thanks much for joining us, you call us on facebook, instagram, twitter, and the tiktok app jake tapper. coverage now continues with the magnificent laura coats and the splendid alison camera. a low, or health, and how are you doing? >> you have to spend it, but don't take it personally. >> jake, that's in a conversation with -- his mid past and how donald trump keeps agreeing to be interviewed by bob woodward. but then is often annoyed at being interviewed by bob woodward. >> he did interviews with maggie haberman to for her book. that goes on twitter, or truth social, sorry and bad-mouthed her. i mean, i think the truth the matter is he can't quit us. he can't quit us journalist. as much as he wants to own --

as much as he wants the stain of corporate zone and talk to people in the channel. he really wants to be accepted by people at the new york times. >> i found interesting. the idea of him releasing, on these, tapes the motivation that he spoke to about for the reasons why doing so. anyway i wonder if you will be questioned in terms of trying to put the thumb on the scale, for whatever reason. there's often with criticism towards journalist that suggest that, you know, the type of stories he published. the ones you want to put forward. somehow leads people to question what your role is. or why you're trying to make it known. i think it's perfectly one for the people to express a lot of things for the tapes out there. i do wonder if the backlash will be given the motivation he spoke about. >> he just said he was listening to these tapes, not really about january 6th. most of our conversations about

foreign policy and about trump dealing with covid. and he just said he was listening to the tapes and with his wife and he was stunned. is this the national security challenge of your lifetime? this is a leadership count of your life? and on the page just as trump says no. but when you hear the tape and he's like no. and it's just taking this extraordinary step also because god thinks donald trump is a threat to democracy and security. national security. >> i know, as a prosecutor and have that transcript come to life because not without consequences. without people question which you do. fascinating. but >> you can say no check we can click you either. we >>, guys have a great show, doctor later.

>> good evening everyone i'm alison kara miranda. >> and i'm orchids, this is cnn tonight. we've got news hand from the debate happening right now, tonight, and florida, between rhonda scent and charlie crist. and tomorrow, it's going to be john fetterman up against doctor mehmet oz. and pennsylvania senate debate. with the question we're really wondering is to what extent these debates are persuading people. do they still matter to you out there or they somehow a victim of are already polarized politics and just political theater? >> i saw phil prophecy, who knows. >> meanwhile, what are armed men in tactical gear doing had ballot drop boxes in arizona? take a look at this? with this intimidate you as you drove up to drop off your ballot? if he saw guys dressed in maxed and tactical gear. is even legal? tonight, we're gonna talk to a lawyer who just filed a suit to stop this. i know they say, the truth is out there, somewhere.

non politics, but we'll get a bit close to the right one about ufos, everyone. i know you and i talked about this. you are -- but i don't know, but i believe it. i know that much. because what is that right there? what is that? a navy pilot and all sorts of pilots have seen this incredible people, there's no explanation, and now today, nasa's doing something about it. we will tell you who are putting together on the best months to actually get to the bottom of this and what those things are. >> this is our whole day today, actually. as we often going back and forth about what it could be. we're gonna find out. we're gonna find some truth tonight. stay tuned. >> kick it off with some looming midterms ahead of us. i had with that tonight to talk about this and probably a little bit of ufos to be seen to it. cnn's john berman. >> i drove to roswell africa

trade college. my trip process but college with one of my teammates was to drive to also new mexico to find out the truth. >> when you talk more about that. also, we've got congressman charlie dent. did you also drive to roswell your college friends? >> no, but it is area 51. >> we have a lot of questions. >> a lot of pressure now. we're gonna see you have connections somehow, did you watch the martian, what is happening? >> i was able to go to both roswell and area 51. and i love anything i can do with ufos. so yes, i am into it. >> awesome, we have a lot to talk about it. >> the whole show just changed. >> yes, ensured it. >> so john, our debates still relevant in helping voters choose candidates or are they just political theater at this point? >> not much i love theater. i think the answer is yes to everything. i think there are political theater. i think it's political theater that matters to some. i mean, maybe highly nuanced tonight from extraterrestrial's debates.

