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beloved actor leslie jordan has died. he was best known as beverly leslie in a recurring role on "will & grace." jordan's character as karen's frenemy was laugh out loud hilarious. he won fans during the pandemic with his body video posts. just watch this. >> well, hello fellow hunker downers. just having to make up things to do to pass the time. i came up with a good one today. i painted my toenails. >> jordan died after a car accident this morning in los angeles. he was 67 years old. thanks so much for being with us. anderson starts now. good evening. just 15 days until midterm elections and new developments to bring you across the board
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tonight. there's new cnn polling of likely voting in two key senate races in wisconsin and pennsylvania. wisconsin showing no clear leader in the showdown between incumbent republican ron johnson and democrat mandela barnes. pennsylvania with document lieutenant governor fetterman narrowly ahead of mehmet oz. we learned late today that former president obama will be campaigning there along with president biden on the final weekend before election day. a party official familiar with the planning telling cnn they've got appearances scheduled for pittsburgh and philadelphia with the possibility of adding more. early voting is under way there and in 38 other states. so far turnout has been heavy on pace with the record 2018 midterms with nearly 7.3 million ballots already cast. with it, we've already seen multiple reports of voter intimidation, including two armed men dressed in tactical gear sported at a ballot drop box in mesa, arizona, friday night. attorney general merrick garland was asked about it this
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afternoon. >> the justice department has an obligation to prevent -- to guarantee a free and fair vote by everyone who is qualified to vote and will not permit voters to be intimidated. >> a bit later in the program, you'll meet one arizona grandmother who was not intimidated by those two armed men you saw. she confronted them and as she put it, i take care of business. as to the bigger threat picture, we learned today that the fbi and sheriffs representing some of america's biggest counties have already discussed the possibility of misinformation fueling violence at polling stations during the midterms. late today, samantha vinograd, the former cnn contributor who is currently the department of homeland security's top counterterrorism official described it as, quote, incredibly heightened. we begin with the pennsylvania senate race and tomorrow's debate, which will have real-time closed captioning on the debate stage to accommodate john fetterman's difficulty right now filtering and interpreting sound since a stroke back in may. it's a condition, according to
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doctors, that doesn't affect the pennsylvania lieutenant governor's intelligence or thinking, and this weekend his republican opponents sought to downplay the health angle. he has, however, made an issue at other points during what has already been a bruising campaign from both candidates. minnesota democratic senator amy klobuchar has been helping lieutenant governor feddetterma get ready for tomorrow's debate. first i just want to start with these cnn polls that show democrats more or less holding their ground in three key states. obviously still very close. they're been recent polling that suggests momentum is moving toward republicans. does your party need to make any course corrections over the next two weeks? >> i think actually these cnn polls are positive here, and i've seen a number of other ones like this. tammy baldwin told me in wisconsin exactly what that poll shows. it's tied there. this is about voter turnout. i've lost my voice because i've gone to so many voter turnout events. this is about getting people to
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realize what's on the line here. democracy is on the line. the future is on the line. we've got candidates who will take on pharma. we've got candidates that are willing to take on price gouging, and actually stand up for people. and i love our candidates, and one of those candidates, of course, is john fetterman in pennsylvania, who has first of all the one attribute. he actually lives in the state. we like that, unlike his opponent, who appears to have spent a lot of time in new jersey, and pennsylvania's john fetterman. they know him as lieutenant governor. they know him as mayor of braddock, and they know he's someone who has their backs. >> you participated in this event over the weekend and the event used the closed caption-like technology that he's using in his stroke recovery. can you just explain what that was like, how you expect him to do in a debate tomorrow night with dr. mehmet oz? >> yeah. i mean it's pretty straightforward, anderson. first of all, he spoke with no notes, just like he will be at
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the debate, and he just answered questions. we went back and forth and had a conversation. and the only difference is the words that the moderator says or that his opponent will say are up on the screen so he can read them at the same time he hears them. that's all it is. all of his own words will be spoken from the heart. now, you know, he was never a polished debater to begin with. dr. oz has had a show for 20-some years. but i think what the people of pennsylvania know, what i've seen being out there, is they know that john fetterman is not your typical politician. he's super tall. he's got tattoos. he came into politics starting a ged program for kids that hadn't gotten their high school degree, something that helped my own sister by the way in other state. so i just think that they get who he is. so we know part of his thing is that he sometimes mixes up words here and there. he'll probably say a few words
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wrong like we all do. that's going to happen. but the point of it is when they look the at the two candidates, it's about who has got my best interests at heart. for whom,omen, who's going to s up for my reproductive health care, a guy who says he's not for abortion or -- >> when you were looking in his eyes and talking to him, i mean, does he -- i mean what's it like having a conversation with him? his cognition is -- would you say it's totally normal? >> yes. it's actually backed up by what the doctor said. there was a doctor's letter that came out saying he was strong, no coordination issues, no cognitive issues. he teased me about the vikings/eagles game. okay. we talked about a lot of things. we talked about the dress code in the senate and, you know -- >> he may have trouble with that. >> jeans shorts friday. but it was a normal conversation
