tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN October 26, 2022 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT
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moment, with just 13 days until midterm elections it is one of many developments that continue to shake up races in central states. we will focus on their impact tonight and in pennsylvania the debate certainly made a mark as fetterman admitted just minutes ago the aftereffects of his truck made speaking difficult at times. >> my doctors, the real doctors and i believe, they all believe that i am ready to be served. >> i didn't hear you say that you would release your full medical records, why not? you have 30 seconds. >> again, my doctor believes that i am fit to be serving, and that is what i believe is where i am standing. >> republican, mehmet oz making headlines as well with this on abortion. >> i want women, doctors, local, political leaders, leading the democracy that has always allowed our nation to thrive to put the best ideas forward so states can decide for themselves. >> the question now, what will pennsylvania voters make of what they saw and heard? we will have real answers tonight.
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and another close senate race, republican candidate herschel walker 30 seconds women's allegation that he pressured trying to having an abortion. the accuser, who remains anonymous, claims it happened in 1993. she says that her motives are not political and she is registered independent, and ones voted for the former president. recent polling in georgia shows the race to be very tight there, but we begin tonight with pennsylvania. we are in pittsburgh where john fetterman has been seeking. a brutal debate at times last night, what is the latest following? >> anderson, just a few moments ago, john fetterman came to this rally. you can see behind me the dave matthews band is rallying supporters. john fetterman directly address the elephant in the room. he directly addressed his challenges at the debate last night in harrisburg. and he bluntly said he is still recovering from his stroke. listen to what he said. >> and honestly, of course, to be honest, doing that debate wasn't exactly easy, you know?
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>> [inaudible]. >> i knew it wasn't going to be easy after having a stroke, after five months, in fact -- >> we love you! >> in fact, in fact, i don't think it has ever been done before in american political history before, actually. you know, after that stroke i got knocked down, but i got back up. >> then he went on to go directly after his rival, mehmet oz. in fact, and a much sharper manner than we saw the debate stage last night. particularly going after him on the question of abortion rights. that has become a central issue here that fetterman campaign released a new ad today focusing on those words about abortion. doctor oz said on the stage last night that local political leader should also have a role in making the decisions for women.
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he also said that his campaign raised $2 million today after the debate. but anderson, even though his performance here on the stage, i would say that he spoke for 15 minutes or so, it was much stronger than last night. it was that televised debate last night, of course, that will have a bigger impact on voters. >> you have also been speaking to voters there, what have you've been hearing, and you get the sense that last night's debate changed anyone's mind? >> we did talk to several voters today across the state as we traveled here to pittsburgh. really, fetterman's supporters, they went into the debate supporting him, they still stuck with him even though one told me that she is worried that doctor oz has more ammunition against him. but take a listen to these conversations we had earlier today in that fridge, pennsylvania. >> he gets healthier every day, you see that just by watching him on television, he has come a long way. a stroke is a hard thing to get over. >> it is embarrassing. i was embarrassed to think that
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anybody with that present situation, health, the way he things, his mind, and what he wants and pennsylvania would actually be running. it is embarrassing to me. >> so, definitely a mixed bag there with voters. but talking to his supporters here tonight, this still very much believe in his candidacy, but they are deflated in a sense that that was such a big opportunity to really prosecute the case against doctor oz. and that was what i really heard throughout the day, it is a sense of disappointment that he was not able to make the same arguments that he has been making on social media, his campaigns are making on twitter against oz. but anderson, even though nearly 700,000 people have already voted in pennsylvania, there are still two weeks left in this race. almost two weeks. so to say this race is over, would certainly be an overstatement. but there is no doubt that the momentum that the odds campaign carried into the debate still seems to be continuing, anderson. >> i appreciated. i will go to
