this just, in a tense debate between florida governor ron desantis and his democratic opponent charlie crist. governor desantis refused to say he deserve a full second term if reelected. republicans skated around the election when questioned by kristen's national political ambitions. instead, he said i know charlie is interested in talk about 2024 and joe biden. i just want to make things clear, the only worn out all donkey and looking to put out to pasture is charlie crist. this comes after multiple reports -- rising star of the republican party and contender of course for the 2024 presidential race. news continues, cnn tonight with jake tapper starts now, jake? >> i was watching the debate, anderson, some tough words between the two of them after desantis made that reference to the beat up old donkey being put out to pasture.

crist said something about how he could take it, but you know, desantis is a bully, and he bullied kids at a press conference, et cetera, et cetera. no love lost between those two. not just for the audience, i think the actually loathe each other. >> also, charlie crist is such a political, interesting political history on both sides of the republican democratic divide. >> yeah, desantis made a reference to what chris thought but something sixth parties ago, referencing how he had been a republican and independent and now he's a democrat. yeah, tough race. tough race. thanks so much, anderson. >> appreciate it. >> and welcome to cnn tonight, i'm jake tapper. tonight, an uncharacteristic warning from one of the most respected nonpartisan journalist in the world. breaking from 50 years of journalistic tradition to come here and warn you about the threat he says donald trump poses still to the united states. threats to both democracy and to american national security.

bob woodward became a household name back in the 70s, of course, with his partner at the washington post carl bernstein, woodward broke the watergate scandal wide open, an investigation that helped pave the path to house impeachment hearings, the resignation of richard nixon, the best selling book and celebrated film. >> woodward, bernstein, you're both on the story now. >> since then, woodward has become a authority on the presidency over the last few decades, publishing more than a dozen books with unvarnished looks at both republicans and democrats in the white house. his access to the oval office is basically unmatched. but there's an old saying in journalism that if your mother tells you she loves you, get a second source. and that's what woodward does, he listens to presidents, he writes down what they tell him, and then he checks what they say with those in the room where it happened. now, woodward is releasing audio, audio from the more than eight hours of discussions he had with candidate and

president donald trump. and while some of the content has been reported on before, woodward wants you, the american people, to hear from donald trump directly to see if you come to the same conclusions that he has, that, quote, the record now shows that trump has lead and continues to lead a seditious conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election, which in effect is an effort to destroy democracy, unquote. those are shocking words from bob woodward. an effort to destroy democracy, seditious conspiracy? why is we are seeing this now? we will ask him here live in a moment. but first, we need to acknowledge it's not as though trump stopped saying outrageous dangerous things. he simply lost access to his more mainstream unfiltered megaphones. whether twitter or facebook or a live feed from the white house lawn. few media outlets continue to cover his every speech or every

untethered post on his ironically named truth social twitter knock off. but, in some ways, trump's rhetoric, for those of us who have been following it, it has, there i say, gotten worse. case in point, what donald trump said at a rally over the weekend in texas about how he would handle the journalists and the publisher of political who broke the story of the supreme court draft opinion overturning roe v. wade. this is how donald trump said he would force those journalist to give him the name of their source. >> you say, who is the lead or? national security. and they say, we're not going to tell. you i say, that's okay, you're going to jail. [applause] and when this person realizes that he's going to be the bride of another prisoner very shortly -- [laughs] he will say i'd very much like

to tell you exactly who that leaker was, he was bill jones, he's the leaker, and we got him. >> we gotta. the rally crowd laughing along there, at donald trump, talking about threatening a reporter with prison rape. lest you think this is just classic trump, spouting off, trying to make the crowd laugh, donie from queens, you're on the air. folks who know donald trump well are afraid. here's former white house communications director alyssa farah griffin, who worries that if trump manages to become president again, his sequel will be all about retribution and changing america forever. >> you think that he will try to impose some form of autocracy? >> i think that he absolutely. would there are things he wanted to do when he was in power the first time that we're we'll be on the scope of what the u.s. president should be able to do. whether it's weaponizing the justice department against political opponents, whether it's, you know, going after the free press.

