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ideas forward for states decide for themselves. >> the question is what will pennsylvania voters make of what they saw and heard. we will have early answers tonight. and another close senate race, herschel walker heard a second woman's allegations that he pressured her into having an abortion in 1993. she says her motives are not political, she is a registered independent and once voted for the former president. recent polling in georgia shows the race to be tight there. we begin with pennsylvania. john fetterman has been speaking. jeff, a brutal debate last night. what is the latest following it? >> reporter: just a few moments ago john fetterman came to this rally. you can see behind me the dave matthews band is rallying supporters. but john fetterman directly addressed the elephant in the room. he directly addressed his challenges at the debate last night in harrisburg and he bluntly said he is recovering from his stroke. listen to what he said.
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>> and honestly of course to be honest, doing that debate wasn't exactly easy, you know. knew it wasn't going to be easy after having a stroke after five months. in fact -- >> we love you! [ cheers and applause ] >> in fact, in fact, i don't think that's ever been done before in american political history before, actually. you know, after that stroke, i got knocked down, but i got back up. >> reporter: so then he went on to go directly after his rival mehmet oz. in fact, in a sharper manner than we saw on the debate stage last night, particularly going after him on the question of abortion rights. that has become a central issue here that fetterman campaign released a new ad today focusing
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on the words about abortion, when dr. oz said on the stage last night local political leaders should have a role in making the decisions for women. he also said that his campaign raised $2 million today after the debate. but even though his performance here on the stage, i would say he spoke for 15 minutes or so, was much stronger than last night, it was that televised debate last night, of course, that will have a much -- a bigger impact on voters. >> yeah, you have been speaking to voters there. what have you been hearing and do you get the sense that last night's debate changed anyone's mind? >> reporter: we did talk to several voters today and fetterman supporters, if they went into the debate supporting him, they stuck with him even though one told me she is worried that dr. oz has more ammunition against him. but take a listen to these conversations we had earlier today in bedford, pennsylvania. >> he gets healthier every day.
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you can see that by watching him on the television things. the stroke is a hard thing to get over. >> it was embarrassing. i was embarrassed to think that anybody with that present situation, health and the way he thinks and his mind and his -- what he wants for pennsylvania would actually be running. it was embarrassing to me. >> reporter: so definitely a mixed bag there among voters. talking to fetterman supporters here tonight, they still very much believe in his candidacy but they are deflated that that was such a big opportunity to really prosecute the case against dr. oz. and that was what i heard throughout the day, a sense of disappointment, he was not able to make the same arguments he has been making on social media, his campaign has been making on twitter against oz. but even though 700,000 people have already voted in pennsylvania, there are still two weeks left in this race. almost two weeks. so to say this race is over would certainly be an
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overstatement. but there is no doubt that the momentum that the oz campaign carried into the debate still seems to be continuing. anderson. >> appreciate it. john king at the magic wall. where should we be watching to see the impact much this debate? >> without a doubt we will see polls in the next couple of days. i would urge people at home in the commonwealth of pennsylvania be patient, don't buy into the first poll. sometimes it takes several days. people may have an initial reaction, rethink it, might be persuaded otherwise. if you could go talk to voters, where would i go? last time i was on the program i was talking about northampton county, a swing county, north of allentown. back to some past campaigns to show you why it is so important. number one, let's go back to 2020 and bring up the presidential race in northampton county. joe biden barry wins. he wins the commonwealth, he wins the presidentsy. the 2016 presidential race, donald trump narrowly wins
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northampton county, wins pennsylvania and the presidency. 2016 interesting because of a senate race that year. pat toomey, the republican incumbent now, who is retiring, which is why you have fetterman and oz, wins northampton county, swing voters. will they be influenced by the debate last night? the other place, anderson, would be down here as always, the suburban color around philadelphia. pat toomey won two of these counties, bucks county and he won chester county. he was re-elected to the united states senate. donald trump carried pennsylvania in 2016. in those suburbs they have been trending democratic. hillary clinton carried them both. so the suburbs around philadelphia, especially bucks county and northampton county, that's where i would look. give it a few days to settle in. we will see the impact. >> when it comes to control of the house, how does the map shift? >> republicans are optimistic.
