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finney and ron brownstein. great to have you guys here. let's start with the senate debate, the john fetterman and mehmet oz debate that just happened tonight, and of course crime came up. it's been a big issue in that race. so let's hear their exchange. >> i'm the only person on this stage right now that has -- is successful about pushing back against gun violence and being the community more safe. all he has done is just put a plan up on his website in the last 24 hours. he has no experience. he has never made any attempt to try to address crime. >> the fraternal order of police from braddock, the small town he represent, endorsed me. they supported me because what he is saying is not true. violence skyrocketed in braddock. i mean the town wasn't in good shape when he got there. it got worse when he was there. >> okay, scott, have at it. i know you're chomping at the bit. >> i thought this was an

important exchange. it's become one of the central issues in the campaign, and it's one of fetterman's weak points. his personal record on the parole board, his statements about letting people out of jail, trying to empty the jails, one-third of people, this has become the real reason that republicans have been able to reel in this race and make it especially a tied race. overall tonight, he will just tell you, apart from this topic, i thought this was the unraveling of one of the biggest scandals going on in this midterm cycle. >> what's that? >> the covering up and the lying about the status of john fetterman. we were told oh, he mushes words together. and if he has this accommodation, it's just a hearing problem. they have not been honest with people from the minute this happened way back in the primary. they pushed this debate off as far as they could. it all came out tonight. there is no way to have watched this thing and analyzed it and said this is fine. no way. >> karen, i know you feel differently because you've had

some personal experience with this. it wasn't just -- i don't think they ever said he mushes words together. they said he has auditory processing issues. >> yes. and he might miss words. >> he said -- it was in his opening statement. he said oh, i mush words together. that's what he said. >> he has also previously said, they have explained a little bit more. healing is not linear, scott. i'm here to tell you, nine months ago, i couldn't drink a sip of water. and look at me now. my doctor said to me, you'll never have your voice back. >> that's because you had a brain tumor. >> i had a brain tumor, had it removed and my left vocal chord is paralyzed. somehow my body found a way. i think it's hard when we're talking about medical situations they're lying. you don't know. and that's part of the problem. we don't know. healing is not linear. the human body is amazing. now what i will say is it was tough to watch. i mean, he had a few moments where he clearly got his hits in. on crime, i wish he would say i

will not be lectured to by a republican party that defends january 6th, that voted against putting more cops on the street. i wish more of my democrats would get a little more fierce on that topic. but i also think mehmet oz, he has a few flubs himself. basically, as walked right into the reproductive freedom talking point. i don't want local government in the exam room with me when i'm trying to decide my personal health care business. so i don't disagree that it was -- i probably wouldn't have done it. if i was working for fetterman, i would have said let's just take the hit and not do it. >> not debate at all. >> not debate at all. because also from what i understand, he was not good in debates in the primary. so it's already something you're not good at, particularly when you're healing and it is so hard, i can't tell you how hard it was just to try and you're so self-conscious that anything you say, any word you miss, people

are going to be looking at you like does she understand what i'm saying? and in my brain i know exactly what you're saying. saying it louder is not going actually help me spit it back out to you faster. >> that's frustrating. >> we're talking about the debate overall, and not just crime, i think it's very hard or the anybody to watch that and not have questions about whether he is capable of doing the job today. right? but there are, i think offsetting factors. and the question will be how much do they count. one is saying he is getting better. as you were saying, what says capacity today may not be his capacity in the spring or summer of 2023. the second issue is that for a lot of voters, the individual matters much less than they used to. in the senate, they're voting for which party they want in control. whether they want mitch mcconnell or chuck schumer deciding what is voted on. there are certainly other candidates in the country who obviously don't have the physical issues, but you can kind of look at their command of the issues and say is this person ready to be a senator today? >> you mean georgia? >> that might be one.