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john king now. in pennsylvania, where should we be watching to see the impact of this debate? >> anderson, without a doubt we will see some polls in the next couple of days. i would urge people at home in the commonwealth of pennsylvania to be patient. don't necessarily buy into the first pole. sometimes it takes several days for debate to settle in. people might have an initial reaction, they might rethink, it or they might be persuaded otherwise. where would i look over the map in the next several days? if i could go talk to voters, where would i go? i would start, remember i was in the program, i was talking about northampton county. this is a swing county north of -- you see it right here, you see some past campaigns, i will show you why it is so important. number one, let's go back to 2020 and let's bring up the presidential race. joe biden just barely wins this swing county. he wins the commonwealth, he wins the presidency. if you go back to the 2016, the presesidential ra, donald trump narrowly winds northampton county, wins pennsylvania, and wins the presidency. 2016 also interesting because of a senate race at here, if you look around, pat toomey, the republican incumbent now who is not, running he is retiring which is why you have fetterman and odds, puck to mean hourly
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winds north hampton county, a swing county, swing voters, who will they be influenced? it will be down here as always, the suburban color around philadelphia. look at what happened in 2016. pat toomey won two of the suburban counties. just barely, but he won bucks county, and he won chester county. he was reelected to the united states senate. donald trump carried pennsylvania in 2016, but look, in those suburbs they have been trending democratic. hillary clinton carried them both. i went to the wrong map there, here we go, you look, hillary clinton carried them both. so the suburbs right around philadelphia, especially bucks county, and northampton county, that is where i would look right now over the next week or so. give it a few days to settle in and we will see the impact. >> when it comes to control of the house, how does the map continue to shift? >> republicans are increasingly optimistic, let me move the, map let me come up to the national map here, let me come over here to the house and look for you here, let me come up to where we are now at the moment and come up to 2022. this is
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the current house right now. if you look at the balance of power in the house, you see the narrow democratic majority. republicans only need to gain five. why are republican so confident? if we were having this conversation a couple of months ago, republicans would say we will win eight, 12, maybe 15. some republicans are thinking it could get as high as 30. why do they think that? if you look at the map of competitive house districts, we have 70, eight we work with our partners inside elections on, this you will notice this adds up to 75. 53 democrats, 22 republican districts now being defended, that we called competitive. there are three new districts drawn up because of the redistricting also, but you can just tell by those numbers. democrats are on defense and more than twice as many house districts right now. anderson, they go from coast to coast. you have to a new hampshire, you have won a long time blue held seat in the state of rhode island. so early on election night in the, east to places like new hampshire, placer like rhode island, places like new york where you are, then it moves out. all of this blue as we come across, even out in oregon, traditionally a blue state in the last 25 years or so. two democratic districts here, you move down to california, and look at the numbers as well of the nine competitive districts there, eight of them are
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democrats. it doesn't mean democrats are going to lose them all, but democrats are back on their heels, and republicans think things are settling in. where they think it is a possibility, remember, democrats know this in the house, democrats got the majority in the 2018, blue wave, a lot of democrats are thinking president, first term, mid term, will it be like that again? the numbers are unlikely to be that big, you can tell by all the blue democrats are on defense. >> i want to bring in chief correspondent dana bash in the conversation. someone who certainly has experience in statewide and national races from virginia governor, and democratic national committee -- you played a little with john fetterman said tonight, about last night, i just want to play a bit more. >> last night oz said, i want to get this right, quote, local political leaders should decide whether a woman should be able to get an abortion. kind of like doug mastriano. you know, to focus on some of the words that i missed, he really has to
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say that he has the worst line of that night. >> how damaging do you think it was last night for fetterman? >> let me say this -- >> sorry, this is for dana, sorry, dana. >> okay. >> i will just answer quickly because i know that the governor will probably have a lot of comments from the democrats he is talking to. democrats i am talking to our a little bit deflated, a little bit feeling cringey at the performance. they are definitely trying to take solace in what you just heard from john fetterman tonight. that the idea of abortion is huge, in pennsylvania, and that doctor oz stepped in it with regard to abortion. democrats said tonight that if local politicians are going to be in the exam room, that is going to
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be a very crowded exam room. this is a commonwealth pennsylvania where abortion is a big deal. the problem for democrats, though, and for john fetterman in particular is that if you were talking about this issue by weeks ago, six weeks ago, it would probably have a bigger impact on the electorate. as big as abortion might be, in pennsylvania, the economy, inflation, all of the economic hardships that people are feeling all over the country, there are also feeling in pennsylvania, so it is messing up on the issue of abortion, it might not be enough especially with the performance, and the issue that he had a stroke, and that was very obvious last night and whether you can perform in the senate. >> governor, i want to play another moment from last night's debate when fetterman was asked about his evolving stance on fracking, let's watch. >> i do support fracking. i