he certainly would be open to using the military for political reasons as well. >> so, keep that in mind from former trump insiders. that concern, when we listen to the trump interviews with bob woodward. what did trump say that caused a seasoned straight down the middle journalist to break the glass in case of emergency? let's start with the coronavirus pandemic, which has now killed more than 1 million people in the united states. the tapes seem to reveal a president who was caught completely underprepared and did very little in those first crucial months to course correct. even though two of trump's top national security advisers told woodward directly that they gave donald trump a clear and direct warning on january 28th, 2020. >> so, i didn't jump in at that point, i don't remember the exact phrase i used, this will be the biggest national

security threat you face a new presidency. i was pretty passionate about. it >> -- literally saying to the president, this will be the biggest security threat you will face as president. >> yes. >> a warning, january 28th, 2020. here is how trump responded in may, when woodward learned about that warning and asked trump about it. >> you knew national security adviser o'brien said to you on january 28th, mister president, this virus is going to be the biggest national security threat to your presidency. do you remember that? >> no, no, no i don't. i'm sure he said it, nice guy. >> now, as i said, woodward had not learned about the january 28th warning until may, may, more than 70,000 americans had already died from the virus. now, two months after that in july, trump gave woodward a

ring. and he said he finally had a plan to deal with the pandemic. but trump wanted to wait to release it until a time when it would better help him win reelection. >> have you seen the plan over the next four weeks -- you will see the plan, bob, i've got 106 days. that's a long time. you know, if i put out a plan now, people will not even remember it in 106 days. i want the last election -- >> it's not just put out the, planets execute it. >> you will see it starting in -- >> but it was not just trump's handling of the pandemic that led woodward to clear him a unparalleled danger. back in december 2019, trump shared letters with woodward that had been sent by north korean dictator kim jong-un. >> he wrote me beautiful letters. and they're great letters. we fell in love. >> we fell in love.

kim jong-un is of course a murderous tyrant who citizens are essentially prisoners in their own country. trump did not actually seem to care much about that, though. to woodward, trump only cared about dictators in terms of their relationships with him. >> it's funny that these relationships i have, the tougher and meaner they are, the better i get along with them. you have explain that to me someday, but it's not a bad thing. the easy ones are the ones i maybe don't like as much, i maybe get along with as much. >> that's another trait that alarmed woodward, along with plenty of national security experts. trump had a failure to understand the role that the president of the united states plays on the global stage. this is what trump was saying about putin in 2019. >> i respect putin. i think prudent likes me. i think i like him. >> both relationships, trump and putin, and trump and kim jong-un, continued to blossom throughout his presidency. trump watched not so poetic about kim jong-un with woodward

in december 2019. >> the word chemistry, you meet somebody, and you have a good chemistry. you meet a woman, in one second, you know whether or not it's all going to happen. >> you meet a woman in one second, you know whether or not it's going to have it. that is especially true, by the way, for the access hollywood tape at a myriad of sexual assault allegations, that consent is not really an issue. but beyond that, we're talking about the leader of the free world making foreign policy based on his perceptions of chemistry. now, for woodward, hearing is believing. that's why he's here tonight. so you cannot just read about but listen to donald trump. who, for instance, seem to have little interest in helping battle the biggest pandemic the world has seen since 1918. perhaps the most telling part of the trump tapes, however, is what trump would not say. woodward says that in all 20 interviews, there is only one time donald trump essentially said no comment. in summer 2020, around the time that the january 6th committee

says trump and his minions were beginning the plan to hold on to power, illegally and violently, and at all costs. >> everyone says trump is going to stay in the white house if it's contested. have you -- >> know, i won't even comment on that. >> sure. >> i won't comment at this. time hey, bob, i'll talk to you later tonight. >> we know now why trump would not answer that one question. his plan to desperately trying to stay in power, to try to throw out millions of american votes, to try and subvert democracy, ending in the deadly and bloody instructions. but that is just one of the data points, no means the only one. leading bob woodward to play these tapes for you tonight, to break with his normally detached reporting, and to sound the alarm. when we come back, woodward will join us live. and he's brought some new audio where them from the trump tapes,

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we're getting new insight into president trump thinking and attitudes during his years in the white house, breaking with 50 years of tradition. bob woodward is releasing recordings from his 20 different meetings with trump, and issuing a warning about a subject. woodward says one of the striking themes is the former presidents inability to reflect and take action on the coronavirus crisis that was enveloping the country. listen to one of woodward's exchanges with trump in the summer of 2020. >> was there a moment in all of this last two months where you said to yourself this is the leadership test of a lifetime? >> no. >> joining us now journals and author of the trump tapes bob woodward. and bob, you're doing something you've never done before,

