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ago and that of cast an election is frankly very rail. let's discuss all of this with our political panel. -- karen finney great. great to have all be with us tonight. and there's so much to talk about in terms of the chaos that could happen with the midterms. let's start with election deniers. so, as you know, the place allows you with them right now. particularly places like arizona. then, today, ted cruz went on the view and could not answer the question as to whether or not he basically joe biden was legitimately elected. he pivoted, carrying the city, because it's the new talking point that i hear all the time now from republicans. when they get uncomfortable about the election denying. they pivot, immediately, to the past.

so let's listen to this. >> what is biden legitimate elected because half the party thinks that he wasn't and will be very painful for you to tell the truth? >> biden is the president today. there is a lot of folks in the media that, -- i'm exactly -- as a lot of folks in the media that tried to, anytime a republican it's been a tv camera tries to say the election was fair and square and legitimate. you know who yelled don't do that to? you don't go to hillary clinton. >> they are starting to try to claim, because hillary clinton and her words was disappointed with the outcome, is the same thing as what is happening now. >> on election night in 2016 we were -- on the phone trying to forget what is happening. the votes are coming in. the question that we ask ourselves, as a team, was can we get to 70? because we knew as a staff, we couldn't go back to hillary and say. yes, we think we can get to 70.

it is worth a try to push this out. to try and continue counting. then we knew she was going to try to -- she knew bad for the country. that's the conversation. that should be happening. every election night. whether or not you legitimately have the votes and if it won, how we went to lie, cheat, steal, a bag and it's so toxic to our country to be doing this. we're already so divided and polarized. just further driving wedges between us. >> i hate when people try to, somehow, undermine or think that was stupid. we don't understand and recognize a pivot, or recognize that somebody has not said yes or no and response to a yes or no question. anything about the strategy, doug, and think by the way that happens. why would a sitting senator not simply say that we essentially

have free and fair elections. then on the other side he will likely come out and say as long as he was elected, what is the strategy behind that? do you think that voters will think that they like this pivot. it works. from me it can't possibly. >> our politics but policy wasn't her what it wants to hear. the right once a what it wants to. here and there's nowhere in the middle as the moderate situation. but with the truth is that really satisfies. so, this shouldn't be hard. you can say, very easily, but donald trump was about 16. joe biden won fair and square in 2020. and i'm gonna work every day to defeat joe biden, or whomever runs in 2024. and your base can respond to that. the politicians need to be leaders and take their base to that place of truth. where you can then be the fighter you claim to be. >> the analogies with hillary clinton is a crazy one. she went to the inauguration,

that was not hers. her supporters didn't have an insurrection. at the capitol. it doesn't work. >> we should be fairly cut this is -- -- there is no equal action between what happened in 2016 and what happened in 2020. but the reason the senator is making this very obvious pivot to your point. is because he read those results of the republican primary just like everybody else did. trump backed candidates, were successful even though they embrace those false election claims. so, he is following where the base is right now. and tried to calibrate his position to that. now, to your point, that is not leadership. particularly the facts of where the election is. that is a politician reading the signs, where the grassroots of the public and party are, and trying to match his rhetoric that. >> part of this those by the generals committee. we are conflating -- their complaint to your point. we talk about 2016. i think what they're doing and i hate to put words in someone's mouth. but the idea of thinking about it is are they suggesting, look,

you doubted that question did not have interest in election. the committee and the impeachment about trying to impart and look at the interference. they're conflating that with an investigation into whether or what led up to january 6th. but the american talking point is, i, hold on a second. you doubted then and now doubting this. you do not one of the other. is that what they're doing, conflation? >> to some extent, yes. here's the party -- who is a pump. luckily we have seen the impact that can have when you have an election denier, called donald trump. go to the state of georgia. that spent his whole time they're saying, the election was rigged against me. report doesn't count, or republicans lost two senate seats on the issue. so, republicans, smart enough to know if you want to win, this is not the winning strategy for you and, november. and georgia may have a runoff again this. time >> to think, one, hillary clinton. just sprinkle it in any time of republican you can trouble. i would say the result. come on, where women. i've all said should be getting