but then we are also polarized now that there are times when people go into watch a debate and they're more set than they might have been in the past. there aren't as many persuadable voters watching it. however i do think on the margins and depending on the race they can have consequences. i know talking about florida, ron desantis can charlie crist. maybe it won't turn the tide in that race down there. but ron desantis wants to be doing things. maybe other things a few years from now. maybe something that would happen on the station tonight. we have some impact down the line. >> and i persuade people, right. for 24 days alluding to? but in terms of what he's doing right now i think this one of the first times in recent years for the governor's race that has been at least of elite any candidate frankly in this moment in time. i wonder given that it seems to be the trajectory that it is. is this and it's he's additional with 2024 earth are still something to lose right now. >> he is auditioning for 24.

but in debate if you make a bad mistake. amongst make any big aspirin hearse, it's not to change the trajectory of the race. desantis is going to win, but is on the stage, he's looking at 2024. >> he was asked directly if he would serve a four-year term as governor. >> you're running for governor. wanted to look in the eyes of the people in the state of florida. i stated them, if you're elected, you will serve a full four-year term as governor yes or no? yes or no, broad? will you serve a full four-year term if you realize the governor of florida? it's not a tough question. it is a fair question, but he won't tell you. >> did not agree on the candidates addressing each other questions. >> governor it's your turn. >> i know charlie is interested

in talking to inform joe biden. but i wanna make things very very clear. the only worn out old don campbell can put out the pasture is charlie chris. >> that's a harsh line. >> does that help him or hurt him that he won't answer whether not -- >> actually think with his base to probably helps them. because everyone who loves around desantis loves the fact that he is now this national figure, they think it probably brings more prestige to florida, it will give him more power if he does get reelected. and so, i think this debate tonight probably didn't change the trajectory. but it is also going to be one of those who are checked asked. you talk to the desantis campaign. they think your bladder rated chris. you talk to chris campaign they think he obliterated desantis. but it did indeed to be one where did change the trajectory for chris. given where he is in the polls.

but i do think from what i hear in a live scene. chris did do well. i think of the places where he really need to underscore the extreme nature of desantis's agenda in terms of abortion, and in terms of lgbtq, in terms of denying history for the african american community. all of those things where things that chris did a really good job of underscoring. and maybe it does matter in the margins, i think the margins are going to be big enough for it to change. >> take a step back. if are out of florida for moments, and what does a lot of focus on select races. more broadly, are we really saying that we are, as an electorate, we are so entrenched and our heels are dug in. that we, essentially, think of these races and the debates as an opportunity to forgot the tester talking about. that people have already had their mind made up. but that's the case, what is with all the ads. the ads are come out the woodwork. to make sure they're thinking, hold on. i can maybe get this last person to change their mind.

>> i've been update a lot of election nights of the last two, four, six years. that have turned into election weeks. because some of these races are wicked close, as we like to say embossed. and so i think even though 96% of the people showing up at the polls may have been dead set on the vote. there's still this tiny sliver of the voting population out there who is waiting and watching and can be swayed by something. but some people don't watch senate and gubernatorial debates the way they watch gubernatorial debates. the numbers for these debates are not going to be what they are the national stage. >> but early voting numbers arriving more presidential elections already. >> but it seems the headlines of the local news. a seeps into the headlights the paper for a few days and it could be a good thing. i think we're tomorrow that could be divided by more than 10,000 votes. which, you guys know, they can be.

>> there is a lot of them today an impactful amount of voters. there aren't as many as they used to be. -- >> and pennsylvania with three or four house races and pennsylvania. there can be razor thin. so the swing voters still matter. >> we'll see what we talk about tomorrow with the federal cause debate. >> actually, dissipate is going to matter. there's a lot of questions about betterment pathway to serve after the stroke. and he hasn't been particularly transparent about it. at least, initially, had the understated the problem. people are gonna be watching closely, you can be watching close captioning for him. people want to see if he's up to the task. and if you can actually stand at his own. because he's had very well scripted events. he's controlling laws, effectively, on social media. but he hasn't done a lot of public events. so this is the first time he's going to be on his own. so, i think it is going to make a difference. >> it's become that notion. earlier tonight, who had the gubernatorial candidate,