releasing the tapes of your interview with trump. and you said hearing the audio is more telling than just seeing the words written on paper. you describe trump pounding in your ears. and that no in that last exchange that we just played, the former president is almost yelling no at you like he is angry. >> well, in he is dismissing any responsibility he has. and that no is like a thunderclap. i am walking away from this. if there was ever the leadership test of a lifetime for the president, it was this pandemic. it was a health and political crisis like we've not seen in this country. and he walked away from it. and as you listen to these tapes, particularly on the virus, but on any subject, he kind of goes from denial to

concealment to the crime. i call it a crime. not telling the people that he had been warned that by his national security advisers in the most vivid way, which is outlined in these tapes, the interviews with them where they are telling him. i've done, i've known 16 national security advisers going back to kissinger. and never once heard one come and tell the president this will be the biggest national security threat to your presidency. and it was not about china, russia, or iran. it was about a domestic health crisis that he was covering up. >> yeah, and he spent the next few weeks and months pooh-poohing publicly this striking chain of events in your tapes. we played earlier the sound of

national security adviser robert o'brien and former deputy security adviser matthew pottinger talk about how they warned trump. january 20th, 20, 20 that the coronavirus would be the greatest threat this president would face. two months after he was warned, he had this conversation with his son, baron, barren, young boy, 12:13, he was scared of the pandemic. here is portions from that conversation he had with trump about his conversations with barren in march. >> i wanted to capture the moment when your son, barron, asked you about this. >> well, he's just turning 14. so he was 13. the white house upstairs, in his bedroom. he said, dad, what's going? on i said it came out of china, barron. appearance in, pull it came out of china. and it should have been stopped. and to be honest with, you barron, they should have let it be known it was a problem two months earlier. and we, the world, we have 141

countries have it now, and i said the world would not have a problem. we could've stopped it easily. >> now, look, obviously the chinese government, there is a lot of blame to pluck and assigned to the chinese government. but here he is telling barron that he wish he knew about the threat to coronavirus two months earlier. but trump had been told about literally two months earlier in january. >> stunning, absolutely stunning. we -- who -- are parents know about that moment when you go to the bedside of the child and there is that human interaction that should be built on truth. but trump is saying, oh, china, they could've stopped this two months ago. trump could've stopped it two months ago. when i'm doing this interview with trump, on march 19th, i had no idea, it took me about six weeks to find out about the

warning. and i found out from o'brien and pottinger on may 1st. and when i heard that from them, i was a stunned as i've ever been as a reporter. because i go back and listen to this, and my god, trump's conning not just me but his son. >> yeah. >> and he is laying out oh, this could've been a fixed. the chinese could've done something about it. donald trump could've done something about it by being honest and warning the public that he, as president, as a constitutional and moral responsibility to do. >> and then there's this moment in april, april 5th, 2020, trump asked you what actions he should be taking to combat covid. take a listen. >> listen to the things you.

said did you write that down, or not? >> yes, i wrote them all down. >> read them out, go ahead, read. i'm >> the first is testing. >> and then you go through your list of what you suggest, and that's more than two months since the warning about the pandemic for national security adviser o'brien. the president is turning to you on what actions he should be taken. that must have -- had you worried about the state of the country, the state of the response. >> but he, he's not turning to me, frankly. i called him up. and between the period he closed the country down because of the virus, and this april 5th conversation, i talked to dr. fauci, doctor redfield, the other experts on this, and they said they're meeting with trump, he will not listen, he's got all these virus deniers in the room. and i said, what won't he listen about? so they lay out a series of

coordinations and, you know, setting up airline rules and defining simple things like what is an essential worker. so i realize i've got this information. they are telling me trump will not listen. i realize i can talk to trump. so i spend about 15 minutes going through these. and then at the end, he said, well, did you write them down? i went through them again thinking he is going to do something. you know what he did? absolutely zero. >> yeah. >> it was so sickening to see he was not doing these things, and he lost the avenue of communication with the experts. i asked him, at one point, i said did you ever sit down with doctor fauci? he's the expert. and trump says oh, no, this is

a busy white house. a busy white house. did not have time to sit down. i mean, it's like the president of the united states not talking to his chairman of the joint chiefs, he is their commander. it's almost, i mean, it really should be unbelievable. the problem is is exactly what happened out of trump's mouth. >> yeah, all too believable, bob woodward, stick around. we've got a lot more to talk about. even more taste backup why bob says trump poses a serious threat to democracy. what trump told him about our nuclear arsenal. and what worried him about donald trump's understanding, or lack thereof, a foreign policy. that's all next. stay with us.