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don't -- i support fracking, and i stand, and i do support fracking. >> governor mcauliffe, how alarming do you think that moment is, in general for fetterman, how was last night? >> i agree with dana. i think the biggest issue that came out of last night was the issue of abortion. he said local politicians, the candidate for governor in pennsylvania wants to make abortion, anyone who gets an abortion, he wants to charge them with murder. so that is oz's plan. i defer with dana a little bit. what i saw last night, when i saw john fetterman, i think of courage. there is not a pennsylvania
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family that has not had someone who has gone through very tough health crisis, with a friend, a loved one, a family member. and they saw john fetterman, who has gone through a tough health challenge. this guy stood up last night, god bless john fetterman, he got up there and i know all of the top, oh he shouldn't have done it. no, i was proud of him. he has gone through a tough health challenge. he was out there fighting last night for pennsylvania voters, and i think they appreciate that he stood up under very tough circumstances and laid his plans out, and i think for pennsylvania families, as i say, a lot of folks with health issues, they saw him and they were proud of what he did last night. >> i mean, if he was a republican candidate, you would not be saying that same message. clearly, you have no concerns about his ability to do the job, and even, frankly, the stress and difficulty of the job on his health? >> anderson, i disagree. if that had been a republican who had gone through a stroke and got onstage, i don't care if you are a democrat or republican. you saw a human last night who went through a very tough, and he could have stayed, out and they could have said oh, we are not going to debate, and just unpaid advertisement. he decided not
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to do it. and to me, he stood above politics last night, and he did the right thing. and i was proud of john fetterman last night, and i think that the folks in pennsylvania, as i say, who have family members who have gone through very tough times, it was tough last night. but he stood up, he was counted, he showed up in the arena, and god bless him for doing it. >> john, inflation, crime, obviously two topics republicans are targeting. where do you see in these critical states those issues being the most effective with voters? >> it is a critical point in the commonwealth of pennsylvania, and in all the key senate races you run statewide. they decide to close elections. what have we've been looking at in pennsylvania, in georgia, and arizona, and nevada, democrats trying to pick up in wisconsin, trying to pick up in ohio, abortion breaks for the democrats and the suburbs, crime breaks for the republicans. inflation breaks for the republicans, trump breaks for the democrats. you have this tug of war. this is the question in pennsylvania. does the debate performance tip the scales in this tug of war trying to convince suburban voters, moderate voters, soft republicans, if you are a
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democrat trying to win over voters, how you should vote. what should be number one when you vote. you look at the strategic importance of the race, democrats have 50/50, this is the republican, pat toomey is the incumbent. if democrats pick up that and get to 51 it allows them, say, if you lost nevada, to still control the senate. that is how democrats think tactically. you mentioned the issues, you follow the money and politics. so let's just stretch this out a little bit. you, know you see democrats believed after the roe v. wade, the dobbs decision, look at all of the money. 100 and $51 million on key issues in abortion. crime, republicans, the democrats are spending a lot of money on crime ads, they realize the need to counter that message. and then you see inflation, a giant bunch of republicans on inflation, and taxation. again, that is part of the tug of war. all of this ad spending, trying to convince
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voters, we know there is a lot on your plate. this is the issue that we think we should put number one. democrats would say abortion, or trump, or chaos, republicans would say crime, or inflation. >> john king, appreciate it. coming up, next election denier is running for senate in arizona who briefly became an election a believer of sorts until going back into denial. blake masters, the former presidents endorsement, the former presidents money, and the facts. adam kinzinger joins us as well. a cnn exclusive look at the lynx some people went to justify voting like galleries in the a 2020 election, including a close video of a voting machine bridge in action. vo: the next time you fill up the tank, remember why it costs so much. because the biggest oil companies decided they need to profit even more. they make record profits... even as americans struggle to pay the bills. call it price gouging. call it greed. call it enough already. with president biden's landmark bill, we are producing more clean energy than ever before.