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except that, yeah, he looks at the words because he needs to do that. he's five months out of a stroke, and he's shown us what resilience is all about. >> i want to ask you -- >> i think that's really important here. >> i want to ask you something about what republican senator ted cruz said today on "the view." he was asked multiple times about whether he believed president biden was legitimately elected. he ignored the question the first time. the second time he said this. >> was biden legitimately elected because half the party thinks he wasn't and -- >> listen, biden is the president today. there's a lot of folks in -- >> legitimately. >> hold on. i'm answering exactly that question. there's a lot of folks in the media that try to, any time a republican is in front of a tv camera, try to say the election was fair and square and legitimate. you know who y'all don't do that to? you don't do it to hillary clinton. >> it is remarkable the lengths that senator cruz is willing to go to, to avoid stating a simple fact. is that just because he, like so many republicans, are scared of trump and trump voters in his
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state? >> that's part of it. but, anderson, let's not forget. ted cruz was one of the few senators that actually voted against certifying those electoral college results in those key votes for arizona and pennsylvania that we had on january 6th, late in the evening, after the insurrectionists had basically assaulted the capitol and our police officers. so that was his position then. i'm not surprised it hasn't changed. but i think what the voters out there have to understand is what those guys didn't accomplish with bear spray and batons and bayonets back on january 6th, they're now trying to do with voter suppression laws and, which you just pointed out at the beginning of your program, people show up in gear at voting places to scare people. that's what's happening. so if anything, as we saw in georgia in that last election in the run-up, it makes voters mad. they want to turn out and say,
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you know what? this is our democracy, and you're not going to take it away from us whether you're independents, democrats, moderate republicans. and i think that is a factor for a lot of voters. donald trump's shadow, as you could see from ted cruz's answer, is still looming above this election. so that's why i'm all in with fetterman and catherine cortez masto, mandela barnes, all of our candidates, judge beasley and val demings, and tim ryan, who i was just with a few days ago in ohio. against all odds, is in a tie in ohio, and i think can win that race. so i don't want to hear anyone counting out our candidate because it all comes down to who shows up to vote. and you want to have ted cruz and you want to have donald trump in your face every day, or you want to move forward and help people in this economy and get things done for them. that's what this election's about. >> i appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> thanks, anderson. another compelling and
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potentially decisive race is missing the traditional partisan dimension shun. it's in utah between mike lee and evan mcmullin. mcmullin is running as an independent, same as he did in 2016 when he ran against the former president. he's saying he won't caucus with either party if elected. we invited both on the program. evan mcmullin joins us tonight. you've made the january 6th insurrection central to your campaign. do you believe that if elected, you'll find more common ground on protecting democracy with republicans or democrats? >> well, i think there is a pro-democracy coalition to be had in the senate, anderson. and we've got democrats, of course, and i think there are some republicans who would join us. but the bottom line is if we're going to protect our democracy in america, we have to build across partisan coalition to do it because democrats don't have the votes on their own. principled republicans don't have them either.
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neither do independents. we have to come together. that's what we're doing in utah. senator lee tried to overturn our last election and our democratic republic with fake electors and utahns aren't having it. that's why we're building a coalition to replace him. i think we need to do the same across the nation. >> the other republican senator from utah, mitt romney, has not endorsed you or senator lee, citing his friendship with both of you. it's extraordinary for a sitting senator of the same party to not support his home state colleague for re-election. senator lee, i think, has pleaded on tv for senator romney's endorsement. do >> look, i'd have to defer to senator romney. he can only speak to that. but i will say that senator romney and senator lee are two very different kinds of senators, anderson. one, on the part of senator romney, he works across party lines to get things done. he's remained committed to his oath to the constitution to
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defend it. senator lee has done the opposite. he's one of the least productive members of the senate in 12 years of service. he's only passed ten bills. a good number of them were naming federal buildings. he refuses to work with members of his own party, let alone democrats, to get things done. and he's betrayed his oath to the constitution when he tried to help president trump remain in office despite the will of the people. it's something that had they been successful, i think would have ended or led to the end of the american republic. and for all of those reasons, i think it isn't a surprise that senator romney, who knows senator lee best, is refusing to endorse him, and that's why, again, we're able to build a large coalition to replace senator lee. >> outgoing gop congresswoman liz cheney said yesterday that if republicans nominate the former president again in 2024, the party will splinter. there will be a new conservative party that rises up. a, do you think that's true? b, would you be inclined to support her if she would run for president in 2024?
