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>> i need the police. my wife and child have been shot badly. >> alex murdaugh soon to be on trial. alex murdaugh accused of killing his wife and son. >> this trial will be one of the most watched since o.j. >> for the first time, those tied to this shocking story sit down together. >> every lawyer at this table is on trial. >> it's a good feeling to be connected to the power. >> until it comes back to bite you. >> powerful family, unsolved killings. >> how many families do you know that have five dead bodies in their orbit? >> the housekeeper died in 2018 in a slip and fall at murdaugh's home. >> he used gloria's death to enrich himself. >> 19-year-old steven smith was found dead on the side of the road. >> i want justice.

>> good evening. i'm randi kaye. many here in south carolina and around the country are left with so many questions. questions those close to the alleged crimes, which include financial fraud and murder, have been trying to answer. tonight, for the first time, alex murdaugh's victims and alleged victims, their lawyers and local reporters who for years have been covering every detail of this case, come together to talk about the man who changed their lives forever and the mystery that has shaken this community. you are brought together by really one man. some of you, you do know each other -- >> yes. >> our families worked together or went to school together. there's a connection. >> yes. >> my father owned a grocery store for 54 years, which

everyone came to that grocery store. that's what put me in the middle to be able to know everyone. >> we call him jj. >> jordan jinx, ginger and sandy grew up in the rural county of hampton, south carolina. less than 3,000 people live in the town of hampton. >> one thing about hampton also, genuine people live there. >> all your friends. childrens come to your house. they call you mom. >> right. >> hampton is also the hometown of alex murdaugh. what was alex murdaugh like as a young boy? >> kind of rough. typical friend. we were both interested in hunting and fishing and stuff like that. >> we were kids. we went to school together. i thought of him as alex. he was out and he was alex. >> he just seemed arrogant and

conceited and like i'm better than you. >> you stayed friendly or in touch with him over the years? >> absolutely. i got wedding gifts from him. i gave him gifts. i went out of town and stuff he liked, i brought it back. we were friends. i trusted him. >> alex murdaugh wasn't just a resident. his great grandfather, grandfather and father had all been the county's district attorneys or what they call solicitors. being a solicitor in south carolina is one of the most powerful positions in our legal system. >> people have trouble finding lawyers here because of the way the legal system works. you have to be careful about who you hire sometimes because of who they might be associated with. >> over a century ago, alex's great grandfather also started a

local law firm. formerly called pieters, murdaugh, parker, eltzrof. >> the firm is a plaintiffs' law firm. it specializes in wrongful death, medical malpractice, suing big corporations on behalf of victims. >> monk has been reporting in south carolina for fear lynearl years. >> the murdaughs know everybody in that county. they could count on getting juries that had the reputation of siding with them in a big way. >> something that people don't understand about the law firm and their control over hampton county, most names that i have looked up in the public index, so many have lawsuits connected to them. everybody has a cousin who has gotten money from calling them and them handling a car accident, for instance. i heard that a million times.

>> it created a loyalty. >> a loyalty and it creates a culture of silence basically. >> for sure. >> alex murdaugh, a lawyer himself, worked at his family's law firm since he graduated law school in 1994. all four of you graduated from the university of south carolina school of law, correct? >> yes. >> alex murdaugh graduated from the same school. >> randy and i graduated together. >> his brother? >> yes. >> growing up, the murdaughs, even in a different county, people knew who they were. >> i have stories i will tell you. i was talking toy a ing to a la said his old law partner got a call from old buster. >> buster is the nickname of alex murdaugh's grandfather, a

solicitor who served for 46 years. >> buster said, counselor, i know you can help me out here. my boy has gotten into trouble. he needs to be gotten out of it. i know you can handle it. the lawyer jumped right on it. within an hour, he made the calls like we could do in the good old days and make problems go away. he called buster back. i got it taken care of. it's gone. what do i owe you? he said, solicitor, i don't need to be paid. this is a favor. he said, buster then said to him, you know, counselor, if you ever need to kill a man, you bring him to hampton county. whether that was true or false, maybe a joke, but that was the reputation. that's what that community has dealt with for decades. >> that law firm did a great