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where we are now at the moment, 2022, this is the current house right now. if you look at the balance of power in the house, you see the narrow democratic majority. republicans need a net gain of five. why are republicans confident? if we were having this conversation a couple months ago, they would say maybe 15. now some republicans think it could get as high as 30. why do they think that? if you look at the map of competitive house districts, 78, we work with our partners inside elections on this, 75. 53 democrats, 22 republican districts now being defended that we call competitive. there were three new drawn up because of the redistricting also. you can tell by the numbers. democrats on defense in more than twice as many house districts right now. they go from coast to coast. you have two in new mexhampshir one in the state of rhode island. early in the east, new hampshire, rhode island, places like new york where you are, and
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then you see the blue. even out in oregon, traditionally a blue state the last 25 years, two democratic districts here. you move to big california and look at the numbers as well. nine competitive districts, eight of them democrats. doesn't mean democrats will lose them all but democrats are back on their heels and republicans think things are settling in where they think it is a possibility, remember, democrats know this in the house. democrats got the majority in the 2018 blue wave. a lot of democrats are thinking president, first term, midterm, will it be like that again? you can tell by that blurks democrats are on defense. >> stay with us. i want to bring in dana bash along with someone who has experience in national races, former virginia governor and democratic national committee chairman terry mcauliffe. we played what john fetterman said. i want to play a little bit more. >> last night, last night i said that -- i want to get this right -- quote, local political
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leaders should be decide whether a woman should be able to get an abortion. [ crowd booing ] >> they seem like doug mas mastriano. you know, for some of the focus -- focus on the words that i miss, he really has to say that he has the worst line of that night. >> how damaging do you think it was last night for fetterman? >> well, let nisei this, anderson. >> sorry. this is for dana. >> oh, okay. >> well, i'll answer quickly because i know that the governor will probably have a lot of comments from the democrats he is talking to. democrats i'm talking to in all candor are a little bit deflated, a little bit, you know, feeling sort of kricringy
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the performance but they are trying to take solace in what you just heard from john fetterman tonight. that the idea of abortion is huge in pennsylvania and that dr. oz stepped in it with regard to abortion. a democrat texted me tonight saying if local politicians are going to be in the exam room, that's going to be a very crowded exam room. this is a commonwealth pennsylvania where abortion is a big deal. the problem for democrats and for john fetterman in particular is that if you were talking about this issue, i don't know, five weeks ago, six weeks ago, it would have had probably a bigger impact on the electorate. as big as abortion might be in pennsylvania, the economy, inflation, all of the economic hardships that people are feeling all over the country, they are also feeling in pennsylvania. and so sort of messing up on the issue of abortion might not be enough, especially with the
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performance and the issue that he had a stroke and that was very obvious last night and whether he can perform in the senate. >> governor, i want to play another moment from last night when fetterman was asked about his evolving stance on fracking. watch. >> i support fracking and i don't -- i don't -- i support fracking and i stand -- and i do support fracking. >> governor mcauliffe, how alarming do you think that moment is in general for fetterman, how bad was last night? >> you know, anderson, i agree with dane a i think the biggest issue out of last night was the issue of abortion. he said local politicians. the candidate for governor in pennsylvania wants to make abortion, anyone who has an abortion, charge them with murder. so that's oz's plan. let me say i differ with dana a little bit. what i saw last night, when i saw john fetterman, i think of courage.
