hole that we cannot fathom. and while academics like jim, journalists like me, require proof, and evidence, we can all acknowledge that we do not know that that theory is wrong, perhaps it is fantastical, perhaps it is an illusion, but perhaps it is right. we can only know what a special soul james wright was, and wonder -- acceptance of his smile on the gravitas of his baritone, that perhaps if there was something we cannot comprehend that gifted him to us, maybe there is also something we can't comprehend that took him from us as well. goodbye jim. -- thank you so much for joining me tonight. you can follow me on facebook, instagram, twitter, and tiktok at jake tapper. our

coverage continues now. with laura coats and allison camerota. hey guys, i'm not gonna jocularly wood right now. we >> can tell. >> what a nice tribute, jake and, what a nice experience you had to have a professor that you had such a connection with. that's really nights to hear. about >> thanks for honoring him. that was sweet. thank you, jake have, goodnight. good evening everyone, i'm alison camerota, and i'm laura coats. this is cnn tonight and we are 13 days away from the midterms and now a second woman, this time of jane doe, is now claiming that herschel walker was involved in her abortion. -- so the clinic and waited in the parking lot for hours and also cause the -- >> that's part of how the biology works -- tonight is well. and having an abortion and for herschel walker, alison alisyn camerota, he said it's all a

lie, and that he didn't kill jfk either and he is seeing more time, but what will all of this mean to voters? >> also tonight, we are going to talk about the fallout from the fetterman oz debate last night, fetterman just shared his own thoughts on his performance just a short time ago. we will play not and we will find out of this hurt him with voters. >> i mean, social media, if that is indication, we will see. we can't always judge from. no, we cannot. that we can never judge from that. let's get right to it right. now we got our political commentator ana navarro, and former senior campaign manager for obama. and scott jennings, all here. glad to see you all tonight. >> you don't have any opinions, none of you collectively, right? so why would you say all right, let's go to our commercial, what do you think, show is over, right? -- i wonder what you made of all of it last night. i saw your tweet and talked about the humility, about the courage, about the idea of allowing people to show you through the process of feeling.

healing. take us into the political round now. what does that translate to four four voters? >> i think it is hard to separate the political realm from the human realm. 800, 000, almost 800,000 americans a year have a stroke. i think -- i know i know people i love who have had strokes, and one of the most frustrating difficult, hard, sad thing for them to have to do is wrestle with this idea that initially, as they're healing, if they heal, is that their words don't come out right. and what they are thinking, they can't articulate. i know how hard it has been for people -- and i know -- i can only imagine what it is like to do it in public. and to do it in front of the entire nation, for them to comment on. so, i do think that it takes a level of humility, of commitment, of honesty, and i think that it is the right thing to do because voters deserve to have candidates debate. i also think of other

candidates who, for much lesser reasons, have decided not to debate. he could have refused to debate. katie hobbs, in arizona, who i think is handing the governorship to kari lake, for not wanting to debate. >> for not wanting to debate? really. >> refusing the excuse, she is an election denier. because fetterman could have said, i am not going to debate. he could've taken an l. on that point, she said that he should have said nevermind, it wouldn't have been worth it. you know, you don't agree with that assessment? >> i think candidates owe voters transparency and voters the respective debating issues, and for voters to see what is out there. right now, whatever decision the voters of pennsylvania make, they make with an informed, consciousness of what john fetterman is going through. and who mehmet oz is. >> here is how he just explained it. so, john fetterman just explained what the experience was like for him. >> to be honest, doing that debate wasn't exactly easy. you know. i knew it wasn't going to

be easy after having a stroke, after five months -- >> we love you! >> in fact -- i don't think it has ever been done before in american political history before, actually. i may not get every -- every word the right way, but i will always do the right thing in washington d. c. >> do you think he hurt himself last night by doing that debate? >> i think he lost the battle, but he may have won the war. because of what oz said on abortion. i disagree with you, i don't think that he should have done the debate. i wouldn't have counseled that. i think it was a difficult night for him, and now he is on the defensive. that said, his campaign is masterful. they switch to exactly the topic they should switch to, which was offices bizarre comments that officials should decide abortion rights in pennsylvania. that is going