deal for the county residents. but it doesn't give that law firm the right to have so much power to suppress law enforcement. >> that's what you think is going on here? >> yeah. murdaugh family did something wrong, they are guilty. we ain't playing on a level playing field when it comes to hampton county and the murdaugh family. >> exactly. >> your status in an environment, a town, should not exclude you from the law. >> right. >> you should -- if you do wrong, you should be punished like anyone else. >> i might be connected to the power for 50 years. i could pick up the phone and somebody is bothering me. >> until it cop comes back to b you? >> exactly. >> the law firm did not respond to cnn's request for comment.

the state grand jury has indicted murdaugh on about 90 charges or so. in terms of schemes to defraud victim totaling nearly $8.8 million. he has been indicted on the two counts of murder in connection with the deaths of his wife and son. as lawyers practicing for quite some time in this state, what do you make of that? >> proud. proud of our legal system. proud of our attorney general. proud of our judges. >> i want to add something. i am not proud. i am angry. i'm very angry. you asked how we feel about this. alex threw all of us under the bus. the world is looking at south carolina and every lawyer at this table is on trial because of greed. i represent the family of a 19-year-old kid who was poor, who was brutally murdered and

left on the side of the road. who gave a crap about that in 2015? >> when we return -- >> they beat him to death. >> now we know, there's missing evidence. >> a look inside the five mysterious deaths. >> i heard right after the murders that there were something on alex's shirt. >> all circling alex's orbit. >> there ain't no allegedly. this is what happened.

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maggie and alex murdaugh married in august of 1993. around that time, they had two kids, buster and their youngest son paul. that's when they met gloria satterfield. >> we grew up close. >> ginger is gloria's younger sister. how close was gloria -- >> very much. she baby-sat for them before she started doing housekeeping. paul was about 13 months old. he was just starting to walk. she would wear skirts and he would walk around and hold her skirt while she was doing the housework and stuff. >> she pretty much raised him, him and buster. she thought the world of maggie. >> double murder mystery. this morning, investigators trying to find who killed two members of one of south carolina's most prominent legal families. >> what about the murder of

maggie and paul? what is it that has surprised you the most? what still shocks you? >> liz is one of the first people that called me that morning. speechless, absolutely. >> unbelievable. >> i started making calls. i was worried that right from that moment that already this is being covered up. >> the coroner's office tells us preliminary results show both died from gunshot wounds. >> there were many thoughts that filled my mind. a mother and her 22-year-old son shot to death with two different weapons? a shotgun and some sort of ar-15. you think, two people must have done it. right? it became a big who done it. maybe alex did it. if alex did it, why did he use two guns? >> the phone kept me up. what about maggie's phone? how does that fit? >> john, you had the first story that revealed maggie's cellphone had been found in the woods?

>> right. about a half a mile away from the estate. >> it's the 1,700 acre hunting property. >> it added to the strangeness. why should somebody -- a killer apparently -- take the cell and drop it a half a mile away or a mile away? >> the feeling in the community, whoever killed the murdaughs, didn't end up here by accident or randomly. >> crimes like this that don't involve robbery, statistically come back to a family member. >> passionate crime. >> they were killed in a hail of bullets, each of them. so that does suggest the passion you mentioned. >> 911. what's your emergency? >> this is alex murdaugh. >> he says he showed up at their property and called 911 and found his wife and son bleeding. he reported them outside the dog kennels.