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bob woodward has written for decades about presidents and four years about donald trump's cavalier attitude toward national security, from discussing on the golf course a drone strike on an iranian general, or the idea of pulling out of a trade deal with south korea. but there's something about actually hearing donald trump openly discussing nuclear weapon systems, secret ones, like this. >> i had built a weapons system that nobody ever had in this country before. we have stuff that you have not even seen or heard about. we have stuff that putin and xi have never heard about before.

>> bob woodward is out with the trump tapes, and he's back with us. bob, you looked into it after trump told you that one of your sources told you you are surprised that trump had disclosed the existence of this weapon system to you. >> yeah, i finally heard from somebody what it was. and it's true, xi and putin would not know about it. but why is trump bragging about it? again, it's just this -- what's the job of the president? the job of the president is to figure out -- i once said to trump, because he was kind of asking, what do you think the president's job is? and i said, it is to ascertain the next stage of good for a majority of people in the country, not one party or a bunch of influence groups, and then develop a comprehensive plan and execute it. and he said oh, that's good. that's great.

never did he do this. >> yeah. >> and, you know, you can tell in the tone of my voice and over persistence of what i'm saying that this is, this is dangerous, something needs to be addressed in the most serious way. >> yeah, and his disclosing that you certainly puts a new light on him having all these classified documents at mar-a-lago for years. i also want to play this exchange, this odd exchange you had with donald trump about kim jong-un. let's roll that tape. >> the cia says about kim jong-un that he's conning, crafty, but ultimately stupid. >> i disagree. he's counting, he's crafty, and he's very smart. >> why does the cia say that? >> because they don't know, okay, they do not know. they have no idea. i'm the only one who knows. i'm the only one he deals with.

you don't deal with anybody else. the word chemistry, you meet somebody and you have good chemistry, you meet a woman, in one second, you know whether or not it's all going to happen. >> and it is this all designed to drive him to the negotiating table? >> no, no, it was designed for whatever reason, it was designed, who knows? instinctively, let's talk instinct. >> it's such a strange exchange. i'm trying to listen with a open mind. you know, maybe he understands something the cia does not. certainly, they get things wrong all the time. but he does not provide any information. and then, you are trying to understand him. so, you're saying this about kim jong-un, and you have this chemistry, and the purpose is what? and he says, it was designed for whatever reason. it was designed, who knows, instinctively, let's talk and state. there no substance there at all. >> and here he is saying his decision is instinct.

and i kind of don't -- i mean, what a casual way, as i point out and one of my comments, 200 commentaries in the audio book, this traumatized his national security team. kim jong-un, the thuggish leader of north korea had nuclear weapons. he had missiles that he got from china, missile launches from china. and then he concealed them, and he hid them in a way that the cia was, my god, this guy, if we ever have to have a war or some sort of nuclear exchange with him, he's really advanced in the defense secretary, mattis, used to sleep in his gym clothes. because he knew if a missile was coming into the united states, he would be called to an emergency conference.

and i asked trump about this. trump had given the authority to mattis to shoot down an incoming missile like that. mattis was going to the national cathedral to pray to make peace with his god that as defense secretary, he might have to use nuclear weapons to defend our country. and this, the presidents presentation on this is, well, it's instate -- who knows? i mean, come on. i, i baffle, i am increasingly baffled the more that i hear the casual disconnect that in the sense he has of obligation to himself, i guess. i mean, about kim jong-un. i'm the only one who knows.

i mean, come on. i never heard -- i interviewed bots of presidents, and people who work with them, and got notes and transcripts of meetings in the white house. never heard another president say anything like that. i'm the old -- lots of big egos in the presidency, never heard one say, i, i'm the only one who knows. >> yeah, and also, just the relationship, not for negotiating, just for whatever, who knows. bob, stay with us. i want to talk to you more. someone else is about to join us. the other half of the legendary woodward bernstein duo. carl bernstein's take on the trump tapes, trump's legal peril, stay with us, that's all next.

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you cannot accuse woodward of waiting until after the trump presidency to sound alarms. it is 2018 book, fear, he wrote about trump's desire to assassinate syria's president. quoting trump's secretary of defense, jim mattis, let's effing kill, i'm let's go, and

let's kill the effing a lot of them. now, woodward points out in his new washington post book he edited rage with his following sentence, when his performance as president taken in its entirety, i could reach only one conclusion, trump is the wrong man for the job. two years later, i realized i did not go far enough. trump is an unparalleled danger. bob woodward is back with me. we're also joined with his legendary partner from the days of the washington post, carl bernstein. bob, this is something i've never heard you say in decades of reading and watching you, that one individual should not be president, poses a threat to the presidency, why is donald trump such a unique threat that he's causing you to issue this warning? >> well, first of all, he does not understand democracy. the country we have, the united states, was one of the rare countries formed on an idea.