but there are a lot of voters for whom the ability of the individual is secondary. having said that, i don't think people could watch that and come away with the feeling that yes, he is fully capable today of doing this job. the question is how many voters is that dispositive. >> before you do, he has an auditory processing issue. he did release a letter from his doctor last week. and a way to put a potential -- an end to the conversations where a medical professional described what any short comes he had, and he did not describe them as a cognitive issue whatsoever. so i want to be very careful when we're talk about one's capacity and capability to do the job, as if it translates immediately to one's cognitive understanding. i don't know that's to be the case. having said that, i don't know, i don't know if voters who are looking at the power dynamic you speak of, ron, will appreciate

the nuance. >> i think somebody who appreciated this in the moment and reported on it and was savaged and that we ought to talk about tonight, because we talked about her on the show a few nights ago is the journalist dasha burns who interviewed fetterman who said he has trouble in small talk. he did not seem to be processing what we were talk about. the savagery from the fetterman campaign, from fetterman's wife, other media outlets, his wife said she should be fire an face consequences for what we now know is reporting the truth. everybody owes her an apology for the way she was treated. we know tonight everybody has been trying to slough this off like it's no big deal. it is a huge deal. i don't care his doctor, the campaign, if that guy was my doctor and told me i was going to be all right, i'd get a second opinion. >> regardless of whether or not john fetterman is up to the task is that crime is being used obviously in so in different

races and seen as we learned in the voter panel, that we had on last week, democrats and republicans both see crime. but they see it very diff differently. republicans see crime as street crime. street crime is up. you're afraid to ride the subway. democrats that we talk to see crime as access to weapons and school shootings and mass shootings. things like that. and it's just an interesting -- >> and you saw that in the other debates tonight. in the governor debate in michigan the key exchange was about gun violence, particularly in schools with governor whitmer really pushing tude ing really pushing tude tutor dixo. i wrote a piece last week on a study by seven academics that looked at the murder rates in all of the major cities in the country and found that since 2016, they had actually increased slightly faster in the cities with traditional hardline prosecutors than in the cities

with the progressive -- quote progressive prosecutors who are implementing many of the policies that are under attack in these campaigns like eliminating cash bail, prosecuting fewer juveniles as an adult. that doesn't mean that their policies were necessarily reducing crime, but it also kind of blows up the idea that it's systematically increasing. >> ron, ron. who commits murders and violent acts in this country? you know the number one predictor is if you've committed one before. >> right. >> and the people who commit violent crimes in this country are the people out of jail after committed in the first place. >> scott -- >> you don't think that. >> yes, i do think that. >> but you're talking over a prosecutor. do you really think recidivism is the only methodology people commit crime? >> most of the murders in this country are committed by people who have committed previous violent acts. why are they out of jail. >> you believe in a universal life sentence? >> i believe in keeping violent people in jail. >> but your comment was that they idea to stem crime is to make sure people who you believe

have committed crimes before should never be let out of prison. we believe in a universal life sentence? >> i believe if you are a violent person and you have murder and raped and killed and done the most violent, heinous acts and you are somehow finding yourself walking around on the street, if i were living in one of these cities, and i do live in one, louisville, kentucky. why is that? some dude walked up behind two people in louisville this week, randomly slit the throat of two tourists in downtown louisville. why are people out walking around. >> the horror you describe -- >> but i'm channelling the average voter who doesn't feel safe walking outside. >> i totally agree with that. we have an interesting statistic. i just today what are the crime statistics? we hear so much about it. here are some of the top cities. philadelphia, homicides, violent crime down 5.8% over last year. but robberies, street crimes up. okay. atlanta, homicide, no change. robbery down. milwaukee, homicides up, robbery

down. new york, homicides down, 14.3%. robberies up, my point is this is the evergreen bogeyman, because everybody can relate to not wanting to be the victim of a crime. but the stats tell a little bit of a different story. that violent crimes are down. >> your point, ron, in the story was you compare a city that has a so-called progressive prosecutor versus one that does not, it's not actually what's happening. >> what causes crime to rise and fall is so complex and multivass setted. and the idea that decisions of the prosecutor -- this is not me. these are the criminologists who did this report. what they found was that the decisions of prosecutors, who are pursuing the kind of policies that are under attack in wisconsin and pennsylvania and elsewhere simply do not have a significant impact. the murder rate increased more quickly in cities with hard line prosecutors than with the progressive prosecutors.