>> the number one thing that stood out to me was the first time hearing the 911 call. the moment you call 911 and hit send on your phone, even though no one answered and it's just ringing, it's recording on the dispatch end. the phone is dead silent. you can hear the dogs barking in the background. as soon as dispatch answers, it's this panicked alex. >> 911. what is your emergency? >> this is alex murdaugh. >> i never knew panic could get turned on and off. >> my wife and child is shot badly. >> that was so weird to me. >> you are saying he would have been panicked before that, before it started -- before anybody picked up the line. >> i hadn't picked up on that. >> he would be hyperventilating. >> evidence obtained by the state also allegedly places

alex, maggie and paul murdaugh together at the scene of the crime more than an hour before alex called 911. some of the headlines that i could share from the two of you, high velocity impact spatter connected alex to time and place of murders. that was in april of 2022. maggie wasn't staying with alex at the time. sources say alex lured maggie there. this is all from your reporting. >> i heard right after the murders that there were something on alex's shirt. it was significant. >> they may be looking at evidence, including the potential of blood spatter on murdaugh's clothing. >> the only body fluid that an investigator would find significant would be something that was small and would have come from a weapon. >> spatter is what puts him at the scene at the time of the killing. >> what he had on him. >> if it's true. >> allegedly was something that you could have only gotten from one position.

>> i would just note with great respect and as a devil's advocate, those assertions, which may be true, have yet to be tested in a court of law with alex's lawyers, who are some of the best in south carolina. >> blood spatter? i know what i read in some blog. never seen any blood swatter evidence. >> the unsolved double killings, one of the many twists and turns deepening questions surrounding this pourerful family. >> one of the things that people outside of south carolina don't understand about this entire story is, somebody may read about it and they watch cnn and learn about it and feel like this happened quickly. it did not. this was a slow burn. it was like there was no bottom to the hole that was being dug. >> he is a guy that embodies, if

you are going through hell, just keep going. >> it's the onion you keep peeling. you never get to the core. >> right. >> mike is the attorney for sandy smith, sandy's son 19-year-old steven smith, was found lying in the middle of a road in july of 2015. >> the highway patrol's incident report notes that he suffered from blunt force trauma to the head. >> his death was initial wily deemed as a hit and run. it was cold for quite some time. now they are taking another look at it because of what they say was something that was discovered after the double murder of maggie and paul murdaugh, which is really interesting. >> yeah. it was mind blowing. i have been begging them. nobody returned my call. >> coming up -- >> you are talking about a young man who is homosexual.

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that's how i met them. steven went to school with buster. >> buster is alex murdaugh's eldest son. the steven smith case was r reopened as a result of something found at the double murder scene for maggie and paul. >> steven died. he was found july of 2015. rumors were everywhere. everywhere. this is a small county. it's impossible that people didn't know what happened. people talk. >> what the talk has always been was that steven had some sort of a relationship with a murdaugh. that was going to get out. >> they took him out? >> think how courageous steven was. a young man who is homosexual who isn't hiding it, is very proud of who he is. you are talking about a small

southern town. it's taboo. >> he is wearing it proud. somebody didn't like it. it clearly had to have been related to his sexuality. don't you believe? >> 100%. south carolina and wyoming are the only two states that have no hate crimes law. >> we have have no hate crimes law? >> we can't get one passed. we have been trying and begging and fighting. >> you are kidding me? >> no. >> what happened to steven smith? >> there's so much we don't know. we know bare bones. >> where is your emergency? >> we know he was found at 4:00 in the morning on sandy run road in hampton. he was about a mile from his car. he had died of horrific blunt force trauma to his head. his skull was fractured. his wallet was in his car.