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there is not a pennsylvania family that has not had someone who has gone through very tough health crisis with a friend, loved one, family member. they saw john fetterman, who has gone through a tough health challenge and he stood up last night, god bless john fetterman. ef got up there and i know the talk in d.c., he shouldn't have done it. i was proud of him. he has gone through a tough health challenge. he was out there fighting last night for pennsylvania voters and i think they appreciate that he stood up under very tough circumstances and laid his plans out. and i think for pennsylvania families, as i say, a lot of folks with health issues, they saw him and they were proud of what he did last night. >> but, i mean look, if he was a republican candidate you would not be saying that same message. i mean, clearly you have no concerns about hisable to do the job and even, frankly, the stress and difficulty of the job on his health? >> anderson, i disagree. if that had been a republican who had a stroke and got on stage, i don't care if you are a
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democrat or republican, you saw a human who last night. they could have said we are not going to done and done paid advertising. he decided not to do it. he stood above politics last night and is the right thing. i was proud of john fetterman last night and i think the folks in pennsylvania, who have family members, gone through tough times, it was tough last night. but he stood up. he was counted. he showed up in the arena and god bless him for doing it. >> john, inflation, crime, obviously, two topics republicans are targeting. i mean, where do you see in these critical states those issues being the most effective with voters? >> it's a critical point. in the commonwealth of pennsylvania and in all the key senate races, the suburbs tend to decide close elections. in pennsylvania, in georgia, in arizona, in nevada, democrats trying to pick up in wisconsin, trying to pick up in ohio, abort abortion breaks for democrats in the suburbs, crime breaks for the republicans. inflation breaks for the republicans. trump breaks for the democrats. you have a tug-of-war.
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that's the question in pennsylvania. does the fetterman debate performance tip the scales in this tug-of-war trying to convince voters if trying to win over voters how to vote, what should be number one when you vote. luke at the strategic importance of the race. democrats have 50/50. this is the republican pat toomey is the incumbent. if democrats pick up that and get to 51, it allows if you lost nevada to scrocontrol the senat. you follow the money in politics, right? let she stretch this out a little bit. you see democrats believed after the roe v. wade the dobbs decision replaced roe, $151 million add spending on abortion. crime, republicans a lead. democrats spending money on crime ads because they realize they need to counter that message. inflation, a giant edge for republicans on economic issues, inflation, and taxation. again that's part of the tug-of-war. all this ad spending trying to convince voters, there is a lot on your plate, this is the how we should put number one.
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democrats would say abortion or trump or chaos. republicans would say crime or inflation. >> appreciate it. thank you. next, the election denier running for senate in arizona who briefly became an election believer of sorts before dipping back into denial. blake master, the former president's endorsement, former president's money and the facts. adam kinzinger joins us as well. later, the lengths to which people went trying to justify voting irregularities in the dwuz election. so puffs plus lotion rescued his nose. with up to 50% more lotion, puffs brbrings soothing relief. a nose in need deserves puffs indeed.d. america's #1 lotion tissue.
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people follow the law he is pretty okay with it. >> and if you are planning on watching the drop boxes, hey, say whatever, 75 feet, whatever it is, stay that distance away, don't intimidate voters, get your video camera out and record to make sure people aren't ballot harvesting. >> that's the candidate just yesterday on our phoenix radio talk show and ballot harvesting is one of the alleged irregularities that are unsubstantiating election deniers said went on in 2020 which they did not. anyway, anywhere, that is. should point out these drop boxes are monitored by video surveillance cameras 24 hours day by law seven days a week. stands so reason masters would bring it up because he is a 2020 election denier himself. it's a key reason the former president endorsed him even before he became the republican nominee. take a lakt this campaign ad of his from last november. >> i think trump won if 2020. maybe you disagree, but you've
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got to admit this election was really messed up. i'm blake masters. i'm running for the u.s. senate in arizona. and i approved this message because election integrity is the most important issue. we got to do so much better if we want to keep this country great. >> the election wasn't messed up. he said i think trump won in 2020. election denial does not get much plainer than that. he sounds like an election denier now. a few weeks ago, listen. >> i need to follow up quickly. was that election stolen? was it rigged in any way, shape or form, enough to keep donald trump out of the white house? >> i suspect if the fbi didn't work with big tech and big media to sensor the hunter biden crime story, i suspect that changed a lot of people's votes. i suspect president trump would be in the white house if big tech and the media and fbi didn't work together to put the thumb on the scale to get
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djokovic in there. >> not vote counting, not election rums? >> i haven't seen that. big tech, big media, working together -- >> right. >> i think that's a problem. >> okay. so that's a conspiracy theory as well. but it's not the same as saying that trump won in 2020. the key there was that he specifically said he hasn't seen evidence of irregular vote counting. he removed claims from his website that the electric was stolen and that's when things took a turn. the former president noticed, someone brought it to his attention. new video of a fox documentary of a call between him and masters. the exact date is unknown. sometime after the debate you just saw. >> you want to get across the line, you've got to go stronger in that one thing. a lot of complaints about it. look at khari. she is winning with very little money. if they say how is your family? she says the election was rigged and stolen. you are going to lose that base. >> i am not going soft.