paid for how much they username. she should get royalties for having that thing. without thing i will say, that we should applaud is the voters. because we are seeing people, despite all the challenges, coming out in record numbers. and that is something to be applauded. because voters themselves, are saying, you know what. i am still going to vote. this is my country, i'm glad to have my say. now if your public or democrat. we've got to protect that. we've got to protect the freedom to vote. and we know that the folks up to a better job protecting the election. so hopefully we'll be able to do that. >> i really don't like agreeing with karen as much as i'd like. to >> yet, you do it. i love. that you know who doesn't agree on this point as well. speaking of election deniers. what happens to be the spouse of us in a supreme court justice. ginni thomas? and today, justice thomas, which of course he was the point person from the circuit court from which this came. he gave a temporary win to

silence a gram. by saying, listen, we don't have to right now. testify found the grand jury that was empaneled in georgia. because we need to figure out the magistrate of stay about whether the speech and debate clause really will shield you from having to make the statements. that, to me. >> talk about the idea of elections and the hint of propriety. how -- >> house justice thomas not conflicting? >> if i had to ask you that question i would not be political reportedly a lawyer, you know. i do think that you have a real feeling of the wrap up of the conflict of interest between the supreme court justice, and what was obviously his wife's leaning in to those very clear election conspiracies. those false claims that the election was stolen. she was not just a passive member of that. but was actively using her power and trying to rally others to that cause. >> so there is no shortage of

facts here. that the household has both wrapped in the core questions. of the election no. >> jeanne thomas, lot of ember tenth. the actor news organizations have rejected by the winner. they said this text mark meadows. help this great president stand firm, mark. the majority knows that the left is trying to greatest heist of our history. she was a witness, of january 6th. how can her husband not have recused himself from all matters about january 6th and the election, basically? >> it is shameful. it is yet another example of a supreme court that is out of control. that is, literally, not operating in the best interest of this country. i, mean i will never forget, when judge thomas said after the dobbs decision. maybe touched on privacy. then you can say anything about biracial or interracial marriage. which, as a biracial person, and look for that one. but as a man who, himself, is married to a white woman. that one touch a little too close to home.

but it's gonna be in and out of the law to suit us. >> to be fair. for justice thomas. he did refer to that is likely to refer to the entire supreme court to then decide the issues on administrative say. but the point is not lost that although he has the point person for that circuit. the fact that he is able to entertain even that moment is cause for concern. i remember the hint of propriety, right, is the issue. not just the obvious. >> all right, let's go quickly to a new sound coming out of the woodwork's audiotape. which president trump. who, as you know, has been releasing all these donald trump in his own words. the summit were just heard from the first time this evening. it is about how he was explaining the covid outbreak to his 13-year-old son. >> i wanted to capture the moment when your son, baron, as to about this. she >> was just turning 14, so we start in the white house

upstairs. it is bedroom. he said that, what is going on? >> i said it came out of china, barren, it came out of china. and it should have been stopped. and to be honest with you, barren, they should've let it be known it was a problem two months earlier. and we win -- and the world now has 141 countries have. it now, and i said, the world would have a problem. we have stopped it, easily. >> well, that is not wrong. if china had been more transparent about it. >> it's not true typical father son conversation. presidents don't have to go father son conversations, sometimes. and what he said was right. it just is a little strange and you scratching your head on is that the father son conversation -- >> that the best time start to happen in the white house? >> he will tell by asking the question who's looking for a little texture, right? >> i sat him down. i explained to him and i told them. don't be afraid. some version, writes, of comforting? it disadvantage and doesn't do