he had his cell. he was not that far from his father's house where he lived. his twin sister stefanie was also at home. i was a prosecutor for a long time. i have prosecuted cases of people having been hit by cars. this is not the scene of a hit and run. there was no debris. >> lower extremities, nothing broken and his loosely tide sneakers were on his feet? >> yes. >> every hit and run case i have ever seen, shoes blow off. >> a hit and run is extraordinarily violent. extraordinarily violent. he had some abrasions but not significant. >> what do you remember about that night and when you learned what had happened to your son? >> i was on my way to work. i heard on the radio that they had found a body in the road on

sandy run. i was like, oh, gosh, my kids live there. i called the house. >> joel was steven's father. >> stefanie answered. i said, are you okay? i heard something happened. they found a body. she said, mom, did steven spend the night at your house? i said, no. then i knew. i knew it was him. >> is that a mother's instinct? >> oh, yes. yes. because steven was my baby. we were always close. >> i know that soon after randy murdaugh called. randy is alex murdaugh's brother. >> when i was on phone with joel, he said, let me put you on hold because randy murdaugh is calling. he said, randy wants to take steven's okay pro bono. what case? because they said it was a hit and run.

>> did you think that call from randy murdaugh was strange? >> yes. it made no sense to me. >> yeah. >> really, there was no case yet. >> you didn't even know it was a case. >> his law office has said he didn't call -- he didn't know steven had died until after the funeral. >> excuse me, but alex murdaugh and randy were standing at the crime scene. >> wow. >> they were at the crime scene after steven's body was moved, randy murdaugh called and asked, was that you that just passed by? i said, yeah. he said i wish you would have stopped so i could have met you. >> at the crime scene. >> yeah. >> his office said he never officered to represent the family in any way. >> well, if you can believe anything a murdaugh says. >> they have released some of

the contininterrogations regarde case to the media. >> i don't feel like it's a hit and run. i looked at the body. >> a lot of people seem nervous to say the name murdaugh. >> the lead investigator at the time even voiced his doubts about this being a hit and run. >> typically, you don't see highway patrol working a murder. that's what this is. >> right. >> that was the lead investigator at the time. yet, you still don't have answered and you don't know who did this. >> right. >> this is either an extreme amount of corruption from very powerful people who were able to pull all of these strings, or everybody involved in this did not do their job, and that is very scary for the justice system. both sides, it's scary. >> what do you believe happened to your son steven? >> i feel like they beat him to death because the only damage was to his head. he did have some defense wounds.

he had a dislocated shoulder. it had to be somebody he knew to put his body like he was walking home. >> my heart goes out to her. this is hard to believe. >> it has been seven years and steven's case is still unsolved. his mother's attorney has yet to bring a case against the murdaugh family. >> there's no fact that i can point to other than talk, rumors, speculation and the connection of reopening the case. there's nothing connected to the murdaughs. the other thing, there are people right now in hampton who know what happened. they need to come forward. >> sandy lost her son but she is also lost her community. people were just turning their back saying, we can't say anything.

>> i want justice for my son. >> you deserve it. >> you deserve it. you do. >> that's all i want. >> yes. >> you will get it. >> yeah. one step closer. >> mr. murdaugh -- >> when we return -- >> i didn't think they were -- >> he forged my name. >> we review some of the 90 financial fraud charges alex murdaugh is facing. >> to learn that he used gloria's death to enrich himself is horrible. >> 911. >> later -- >> we were in a boat crash. >> the death of 19-year-old mallory beach. >> there was an effort by the murdaugh family to influence law enforcement. now we know there's missing evidence. wipes remove the 30% of makeup ordinary cleansers can leave behind. your skin will thank you. neutrogena®. for people with skin.

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tell me about gloria. >> gloria was special. everyone referred to her as the murdaugh's housekeeper. she was more than that. she was a sister. she was a mother. she was loved by all of us. >> 911. what's your emergency? >> my housekeeper has fallen and her head is bleeding. i cannot get her up. >> according to alex murdaugh,

in february of 2018, gloria was picking up a check at his home when the murdaugh's dogs tripped her. she fell down their front porch steps. >> i believe she hit her head and maybe has a concussion or something. >> do you know what her name is? >> gloria satterfield. >> she died three weeks later. >> maggie called alex first. >> eric bland represents gloria satterfield's estate. >> he booked it home from work. gloria was bleeding. she told him the dogs tripped me. so he said she blacked out after that. >> we all went to the hospital. alex didn't come to the hospital. nobody else came the entire time she was there the three weeks. >> you don't believe your sister was killed? >> no, no. we still think it was an accident.