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>> for several days now, we have been reporting on people in arizona camping out early voting locations on the lookout, they claim, for voting irregularities. some are dressed in tactical gear carrying assault style weapons, or pistols. now, blake masters, the republican senate candidate says that is long as people follow the law he is pretty okay with it. >> and, if you are planning on watching the drop boxes, stay
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whatever it is, is it 75 feet? whatever it is, stint that distance away, don't intimidate any voters, get your video camera out, and record to make sure people are not ballot harvesting. >> that is the candidate just yesterday on our phoenix radio talk show, ballot harvesting is one of the alleged irregularities, they are completely unsubstantiated. election deniers went on in 2020, which they did not. anyway, anywhere, that is. i should also point out that they are monitored by video surveillance cameras 24 hours a day, by law, seven days a week. he brought it up because he is a 2020 election denier himself. so much so that it is a key reason the former president endorsed him even before he became the republican nominee. take a look at this campaign out of his from last november. >> i think trump won in 2020. maybe you disagree, but you have got to admit, this election was really messed up. i am blake masters. i am running for the u. s. senate in arizona. and i approve this
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message, because election integrity is the most important issue. we have got to do so much better if we want to keep this country great. >> the election was not messed up, he said i think trump won in 2020, election denial does not get much planar than that. so he was an election denier last november, and he sure sounds like an election denier now, which is a few weeks ago, listen. >> i need to follow up quickly, was that election stolen, was it rigged in any way, shape, or form, enough to keep donald trump out of the white house? >> i suspect that if the fbi did not work with a big tech and big media to censor the hunter biden crime story, yeah, i suspect that changed a lot of peoples votes. i suspect president trump would be in the white house today of big tech and a big media and the fbi did not work together to put the thumb on the scale to get joe biden in there. >> but not vote counting, not election results? >> i have not seen evidence of that. but i am telling you what i think the problem is. i think the problem is big tech, big media working together. >> right. >> i think that is a problem.
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>> that is a conspiracy theory as well, but it is not the same as saying that trump won in 2020. the key there was that he specifically said he has not seen evidence of a regular vote counting. he also removed claims from his website that the election was stolen. and that is when things took a turn, as you might imagine, the former president noticed, someone brought it to his attention. this is a new video from a fox documentary of a call between him and masters, the exact date is unknown, but sometime after the debate you just saw. >> you want to get across the line, you have got to go stronger. there are a lot of complaints about it. look at carrie, carrie is winning with very little money, and they say how is your family? she says the election was rigged and stolen. you will lose a few don't listen to the base, if you go soft. >> i'm not going soft. >> unclear exactly when that call to play. several days after the debate, masters was back to election denial. when asked about the website being
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scrubbed of claims the election was stolen, he said i still believe it, that is for sure. the former president super pac launched a new ad on master's behalf, part of a seven figure media by in the state for this week. amazing how that works. assuming that he is still an election denier in good standing, he certainly has company. these are the senate candidates who deny the legitimacy of the 2020 presidential election. 19 in all. the 22 republican candidates for governor from alaska -- election deniers, all of them. here are the 11 republicans running to be secretaries of state, the men and women who will oversee the 2024 presidential election. each and every one of them believes the former president won the 2020 election. joining us now is a republican who does not believe that. congressman and january six select committee, adam kinzinger. we appreciate you joining us. first, what do you make of blake masters changing position on the 2020 election after seemingly after that call with the former president? >> it is basically now saying