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>> again, unclear when that call took place. several days after the debate masters was back to election denial. when asked about the website being scrubbed of claims the election was stolen he responded i still believe it, that's for sure. today the former president super pac launched an ad on masters' behalf in the state for this week. amazing how that works. so assuming he is still an election desnieer in good standing he has company. these are the republican senate candidates who deny the legitimacy of the election. 22 governments from alaska to maine, election deniers, all of them. sec st and /* each and every one of them believes the former president won the 2020 election. joining us is a republican who does not believe that, congressman and january 6th
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committee member adam kinzinger. what do you think of blake masters changing position on the 2020 election after seemingly after that call with the former president? >> it's basically now saying, look, nothing matters. i mean, that's what he is running as. nothing matters. it's just i'll tell the audience at the debate that the election won't steelen assuming when i'm speaking to the base they won't have heard that because they won't have watched the debate or they'll understand what i was doing but then i'll talk to them and say, yeah, really -- i mean, this is the deal. ultimately, he is just running on a personality. he is not running on anything that matters, anything that means anything in his mind. it's just how do i go out and convince these people. he is a -- he knows, obviously, the election wasn't stolen but thinks people are gullible, he abuses them and you are seeing that all over the country now. >> in the past few weeks several republicans who previously tried to distance themselves from that
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lie that the election was stolen showed up to campaign for election deniers, virginia governor glenn youngkin trofld to arizona for a rally with kari lake, mike pence endorsed blake masters. how do you reconcile that? >> you can't. i mean, you see somebody like mine pence that does a good thing on january 6th. since then with few exceptions has said he has been so proud to serve with donald trump, is working for people like blake masters. it's all about this now shadow campaign for president in 2024 if donald trump doesn't run, and, you know, look, glenn youngkin, i mean, you can look at his campaign and say here is a number of things he did right in how he spoke to people. he had an opportunity if he did want to run nationwide, which is the rumor, to go out and be a different candidate. same with mike pence. in last couple of weeks, turn out the base and you need the base to win a primary, so nothing matters. >> also attempts at voter
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intimidation like the two armed people in tactical gear watching a ballot drop box in arizona last week. how concerned are you about that, the safety of poll workers, the potential of, you know, i don't know, violence surrounding the election or just the idea of people trying to -- people think that they are doing something by being armed watching people drop off at ballot drabs which are surveilled 24/7. >> think about this, anderson. everybody in their life, and i think this is what donald trump did well, everybody wants to fight for a cause. they want to fight for a mission. they want to feel like they are doing something bigger than them sevens. that's a negotiable characteristic in and emergency use in general. if you convince people an election is stolen you get them to show up at the capitol on january 6th. if you convince people there is balloting harvesting at drop boxes, you can get them to show up armed to intimidate people, but also think they are doing
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something to defend democracy. and that's why i think it's so important to point out, like, yes, obviously, there is voter intimidation, but they are being abused. this is exactly when you look at the rise of authoritarian arm and authoritarians, they take people's good intentions and twist it into something else and you are seeing that in people watching these boxes. yes, you have a right to. in arizona you can probably have a right to sit there with an ar-15. there is no reason to sit there with an ar-15 openly but to show your strength and intimidate. >> appreciate it. thank you. these election spear cysts look to win key races across the country, incredible video showing two men breaching a voting machine to copy 2020 election data part of a cnn investigation next. from fidelity to envision what's possible and balance risk and reward. and with a clear plan, rayna can enenjoy wherever
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we're looking into sexual harassment in hollywood. you used to work for harvey weinstein? we have allegations of harassment and assault. i said no so many times. how close are they to going on the record? two weeks at most. weinstein knows what we're doing. every call you make is being recorded. hello. -and you're being followed. i don't know if i could do this. he kills the story every time. we're not gonna let that happen. i'll go on the record. this is all gonna come out.