incompetent desantis, making last-minute promises. along the lines of free baby items -- and all these every things. >> what we're gonna do for further gradients who have to commute. we're gonna reduce polls by 50%, statewide, for all commuters in the state of florida. we are going to make all baby items, diapers, crips, pipes, you name it's. tax free, permanently, in the state of florida. so you can raise kids and get by. you know, we have a five, a four, a two-year-old, are two years out of diapers. melissa quentin to propose that a first year in office? well, you're living you learn. russ was a pet food is maybe tax for in the state of florida. >> that is a last-ditch effort. everything -- >> that gets the pet vote, the dog and katie about right there. >> that's a socialist agenda violent. >> i mean, again, i don't think

that things are going to change the trajectory in that specific race, because i don't think that is at the margins of what we're talking about. where 10,000 votes, 20,000 votes are going to matter. as great as i think, and from what i've seen, and from what i've heard, when i talk to chris's campaign. as great as i think chris did, and as important as it was for him to really put out there how dangerous, i think it is true, it is dangerous the kind of agenda that desantis is running on. >> the actors can make those promises. -- but >> that's what this is about. that's one thing about texas willy-nilly. and we're gonna reduce polls for my state. you know okay the pet food in the diapers. i think meets a lot of federal stimulus money. but they got all this federal money that republicans did not

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election day two weeks away. but voting is already underway. for seventh million voters across 39 states have already returned a ballot. they've also been reports of voter intimidation. in arizona, six complaints, had already been referred to at the doj and the arizona 20 generals office. people report being photographed and followed at one drop off place. and to reportedly armed men, wearing tactical gear, or hanging out there a ballot drop

box in the d center of arizona. but a lawsuit was just filed trying to stop these tactics. and the plaintiffs alleging the group has violated the voting rights act, and the ku klux klan act of 1871. joining me now is one of the worst behind that lawsuit, democratic voting rights attorney, marc elias. thanks so much for being here. can just describe what this does in tactical gear and masks who are reportedly also have guns? what are they doing at these drop off boxes? >> they're intimidating voters. -- they are not there because they want to observe. they're there because they want to creighton environment. that makes people afraid for ballot drop boxes. ballot drop backs in our zone are entirely legal. there is nothing suspicious about them. and a group of election deniers and but --

advocates. have a range this. so that people are afraid to vote. >> who are those guys. but so we named the organization that seems to be the umbrella for this effort. and eight leader. we also name -- we and some of the people who are at these polling locations are masked, our armed, are otherwise active in a way that is hard to identify who they are. but if we identify who they are as defendants of the lawsuit. >> so, we just filed a lawsuit. it -- i would think that being with a gun, at the ballot drop box, and in tactical gear, and wearing a mask would be illegal. however the open county sheriff says that is not the case.

>> this is a free nation, the second amendment was at the first. and the porch of the gear that they wear. it this is why they're choosing. >> so more about that. maybe it is not illegal? >> thanks. first of, all with the sheriff they're talking about is whether it violates the criminal law of arizona. we're not alleging that violated criminal law of arizona. we're pointing at that violates the federal laws. the federal voting rights act. the federal ku klux klan act. that create a cause of action to prevent people from intimating people from voting. so whether it is a crime under state law, i don't know. i will take the sheriff under his word. but is certainly a violation of federal law. >> early two weeks away. who are already voting. how are you going to stop them as of tomorrow? >> so, tomorrow. my judge and our lawyers in

state representatives in the alliance for tired americans. i will hopefully convince a judge to issue what is called a temporary training order which is to prevent this while we sort out who's who and what's going on. because the right to vote, this report is that, it's fundamental and preserves all fundamental rights. but we have is just a sad and despicable instance of people trying to prevent people from exercising that right. >> have you heard from people who tried to drop off their ballots? >> we've had people reach out to us and we've had a process for vetting them. so i don't want to go too far in on what's in the complaint. but i think the complaint is a pretty compelling argument that there have been people who have come forward and have said that they were tailed. have said that they were questioned. said that they were intimidated.

and that is all it takes to meet the federal statutes. >> another couple of post on donald trump's social media company. but -- not surprising because donald trump is the original election denier and that his company, truth social, is a place where these elections and had buckets can share messages. you and i might on twitter. you might on truth social. and so attached screenshots of what they're saying on that website. about how they're encouraging and organizing these efforts. >> marcellus let us know what happens will be following your lawsuit as well as the early voting in arizona, thank you so much for your time. >> so that was informative. and it actually was not

necessarily can state law. but he's -- >> i used to, it's part of the voter infection of the rights division actually monitor election for the very reasons. we're trying to see whether somebody was actually trying to intimidate voters. we keep all that threat. and can you copy down their license plate. they're standing out there armed. they're trying to say anything to you. if they're trying something to make you feel less willing to exercise your right to vote. you've got an intimidation in this aspect. so the way to do it, but it's right, at the state level. it might be very different from what is proven for the voting rights in 1965. that's enough for some haven't seen that. we have different election cycles, we have people outside the polls, it's part of his frustration 2020 budget how close even officials zervos could go. to the voters. and so, i think this sends a very big message as to what can happen next. but we will see.