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look, nothing matters. that is what he is running as. nothing matters, it is just i will tell the audience when i am at the debate that the election wasn't stolen, assuming that when i am speaking to the base, they won't have heard that because they want to watch the debate, or they will understand what i was doing, but then i will talk to them and say -- i mean, this is the deal. ultimately, he's just running on a personality, he's not running on anything that matters. he doesn't think it means anything in his mind, it is just, how do i go out and convince these people? he knows, obviously, the election was not stolen. but he thinks people are gullible, he abuses them, and you are seeing that all over the country right now, anderson. >> in the past few weeks, several publicans who previously tried to distance themselves from that lie, that the election was stolen, showed up to campaign for election deniers. virginia governor glenn youngkin traveled to a rally with kari lake, mike pence has endorsed blake masters, how do you reconcile that? >> you can't. it is not reconcilable. i mean, you see
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somebody like mike pence who does a good thing on january 6th, but since then, with few exceptions have he said he has been proud to serve with donald trump, working for people like blake masters, it is all about the shadow campaign for president in 2024, if donald trump does not run, and you know, glenn youngkin, you can look at his campaign and say here is a number of things he did right and how he spoke to people. he had an opportunity if he didn't want to run nationwide, which is the room, or to go out and be a different candidate. same with mike pence, could have been that. but it is all about, these last couple of weeks, turn out the base. you are going to need the base to win a primary. nothing matters. >> there have also been attempted voter intimidation like the two armed people in tactical gear watching a ballot drop box, of all things in arizona last week. what does
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that say, how concerned are you about that, the safety of poll workers, the potential of, you know, i don't know, violence surrounding the election, or just the idea of people trying to, people think that they are doing something by being armed or watching people drop off ballot drop box, which are again, surveilled 24/7. >> yeah. think about this, anderson. everybody in their life, and i think this is what donald trump did well. everybody wants to fight for a cause. they want to fight for a mission. they want to feel like they are doing something bigger than themselves. that is a noble characteristic both in americans, and frankly, humanity in general. if you convince people that an election was stolen, you will get them to show up on the capitol on january 6th. if you convince people that there is ballot harvesting at drop boxes, you can get these folks to show up armed to intimidate people, but also think that they are doing something to defend democracy. and that is why i think it is so important to point out yes, obviously there is voter intimidation. but they are being abused. this is exactly, when you look at the rise of authoritarianism and the rise of authoritarians, they take people's good intentions and twisted into something else. you are seeing
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that in people who are watching these boxes like yes, you have a right to, and arizona, you could probably have a right to sit there, but there is no other reason to sit there with an ar-15 very openly. but to show your strength, and to intimidate. >> yes. congressman kinzinger, appreciate it, thank you. >> anytime. >> as these election conspiracies, conspiracists, i should say, we have incredible video showing two men breaching a voting machine to copy 2020 election data. that is next. technically when enamel is gone, you cannot get it back. but there are ways you can repair it. i'm excited about pronamel repair because it penetrates deep into the tooth to help actively repair acid-weakened enamel. i recommend pronamel repair to my patients. one prilosec otc each morning blocks heartburn all day and all night. prilosec otc reduces excess acid for 24 hours,
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>> we talked in the previous segment with the congressman adam kinzinger about the lies about the election, and the whole day have on so many. the next report investigates eight frightening length that some people went to trying to justify those claims. you are about to see up close video of a voting machine breach in action. drew griffin with the