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>> well, i certainly believe that she would make a compelling candidate. i'm hopeful that there will be candidates like her, perhaps her precisely running either as republicans or otherwise. we certainly need principled conservatives representing those of us who consider ourselves still conservatives, meaning in my view or as it pertains to me, i'm committed to our core values that we're created free and equal and to the institutions that protect those values like our elections and our constitution. i think senator -- or i think, rather, liz cheney fits that description as well. there are others. i hope to see more of them running for office and hopefully pulling the party away from its current direction. but we'll just have to see if that's the case or not. >> yeah. evan mcmullin, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you. coming up next, a closer look at the appearance of armed men at a polling place in arizona over the weekend and some late word about arizona's
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1111 masters blvd. please. that'll be 11 even, buddy. really? the clues are all around us... some things are too obvious to be a coincidence. ♪ at the top of the program we told you about a new assessment from a top homeland security official describing the threat environment ahead of the midterm elections as, quote, incredibly heightened. also just in, arizona's secretary of state tonight said she sent additional reports of what they call multiple -- excuse me -- potential voter intimidation to the state's attorney general's office and the federal justice department. we should point out the secretary of state, katie hobbs, is the democrat running for governor in the state. in any event, the new alleged incidents come in addition to the one that got so much attention over the weekend. cnn's kyung lah has more.
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>> reporter: outside an early ballot drop box in mesa, arizona, two men armed, wearing tactical gear, watching voters. a vigil taking place over multiple nights. >> hi, guys. >> reporter: one woman, a phoenix-area grandmother, decided to confront them. >> hey! >> reporter: why did you decide to go out there? >> i'm standing up and pushing back against those people and standing up for everybody's right to vote. >> you don't mind if i set up right here, do you? >> without fear of retaliation or any kind of intimidation. >> hi. how are you? >> reporter: she asked we not show her face because she did this, went right up in the armed man's face. >> you know, i don't talk. i take care of business. i go out there and do what i have to do. >> nice to meet you. >> i push back against these kind of people, people who are intimidating voters. >> he's putting that in my face. i'm sitting down. he's with a gun standing over top of me. >> and i'm standing up and
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pushing back against those people and standing up for everybody's right to vote without fear of retaliation or any kind of intimidation. >> i'm just sitting here. i'm not even communicating with them. i'm sitting right here. >> you know, seeing that, you would think you were in, you know, some autocratic nation and not the united states of america. >> reporter: two outdoor ballot drop boxes in maricopa county have become an election flash point. around the clock, so-called ballot watchers, are camped out. late sunday night, we saw this group of women at the same drop box. >> you're not supposed to talk to anybody? >> reporter: they didn't want to talk. at another drop box in downtown phoenix, they're photographing voters, and already these actions are impacting how voters feel. according to complaints filed and referred to the department of justice last week, one voter complained he was called a mule.
