some kind of halloween "scream" mask terrifying the toddlers and another adult is recording it all. here is the video. i warn you, it's hard to watch. [crying] >> are you being bad? want me to take you outside? [crying] >> why would anyone think that's okay? these are four employees of the

daycare and they have been fired. they now face felony child abuse charges and the fifth is facing charges of failing to report abuse and simple assault against a minor, both misdemeanors. back now scott jennings, ashley madison. all of whom are sitting here cringing. as a mom of little kids, i could not be held responsible for what i would have had to say seeing this video of my own child. you were a teacher, right? >> i don't have kids but i was a high schoolteacher and that would be unacceptable to teenagers. bad judgment. should never be able to teach, be around children in that kind of way. unacceptable. disgusting. >> the reason why seems even stranger. i don't think you can have a good reason why to be clear. >> yeah, i was reading the county sheriff there said they can't use corporal punishment so we think they were using the mask to scare the kids to do what they were supposed to be doing.

>> that's unacceptable. both are traumatic. i can't think about this from a law enforcement standpoint or even an employer standpoint, i can only think about it as a parent and hearing the voices and seeing the trama those kids went through, it's just really hard to watch. >> it's like a nightmare to think about anything bad happening -- but knowing they're feeling terror -- >> not even my kids. >> you drop them off at a place, this is a safe place. these adults are going to take care of you. they're feeling that way because you told them that. >> if you can't get the kids to do what you want, be better at your job. >> these are felonies. >> there is fireable. is it prosecutable? >> this gets pled down, i guess. >> it likely would. the idea, what concerns me, the choice of putting my kids in daycare versus private nanny i said day care because i thought in my mind at least i'll

have other adults that might be able to check behavior as opposed to one person. that's what was what i thought. you have all these adults that saw this. you heard that, are you terrified? are you terrified? now clean up. now the question will be whether they can prove this case if they will prosecute it. >> i don't even think as a parent i'd want to see anybody go to jail on this. i don't know. >> what would you want? >> i would want them to never ever enter into a classroom again. so i mean, i think that -- i can't speak for those parents but i know that those teachers should never be inside another classroom again. >> it's hard to figure out what these kids will go through later having a memory of this. >> especially at that age. at that age -- >> one of the parents said the kid was still having trouble sleeping. i feel like we have an epidemic of adults who can't figure out how to act in front of children. there is a bunch of people in this country that can't exercise basic decency or common sense when it comes to children. it's outrageous. >> some are politicians. some are. it's scary thinking about it.

we'll follow this story. it's really disturbing to think about. it's also time for all of you to saund saund off. we're going to read your tweets next.

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