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latest on his continuing series of reports on into election interference. >> two men, one armed and wearing a bulletproof vest showed up last year at the michigan community center. >> there is word that the machines are going to be wiped tomorrow. [inaudible]. >> newly-elected elections clerk, diana keller, said it was scary. >> i was actually terrified, to be honest with you. i was not sure who they were. >> is this a legit thing? >> yes ma'am, it is legitimate. >> okay. >> we would never put you in a position like that. >> did i hear correctly, they said they were on some sort of mission from the department of defense? >> yes. >> that sounds like serious stuff. >> yeah, yeah, absolutely. >> their mission to copy 2020 election data from a voting machine in an attempt to investigate baseless claims of
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voter fraud. but they clearly were not from the department of defense. >> ma'am, do you have a key for this one? >> video taken during the hour-long visit shows that they were bumbling, amateur sleuths who had no idea what they were doing. >> so, how do we get inside of this thing? it is super thin, it is not fitting in their. >> they couldn't tell the back from the front, it seemed to me. >> it was just a bungled, stupid thing. but i was too scared to do anything. >> these are just two in a long line of election conspiracist who tried to gain access to election equipment in multiple states, all based on the lie that the machines switched votes from trump to biden. >> i was so new to being a clerk, i really questioned it, but i was so intimidated, at the time i wish i would have just said no, you can't touch any of that. >> across the country, scores of brand-new election officials like keller will run voting in midterms. that is partly due to
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a mass exodus of election officials, both democrats and republicans who have been relentlessly threatened and harassed by trump supporters. matt masterson used to run election security for the department of homeland security. >> it is not worth a county salary, or state salary to have the lives of you and your family threatened. and they are walking away. >> roughly one in five election officials say they plan to leave before the 2024 election with a third of those citing political attacks. >> they are likely to be replaced by people who don't have nearly the same experience and we are in an environment where every mistake is an opportunity for spreaders of misinformation to further undermine confidence in the system. >> back in cross village, michigan, real law enforcement eventually did show up. >> i came here to just do a forensic on it. >> is that part of your normal policy, to make sure it is operating properly and everything? >> no. i was here about something else. >> and an investigation found out these two operatives were
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sent to cross village township by a woman who claimed to be under the supervision of trump attorney, sydney powell, and discussed voter fraud tied to date it stored on a satellite owned by the vatican city. her name is tara jackson. she has not returned our calls, but in this recorded police interview, said this. >> this is a non partisan issue. however, if you voted for biden, you are an idiot. >> in february, she pleaded guilty to a reduced charge of disturbing the peace. no one else was charged. these guys wouldn't answer cnn's questions. now that she found out about the group behind us and what they were trying to prove, how do you feel about this in connection with national politics? >> i am sorry that it is happening to people. as far as new clerks go, take all of the training you can. because they train you about how to handle people in situations like that now.
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>> i bet you didn't think it would be part of your job. >> i never did. not in a small township. >> drew griffin, cnn, atlanta. >> some new developments, more in the wake of 2020, sources telling cnn the former president's lawyers have accepted service of the subpoena of the house january 6th committee. subpoena calls on the former president to turn over documents by next friday, and testified in a deposition by november 14th just after the midterm elections. he has not said whether he would comply, cnn has reached out to his lawyers for comment, in a related item a south carolina judge -- mark meadows to testify in the georgia 2020
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election probe. they are investigating after from the former president and his allies to manipulate the state's 2020 election results. investigators are demanding meadows testimony pointed to his involvement in the call between the former president, georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger, and a meeting about election fraud claims that meadows touted. meadows attorney says he plans to appeal the ruling. up next, vladimir putin watching nuclear drills today, and cnn's -- ambassador to the united kingdom if the kremlin would launch a nuclear attack in ukraine, his answer ahead. answer ahead. d. coricidin is the #1 doctor recommended cold and flu brand. specially designed for people with high blood pressure. be there for life's best moments. trust coricidin.