the larceny and burglary rates were almost identical. there are a lot of things. crime is up from the low point of 2014. it is still way below what it was in the 1990s. it's actually plateaued in 2022 after having a big increase during the pandemic years when all sorts of social relations and communities were disrupted. but it's the evidence does not support the idea that one approach to prosecution is systematically better at holding down crime rates than another. >> and also, the policies that we're talking about. we're not talking about putting violent criminals back on the street. >> he is. he is talking about letting murderers out of jail. >> we're talking about, again, you heard me say this before. there are over 500,000 people who are in jail for petty crimes because they can't afford bail. those are black and white people, those are poor people. so that's what -- when we're talking about progressive prosecutors and some of these policies. however, scott, this is exactly the talking points that we are

seeing on the campaign trail every day, demagoguing what is happening with crime. the statistics are telling a slightly different story. and again, why is it then that the republicans voted against putting more police on the streets? >> no one believes that the republicans are against the police. i'm sorry. >> really? they said defund the fbi. >> who invented the term defund the police? the democrats. that's who invented it. >> they did say defund recently. >> i want to play first the top democrat in the country, joe biden for president did say that he does not adhere to that principle. and the predecessor democrat, barack obama similarly said the same thing about not wanting to defund the police. let's play this sound bite. we're talking about the new york governor's race zeldin and hochul on the point of crime. >> there is no crime fighting plan if it doesn't include guns, illegal guns. and you refuse to talk about how we can do so much more. you didn't even show up for votes in washington when a

bipartisan group of enlightened legislators voted for an assault weapon ban. we lost another child and a teacher yesterday in st. louis because people will not support what i was able to get done here in new york, and that is a ban on assault weapons for teenagers. you can't even do, they kathy hochul believes that the only crimes being commit ready these crimes with guns. and you have people who are afraid of being pushed in front of oncoming subway cars. they're being stabbed, beaten to death on the street with hammers. we need to be talking about all of these other crimes, but instead kathy hochul is too busy pat:00 hess on the back, job well done. no, right now there should be a special session. they t state legislature should come back and overhaul bail and other laws with zero tolerance. >> that perfectly encapsulates the debate between democrats and republicans. >> it's kind of gone out of fashion, but it reminded me listening to that when ej deion, way back when talked about false choices. and then you had the 1994 crime bill that said you didn't really have to choose.

you could higher more police, you can spend more money or prevention, and you could ban assault weapons. they did all of that then. and the debate essentially -- >> a few problems with the crime. we'll that go for now. >> i understand. >> it is out of vote negative, i did say it was out of vote. >> but the assault weapons ban worked. it worked. >> look, will is nothing incompatible saying you want more policing, more respect for the community from the police and more restrictions on access to guns. those should not be incompatible positions. it's just very hard to get there in the way the politics now flows. >> if you live in pennsylvania, you're looking at a new story on your local news right now that wawa, the convenience had to close two locations in philadelphia because it's too violent to keep them open. you literally can't keep open the convenience store. so i understand your academic lecture about prosecutorial politics. but what voters see and what

they hear and what they know is that they live in philadelphia, they live in a violent place where you can't even go to the convenience store. and fetterman's record on this was fair game. i thought oz prosecuted it well. i think it's why zeldin has closed the gap in new york because people inhornetly want to be safe. it's not partisan. >> i'll tell you, while we're having these conversations, we would be remiss if we didn't mission as we're talking about the greater society and being afraid to go in convenience stores, a 15-year-old girl was gunned down in her school in st. louis. a teacher as well. alexandria was her name bell, just 15 years old. and her teacher in the school, jean kuczka, 61 years old. >> by yet another troubled 19-year-old man who got his hands on an ar-15. >> the reason i bring this back is it goes back to the point that you raise, and just thinking about the life that has been lost and a sweet little girl and a teacher as well. when republicans are talking about crime and the way you're speaking about, about homicide and crime outside society. and you've got democrats talking

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trump has been waging to block former advisers from testifying in front of the federal grand jury investigating january 6th. back with us now to discuss scott jennings, karen finney and ron brownstein. you know, as we're talking about the greater issue of democracy in peril, the president now is saying, of course, that democracy is on the ballot. we know abortion is on the ballot. crime is on the ballot, a number of issues. when you hear about this and think about the reporting that there is still an interest by doj in particular to try to get the testimony surrounding january 6th, is there still the electoral appetite do you think? >> look, i mean, inflation is 9%. the president's approval is at 40%. in that climate, it is going to be tough for the party in power. one of the reasons they are still in the game, democrats are still in the game, at least for controlling the senate is because in fact over the summer, they were able to energize and activate their voters around issues, including the preserving of democracy as well as abortion. does that completely erase all