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that's a reference to a conspiracy movie that spread lies about the 2020 election. >> i'm talking about people who have spread lies. >> reporter: bill gates, a republican who has defended the election process, two years of lies have come to this. >> why are you in camouflage? how is that going to keep people from seeing you? you're in a parking lot. we're really losing rationality and logic here. >> reporter: arizona has lived through the discredited partisan review of maricopa county's 2020 ballots. and now republicans on the midterm ballot, like gubernatorial nominee kari lake, are raising doubts about this november's election before a single vote has even been counted. >> i'm afraid that it probably is not going to be completely fair. i wish i could sit here and say i have complete faith in the system. i don't have faith in this system. >> we begin to look at defining fence. >> reporter: republican secretary of state nominee mark finchem urged followers on social media to watch all drop
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boxes and made a conspiracy reference to democratic donor george soros. >> this is why we have elections, to avoid these sort of confrontations. it's been normalized in some way over the past few years. but we're not going to normalize it here in maricopa county. i encourage people, let's take the temperature down. >> kyung lah joins us from mesa, arizona. i understand the sheriff of maricopa county has weighed in on these incidents as well. >> reporter: he says that basically this doesn't meet a threshold for a crime. he was specifically asked, what can you do about this? and he says he's going to expend resources. i can see two sheriffs patrol vehicles sitting nearby. they are keeping watch on this. there are undercover deputies here as well. but that there is a right to bear arms here in arizona, and the tactical gear, while he considers it very unfortunate, it is clothing of their choosing. and what is still happening out
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here, anderson, is this is the box over my right shoulder, very innocuous. we are seeing people vote. but this is still continuing. you can see these folks on these lawn chairs. it doesn't appear any of this particular group is armed. that's usually when the sun comes down that people here and deputies here have told us that they show up. the sheriff did say that he's working with the department of justice to see if any of this might be impeding the vote, and if this is a violation of a federal crime. one thing i should add, anderson, is that a lawsuit has been filed by a couple of activist groups and organizations seeing if they do actually believe that this is a violation of civil rights of a voter and hoping to stop this. anderson. >> kyung lah, appreciate it. a new development in georgia's criminal probe into the 2020 election. senator lindsey graham, who has been trying to avoid testifying before the atlanta-area special grand jury, got some help today from the supreme court associate justice clarence thomas, who is response for emergency appeals
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for the jurisdiction, temporarily freezing a lower court order for the senator's testimony. cnn's paula reid joins us now with more. what does it mean for senator graham and the georgia investigation? how long does this freeze last? >> reporter: this is a temporary win for the senator, anderson. so far he has been unsuccessful in convincing lower courts to block the subpoena from the atlanta-area grand jury, where investigators want to question him about calls that he made following the 2020 presidential race where he allegedly asked about absentee voting procedures in the state as well as voter fraud. now, again, this is not the final word in this case. the senator has argued, though, that he should not be able to be questioned about things that he said were constitutionally protected legislative activities that he was carrying out in the course of his job as a senator. again, he wasn't able to convince two lower courts of that argument. the supreme court has temporarily put a hold on the subpoena that was dated for november 17th, and they've given
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georgia investigators until thursday to respond. it's expected these questions will go to the full court. >> can you just explain for people why this was justice thomas' decision to make? >> reporter: that's a great question, anderson. he's responsible for handling emergency appeals from the 11th circuit, where this case generated. but, of course, as we know, he's been under a lot of scrutiny after it was revealed that his wife, ginni thomas, a conservative activist, was pressuring trump white house officials to try to overturn the 2020 election. there have been calls for him to recuse himself from any cases related to election interference. clearly he did not do that here. but, again, this is more of an administrative move. this case, these questions about whether the senator will have to potentially testify before this grand jury, those have not been answered on the merits just yet by the high court. >> paula reid, thanks. just ahead, a conversation with john kirby about russia and the threat of dirty bombs in ukraine. also tonight, we'll go live to the war zone. 911's clarissa ward is in
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ukraine was planning to use a dirty bomb. more on that story in a moment. we first want to give a few minutes on the state of the war in the south of ukraine around the strategically important city of kherson. ukrainian officials say russia brought more military units there today, and russian missiles struck the nearby city of mykolaiv this weekend. that's where cnn chief international correspondent clarissa ward is tonight. she's focusing on the plight of civilians in both cities. >> reporter: by now, it has become a familiar routine in mykolaiv. in the relative calm of daylight hours, residents comb through the wreckage of the night before. on this day, it's an apartment building on the outskirts of town. two russian s-300 missiles hit at 1:00 in the morning. so this here is where the first strike hit, and then you can see the second one just smashed into the top of that building. five people were injured, but
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miraculously, no one was killed. in one apartment, andrei is busy cleaning up. he tells us this is what the russians do. they shoot not at military objects but where people live, he says. the fact is the anger towards them is rising, and it won't go away, not in a month, not in a year, not even ten years. in this southern port city, people have become used to hardship. since april, there has been no fresh water here. the main pumping station was hit in a russian strike. now they gather every day and patiently wait to stock up. a few blocks down, another line, this one for humanitarian aid. "will i be able to get something today?" this old woman asks. "we already have 100 people on the list," the organizer replies. mykolaiv is less than 20 miles
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from the nearest front lines and just 35 miles from the russian-held city of kherson. last week, russia announced that civilians must leave kherson, warning of an imminent ukrainian attack. ukraine called it propaganda to distract from recent ukrainian military gains. it is difficult to get a picture of what's really going on in kherson, but we managed to connect with one resident who we will call vitali, who took these videos. the streets, he says, are empty, but there are people in the markets. most vendors no longer want to take russian rubles as they prepare for a potential russian withdrawal. do you have a sense of whether russian forces have left the city or not? >> translator: there are fewer russian soldiers here, but you find them around the city. several days ago, there was a rotation, and they brought in new soldiers. part of the soldiers who were here for a while, they left, and the new ones came.