to be a huge problem for oz in the swing places where women voters that you track all the time are trying to make a decision on this election. i think if they stick to that message, oz did himself real damage. we are talking about fetterman's performance, and had he not done the debate, we wouldn't be doing that. >> on that point, i want to dig into the idea of doctor oz the statements, because he did not commit as to whether or not he would support senator lindsey graham's 15-week ban if he were elected. he punted on that. he also had a moment when he talked about the federal government should not be involved, but state and local officials, women and their doctors. and that was a line that i think would draw out the conservative media, maybe conservative mobs, and other factors. but i am really curious about this idea, do you really not think that had he not debated, would that have not provided an opportunity for him to say hold on, you have given two medical letters, you have told us you are fine.

and now you are not debating? something doesn't smell right. with that have invited that level of skepticism? >> you look at him tonight in the clip you just showed, he looked good. that is what we should be doing. he should be out there doing that. in a setting he can control, on his own message. i just think that was a difficult time, i think the format was bad for him, a 15-second dancers, he didn't have time to get his stuff together. i think the entire situation was very difficult for this candidate. and i think that it was avoidable. that's it, i know why he did, it we all do. he had to get it off the table, he has taken the advice, i understand the advice. i might have done different advice. but i think, long term, oz came out of this debate more wounded. >> scott, we heard your thoughts last night, do you think it heard fetterman, do you have anything different? >> i agree, i wouldn't be counseling him to go out there either. he has difficulty having conversations with other people and. that's where the campaign is. his campaign knew his limitations before they sent him out there. they did it anyways. i think that jim is right. i think it is easier for him to give speeches when he is not having to interact with people, moderators, or other candidates. on the abortion

question, i fail to see the controversy here. dr. oz clearly said he would not support any federal regulations. he then said it should be left up to the states, which is a very standard issue republican position. the democratic position, i guess, based on what i am hearing, is that there should be no regulations, here go, no limits, whatsoever. which is, by the way, what fetterman's position is. he couldn't articulate one last night, and he hasn't articulated one for the campaign. i continue to believe the democratic position on this is out of the mainstream, people are missing this, and by the way, if this is the issue you are closing,, the issue that has fallen to sixth or seventh on the list of most important issues, i question whether that is the right strategy. >> -- here's what he said. i don't want the federal government involved in that at all. i want women, doctors, local political leaders letting the democracy that has always a larger nation to thrive to put

the best ideas forward. -- i think it was the wedging in of local political leaders with women and doctors. >> i do wonder, in the point you raised, this idea, do you think that people -- i mean, if the discussion is -- excuse me, if the discussion is, the fed should not be involved? the government, as a big umbrella term, the government -- do you think that there is an appreciation for why the federal government should not be involved, but the local government ought to be involved? if the general premise is just stay out of these private discussions, i don't know how that made the case that this is different, this is better, because it is not even standardized. what did you see? >> listen, maybe you don't get it. it's probably because you do not have ovaries, but i don't know any woman who would say, you know, we really want our state reps, and our governor, and our state senators to decide what we are going to do with our bodies. there is something that just doesn't pass the smell test, i think for most women. i think that you think about counseling with yourself, with your family,

with your doctor, with your pastor, with your priest, but the idea of my state senator, and my state legislator, and my governor are going to decide what i do with my body, that doesn't sit well with me. >> is that the advice you gave in your storied career as a republican strategist? doctor oz is the pro-life candidate because he is a republican. the republican position is that it has got to be left up to the states, which is exactly what he said last night. the democratic position, your position, is that there should not be any regulations of any kind for from any government on abortion. and i don't think that it is mainstream. >> i don't think that you are right. >> you just said what it was. >> you don't know what my position -- >> you don't know what mine is other than to insult me here on television. >> i'm not telling you what your position is. i am telling you that most women, -- that you don't have a womb -- and that most women don't want to hear from political leaders, that their state legislators are going to mandate what they have to do. i don't care what your position is. you are not making the decisions. neither am i.