the at are out there? obviously not. but it is a mistake to say that that is not a factor also in itself. clearly one of the reasons i think democrats have been able to close, not eliminate, but reduce the enthusiasm gap, and also hold on to so many white collar voters are also facing inflation and lowering 401(k)s is because there is a genuine concern about what the trump movement means for the future of american democracy. not necessarily a majority voting proposition, because people worry about other things. but it is a factor in allowing them to at least day sntay in te game. >> this is neither here nor there. they're pressing on with their investigations. taking a while. >> it is taking a while. i think that's exactly the point. that is what donald trump does oh so well when it comes to litigation. how do you stretch this out? and i would imagine part of their strategy, get it past election day. he is hoping for a more favorable congress who will look out for him, who will attack joe

biden. i've served in a white house that was under siege, and they don't have the same amount of time and energy to fight on some of the other fronts. and i would imagine that's part of the strategy. >> they should ask jon stewart to try to hone in. did you see this clip that's going around about him? well, watch this. tell me if you think he should be part of the team to quicken things up. >> donald trump lost arizona, period. i've said that from the very beginning. there have been isolated incidents thus far that we've identified. >> yes. >> and we are prosecuting. >> yes. >> we still have. so active investigations going on, but people can draw their own conclusions. -- no, people cannot draw their own conclusions. that's point of the law. the law is that you have facts and you have fiction. >> right. >> the fact is the election in arizona was well run, not fraudulent, and not stolen from donald trump, according to even your investigations. >> i have never said --

>> why is so it hard to just say yes to that? >> i guess because i've spent most of my career as a prosecutor, and we still have some ongoing cases. >> so in your mind, you still feel like after all this, you're going to discover -- >> no. >> a concerted effort to steal the election from donald trump and that it was fraudulent. is that what you're saying? >> no, that's not what i'm saying. >> so why can't you say the election in 2020 was not stolen or fraudulent? >> i will tell you this. as i said -- >> this is blowing my mind. >> is it really? >> i'm a prosecutor, and i say yes or no. i mean -- here's where i think scott it always comes down to. they say there are isolated incidents that wouldn't change anything. that doesn't mean that the whole election was fraudulent. but that's what they hang their hat on. there were isolated incidents so i can't say it. why. that won't change anything.

you know donald trump didn't win the state. they cling to the isolated incidents as though that's going to tip the balance. >> he is obviously responding to constituents. he is hearing from people. he feels like he has to be responsive to them. i guess if he wanted to put this in a silver lining around this is that if a prosecutor like this guy, who acknowledged at the beginning of the interview that donald trump did not win arizona. he said that right out of the gate, i guess over time he continues to fail to find any evidence of something happening. >> tick-tock, it's been a couple of years. >> it's been three years. >> eventually maybe people will say okay, i guess there wasn't. but -- >> that doesn't seem to be happening. >> the issue is there is a group of people no matter what they're told are going to continue to believe this. and trump relies on that group. >> right. >> to maintain his status. >> that clip is why americans are worried about democracy. that's what that clip says. because that pretzel logic of why can't you just say. and actually "the washington post" just did a report on this. in three years, 20 cases.

and in those 20 cases, you know, it's like a couple of people, some people voted. >> sometimes they're republicans. >> so i mean, so that's the thing. and this is the other thing that is so fascinating, the fact that he has been investigating has actually created more conspiracy theories and less certainty about the voting in arizona. >> i don't know if jon stewart -- i didn't see the whole interview. i don't know if he asked him this. but the real question to ask is not looking back, it's looking forward. today there are people with automatic weapons in tactical gear, hiding their license plates, sitting outside of drop boxes in arizona, intimidating people dropping off their ballots. and what that says is that the -- this is almost like one of the movies where the contagion has escaped the lab. whether or not they prosecute donald trump ultimately, the election denial and the corollary of that efforts to intimidate voters or toe make it

harder to vote has spread broadly within the party. we're talking about full-scale conspiracy theorists who might get elected as secretary of state in arizona and nevada in climate where voters are dissatisfied with the party in power. the extent of this threat now goes so far beyond trump, it has infected so many of the republican party, so many officials feel they have to bend to that group which is not an incidental part of the coalition. you're talking 2/3 to 3/4 of republicans saying that the election was stolen that is not just an attitude that looks back. it is an attitude that shapes what is coming next. >> yes. >> and we're all gearing up for this crisis in 2024. you look at a state like arizona. the wolf is at the door. the crisis is here now. and i think there is a question from him to the attorney general of the u.s., merrick garland, what are they going to do to protect voters' rights in this climate. >> a republic if you can keep it. >> thank you, all. we have a few moredid samuel al the justice who wrote the opinion overturning roe v. wade