and that idea is democracy. he does not understand that the january 6th committee has proven that. he does not understand that he's got to take care of the people, he's got to give them advice, warning, and he did not do this. carl and i have been talking about this for 50 years since the nixon case. >> carl, what's your take on bob's work here? obviously, and the warning he's issuing. >> this is a level of transgression by a president of the united states that is unique in our history. and that the power of listening to trump be negligent with bob on the phone, the level of transgression in every regard. he has no concern that has been expressed at any moment for the well-being of the united states, or democracy, or democratic

principles. we wrote in the 50th anniversary addition of all the presidents men a good deal about this characteristic of trump. and we quoted george washington, in his farewell address, saying the one we spot in american democracy was if on principled men sought to use the presidency for their own ends, such as trump has done. when you hear trump on those tapes talking about the pandemic, you are listening to the president of the united states commit negligent homicide of hundreds of thousands of people, innocent victims of his cover-up. it's unthinkable. and it's tape after tape after tape. the nixon tapes, very, very powerful. the recordings of richard nixon 's criminality, this is even more so. and every media person needs to listen to these. every reporter who covers the

white house, every member of congress with an open mind, listen to a president who wants to be in office again, and is totally unfit, unprepared, no knowledge of what he needs to do and serve the country. >> bobby, of interviewed, covered, written books about president since nixon. how is covering donald trump different from other presidents? >> well, this -- when i did the book rage, there are literally 90 pages where i quote these conversations. they were out there, including all of the ones we have played. earlier this year, i went back with my wife, elsa walsh, and great assistant, claire mullen, and we listen to this. and we said it's different. it thunders at you, and you see

in his tone that the continual effort to deny, conceal to the point that i conclude, and i think, if the january 6th committee was investigating the virus, and trump on some of these other issues, there would be other witnesses who would tell us things that we do not know. but what we know in trump's voice, and carl said, it is -- we spent all this time and we spend 50 years kind of re-doing, learning new things about nixon, his taste would come out. and there would be more histories. that was criminal. we will never take nixon off the hook. but nixon never applauded against his own people. yes, he did in the crimes of

watergate in -- and the espionage and sabotage campaign. but he -- i've never heard anything where he would say oh well, we are not going to worry about, like, the health of the people that he was president of. and this is what trump is doing. >> and carl, after years and bob's reporting on the trump presidency, capital, attack hearings with the january six committee, do you think the justice department will indict the former president, carl? >> i have no crystal ball, but what's very clear is there the proof is there already, just in terms of what the january 6th committee has developed. and hopefully, we have an attorney general and a system in place in the justice department that will allow the indictment of a former president of the united states for his crimes against the united states. no president has ever committed

these kinds and levels of crime against the united states. just stop and imagine a president who refuses to leave office, who finds the weak spot, a law that says you have to have the election of president generous six. and then sets up literally a physical barrier to prevent that from happening, and we watch in realtime recordings, the members of congress running, hiding, seeking shelter from the president of the united states and his minions, determined to overturn the free electoral process. it's time members of congress, particularly, and people in the justice department look at this evidence, dispassionately, and then, there's only one conclusion about donald trump being the president of the united states, what he has committed, and where he is

promising to go again. >> carl bernstein, bob woodward, thank you so much. and bob woodward audiobook, the trump tapes, will be available tomorrow. be sure to listen. it is some shocking stuff. coming up, more dirty tricks concerns putin, he's picking up a false flag operation to escalate his war against ukraine. with moscow actually unleash a dirty bomb, and then blame ukraine for it? and sided from the ranking republican on the house intelligence committee who just returned from ukraine and met with president zelenskyy. that is. next ♪ ♪ ♪ the personalized order. i know what i like. i've been meaning to ask you, carl. does your firm offer personalized index investing? hmm? so i can remove a stock that doesn't align with my goals. i'm a broker, not a barista. what about managing gains and losses to be more tax efficient? not a wizard either. looks like schwab personalized indexing can. schwaaab! learn more about personalized indexing at schwab today.