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putin will do that, here is cnn's kristen amanpour, asking the ambassador to the united kingdom about it. >> russia is not going to use nukes. it is out of the question. >> your president has said that as well? >> he never mentioned the possibility -- >> he has. he has raised veiled threats, it has worried everybody. >> there are speculations and allegations and issues that are
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trying to be, it has no impact. >> denial there, a source from russia's ambassador that putin plans to use nuclear weapons in ukraine. this comes as putin also repeated today the claim that ukraine might be planning a quote, dirty bomb attack. joining me tonight is samantha power, the administrator for the u. s. agency for international development. i appreciate you being with us. i want to start with the images of a little boy from a story that clarissa ward filed this week. it is one of hundreds of scenes like this playing out across ukraine like this. a little boy helping move some wreckage from a missile strike in that city. it is likely to get worse, obviously, with winter coming. when you look at these images, what is the u. s., at this point doing about it? >> well anderson, thank you first of all, for highlighting these stories. because it shows the solidarity of ukrainians on the ground. i was there a few weeks ago in kyiv, and the morale is off the charts, which is counterintuitive given what the people are going through. part of that is battlefield success, but part of it is everyone finding a way to chip in, and be part of this self organization. obviously, the effects of the war are devastating. and the loss of life, and sexual violence, every day these attacks on civilian infrastructure take their toll. in terms of the u. s. contribution, i mean, first of all the security assistance is making a major difference on the ground, and contributing to the battlefield successes. but it's the bravery of the ukrainians that is driving that. on behalf of the u. s. government, we are providing direct budget support to the
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ukrainian government because of course, they are not taking in the revenue that they would have before the conflict. the number of businesses that have been shut down, the number of jobs that have been lost. even just paying health workers, and civil servants, and keeping the lights on, and the state functioning is a very important part of winning this war. then the humanitarian assistance, for people who have been displaced, for people who two weeks ago may have had a home in a big apartment building but you have seen, again, what the russians have done, targeting large city centers, and town centers, and displacement that that causes. winter is going to be very tough, and i think that that is our collective focus now, with the attacks on electricity, with the loss of potential heating, the loss of electricity, power, we are
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looking at supporting as many repairs as quickly as possible. and looking, of course, to other donors to chip in as well. but you can hear, in zelenskyy the urgency of thinking about how we maintain this morale, maintain this support given that putin is showing no signs of de-escalating, or really being willing to negotiate. >> i know you are focused on humanitarian aid, we just heard the russian ambassador to the uk, and it vladimir putin uses some sort of a nuclear device which would obviously cause unthinkable human suffering, how concerned are you about that possibility, and just the meat grinder that this war has become, how long -- and there is no end in sight, or even no clear off-ramp of how an and could even come to be insight. >> we are, again, focus on the immediate humanitarian needs. and those are overwhelming. i mean, just the estimates of the
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damage caused since this last a top on civilian infrastructure, it is in the hundreds of millions, it is on top of the hundreds of billions already estimated in need. but again, part of keeping morale in a position where there can be the kind of support that is needed to stand up to this aggression, requires support in all sectors. we are still doing anti-corruption work as well, and supporting independent media because we know putting this much assistance into the country, it is very important that there be oversight and accountability. that is important up on capitol hill, it is important to the american people, but that is what this worries about in many ways. that is what threatened putin so much, the anti corruption work, it was the integration into europe. so we have to notwithstanding the battles that are going on and the security crisis which is so grave, ukraine is still embarking on this goal of becoming a stable and prosperous democracy, and i know that sounds surreal to be thinking about doing that at the same time this war is a foot, but there are people
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every day and ukraine who are focused on that task wealthy soldiers are focused on winning the four. >> that is fascinating. samantha power, thank, you appreciate it. >> thank you, anderson. >> next, a disturbing investigation iowa authorities looking to claims from a woman who says she helped her late father disposed of dozens of bodies that he killed decades ago. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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authorities and i was say they were investigating a rural area where woman claims she helped her late father dispose of dozens of bodies decades ago. the search comes after the release of a new -- claimed her father was a prolific serial killer who murdered between 50 and 70 people. the investigation has been met with some speculation, including different claims from the woman's sister, and a western iowa sheriff said they have a scene but they are not sure it's a crime scene because they have found no victim so far or bodies yet.