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probably they are mobilized, conscripts. they don't even know what city they're in. >> and why did you decide to stay? are you not frightened? >> translator: it's our city. we believe that we have to wait until our army comes. i can't say we are not afraid. we are afraid. but this is our decision. >> reporter: the people who remain in mykolaiv have made a similar decision. back at the strike site, the cleanup has already begun as the city braces itself for the next attack. >> clarissa joins us now from mykolaiv. just to see that little boy cleaning up, it's just so sad. the physical hardships, the threats are clearly taking a toll. how are people steeling themselves for what remains to come? >> reporter: well, i mean we just heard tonight from president volodymyr zelenskyy, anderson, saying that ukrainians should prepare themselves for
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the toughest winter yet. and based on what we've been seeing on the ground, it is going to be a very grim winter indeed. there's complete blackout as you can see behind me, and a curfew. that's not because of the hits on the infrastructure. it's because of security reasons, because mykolaiv is getting hit so often. but that is being compounded by the fact that you do now have rolling blackouts, very limited use of electricity, no fresh water since april. people here really have to bathe or take showers in salted water. so it's clearly not a sustainable situation, but at the same time, people just don't want to leave their homes. they don't want to leave their property. we met a lot of people like andrei, the man who was cleaning up his apartment, who say they've sent their families away for their own security, but they're determined to wait here until the bitter end. and based on everything we've seen and everything we're hearing and the direction things are moving in as we get into
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winter and russia continues to pound civilian infrastructure, it is going to be bitter indeed, anderson. >> clarissa ward, be careful. thank you. next, the threat we mentioned about the possible use of a dirty bomb. russia's claim without evidence that ukraine was preparing to use. what is essentially a device that contains conventional explosives along with radioactive materials. there are concerns russia is making a claim as a justcation to escalate the war or perhaps use such a bomb themselves. perspective from national security spokesperson john kirby. admiral kirby, appreciate you joining us. how concerned is the united states and nato about these dirty bomb allegations that russia is making against ukraine? >> wit's deeply concerning and think you can pick up the tone and tenor from the readout the pentagon gave after secretary austin's call with his russian counterpart. certainly we know that these are faults allegations. there is no such dirty bomb planned by the ukrainians. that's just false. but that the russians would raise it at their request, they
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initiated that phone call, certainly gives us pause for concern. i will tell you, anderson, we watch this as closely as we can, including today, and we've just not seen any kind of preparations moving in that regard right now. >> what sort of preparations -- i don't know if you can say, but what sort of preparations would one see or could one see of a preparation for a dirty bomb attack? >> yeah. look, you would examine all kinds of different sources of intelligence, both from the ukrainians on the ground as well as other ways that you can kind of divine some information about what the russians may be planning to do and how they're preparing for it. it could range from the way they're talking to one another to sort of the range of actual physical movement. and, again, we're watching this very, very closely, and we're just not seeing anything that would give us pause right now to think that this kind of an attack or this kind of false flag would be imminent. >> this does seem something out of the russian playbook. i feel like we have seen this before from russia.