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we talked with adam kinzinger about the conspiracy theories and lies about the election on so many. our next report investigates the frightening length some people went trying to justify those clapgs. y claims. you are about to see a voting machine breach in action. drew griffith with his continuing series of reports on election interference. >> reporter: two men, one-armed and wearing a bulletproof vest,
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showed up last year at the crossvilleage community center. >> there is word that the machines are going to be wiped tomorrow. >> yeah. >> so i was kind of -- i was like department of defense context. >> how are you, sir? >> reporter: newly elected elections clerk diana keller said it was scary. >> i was terrified, to be honest with you. i wasn't sure who they were. is this a legit thing? >> yes, ma'am, it is legitimate. >> okay. >> we have never been in a position like that. >> they said that they were on some sort of mission from the department of defense? >> yes. i mean, that sounds like serious stuff. >> yeah, yeah, absolutely. >> reporter: their mission to copy 2020 election data from a voting machine in an attempt to investigate baseless claims of voter fraud, but they clearly were not from the department of defense. >> and do you have a key for
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this one? >> reporter: video taken during the hours-long visit shows they were bumbling amateur sleuths who had no idea what they were doing. >> it has a battery. how do you get inside of this thing? it's super thin. regular one is not fitting in there. >> reporter: they couldn't tell the back the front it seemed to me. >> it was bungled. but i was too scared to do anything. >> reporter: these are two in a long line of election spear cysts who tried to gain access to ooms election equipment in multiple states based on the lie that machine switched votes from trump to biden. >> i was so new to being a clerk and i really questioned it, but i was also instim dated. so at the time i wish i would have just said no, you can't touch any of that. >> reporter: across the country scores of brand-new election officials like keller will run voting in midterms. that's partly due to a mass
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exodus of election officials, both democrats and republicans, who have been relentlessly threatened and harassed by trump supporters. matt used to run election security for the department of homeland security. >> it's not worth a county salary or state salary to have your lives threatened. they are walking away. >> reporter: roughly one in five election mofficials said they planned to leave before the 2024 election with a third of those citing political attacks. >> they are likely to be replaced by people that don't have the same experience and we are in an environment where every mistake is an tune for spreaders of misinformation to further undermine confidential confidence in the system. >> in michigan, real law enforcement eventually did show up. >> i came here to just do a forensic on it. >> is that part of your normal policy, just make sure it's oper operating properly? >> no, this is something else
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through the election integrity system. >> reporter: an investigation found out these two operatives were sent to crossvilleage township by a woman who claimed to be under the supervision of trump attorney sidney powell and discussed voter fraud tied to data stored on a satellite owned by the vatican city. her name is tara jackson. she has not returned our calls. in this recorded police interview she said this. >> this is a nonpartisan issue. however if you voted for biden you are an idiot. >> reporter: in february she pled guilty to reduced charge of disturbing the peace. no one else was charged. these guys wouldn't answer cnn's questions. now that you found out about the group behind this and what they were trying to prove, how do you feel about this in connection with national politics? >> i am sorry that it is happening to people. as far as new clerks go, take all the training you can. because they train you about how
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to handle people in situations like that now. >> reporter: yeah, but i didn't think you thought that would be part of your job? >> didn't. >> reporter: drew griffin, cnn, atlanta. some new developments today. more fallout in the wake of 2020. sources telling cnn that the former president's lawyers accepted service the subpoena from the house january 6th committee. the subpoena calls on the former president to turn over documents by next friday and testify in a deposition by november 14 just days after the midterm elections. he has not said if he would comply. cnn reached out to his lawyers for comment. a south carolina judge ordered the former president's chief of staff mark meadows to testify in the 2020 election meddling probe. the grand jury investigating whether they manlated the 2020 investigation results. investigators are demanding meadows' testimony pointing to his involvement between the former president brad raffensperger and a meet being election fraud claims that meadows touted.