>> we can have this discussions, obviously, without insulting each other. i do think that it is amazing that we have not touched on herschel walker. because we are so exhausted by it. >> that is true. >> what more is there to say? there is another woman who has come forward, i find it not implausible that there would be another woman, because he does not have a great track record of any of this. and he continues to say it is a lie. jim, do you think that any of this, at this point matters, or there is such saturation level? >> no, i do think it matters. because we are sitting here 13 days, people are voting every single day, they are getting their ballots. and it is unbelievable that he is on the defense on this again. and he has lied repeatedly, he has lied to his own campaign staff about. and now there is another woman. he needs to close on the economic argument, all of us at the table would advise him to close and make that. instead he is talking about another issue, he is lying again, another woman who puts him on the defense, with his own base. he is trying to turn out republicans. he is doing almost ten points worse than governor

kemp. it's got to close with a republican and this is damaging him absolutely. >> what is it the governor camp that we compared to at this point? i think it's the larger point, that is interesting, the discussion that you two are having here -- >> i didn't know not having a womb was an offense. >> let me tell, you i don't want to get into the biology of who has a womb and who doesn't have the table. i know, i have given birth twice. but i will tell, you when you think about it -- you are having a discussion and the nation is having a discussion about agency, and autonomy, of a woman's body. abortion policy, georgia is having a discussion over whether a specific candidate financed an abortion. i wonder if a disconnect in terms of why this is making a close race for warnock and walker is that people think that maybe the main, national discussion is not what is being had in georgia. is that why walker is still close? >> no, walker is still close

because georgia is still a leaning republican state. and he has got a governor who is winning by a significant amount. and this is a very, very close state. it is the state democrats have only won statewide once in the past 30 years at a presidential level. any broad public, and had scott's party nominated anyone -- difficult, thankfully for me, denominated herschel walker who is the worst candidate. >> the reason why walker is so close is i think that most republicans have decided that this is a state that can decide who is going to be running the senate, and thus, character matters a lot less, and hypocrisy matters a lot less than that. >> they have said that -- >> i don't think that is a swing voter who thinks about. people in d.c. think about this. but swing voters, you know this, they care about the economy, they care about the future of their kids. they are not thinking about herschel walker controlling the united states senate. >> it is october the 26th, we are less than two weeks before an election. gloria allred, of all people --

>> scott. just answer this, you trust herschel walker? >> do i trust him? yeah, i trust herschel walker. do i trust him more than gloria allred? >> you trust his word that he knows more -- he doesn't even know if these women, the one of them had his child. >> i don't trust things that happened in the last two weeks of an election from gloria allred with an anonymous, whatever. if democrats are interested in sex stuff from 1992, do i have a story to tell them about what happened in the 1990s. -- no republican or independent, conservative-leaning voter in georgia is going to take a within two weeks anonymous allegations seriously. i mean, that is republicans, they are going to use it on a pile on is not going to hurt herschel walker. -- >> we will talk more about this. hold that thought, hold that thought, everyone.

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tonight to supporters the difficulties that he had on the debate against mehmet oz. he said it wasn't easy. so let's bring in doctor jill bolted taylor who has a unique perspective on fetterman's recovery. she is a neuroscientist and the author of whole brain living, and she herself is also a stroke survivor. thank you so much for being here. you really will give us insight from all angles on what this it's like, so, what did you think while you were watching john fetterman last night? >> you know, when i watch anybody, i think in terms of underlying abilities, i think that he, i think we could have done a much better job at setting his brain up for success in that kind of a situation. >> how? >> well, just think about, if he is having a problem hearing, and so essentially he hears

sound, it drops, and then he catches onto that meaning he is reading the meaning, he has got all of this stimulation, it is an extremely stressful experience for any brain, and on top of that, you have an opponent who is constantly poking at you, and we don't know if he can actually read what doctor oz is communicating to him, and then he has to read all of this, process that information, and he is on a 32nd timetable. i just, i soon as i heard what the format was, i felt complete sympathy for him. >> he had closed captioning, as you say, he was reading what the moderators questions were, and i believe he was reading what mehmet oz's responses were, though his team has said that there were technical difficulties with the closed captioning. don't know if that is true or not true. but how could he have done a debate with having suffered a stroke recently? >> i think that we have to