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we are going to get perspective now from one of the first to report this, david chemali, newsweek editor at large and editor of how to catch a russian spy. he's a reporter exclusively on site we are cadaver dogs searched the area, where lucy steube says her father buried bodies. >> no vita, how do you come across this story and decide that this person, the daughter, who is alleging her father is a serial killer, is credible? >> yeah, anderson, it's a great question. this started off, as many of these stories, do, with a tip. it went to my colleague, eric version of, who asked me to fact-check it. and anderson, as it is with these stories, it comes down to one person. and it really came down to a conversation we are i sat down with lucy in person. and i frowned her story, frankly, credible. >> why isn't anyone really investigated what lucy has said in the past?
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>> one of the things that makes lucy so powerful, anderson, is that for 45 years she's been telling the same story consistently. we found this in evidence of some of the early records we have obtained. it's something that the sheriff, leading this investigation, has told us as well. why it hasn't happened is really, i think, an important question. i think in lindsay's case she has four things working against her. one, when this allegedly happened, she was a child. number two, she was four, and three, as she told it later on, she was a woman. we understand how law enforcement in many cases just dismisses the claims of many. and the fourth thing, which is, we have yet to find a body or name associated with this, even though she says, very credibly, she saw these bodies being disposed of. we have yet to find those bodies. >> she has an older sister who says she does not believe what lucy is saying, correct? >> that is correct. and that's an important part. she also has step brothers and stepsisters, some of whom we have spoken to have also backed up lucy's claims, so it is important to say that the other sister -- she sees her father as -- wants to clear his name. but everyone else we have
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spoken to, independent of lucy 's duty, so far, as frankly corroborated her story. >> explain what you have uncovered about don's duty, lucy's father. don's duty is -- if this were 2022, anderson, it's hard to imagine that he would have gotten away with the myriad of things that he did. we were able to establish that, in fact, he was a gambler. and that he lived a life of crime. while those things don't necessarily point to him being a murderer, let alone a serial killer, speaking to people, there is this pattern of violence and another interesting people -- thing. a pattern that says he may have been committed to a criminal ring and potentially, to organized crime. >> the area that investigators are looking at, how difficult is it? because it's some point a law enforcement officer went out
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and could not find the well that she had talked about. that was a while ago. and then lucy was able to show other long forsman the well. what is it like and what did the cadaver dogs find so far? >> it is -- as i would describe it, there is remote, and there is this. to give you an idea, you drive through -- there is no roads there -- you are driving, essentially, on cow pastures with steep embankments. you finally get to the spot that -- the only way i can describe, it is, it looks like a crater that happened to descend into this
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canyon. and that is where the whale is. and one investigator described to me that, if you were to bury a body, this would be a place to do it. you go down there and there is no sound. there is no one passing through their. so, you have unfettered access and undisturbed ability to really do what you will there. and one can imagine that a body buried there would likely go undisturbed because there is just no human traffic that goes through there. >> so, the cadaver door dogs have since, what? >> the cadaver dogs -- and this is a question we have, on the science of the cadaver dogs. scientists tell us they are not going to pick up on any other stand other than the decay of human bodies. in this case, the way that the cadaver dogs approach this and the handler, he did not go to the well and say, do they smell anything? instead, he took this great approach and he looked the dogs -- we were watching this -- organically go to places that interest them. and they were naturally drawn to both well and other spots. these are spots that lucy, independently, who is not guiding the dogs, had said that these were burial sites. >> what's next will? they did get their response? >> that is the hope. as i understand it, as winter is approaching, there is probably a window at which the ground freezes, with makeshift potentially difficult.
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but as the sheriff has told us, he was expecting the fbi to bring the resources earlier this year. and if for some reason we don't fully understand, that process seemingly stalled while the sheriff was waiting for the fbi to come in. >> it's an incredible story. david, appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you. >> we will be right back. hearing until you start losing it. and then you think about it a lot. this doesn't help and the whole process of getting them is a royal pain in the ..... ear. if only there was a better way. this is eargo, yes right here. incredible right? what's more you get all the support you need all from here. sitting right here. vo: the next time you fill up the tank, remember why it costs so much. because the biggest oil companies decided they need to profit even more.
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