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trills today. russian forces practicing missile launches after putin's veiled threat of using nuclear weapons in ukraine with fears putin will do that, today's cnn's christiane amanpour asked russia's ambassador to the united kingdom about it. >> russia is not going to use nukes. so it is out of the question. >> are your president said that, too? >> i never mentioned a possibility. >> reporter: but he has. >> that's speculation -- >> reporter: he raised veiled threat. >> there are issues that are trying to be -- which has no effect. >> teedenial that putin plans t use nuclear weapons in ukraine comes as putin also repeated today the claim that ukraine might be planting a, quote, dirty bomb attack. joining me is samantha power, administrator for the u.s. agency for international development. appreciate you being with us. start with images of a little boy from a story that clarissa ward filed this week in
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mykolaiv. one of probably hundreds of scenes playing out across ukraine, a little boy helping move some wreckage from a missile strike in that city. it's likely to get worse, obviously, with winter coming. when you look at these images, what is the u.s. at this point doing about it? >> well, anderson, thank you first of all, for highlighting these stories because it shows the solidarity of the ukrainians on the ground. i was there a few weeks ago in kyiv and the morale is off the charts, which is cou counterintuitive given what the people are going through, part of that is battlefield success, but part of it is everybody finding a way to chip in and be a part of this kind of self-organization. obviously, the effects of the war are devastating, searing, and the loss of life and sexual violence and, you know, every day these attacks on civilian infrastructure take their toll.
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in terms of the u.s. contribution, first of all, the security assistance is making a major difference on the ground and contributing the battlefield successes. it's the bravery of the ukrainians driving that. we at u.s. aid on basket u.s. government are providing direct budget support to the ukrainian government. they are not taking in the revenue that they would have before the conflict. the number of business that have been shut down, the number of jobs lost. so even just paying health workers and civil servants and keeping the lights on and the state functioning is a really important part of winning this war. and then the humanitarian assistance for people displaced, people who may have had a home in a big apartment building but you have seen again what the russians have done targeting large city centers and town centers and the displacement that that causes. winter is going to be really tough and i think that's our collective focus now, is, you know, with the attacks on electricity, with the loss of
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potential heating, the loss of electricity, power, we're looking at supporting as many repairs as quickly as possible and looking to other donors to chip in as well. you can hear in zelenskyy the urgency of thinking about how we maintain this morale, maintain the support, given that putin is showing no signs of de-escalating or really being willing to negotiate. >> i know you are focused on humanitarian aide. we heard the russian ambassador to the uk. if vladimir putin uses a nuclear device that would, obviously, cause unthinkable human suffering. how concerned are you about that possibility and just the meat grinder that this war has become, how long -- and there is no end in sight or even no clear off-ramp of how an end could even come to be in sight. >> well, we are again focused on
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the immediate humanitarian needs and those are overwhelming. i mean, just the estimates of the damage caused since this last spate of attacks on civilian infrastructure is in the hundreds of millions and that's on top of the hundreds of billions already estimated in need. but again part of keeping morale in a position where there can be the kind of support that is needed to stand up to this aggression requires support in all sectors. we are still doing anti-corruption work as well, and supporting independent media because we know also in putting this much assistance into the country, it's really important that there be oversight and accountability. that's important on capitol hill. it's important to the american people. that's what this war is about in many ways. that's what threatened putin was the anti-corruption work, democratization.
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not with standing the battles and security crisis, which is so grave, ukraine is still embarking on this goal of becoming a stable and prosperous democracy. i know that sounds surreal to be thinking about doing that while this war is afoot. people every day in ukraine are focused on that task while the soldiers are focused op winning the war. >> that's fascinating. samantha power, thank you, appreciate it. >> thank you, anderson. next, a disturbing investigation, iowa. authorities hooking to claims from a woman who says she helped her late father dispose much dozens of bodies that he killed decades ago. luxury exemplified. innovation electrified. with a apple music seamlessly integrated. the all-new, all-electric eqs suv from mercedes-benz.