>> you should also mention that the group that he mentions his called clean elections usa. that is, i think, who he believes is behind this. we are reaching out. cnn's reaching out. we have not heard yet but will update us as we do. >> will hope they certainly answer if they are. >> alleged voter intimidation is one thing, as they say, but wait there's more. now, there is mysterious robocall and fake campaign ads to before the midterm election. alison, we've got the gloves coming off. but during the tricks are coming out. essentials so you can easily manage your team's devices. on the network with more 5g coverage. only from t-mobile for business.

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attorney general merrick garland now found doj cannot permit voters to be intimated before the midterms. frankly, voter intimidation is not the only concern as candidates are vying for a win. we're seeing plenty of miss directs and outright tricks trying to sway voters and the question is how effective are they going to be? we're back now with john berman, charlie dent, and maria cardona. before even think about the dirty tricks. there's intimidation to be part of that is. well the idea of trying to force voters to question whether it is worth it to vote. that is at the core. >> absolutely. and people are saying -- there's no better what he's doing in terms of protecting everyone's right to vote. that both the dinos are joining him in these lawsuits because, it is arizona. a lot of what we are seeing is

that these are happening in places where there could be voters that have mixed households, mix that is households. meaning there could be undocumented people living in that household. that is absolutely a definitive and out right diminishing tactic to keep latino voters from voting. because, they know that is going to be something that is going to really raise the fear of someone who's going to vote, who might have people in the household who aren't here. >> there's a fair they'll, right. their actual dirty tricks. listen, there is a care totally -- someone remembered to support ccaps. so let's discuss this. >> this is joe. and my pronouns are she, her. i'm sure you agree with me that people that identify as women are under attack. not just in georgia, but throughout our country. georgia is lucky to have stacey

abrams but fighting for our abortion rights. while some of the officials are trying to limit abortion rights to six months or even five months after conception. we are so lucky to have stacey abrams and sandra bishop fight to protect our right to have an abortion up until the date of birth. >> that is just so fake. >> some dog whistle, some very overt. >> i've been around for a few elections. and this goes on and every election. part of a nasty robocalls got in the 11th hour but they go out and make these calls. and people don't know who really pays for, them or sponsor them. but that's the dirty trick. and this nothing new. >> normally the go out so light. but what they do catch on, they find out who was going for at this point the electors already done. >> that's where suppression

calls is when it becomes illegal. the goal is maybe to do that. >> they've been calls to the people the wrong dates and the wrong places to go. that is definitely suppression call. but this is as old as the southern strategy. and frankly, republicans, have engaged in this. sorry, charlie. whether democrats have. and to me it is an indication that republicans are afraid to let more people vote. they are the ones who are focused on keeping these laws on the books. i keep from voting. i make more difficult for people to vote. especially women. people of color. lgbtq. and to, me that just stay said this is a party that is afraid that the more people vote the more there -- the last double win. >> and that call you just played. i didn't hear that has trying to turn people away but i heard that as more of a call to say the use of pronouns to have them signal that, look, remember the america that we heard.

some sort of nostalgia alla, make america great when it was. or anti woke. >> it was anti woke discussion. >> so what they're trying to galvanize people turn out, and they kept saying -- they see abrams's name. her bishops name. that was intentional. >> it is a dark arts of campaigns. not only does this happen, but there are people who make their living on making this happen. >> that's the poor mans to her weapon. is that in a campaign, and the campaign doesn't cost a lot to the robocall. but because of anomaly on these -- >> you do know they come from. factual tv ads. some of them, this year, are looking democrats to defund the police. democrats have never said defund the police. democrats have voted to give more money to local state police. so here, isn't that false advertisements. are the laws about with an advertisement? why is that allowed?