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in 2005, then supreme court nominee samuel alito told senator ted kennedy that he respected roe v. wade and that he believed a right to privacy was, quote, settled law. this is according to entries in the late senator's diary and published in the "new york

times." alito is quoted as saying "i believe that there is a right to privacy. i think it's settled as part of the liberty clause of the 14th amendment and the 5th amendment. so i recognize there is a right to privacy. i'm a believer in precedence. i think on the roe case, that's about as far as i can go. kennedy was skeptical of those claims at the time, and it was that very right to privacy that alito called into question in the dobbs decision that overturned roe v. wade this summer. and with the abortion bans going into effect across the country, the comments of renewed questions of whether some conservative justices had misled the country in their nomination hearings. we're back with scott jennings, karen finney and ron brownstein. that rings a bill, the misleading. paging senator susan collins. >> i'm so shocked. >> she felt that way about brett kavanaugh. >> yeah, we could have told her he was misleading. as a matter of fact, we did. sure. it's no surprise that what this reveals is what we've been

talking about for months now, which is that the supreme court has taken a hard right turn and certainly many of these decisions that are coming down feel much more about ideology. in fact, in the alito decision, there are sections that are taken from right wing talking points. so, yes, it turns out ideology factors into supreme court decisions these days which does not bode well for our democracy. >> compared to collins, did not vote in favor. remember the moment that the dobbs decision came out, alito was actually speaking tonight at the heritage foundation. and he commented on the investigation. here it is. >> and it's beneficial to have the expression of a variety of views. so i think personally, you know, here, again, i have no special status in talking about this. nine is a good number. somewhere in the middle range. some supreme courts have seven.

they find that workable. something in sort of the middle range would be a good number. >> there was a clip instead where he is talking about something else, where he is mentioning the idea, and i'll paraphrase here, the supreme court justice, i like that, is the idea of saying instead i'll play the part on television today. the idea that he felt that that leak gave people license to try to harm the justices. >> yes. overturn the decision. >> because they thought they could harm one, that would change everything. hence talking about nine. >> alito feels himself a victim quite often. almost every speech he gives is some kind of grievance at how religious people are discriminated against or conservatives are discriminated against. i kind of look at this -- and by the way, i think it was john farrell biography of ted kennedy. so shout out to john on that, that unearthed the diary entry. they feel -- he feels empowered. i mean, you know, it is more his court at this moment than john

roberts. and the fact that he was willing to go as far as he was on dobbs after saying that to ted kennedy once, to me is a signal that they are not done in this project of reconsidering precedence that really have evolved since the 1960s, the idea of a rights revolution in which we have nationalized more rights and reduced the ability of states to constrain those rights. i don't think this majority is done unraveling that. and where it goes next, contraception, same-sex marriage. >> voting rights. >> i don't know. >> is it a catalyst for voters still? >> more so than it used to be actually, abortion certainly is. >> well, freedom. for a lot of women, when we're talking about the overturning of roe v. wade, it is literally the freedom to control your body. and that means access to abortion. and that is where it connects to democracy. >> i worked on alito's staff. i don't think there is a republican in the country that would take kennedy at his word

on anything. >> you don't think that those were alito's words? >> i don't know. -- >> you think kennedy lied to his own diary? >> do you want to litigate some of the things ted kennedy did in his life, ron? >> are you saying you think he lied to his own diary in the moment? >> i think liberals right now are trying to make themselves feel better about the way this court has broken down and try to argue that people have misled and this and that and the other. these are conservative justices. they are strict constructionists. they have never presented themselves otherwise. >> they said that they believed that it was precedent and that roe v. wade was settled law. and it's been reaffirmed. >> that's not what it said. he did not say roe v. wade was settled law. none of these people in their confirmations promise they'd would rule in a certain way on a case. >> don't you think saying things like that they felt it was precedent and they respected stare decisis? >> you can believe in precedent, but at some times some things deserve to be unwound. it's happened before in this