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authorities in iowa say they're investigating a rural area where a woman claims she helped her late father dispose of dozens of bodies decades ago. the woman claimed her father was a prolific serial killer who murdered between 50 and 100 people. the investigation has been met with speculation, including different claims from the
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woman's sister. western iowa leaders say they have a scene, but they aren't sure if it's crime scene because they have found no victims yet. "news week" editor at large, joins me now. he was on the scene when cadaver dogs searched the area. how did you come across the story and decide that this person, the daughter alleging her father is a serial killer, is credible. >> it's a great question. this started off, as many of these stories do, as a tip. it went to my lieutenant, who asked me to fact check it. as it is with these stories, it comes down to one person. and really it came down to a conversation where i sat down with lucy in person, and i find her story, frankly, credible.
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>> why hasn't anyone really investigated what lucy has said in the past? >> reporter: so, lucy -- one of the things that makes lucy so credible, anderson, is that for 45 years, she has been telling the same story consistently. and we found this in evidence in some of the early records we've obtained. and it's something that the sheriff, who is leading this investigation, has told us as well. why it hasn't happened is really, i think, it's an important question. and i think in lucy's case, she has four things working against her. one whrks this happened, she was a child. two, she was poor. and three, as she told later on, she was a woman. and we understand how law enforcement in many cases dismisses the claims of women. and the fourth thing, we have yet to find a bade or a name associated with this. even though she says she saw these bodies being disposed of, we have yet to find the bodies. >> she has an older sister who says she doesn't believe what lucy is saying action correct?
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>> that's correct, and that's an important part. she also has step brothers and step sisters, and some of whom we've spoken to, have also backed up lucy's claims. it's important to say the other sister sees her father as -- wants to clear his name. but everyone else we've spoken to, independent of lucy, thus far has frankly corroborated her story. >> and explain what you've uncovered about don study, lucy's father. >> you know, if there were 2022, anderson, it's hard to imagine that he would have gotten away with the myriad of things he did. we were able to establish he was a gambler and that lived a life of crime. while those things don't necessarily point to him being a murderer, let alone a serial killer, speaking to people, you know, there is this pattern of both violence and another interesting thing, a pattern that says he may have been connected to a criminal ring and
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potentially organized crime. >> and the area that investigators are looking at, how difficult is it? at some point there was a law enforcement officer went out, couldn't find the well she talked about. that was a while ago. then lucy was able to show other law enforcement the well. what is it like, and what did the cadaver dogs find so far? >> so, it is -- as i would describe it, there is remote, and there is this. to give you an idea, you drive through -- there's no roads there. you're driving through essentially cow pastures with steep embankment. and you finally get to this spot that looks as if it were a crater. you have to descend into this canyon. and that's where the well is. and one investigator described it to me that if you were to bury a body, this would be the place to do t it. you go down there, there's no sound. there's no one passing through there. so, you have unfettered sort of access and undisturbed ability
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to really do what you will there. and one could imagine that a body buried there would likely go undisturbed because there's just no human traffic that goes through there. >> so, the cadaver dogs have sensed what? >> yeah. so, cadaver dogs -- and this is a question we had for the science of the cadaver dogs. cadaver dogs, as the experts tell us, they're not going to pick up on any other scent other than the decay of, well, human bodies. in this case, the way that the cadaver dogs approach this and the handler, he didn't go to the well and say, do they smell anything? instead, he took this grid approach, and he let the dogs organically -- we're watching this -- organically go to places that interested them. and they were naturally drawn to both the well and another spot. these are spots that lucy independently, who was not guiding the dogs, has said these were burial sites. >> what happens next? are they going to dig into those
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spots? >> that is the hope. as i understand it, iowa, as the winter is approaching, there is probably a window in which the ground freezes, which makes it potentially difficult. but as the sheriff has told us, you know, he was expecting the fbi to bring in resources earlier this year. and for some reason that we don't fully understand, that process seemingly stalled while the sheriff was waiting for the fbi to come in. >> it's incredible story. appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you. and we'll be right back. rev) hey lexus, read my newest message. car: our place. sunrise. the all-new lexus rx. looking good... always. never lose your edge. ♪ psoriasis really messes with you. try. hope. fail. no one should suffer like that. i started cosentyx®. five years clear. real people wi psoriasis look and feel better with cosentyx. don't use if you're allergic to cosentyx. before srting get checked for tuberculosis. an increased risk of infection, some serious and a lowered ability to fight them may occur.
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