that. he's always on his talking points. came out of china, came out of china. >> more than 1000 conversation is a good chance that was my conversation. but >> the larger point to me is, you know. it is almost cognitive dissonance. we could stop it on time go, but the point was, the time that he was in office use the present united states had couldn't take an action in some respect to be more productive about alerting people, and but to his ruling. but being the head executive. that was off in the conversation. >> whether the origin of the coronavirus. whether it had a package to the sun. he could've been a more prepared president, and leave the country in the political moments. i think, in that time, we saw all of the flaws of the trump white house really spill out into public policy. the unpreparedness, the mixed messaging, the lack of discipline. those are real human cost. and so, i think it is a hearing

from donald trump where he recounts of stories. it was kind of a fascinating experience. but you are right, in that it is really show the distance between what he was saying, privately. and what he were saying on the public rage. and then in his role as commander. >> it's baffling to think about it all. but here we, are still, together. and as wonderful. the question now is are we on the verge of another chaotic election. spoiler, maybe? and when you think of ted cruz on the view. refusing to say joe biden was legitimately elected? when you think it is our conversation for less. let us know what you're thinking about anything else he wants 1000 amy, within reason. tweet us at the laura coates, and allison camera. ♪

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he told the father what kind of a gun he wanted he gave the father the money for the gun and the fathers then brought the gun and by the way it was a six hour semi automatic pistol. very, very dangerous weapon. and they didn't lock the weapon of. they had free access to. it then, on the day of the shooting, he was drawing something in the classroom. and, what he was drawing was a

picture of a gun. and he was writing down the thoughts won't go away. school authorities called the parents. obviously, they would bring the perinton and they said that you have to bring it home and put him into counseling. the parents refused to bring him home. when he left the house that morning he had a backpack. and in that backpack was the gun. and only an hour so later the shooting began. for kids dead, seven people seriously injured. >> so, they're going to go to prison? >> well, they've been charged with involuntary manslaughter which is causing a death as a result of grossly negligent or reckless act. to my knowledge, it is the first time of the united states that parents have been charged in a mass murder case. now, we see it sometimes when, say a toddler gets a hold of a policeman's gun because he has been locked it up properly. sometimes you'll see a manslaughter indictment. but never in a case of a mass shooting. this will be a first. so we'll have to see our jury

would react to this. they're finding it to the nail unlike the -- who pled guilty, they faced 15 years in prison if they're convicted. >> and of course, in michigan, we talked about the access and had access to the weapon. a little bit of a different lot there in terms of what they're required to do as parents and not do. but, the thing about it is you make a great point that the novelty of these charges. because, a lot of the law works to try to act as a deterrent from future behavior. and, unfortunately, there was a mentioning today at a school. i, mean these issues continue to happen. and the question always goes to, who knew what, when, and when the parents could've done anything about. it >> so, it really sends a message ultimately if their convicted are not about what the next steps might be to deter. i mean, is it resignation with people, don't you? think >> well, it's interesting. because it does seem -- i mean, we've had this conversation before, in previous mass shootings where there were questions about, could they take legal action against the parents. and it does feel like, given how hard it has become to pass any gun legislation, president

biden did just get a bipartisan bill passed. we need to do more. maybe legalities are looking, at what other options do we have on the table. the other thing i thought was interesting is that a group of students actually filed a federal lawsuit against the school saying that they did not meet their obligation to keep them safe. because they should've checked the backpack. >> the school can't get their kids back back. >> yes. they could go through it. but, the facts are so clear in this case. if you have a child with severe mental problems, doing things that allison outlined in that introduction, you don't allow them to have access to a gun. i mean, it's that simple. he >> was looking up ammunition during class time. his teacher saw him. his teacher called his mother. his mother, then, texted him lol. i am not mad at you. you have to learn not to get caught. >> how can the mother not be called upon? >> and, then later saying, eat