country on really bad issues. >> excuse me. one of the things that he mentioned in the diary entry which news flash to all prosecutors and evidentiary rule followers that a diary entry is no longer evidence you can actually include because credibility is an issue for scott jennings. but i'll tell you about this. he mentioned that alito wrote a memo for the reagan administration in which he spoke about why he felt roe v. wade ought to be overturned. and then he told kennedy according to the diary entry that he did that because he wanted to essentially conform his viewpoints to secure a promotion. that is the reason why alito he believed was not -- if you can conform your viewpoints for a promotion, what might you do for a life tenure position? >> once again, i think the key issue is looking forward, not looking back. the difference between the language alito used in public and certainly in private to teddy kennedy and the further ferocity and confidence of that decision just suggests to me how

much more unbound they feel at this moment than he did then. and that signals to me that they are not done. and that we are going to face a series of decision, whether it's affirmative action, whether it's further constrictions on blue states on religious -- civil rights versus religious freedom or guns. this court is not done trying to unravel a lot of things that americans have come to understand as part of their legal framework. and that is going to be i think a growing issue in politics in the way that abortion is now. >> and it's going to continue to threaten the legitimacy of the court. >> really interesting, guys. >> we shall see. speaking of lawsuits, i told you, alisyn, baseball is not america's favorite pastime. it's litigation. >> i clung to that quote of yourself. >> i'm sorry, world series. i know it's coming up. >> pass the bar. >> look, used to be a part of washington. i won't go into it right now. but i will go into what's happening next on this program, and that's a missouri woman who is suing the cosmetics giant

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a missouri woman is suing l'oreal, claiming their hair straightening products directly caused her uterine cancer. according to the lawsuit, jenny mitchell used l'oreal's products from around 2000 until march of 2022. she was diagnosed with uterine cancer in august of 2018 and underwent a full hysterectomy the following month. the lawsuit comes days after a major study found frequent use of chemical hair straightening products could put women at a higher risk of developing uterine cancer. we reached out to l'oreal numerous times for a response but have yet to hear back. jenny mitchell joins me now along with her attorney ben crump. jenny, mr. crump, so nice to see both of you, but not under these circumstances. can you just help us to understand, jenny, what it was like to have seen the study that came out linking, according to the nih, uterine cancer to some of these products.

what did that feel like hearing that? >> it felt like i was reliving it all over again. it was hard to hear. but it was shocking. >> how long had you been using the products? and do you think it is tied to the uterine cancer that you were diagnosed with? >> i definitely believe so. i have been using these products since as far as i can remember, since i was 8 years old. that's typically when most african american young girls and families start to use these products. and so, yes. since i was around 8 years old. >> and part of that concern, ben, i'll turn to you on this, the study talks about the prolonged use in particular of these products. and we know with the different

societal standard, we talked about it on this show in the past when the study came out about beauty, about the consequences in the workplace, things that prompted the crown act, for example. there is a great deal of pressure and preference to use these sorts of products. you file this lawsuit, and it's one of now at least three in this nation. why do you think this is so important to file it and what do you hope to accomplish? >> well, laura coates, being the parent of a black daughter and having many young black women in our families that we need to ring the alarm. i mean, this i believe because our daughters' health are at risk. we don't want our daughters to get uterine cancer and have to have a total histoysterectomy l jenny mitchell and go into

menopause before the age of 30. we believe this is a public health crisis. if it was your daughter, wouldn't you say let's make sure that we address this. let's not have any of our little girls choose any more of these chemical relaxers because we believe based on the science there is a direct and approximate cause that two to one they have a stronger chance of being diagnosed with uterine cancer. and i don't care about this european standard of beauty. our black girls are beautiful enough without having to conform to american standards of beauty at the risk of losing their uterus. >> well, jenny, to that point, certainly we are also american and also defining the standard and thinking about the way in which we approach it. you know, thinking about all this and just your experience, and you've been vocal about this, and through this lawsuit, the crux of this is that this

wasn't happenstance according to litigation. this was a knowing marketing based on the use of products and the ingredients included that there would be that link. what message to you want to share about this lawsuit? >> i just want to bring awareness, and i don't want another young woman at the age of 28 years old to develop uterine cancer and have to go through menopause before the age of 30 because of these products that are on the shelf. and lose the dream of carrying their own child. nobody wants that. >> thank you for coming on and sharing your story. and i will follow. we will continue to cover this litigation. mr. crump, jenny, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> thank you, laura. >> jenny is really brave. she is really brave to share her

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