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>> it is not uncommon for the russians to blame others for what they are doing or what they are planning to do, which is again why, you know, we took the call seriously and made that public for what the russians were alleging. and it wasn't just us. the brits, the french, and other countries as well made that public. so it is of a piece of the kinds of false flag pretext operations that the russians are known for. again, that's what gives us the concern. >> does the u.s. currently have the diplomatic channels to be able to communicate with russia in the event of some sort of nuclear crisis? >> yes, indeed we do. we still have an embassy in moscow, and we certainly have communications with our russian counterparts both at the defense department and at the state department. and there's also a deconfliction channel which is used more for tactical stuff around the eastern flank of nato that's set up in europe at european command to speak to the russians at that
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level. so there are multiple ways of communicating, and it's important right now, as we've said throughout the last eight months, that while we don't want business as usual with russia, we believe it's important for our bilateral communications to stay open. >> today there was a group of 30 house democrats who sent a letter to president biden urging what they called a proactive diplomatic push to seek a cease-fire. last week in an interview, house minority leader kevin mccarthy suggested a republican house would be less willing to provide aid to ukraine. is the white house concerned about being able to continue to provide support ukraine needs or wants? >> we've been getting terrific bipartisan support, both sides of the aisle, for the last eight months, even beyond that. and certainly there's strong public support for supporting ukraine. we're grateful for that, and the president's going to continue to work with congress going forward. i'm not going to get ahead of the midterms and how things might or might not shake out. we believe there's strong bipartisan support for supporting ukraine, and we don't believe that that's going to
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change appreciably going forward. i think everybody understands not just on capitol hill but throughout the country what's at stake here with ukrainian sovereignty and their ability to defend themselves. >> admiral john kirby, appreciate it. thanks. >> yes, sir. up next tonight, we are getting new details on today's deadly shooting in a school in st. louis. what police are saying tonight, next. among my patients, i often see them have teeth sensitivity as well as gum issues. does it worry me? absolutely. sensodyne sensitivity gum giveus the dual action effect that really takes care of both our teeth sensitivity as well as our gum issues. there's no question it's something that i would recommend. i remember when i first started flying, and we would experience turbulence. i would watch the flight attendants. if they're not nervous, then i'm not going to be nervous. financially, i'm the flight attendant in that situation.
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a gunman shot and killed two people in a high school in st. louis today. seven more people were wounded. there are many unanswered questions about the incident, which as we know is not uncommon with this type of attack. st. louis police did just hold a press conference. cnn's adrian broad does is at the scene with the latest. what more have we learned about those who were killed and the condition of those wounded? >> reporter: anderson, good evening to you. we've learned that a 19-year-old is accused of killing at least two people inside of this school. a 16-year-old female student and another 61-year-old female alumni told me a short moment ago the 61-year-old was a teacher here. the others injured are all
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teenagers, 15 or 16 years old, with a variety of wounds, including a fractured ankle and others. at least three of them had gunshot wounds, anderson. >> did the commissioner say how the suspect was able to enter the school with the gun? >> reporter: he did not, and he was clear when reporters asked repeatedly. he said he didn't want to give that information because he does not want what happened at this school to happen here again or at any other school across the country. but he did say the weapon that shooter used was not concealed. >> when he entered, it was out. there was no mystery about what was going to happen. he had it out and entered in an aggressive, violent manner. this could have been much worse. the individual had almost a dozen 30-round high capacity magazines on him. so that's a whole lot of victims there. but because of the quick
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response, that suspect didn't have the opportunity to turn this into -- it's certainly tragic for the families, and it's tragic for our community, but it could have been a whole lot worse. >> reporter: and the commissioner says it could have been a whole lot worse, but he credits the quick response by members of law enforcement, that call for an active shooter came in around 9:11. about four minutes later, members of law enforcement showed up on-scene. at 9:23, they engaged with that shooter. and at 9:25, that 19-year-old was down according to the commissioner, anderson. >> appreciate it. thank you. just ahead, we remember the life of someone that we got to speak and laugh with a great deal over the last couple of years. actor, instagram star leslie jordan, who died today. the all-new lexus rx. looking good... always. never lose your edge. ♪
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life and his light. leslie was funny, and he was kind, and i was fortunate enough to talk with him a bunch of times over the last couple of years. he was the same person on-camera as he was off. he was the person that millions of us fell in love with on instagram during the early days of the covid pandemic or on "will & grace," where he won an emmy for his recurring character. leslie jordan was hilarious. he was unpredictable. he would tell you stories about betty white bopping him over the head with a fake frying pan during a scene on a tv show that he claimed sent him flying through the air. but apart from the too good to fact check stories he would sometimes tell, which is part of that southern charm of his, he was also bravely open and refreshingly honest. whether it was about growing up gay in the south or about the death of his father in a plane crash at the age of is 1 1. the first time i interviewed him was in 2020, and i want to play part of that conversation now. you can't really know leslie