>> ginger doesn't believe alex murdaugh killed her sister, but he is liable for another nefarious act in connection with her death. you discovered this insurance document related to the gloria satterfield case. >> i remember turning to liz and being like, a curse word or two. my god, whoa. >> there was a settlement. >> alex murdaugh along with another attorney had devise aid scheme to sue his insurance company for the death of gloria satterfield, promising to give the money to gloria's two surviving sons. the sons never saw what totaled $4.3 million. >> my name is tony, one of gloria's younger sons. >> whetn you think about your sister's loyalty to the murdaugh family and to alex and now you know he defrauded her sons $4.3

million -- >> they never got a dime. >> what do you make of that? >> to learn that he used gloria's death to enrich himself is horrible. >> it's a heartbreaking story. >> ruthless. >> ruthless is a word for it. >> people wonder, how did they go and -- they steal all the money. well, they had practice. >> what did happen? >> well, the story is tragic. august 2009, there's this bad wreck. everybody is tremendously injured. ha hakeem, he was deaf. now he is a quadriplegic. they didn't know about alex or the murdaughs like that. they get referred there. >> alex murdaugh represented

members of the family and sued the makers of the tires over the crash. according to the family lawyer, when the settlement money came in, greed took over. he had a settlement and then he chose to not pay it to hakeem's family, allegedly. >> there ain't no allegedly. this is what happened. some of the money went where it was supposed to go. a large portion of it didn't. approximately $1 million. >> alex murdaugh's alleged accomplice was russell lafette, a former ceo of a bank. murdaugh convinced the family to hire him as their conservator and then funneled the money through the bank back to himself. a scheme they allegedly contacted with this woman. >> we were on i95 coming through

hampton county. a fire blew out which caused our collision. >> mother dies instantly. brother dies instantly. >> eric bland is her attorney. >> she's pinned in the back of the car. you are talking about 2009, the case settles for $9 million. huge settlement. they have to have somebody help them manage their money. >> russell was the conservator for her and her younger sister. >> over the course of them being 11 and 18 years old, as a conservator, he loaned money to himself and to alex murdaugh from a conservatorship account. he loaned himself over $600,000. he loaned over $800,000 to alex murdaugh. these girls would get nsf checks come back to them, not sufficient funds, because he had spent all the money.

>> i remember him telling me, these people took your mom and your brother, because of their mistake. you are not going to have to work another day in your life. knowing that, i'm over here pinching pennies -- >> he was limiting your funds. >> definitely. >> it's horrible. it's a horrible thought. kids that are in need and scared to ask to get money to buy something they need. here they are, they are spending it like it's nothing. >> that's heartless to have whatever you need and you can't get to it because of somebody's making the decision for you. >> jordan jinx is alex's childhood friend. >> i had a car accident. i was rear ended by a pool company out of hilton head. i called alex. that was the first person i called. >> alex murdaugh got a settlement for you.

>> absolutely. >> and that money came right to you? >> not all of it. >> alex murdaugh allegedly defrauded jordan of $150,000. he was a friend. he convinced you he is working for you. >> and doing everything above and beyond for you. >> i trusted alex like a brother. alex and i ate off the same plate. >> if he is willing to do that to a childhood friend, he will do it to anyone. >> russell pleaded not guilty to a federal indictment, alleging he helped murdaugh steal from the mutual clients. his trial is set for november. their lawyers did not respond to a request for comment about these financial fraud charges. when we return -- >> this trial will probably be one of the most watched since o.j. >> what happens next? >> all he has to do is flip one juror who is going to say he is not guilty.