reevaluate what actually do we call a debate these days, because a debate these days is very different from five years ago, politics versus ten years ago politics. there is a new not just anxiety but a level of hostility that comes in. we, as human beings, are feeling creatures who think. it comes through all of our sensory systems, this is what john fetterman was up against, information coming through our sensory systems and process through our emotional systems, then it moves into our thinking circuitry. thinking takes time, and we think of normal brains, it is that some of us think more quickly than others. and a brain that is processing quickly is not necessarily more accurate, or more precise in the answers that it delivers. i just think that there was a lot of confusion, and we could have done a better job in helping john be better. >> let me ask you about that,

because there is a question about whether or not he was having word finding difficulties because of his auditory processing, or if he is struggling really with cognition. which you know, would obviously affect the job. so what is the answer? >> i think that you don't ask the question, are you having a problem with this, or are you cognitively competent? i think what you do is you go to situations when he has proven himself to be completely cognitively competent in a situation that really allowed for him to take the extra time that he needed to be able to consider, in order to give a responsible and accurate answer. and he has done that in recent interviews where it wasn't such a high stress, high pressure experience. >> sometimes, i mean, he has also had an experience in an interview where the interviewer said that she felt like he was struggling to respond, and to

answer. but i want to ask you about your experience and how it forms all of this. >> let me go back to that if i may, may i address that? i watched that. it was an nbc interview. i felt that he was delivering information to her, about his cognition, and how he thinks, and how accurate he was thinking, but because she didn't understand what she was looking for, she came directly in the question of it instead of observing that he was actually giving her appropriate responses. so, i don't think -- i think it is tough when a public that doesn't really understand, what is cognition, how is it processed inside of the brain, what are the most multiple pieces of cognition that work together in order for someone to have a bigger conception so that they actually can understand information, and have appropriate output? >> yes. this will shock you, but not all of us reporters are

neuroscientists like you when we are doing i know it's shocking. i want to ask you this before you go. you had a stroke and i know it took you a long time to recover is there any telling from your experience how long it would take him to recover and be back to 100 percent? >> when i look at what his brain was able to do on an interview on september 14th, he was able to think, he was able to remember far away, in the back, passed in time, he was able to remember the day before the events that had happened, he was able to project himself into the future, he was able to -- there were just all of these different stages of cognition that he is capable of doing. and i think that instead of simply saying, is he able to

cognate? let's look at the man, and look at what he is doing, and focus on the ability, recognizing that the disability is there, and how long will it take for him to recover, i cannot speak to that. i have not spoken to the man. about this. >> that is fair. thank you for your expertise, and sharing your story with us. >> thank you. >> so she is obviously operating at a different level than we are in terms of what she sees, but it is what voters sees. and if they think he is up to the job after last night. >> i can't help but think, what she described, certainly completely relevant, and i don't want to take away anything of it. but she describes a level of patience and political grace that 13 days before melissa lay shun we have to do. i cannot help but think, is this the calculus that would be used for a sitting senator,

like -- who both this year suffered strokes, one recovered, both recovering, but one came back right after, a month after having a stroke in the senate, right before the vote for the supreme court justice. so i wonder if it is a different calculus for voters, the one who is in office, versus one who is striving to be. >> we will see. >> either way, maybe you heard this phrase, this is not your father's gop. that is what joe biden is saying today. but you wonder, what will that message mean come the next 13 days, called him in. terms >> i have heard of it. it is happening. answer a few questions and our techno wizardry calculates your car's value and gives you a real offer in seconds we'll come to you pay you on the spot then pick up your car that's it at carvana why do nearly one million businesses choose stamps.com to mail and ship? stamps.com is convenient you get the services of the post office right on your computer stamps.com saves you money with great rates from usps and ups