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>> vladimir putin's war in ukraine, now the white house and nato are dismissing russia's claim that ukraine is planning on setting up a so called dirty bomb and its own territory, so they can blame it on russia. a dirty bomb is a mix of explosives, such as dynamite, we do active materials. nato secretary general rejected that russian accusations, stressing that russia must not use it as a pretext for escalation. on friday, a bipartisan congressional delegation traveled from the united states to ukraine for a secret visit with ukrainian president zelenskyy, among the americans, the wrecking republican on the house intelligence committee, ohio congressman mike turner. congressman turner joins us live here in studio.

thanks for being here, congressman. appreciate it. what did you speak to zelenskyy about? what's his main concern right now heading into the winter? >> right, so we are all members of the intelligence committee. i am a member of the armed services committee. our first task was to look at the coordination of the assistance that they are receiving, and weapons systems, coordination of intelligence. and to get an update on the status of the conflict. the reports are real. they are making -- ukraine's making gains against russia in the east, and there are projections before the winter, they could take russia back to its border, predicts incursion, and up to crimea. that has resulted in addition to the crimean bridge being attacked, with this new threat of russia using missiles trying to take out the infrastructure in ukraine, and the iranian drones. we stood next to the power plant in kyiv. there is only one. russia has been attempting to hit it. that would take out the electrical power in kyiv. and they've had all the buildings around it, but not in.

they are continuing to try and target it. what president zelenskyy is asking for, and what we are trying, the united states, diligently trying even with our nato allies, to put together some sort of air defense, that would allow them to respond to this new threat to the iranian drones and these missiles, to try to preserve their infrastructure as they go into the winter. >> is their willingness to do that? is there something the u.s. can provide? i know that there is the biden administration has been -- cautious about what they give to ukraine, because they don't want to escalate matters further with russia. is there a solution to this problem with iranian drones? >> i think there is, both with, you know some of our allies, some over nato partners, obviously, some systems that are too exquisite to elaborate, to be able to put in the situation, but i think there is an ability to try and assist them, try to figure that out, i think, right now is our main task, for military's are. >> what about this idea that russia might explode a dirty bomb in ukraine so as to blame,

and then use it as a pretext to attack ukraine even further, a false flag operation? >> well, russia has a number, as you know of tactical nuclear weapons. that would be much easier for them to use. it will be harder for them to configure and a dirty bomb, but at the same time, the same effect can be achieved with their targeting, the nuclear power plant in ukraine that they have shelled previously. >> is that the one in zaporizhzhia? >> yes, the one they controlled, anything catastrophic there would be devastating, both to ukraine and a lot of europe. >> so, as you know, iran has been providing washout with drones. they've been using them largely against ukrainian civilian population. president zelenskyy suggested russia could also be assisting iran with iran's nuclear program in return. is there intelligence at all that supports this idea that there is a quote going on here? >> it's certainly there's cooperations going on here. and you see it with russia and in syria and iran. you see it now with, actually,

the direct aid and coordination between russia and iran. and also now with iran assisting russia. i think what is really important about this, it gives you a real opportunity for israel to change its position, where it has stayed out of this conflict, to say, wait a minute, you know, we now have iran that's engaging, the israeli allies, including the united states, they have certainly a long term benefit of us all being able to defeat iranian systems. so, i think this is a real opportunity for them to evaluate the neutrality that they've had entering this conflict, indefensibly, to help even in the air defense system that smolenski is asking for. >> yes, zelenskyy has been critical of israel for not doing more to help. today, you suggested that republicans in the house will resist a large ukraine funding package, if democrats include with it a host of unrelated spending measures. mccarthy had said something similar, maybe not as, nuanced, as what you've said.

but it does seem to put house republicans at, at least with mitch mcconnell, the leader of the senate republican, who said the biden administration realize you need to do more to spy the tools ukrainians to remove russian aggression. this is obvious. this must include air defenses, long-range fire, the military and economic support to help this war torn country enjoy this coming winter. do you disagree with mitch mcconnell? >> well, i think it is one of how much does it cost for us to get $1 to ukraine. i actually had this conversation with president zelenskyy. he raised the issue at the election, will there be a difference? he is very much aware of the last big bill that was passed in the house. it was 40 billion dollars to send eight billion to ukraine. we've also spent a tremendous amount of humanitarian aid, it was sent to the united nations instead of sending it to ukraine. and in an unbelievable markup cost. so, i think what we need to do, especially because ukraine is being successful, because our weapons are allowing them to be successful, and this conflict is not likely to wane.

we really need to evaluate how do we make the conduit of getting $1 to president zelenskyy cheaper, and get that weapon in his hands quickly and also, it can be employed against the russians. >> all right, the ranking republican on the house intel committee, mike turner, thank you so much for being here. we'll be right back. y pay for what you need! (limu squawks) he's a natural. only pay for what you need. ♪liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.♪

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