and don't do it. she knew something likely would've happened. i mean we're talking, about obviously this tragic situation that happened in one state. there's 49 other states that are looking very closely at this. they're going to determine, in each legislature, can, we if it's successful, can we then do this as well. and, we could see this reverberate. this is what really covers everything that's happening statewide to determine trends. it's looking at it to say, this is one state. one that happens in five more states and ultimately the other 49? >> yes, the prosecuting the case, did another. think it was unusual. he added a terrorism account to the charges against the shooter. >> because he terrorized the rest of the school. those kids are traumatized. >> you don't see that very often. >> yes, we're gonna keep our eye on this. thank you all very much. , so one of the founders of the proud boys was supposed to address students at penn state university, tonight. but the event was canceled. and we're gonna tell you why, next. answer a few questions and d our techno wizardry calculates your car's value and gives you a real offer in seconds

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penn state canceling an event tonight, with proud boys founder, gavin mcguinness. this is the scene. right here. earlier tonight. this video was tweeted out by onward state, news that's an independent stood and run penn state new site. the university, says it was forced to take action because of the threat of escalating violence from processors. we're seeing a bit of it there. let's bringing any candle, it's a senior editor at huff posts. he is the author of the, book we are proud boys, how a right-wing streaking ushered in a new era of american extremism. doug and -- it's great to have you here with your expertise about this.

why did penn state invite the founder of the proud boys? what did they think was going to happen on campus? >> well, it was a student group that invited them. but penn state till students who were concerned about the proud boys coming to campus that this was a speech issue. but, students told, me no, this isn't a speech issue, this is a school safety issue. gavin mcguinness has rules of violence for his gang. he says the top level of the proud boys can only be achieved if you commit a significant active violence for the cause. and, so they knew, coming in, that the proud boys were going to be there. and they knew from students telling the administration that govern mcguinness had been on a parade of violence with his proud boys for the next six years. and, so they knew something was going to happen. and, clearly you saw from the video that it did multiple students and members of the media were amazed by proud boys and their allies. so, the violence did come.

and it was promised. >> and, it's unbelievable to think about the idea of not being able to anticipate that there would, be not only the protests, but the confliction to think, that own no, this is an issue of cancel culture, our first amendment rights. and the idea of having the marketplace of ideas take place in the school. but, this is really conflating the issue. it's not about trying to silence people in the viewpoint. it's about trying to anticipate how to keep the campus safe. >> absolutely. and, in 2017, the administration banned richard spencer. he's a neo-nazi leader, who helped him at unite the right with charlottesville in 2017. the administration banned him saying that we believe in the first amendment here. but, this isn't a first amendment issue. the first amendment doesn't require us to bring violence on campus. >> doug, i don't get this. i don't understand why this choice would be made. i certainly understand why college campuses would one conservative. isis and, we want to book conservatives for campus, of course. but, with a track record of violence?

i mean, these are the guys who were behind the charlottesville. that their hire was killed. why have somebody with a track record of violence on campus? >> it's puzzling. and i'm on a board for the harvard institute of politics. karen was a fellow a couple of years ago. and, also, on the board of visitors for the modern university of north carolina. one of the things that's important to me, is having diversity of thought. and people coming to speak to students, student leadership, so. fourth but, you can do that and not have these kinds of situations. and, frankly, it's common sense that you would want to avoid those kinds of situations. because, ultimately, if somebody really gets hurt and we are sort of lucky that it was just ugly, that it didn't go that extra level or to that we see happened so often, colleges have to be mindful of this. because, then they're going to be the ones that get sued. they're the ones that are going to have to pay damages. and ultimately, experience real reputational damages. >> let me show you the. i, mean this is not a group where people are not aware of violence being associated with them. i, mean the reason people

remember the proud boys, and now, even in modern discussions in the last couple of, weeks months, and years, it's in part because of the history of violence. i'm gonna show the screenshot here of when it was established in 2016. i mean, the idea of the unite the right rally, we must. in the idea of 2017, members clashing outside of it of and why you. get people arrested in new york city and then they had the role in january six as well. i'm gonna show people dozens are facing, you, no criminal charges with the right beyond that as well. we've got people who are communicating with the proud boys, it seems. and you have the infamous, karen, stand back and stand by. i mean people remember the proud boys. not not in connection with making friendship bracelets. >> no, absolutely not. and, particularly given the footage that we've seen over the last several weeks of the, summer when we saw footage from january six. i, mean it's right there in front of you. so, it's surprising that, again, free speech is critically