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days away. i feel like the world is reminding us a lot about the midterm elections. we are weeks away, days away now 13 days. we're counting the votes across the country and it could all come down to the answer to some really important questions. how much will election denialism rear its ugly head? with deniers running successfully so far across the country and what is the future of the republican party? especially a state like florida, once purple and getting redder and redder and redder. and where do latino voters land in all of this? back with us now, anna navarro jim messina and scott jennings. you know, we look at this and the idea of the coveted demographics and who is the undecided voters, the independent voters, republicans, democrats, all across the spectrum. there is an emphasis in particular on latino voters. in florida, per se, where they have a coalition in terms of

rural voters and latino voters in particular, in a state where everybody is watching to see where things will go, now in 2024. what is your take in terms of what this last 13 day -- these last 13 days what is the focus? >> 13 days is not going to make much of a difference with latino voters are any particular group. that is one of the problems. you can't just remember a particular group 13 days away or 13 weeks away. you need to remember them the whole four years. that is a constant complaint. latino voters, i think, there's so many different things going on with them. first of all, i need to tell you, republicans in florida, republicans nationally, have lashes are focused on latinos in miami day county where i live. and they have done a good job of it. >> what are they offering them that is so appealing to latino voters there? >> attention. they are offering them free citizenship clinics. so, you know, if you want to be a citizen, the rnc is sponsoring clinics.

they are also offering some candidates that actually pay them attention and cater to them. listen, ron desantis has a cuban lieutenant governor. and he goes down to miami talks about cuba and venezuela and all these things constantly. yeah. he also slapped a lot of venezuelan political asylum applicants to martha's vineyard. >> how did that play with latinos in florida? >> apparently, to my shock, less badly than i would have thought and hoped. it didn't play well in my household. but i can tell you that i think a lot of people seem to be okay with it and it is the same, i think it is the same concept. also, listen, democrats have done a really bad job in florida. in providing good candidates. the guy they are running for governor against ron desantis is a recycled has been, who was a republican, and independent, and a democrat. and so, how in the world do you want people to get enthused

about that? and you know, i think democrats have to look at themselves because i think they pretty much -- it feels like florida -- like democrats have given up on florida. and one last thing that i want to say that i think people are picking up on and we saw it in the last couple of weeks. last couple of weeks, we saw what happened in l. a. county. there were latino members of the county. the county commission, talking about the division. saying some really racist things against african americans. and i think there is an unspoken division and competition that republicans are seizing on and exploiting to make minority groups pick them against each other and make them compete for the small piece of pie. >> when you think about the idea of the rejection of the monolith, when you paint such a broad stroke and suggest, people of color want this. without the nuances you are

talking about. similarly, it could be what the woman voter wants. it could be those issues are talking about. >> do you think that democrats are -- >> i do. but i think it's different. i want to agree with what you said about this. their places in america. first of all, there's no latino vote. we're talking about different states, different demographics. all of these people -- and you look at places like florida and texas where the republican party has been very smart, where they've reached with candidates they haven't race cars or demagogues they have been very careful. you look at places where they are absolutely on the defense, mostly in the west, in california and arizona and new mexico, which used to be republican states, at least in no mexico and arizona and are now democratic because latino voters are walking away in mass to them because the local candidates there have said crazy stuff that you are just talking about. they have crazy sheriffs that run forever in arizona doing racist stuff. that just drove them to the modern-day democratic party. the democrats are having a

struggle internally about whether or not we will be pc and say all these great things and calling them latin acts and all were actually talk to the voters about things they care about. like economy and education and things that every other voter cares about. >> maybe democrats should do that one. the latter. >> the latter. we >> it almost gives the impression, speaking about how people conflate issues, the assumptions that are made, the sunshine is that if you focus on immigration, then by design, you will have the latino vote, without acknowledging there is a distinction, right? the idea of thinking about what countries we're thinking about, the citizens, seeking a pathway to citizenship. the assumption that immigration policy equals the only or the top issue for latino voters is a dangerous assumption to make based on the notion of even sending to martha's vineyard -- but you are sort of nodding along right now in disagreement? >> totally. everything she said, i totally agree with. >> breaking news! somebody, please -- >> we build bridges here. >> i love this moment. i want to let it linger.