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>> 9 i11. >> we're in a boat crash. >> in february of 2019, 19-year-old mallory beach was killed while boating with five other friends, including alex murdaugh's youngest son paul. paul was allegedly driving the boat intocintoxicated and crash. mal mallory's body was found eight days later. >> we knew that the accused driver was paul murdaugh. who also happens to have all these influences around local cops. >> i'm fine. >> you sure? >> i'm fine. >> what's your last name? >> murdaugh. >> we kept asking for the initial police report. the incident report.

we didn't get -- i didn't get that until 2021. that is so odd to me. usually you can get an incident report. >> you were suspicious? >> very suspicious. everything was suspicious. >> we had good sources in law enforcement. they told us the fix is in already. >> in the incident report, law enforcement did not specify who was driving the boat. this lawyer represents one of the surviving passengers. >> as a prosecutor, i have seen done in every dui case, every felony dui and boating under the influence cases, it's law enforcement 101, police academy 101, you separate the people, you figure out who was driving, you none of that occurred in this case. now we know there's missing evidence. >> directly after the boat crash

the passengers were transported to the hospital, and according to the hospital staff, alex murdoch and his father went from room to room attempting to speak to the remaining survivors, and cook said he told him to keep his mouth shut and to inform law enforcement he did not know who was driving. >> what happened? >> there was an effort by the murdoch family to influence law enforcement. >> how does alex get to go to the accident scene with his father and start to direct people around like that. it doesn't happen anywhere else but the privileged. >> paul would never face trial. he and his mother, maggie murdoch, were killed nearly two and a half years after the

boating accident. three months after the double homicide -- alex murdoch claimed somebody tried to kill him, too. >> i have a flat tire, and somebody stopped to help me and when i turned my back, they tried to shoot me. >> oh, okay. were you shot? >> yes, but i'm okay. >> his lawyers later admitted in court it was a fake suicide attempt. he admits he was trying to do this to get this $10, million i life insurance for his son, buster. do you buy that the motive was he was looking out for his -- >> no, he was trying to divert the attention away from him. >> from the get-go, it was a employ to promote the ninja

warriors are after me. >> attorneys for him said for the last 20 years there have been many people feeding his addiction to opioids, and alex is not without fault but one of many whose life has been affected by opioid addiction. what do you think about that? >> can he talk? >> his face says it's all. >> it's hard when you are on tv to respond to that. it's all bullshit. >> was there any sign he used opioids? >> yes, and no. >> before i would have went to his defense, 200%. >> now you know he had to be on some sort of stuff? >> had to be. >> what say you, richard my murdoch, are you guilty or not guilty of the felonies you stand

indicted? >> not guilty. >> his first trial, the double murder of maggie and paul is set for january of 2023. >> mr. murdoch, you plead innocent? >> alex murdoch's lawyers are some of the most prominent in the state. >> you believe the killer or killers are still at large, and -- >> mr. murdoch, did you kill your wife and son? >> if you didn't do it, who did? >> i am nervous they will try this murder case first. it's a circumstantial evidence case and he has an excellent lawyer, and all he has to do is flip one juror who is going to say he's not guilty and it's a hung jury. >> alex murdoch's lawyers declined to participate in an interview but did release a statement to cnn saying in part,

alex is looking forward to his day in court, and we are confident he will be acquitted, and he hopes whoever is responsible for maggie and paul's death will be brought to justice. >> this trial will be one of the most watched trials since o.j.'s. >> talex murdoch has admitted i court to stealing the insurance funds that belong to gloria's estate, and smith's case has been reopened. what are your thoughts on the public perception of this county now that the murdoch name is out there and the case is getting national attention? what do you think people think of this county, this place where you grew up?

>> well, a lot of people ask me, they can't believe that such a small community, that people that know this stuff was going on in their county, and of course we have no clue what was going on because they were hiding, because it was that one group of people that were in together. >> to us, it's still home, you know. >> i think this bad thing is going to be a great thing for the county. >> yeah. >> because of the choke hold, the power that they had over the county. there's a great hope that the county will start its blossoms because of this. >> oh, yeah, because that power -- >> it's diminished.

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