why is that legal? if they're seeing an outright lie. >> both sides will try to link members to the most extreme elements in the party. it will happen all the time. i got, it most democrats don't want to place the funding. this dog with them, who do. >> we not the one who are being -- >> i would agree with that. >> look, it happens and it's just the fact of life. >> we're just accepted dirty tricks are fact of life. weijia except lots about stuff like this. >> this one is especially just because, actually, democrats voted to give billions of dollars to law enforcement resources to hire police. it wasn't republicans -- >> there is responsibility to make sure that there are not lies within this. we have to see the exact answer, the exact language. >> by the way --

here's the thing. litigation, one of the world series is coming. but litigations actually americas favorite pastime. you have the deadline of the election. so who's going to sue the follow-up. it's not just republicans against democrats were doing this. even within the party of democrats. you have some ads that are deceptive, disingenuous, they are trying to hit two against each other. an attempt to take a splitting. like a pennsylvania they tell you about this at that fetterman against shapiro. the botham regrets along the lines of crime. listen to this. >> i'm actually democrat on running on a record a crime. >> john fetterman's record on crime is crazy. >> he's not like most democrats. >> dozens of times he was the only vote to pardon criminals. >> 225 times, josh appear voted against the criminals. but fetterman voted to release them. that's nuts. vitamin is way more radical than shapiro.

what is wrong with this guy? >> that was a marathon crossroads, a conservative super pac. but >> two candidates putting democrats [inaudible] you are correct that molested emma cats are paying for. but my point is not just an attempt to and it's also notion that they have ticket splitting. and also we can't goes far as that. but i'll see numbers of the set of fetterman. >> do you know why they're doing that. because joshua pirro's gonna win. and that will say that these republicans are saying we have a crazy guy who's going it's joshua pirro. let's try to focus on fetterman. >> they're going after shapiro voters. i have to be one of them. >> their gospel to take. it >> absolutely. does that add was accurate. john fetterman has voted for

the pardons to what some really bad actors out of prison. one guy who he murdered someone with 26 times the carton show. josh there has not voted the same way. >> why did fetterman vote to do that? >> that's a good question. many people have died fetterman not only to this prison reform movement about the da and philadelphia and was a subject of impeachment an embarrassment. he has really failed in his role in the top public officer of the city. >> love when you see that's a good question. the reason why say that would -- it cede planting. and then, at least voters to say that's a good question. rather than have the onus to find out. they say -- >> yeah that's part of the idea of lawsuits do something about. i think a lot of these ads are banking on people not wanting to fall start of the research.

that's why some [inaudible] >> if democrats want to push back on the stand to get out the air. redmond credited people on the air trying to push people on the specific thing if they want to get that message out. that is how it's done. >> those debates matter. we answer the question, tomorrow the debates matter. let's answer brad tomorrow. >> i'm sure this will come out tomorrow. i'm sure fetterman -- >> aren't there with us if you would. there is no official nasa u.s. investigation team. well they find out what that is? that is what we have to know. what is that thing, right there? the truth is out there. eva's about to learn her fear of missing out leads to overating. i totally eat stuff to not miss out. ♪

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i carry the voices deeper. >> there was another one that just defied all the rules sievierodonetsk. i can go straight up at the speed of, you know, i, or sound, or something. it darts round. it is freaking them out. john, what is this? >> you never hear pilots wear like that. that never happens. and i don't know what it was. i don't want to be a skeptic here. because, again i, want to believe this. but i don't know what it was. >> why don't you just say it's an alien? >> because a near the crassly tyson. >> he must be a credible journalist. >> wow respect them, right. he points on everyone earth has got at least one of these things. now some of us have two of them. and given that we all have these things to take really good pictures with them. how come all the pictures that we pour over and try to, you know, pull some kind of colonel or shred of evidence that it's a ufo are like this?