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jordan until you hunker down with him. the clip starts with video from his instagram account. >> are y'all watching netflix? honey, i conquered netflix. i watched them all. i watched the one about the tigers. i watched the one about the boy who tortured kittens. i watched the one about the nun who got killed in 1969. i watched the one about ivan the terrible. there is nothing left for me to watch. but i'm not about to turn on the news. they want to make you think it's like the end of the world. they don't know [ bleep ]. i will turn on anderson cooper because people have said that we resemble. we both have white hair. >> leslie jordan joins us now. god bless you. i am so thrilled that you're here. you give me such joy. i'm so honored that people say
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we resemble. i can't tell you how many people come up to me and say, leslie, is that you? i made that up. but, you know what? you're making up stories all the time. and you confess them on instagram. you made up a story that you've been telling apparently for years. you told linda bloodworth thomas some story about a poor lady in your church and you said the baby looked like a pig. >> little bitty tiny baby pig, and she would hold it out for everybody to look at and she had bows in her hair and the story got bigger and bigger. and linda bloodworth thomas wrote it and they hired debra joe to play the woman. and i had to tell that story, and i thought to myself, i made that up. i made that up. but that's kind of like a lot of it is. you know, you just kind of make little stories up. that's a very southern thing. >> oh, my god, well, the other -- my dad was from
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mississippi. and one time, my mom called him up and was like, i've been trying to get through to you for hours. who were you talking to. he goes, oh it was just a wrong number. he would talk to anybody. this was before instagram. i think of so many of my missing relatives. what do you think of your instagram fame? it's got to be, you know, it's -- to know that you're giving such joy to so many people. >> it started, you know -- i've had a long career in hollywood, and i thought, you know, well, i've gotten a lot of attention, but never like this. it's like 3.8 million followers. it's gotten just -- >> wow. >> -- out of control. and so, now, you know, i just make stuff up off the cuff, you know. so, i've never thought and planned it out at all. but i -- i'll get up. something will happen and i'll film it. but i think that's what's happening, which is fun, is that
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people have known me for years all these years. but i thought they knew me knew me. and i'm just the funny guy that comes in with the zinger. all of a sudden at 68 years of age, people are meeting me. >> what's so weird about it, it's so intimate. you started out and you're in your bed just looking. i love the way you start out some of your videos. you're like, what you doing? what y'all doing? it's like somebody just calls you up. hey hunker downers, what you doing? it's so great. >> and i decided early on, i'm not going to try to make money at this. i'm just going to have a lot of fun. and then, you know, people start tiptoeing around offering things. and i thought, well, i've got to stick to what i said. >> do you? come on. >> we no longer have to hunker down. >> oh, come on, you can hunker down with, like, you know, some product and be like, hey, hunker downers, oh, look, it's my new sit and spin. i love sit and spin. >> i'm going to be the biggest
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in hollywood when this is over. i'm $100 a day. i'm going to sell out. >> as you heard at that point in time, leslie had 3.8 million followers. today it's 5.9 million. i'll leave you now with his last post before he died, and it was just yesterday. it's a duet he performed of an old church hymn, "when the role is called up yonder." ♪ when the trumpets of the lord shall sound ♪ ♪ and time shall be no more ♪ ♪ and the morning breaks eternal bright and fair ♪ ♪ when the savior shall gather over on the other shore ♪ ♪ when the role is called up yonder i'll be there ♪ ♪ when the road is called up yonder ♪ ♪ when the road is called up
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yonder ♪ ♪ when the ♪ ♪ when the road is called up yonder ♪ ♪ when the road is called up yonder ♪ ♪ i'll be there ♪ 13 times just to make sure that i'm gonna be there. >> and he is there. we remember leslie jordan, dead at the age of 67. impossible to forget because he made this a better world by his presence. we'll be right back. energy is everywhere... even in a little seeeedling. which, when turned into fuel, can help power a plane. at chevron's el segundo refinery, we're looking to turn plant-based oil into renewable gasoline, jet and diesel fuels. our planet offers countless sources of energy. but it's only human to find the ones that could power a better future.
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this just in, at tonight's debate between ron desantis and charlie crist, desantis refused to say whether he would serve a full term if re-elected. he said, i know that charlie is interested in talking about 2024 and joe biden, but i just want to make things very, very clear, the only worn out old donkey i'm looking to put out to pasture is char lis kris. this comes as multiple reports say ron desantis is a contender for the 2024 presidential race. "cnn tonight" with jake tapper "cnn tonight" with jake tapper starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com i was watching the debate. tough words between the two of them after desantis said the beat up ol
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