important. i'm a person who believes. that i always want to know where you stand. because then i, know where you are and where i am. but, at the same time, the safety concerns and the fact that the administration, the school administration didn't recognize just by letting them be invited, i mean, how did they get so far down that it was tonight that they finally cancel it. and, as you said, not expecting that there would be violence. >> andy, who is the student group? they thought it was a great idea to up the proud boys on campus? >> they're called, unscented america. they claim their nonpartisan school group. but, they have all sorts of sort of abhorrent voices over the years, including my, low you not bliss -- sort of known as an online troll. and abhorrent bigot. and students certainly didn't like that one either. but, that went off without a hitch. now, with the gavin event, they knew that violence was coming. but the issue here is the normalization of political violence in politics right now.

this gang is embraced by a number of top gop officials. i spoke to roger stone for my book, trump confidant, who told me that he'd been advising the proud boys politically through the crimes for years. and so you have this group that a lot of people believe our patriotic, our defenders of trump's politics. and so, you know, that's probably why penn state allowed the stop. and >> you make a good point about the idea of the same group having invited other controversial figures, we'll call them. and them being allowed to actually speak and having the events go on. this qualitatively feels different. in a way that, i, think you cannot simply dismiss it as a nation of cancel culture or the idea of censorship. this qualitatively felt different. i, mean you are seeing this unfold. where you're seeing some analogies to what was happening at some of the event that they had known to be not at the rally for example? the fear of that happening again? >> yes, absolutely. i mean, i brought forth the

student concern to weeks ago, to the administration. and they said, they had already weighed the violence versus the speech issue. and they chose speech. and, certainly, when i saw that violence there i was not surprised because i've been covering these guys for six years. and that's what they do. it is in the rulebook. >> it does seem, that you, know universities -- and i, gray i think as we, said i don't think they should have been invited. but it does speak to the pressure that i think universities are feeling, being pushed, frankly, from the right about cancel culture and being open to diverse voices. and i think what we've seen over the last few years, a number of campuses where they really tried to have struggled with that. >> yes, i hear you. >> diverse voices are great. conservative voices are great. and controversy is even a cake. but, violence should really be the dividing line. >> andy, thank you so much for sharing your expertise about them. >> thank you for having me. >> so important to think about the idea of what it means to have the right to speak and the right to have your own self of

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joining in solidarity with iranian protesters. tens of thousands gathering in berlin, this, weekend alone, holding up signs about freedom and women's rights. protests, now entering the six week in iran sparked by the death of a 22 year old woman. mahsa amini for allegedly not adhering to the country strict dress code. i want to bring in now, roya cocking, author of a beginners guide to america for the immigrant and the carriers. also with, us scott jennings and as always, karen finney. i'm glad that you're here. and, a moment that we've all been watching and seeing this unfold. and, it's outrageous to think about what has transpired but also inspiring about the protests. and largely led by young women. >> that's right. i'm so glad that you juxtapose the two next to each other. because it is terrifying and it is incredibly thrilling and inspiring. you know, i think that it is the best thing that has happened to feminism in a long

time. and, one of the things that i was noticing last night, watching a segment about a mathilde, i thought that mahsa amini was, in some, with the iranian emmett tilde. a majd emmett was from chicago, he traveled to mississippi. mohsen minnie was from curtis stone, and she had come to tehran just for a short visit with family. she was totally innocent as emmett was and for reasons that are a tylee irrational she was stopped and taken away and then brought up in a van and turned up dead a few days later. so i think it is the degree of her innocence and the fact that she could be anyone, she could be any woman. justice emma tilde could've been any black kid. she has become such a national figure. and i think that that is what