>> why, it'll just like a ufo? >> as far out the atmosphere. then people consider these navy pilots. >> and -- is that a burn no phone john berman? i have two phones? [inaudible] the fcc cost biden formation but what that is? >> tell us. charlie >> remember being bites a briefing on the subject which i blew off. >> why would you vote on? >> i had one point things to do. >> i've been can figure this out. i'm so glad we have a space force. now but i'm glad to do some research on this because, apparently they can't explain it. they talk about things that are aerodynamically and sound, i put bumblebees and helicopters in that category. and they fly anyway. >> what we all kind of joke and i give you a hard time about this. but in all honesty, i'm actually very intrigued. i do believe there must be something out there. i'm very intrigued by it but i

think there's something today idea that every time someone here's about it there is some glazing over effect. i don't know why. are we afraid as a civilization that it might be true? what we look at this and it's been so hollywood ties and these issues that we think, well, that can't possibly happen. what is it? >> i think was a mix of both of those. i think there is part of us, and maybe a lot of people that actually do want to believe it, but like john, there's a lot to be the want to jump in and say yes this is actually an alien. because we don't know enough about it. >> well there you go. >> but i also read that so many times there have been things like this, maybe not like those kind of pictures, but it's like a blue light that no one can explain. that's some finally it comes out to some scientific it phenomena of lights and sound and whatever else is out there in the atmosphere. and that might be with this ends of being. but we don't know.

>> i was really wowed by those navy parts on 60 minutes were said when they both sought separately was something that we don't have the technology for. the tech which does not exist on earth for that, whatever they saw, the move in the direction that it moved. at the speed that it did. and popped up in another place. and so, that was a few years ago. [inaudible] [inaudible] the idea that nasa is adding some level of gravitas. i think moves the needle. >> nasa just to cut that astro, to redirected it. that's pretty interesting. but, look, i'm glad you can do the research. that dignity. this that the pressure got what it was. michael to speculate. no, i want to believe. and i do. and i think we should look into. it we should close off the

possibility. but, i do think the standard to be convinced is a little higher then maybe that blur. >> the time to your point and answer near the crest tyson. it could be. we talked about this, laura. we don't even have the technology that this doesn't contain the technology to photograph them if they, whatever pronounce they might use -- -- [inaudible] speaking which probably couldn't believe. do you know what it's unbelievable to so many people out there? that slavery is on the ballot in five states. it is not extraterrestrial. could explain why after this. so you can easily manage your team's devices. on the network with more 5g coverage. only from t-mobile for busisiness. we're carvana we created a brand new way for you to sell your car

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voters in five states had the chance to wipe slavery and invented servitude off the books of election day. >> i have no idea there was on the books. >> if you thought, and people really think that so i brought a lot in this country back in 1865 13th amendment, amir and do it is actually one exception to it. the text of section one of the amendment reads, either slavery nor involuntary servitude can be removed as a part punishment for crime. where the party that's been convicted can exist with any state -- so, slavery and the servitude have gone on the books the potential punishment more than, what, a dozen states. the penalty has been in force since the civil war. but now voters, alison, arizona and louisiana, and in vermont, or in tennessee. they have a chance, now, to

remove the punishment from their states constitution once and for all. essentially saying that the 13th amendment will be universal. and not include those who include prisoners as well. but the way they're doing it but -- >> slavery is still legal. if you are a convict. so, in prison, and those five states. if you are convict, i, sima like murder or rape. something, obviously, we're doing some hard time. >> just any felony? >> the key is that there's also been an exception to be able to use like a -- or the idea of forcing summit to perform services without being able to do anything about it. >> without any pay? >> the idea of slavery, or servitude in those languages there. let me just show you an example of what is on the ballot and what they're doing? and louisiana, for example, here's on the ballot. do you support an amendment to prohibit the use of involuntary servitude, except, as it applies to the other was lawful

-- mean, keep the 13th amendment as it is, yes or no? don't have an exception they can force them to work in and of itself? >> that is confusing. but i'm also conflicted about this. don't we want prisoners, particularly murders to have to do hard time? isn't that a good punishment for convicted murderers? in other words, we don't want them to get off easy and not have to do hard labor. we want to be paid for that? >> we criticize all the countries private labor camps all the time. the idea of thinking about having somebody who is doing their time, because carson rated, and to require hard labor that does not be paid? who is a benefit is a question to that? voters not gonna have a chance to decide that or as most people the don't know it's either something that has to be voted on? >> thank you for raising all that ensure we can get some comments on that. meanwhile the upon local sheriff's office are concerned about the potential for

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california, mountains, oceans, natural wonders, diverse and creative people. but when the out-of-state corporations behind prop 27 look at california, they see nothing but suckers. they wrote prop 27 to give themselves 90% of the profits

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