most people will come out to the jets. >> and now, there's so many of these other young women risking their lives and protesting. something like 241 people have already been killed in the protests. and so many women have been injured. how long can this go on? what is going to happen there? >> well, this is an interesting question because, usually, what this happened, or at least 43 years ago when the first revolution in iran took place in 1978 and 1979, the next phase of sort of people coming out to the streets was national strikes. there have been strikes in the past few weeks. but the regime had immediately shut down the strikes. by arresting all the strikers. so the strikers are taken into custody. they have to pay who huge bills in order to be released. and then a whole bunch of other strikers are taken in. so, we are dealing with a whole

new set of rules that certainly iranians have never played by in the past. and i am not sure what other revolution has been confronted with circumstances like this where you can't strike because he will be arrested. >> well, it strikes, me are the headline and what you see on the screen is that people are joining in solidarity. certainly, here in the united states, we believe that there should be a national and international focus on the rights of women that relates to abortion rights, this country for example, or the march -- the women's march for example. i wonder if you feel that there has been the requisite level of attention, paid to what's been happening in iran. or is the world late to even realizing the need? >> this is why i would hoping you would ask. i think it's a very vital question that nobody is asking.

but what's very shocking to me -- we had our number one country that has been our post cold world enemy. four flirty plus years, for the past 20, years we had thought that a war with iran was imminent. it never happened. and now suddenly that was burning our flags and call us the great seat in that seem to be the greatest threat against us, the nation is coming up to the street saying that our enemy is right here. they live when they say it's america. and they have no other ambition they don't to overthrow their government. and i think, in some ways, washington is not ready for good news. i met with the top class of the state department nearly two weeks ago. and i said, to everyone,

including the special envoy, robert malley that what the iranian people want is a revolution. they want to overthrow the regime. and, today's, ago he posted a tweet saying that the iranian people are asking for respect on the streets from the government. and i thought, that's not what i thought. and that's not what the news coming out of iran's. >> so, scott, what should the u.s. do? >> i think we have to do everything that we can to support these people who are risking their lives. this is one of the most oppressive, horrific regimes on the face of the earth. but they do to women and anyone else who gets in their way is terrible. and so, i'm a little disheartened to hear that you want to head in the meeting to come up a little bit short in your eyes. i would hope that we would be encouraging the people to shock the oppressors. and of self government. i'm not arguing that we roll on united states military.

but i do think the united states is the light of the world when it comes to -- self governing. and i imagine the people on the street is fully behind him as they can. the, obviously around plumbing is that their thing about suing the united states, claiming that were whipping up all these protests. no, i think the protests are being whipped up by people had enough. and so, they need to know that we know. and i'm glad that you had that meeting. >> so, i was with hillary clinton in 1995 in beijing china, which he said women's, rights are human rights, a woman's right, that's what i've been thinking about every night that i've watched the coverage on this. these are women, i mean again, laura, it goes to what you are saying, the fundamental right to control your body, your destiny. if you have an article of clothing on the wrong way. i mean to think that you would lose your life over that. and, there is an international struggle. i think it's part of it.

women, as we know, here in the united states and around the, world we are paid, less there are so many inequalities. but i think that there's such a sisterhood. there are so many brave men joining the women off there too. i want to acknowledge that. , but i do think part of it, is you, not just that basic call for freedom that people i think are relating to. >> yes, thank. you thank you so much for being. her my pleasure. >> thank you for being on and looking forward to talking about what's happening there. >> so, roya hakakian, as you said, i'm a huge fan of monday night football. but also, a surprise tonight. former president barack obama was part of monday night football. you heard me. i'll explain what he said, next. >> and the rules of football. >> yes, yes. and who was playing. also come up with. by the time we come back.

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>> good evening. just 15 days until midterm elections. new developments for you across the board tonight. this new cnn polling of likely voters and two key senate races and wisc