>> it's not going to last long, but go ahead. >> republicans are rolling in florida, largely because of the outreach that she was talking about that the republicans have done and i think the republican officeholders down there had started to treat latino voters, hispanic voters, like they're every other american that has concerns that are broader than just immigration reform. i think when you get in trouble in politics is when you have a certain identity characteristic therefore, you are just allowed to care about this issue that i associate with your identity, so your female voter and i tell, you you are only allowed to care about abortion, well what if they're independent women that also care about inflation? you are leaving yourself out of that debate. i think that is what democrats have done with latino voters in florida and texas. i don't agree about arizona. it looks to me like republicans will probably win the governor's race in arizona and according to some polling,

masters is close. i don't know if you will win. do i want to bet money? [laughs] >> you are holding the republican, on everything you said tonight. let's be in the middle and talk about it. arizona is a great example. that wasn't even on the ballot. when you are in the white house or i was in the white house. now, democrats are winning presidential elections. they both senate seats, and you are saying -- enough with the talking points. >> are you saying that the democratic candidate for governor is currently doing well in arizona? >> i'm saying the democrats have won the presidency and said it's. it's a >> i am saying in this election -- >> are you seeing our county a won't win the u.s. senate race? >> i'm saying in this election, republicans and many states, most states, are doing far better with hispanic voters than we usually do. there is a clear movement in the polling and in some of the races that have already occurred this year, have hispanic voters choosing republicans. that is a fact. >> so, they're winning the majority? >> no, there's a movement towards it. beyond what we normally get. >> are you disagreeing? it is a fact.

republicans have done better with hispanics. >> in arizona? really? you've lost every statewide race. >> come on, enough with the talking points. >> i feel like you are debate with carl roe. like your ears are clogged. i am telling you -- >> i tell you what, man, do you have a single friend? >> guys, stop! >> i'm sorry. i don't come on here and read talking points. you know me. and i don't come here and read talking. points i don't even know you and you insult me. i don't want to be accused of reading topic points. it's an absolute fact republicans are doing somewhat better but hispanics. she laid it out. -- >> here is the thing. can we say? there's really no need to bet, is there? because in 13 days -- we can opine and pontificate and prognosticate, or we can

wait and see what the voters of arizona actually tell us and we will get there soon. see >> things are getting spicy everywhere, everywhere. these conversations are happening everywhere. >> i like what you did there. spicy, latino, the thing. >> you can tell when democrats are feeling the pressure and start insulting everybody. >> okay, stop. can you go back to that pretty moment when you said i agree with everything? >> she was right. she was dead on in florida. 100%. >> we are pivoting right now to another story because the washington post is out with a new analysis of the nfl and they've come to the conclusion that the league uses of black coaches when they need to clean up teams messes. we will explain.

the nfl still has a lot of work to do when it comes to hiring black coaches, but a new

analysis from the washington post shows that nfl team's often turned to black coaches to serve as interim leaders when the teams are in crisis. since 1990, just three out of 14 black interim coaches were offered a permanent role, that compares to ten out of 32 white interim coaches, who were promoted to a permanent position. but you are telling me that it is often the black coaches that have a better record. >> remember the hunger games, where the odds are ever in your favor. they should've been in the favor of the coaches that had better records. instead, the stats are that white interim coaches, who had promotions with eight point 361 running record, as compared to the black coaches, over 500 or more. you have this idea here building about the rooney rule, which is essentially that you need to give somebody a chance and actually have diverse hirings. and you've got the glass cliff.

it's why we have this panel here today because the glass cliff including a former nfl -- >> let's bring in anna navarro again. we also have former nfl player talked a stallworth. who we love having. and scott jennings is back with us. the glass cliff is basically cleanup on aisle nine is needed. let's get the black coach and to do it. am i explaining it right? >> yeah, it seems that way. when you look at the way that the nfl has had its hiring practices over the last couple of decades, they have tried to make these amendments to the rooney rule, where you have to interview more black coaches, more minority coaches, but we have seen time and time again, when you are doing a pick up on aisle nine, it is not the coaches that have had these teams, right? they're picking up from their head coaches jobs and i think when we kind of get lost in the weeds of how this happens when the coaches that are coming on the interim, coaching, they are not able to instill their philosophy.

they aren't able to bring the players through free agency. they are essentially picking up someone else is a mess. and they are told to hold this together while we figure out the future. >> they are set up for failure. that is part of the frustration. there is a class action suit, as we know, involving two black coaches. one in florida. and steve wilkes as well. if you think about how this is going, i mean, the whole premise of the glass cliff is you never had a chance. we brought you in because everything was problematic and to give the illusory chance that you could fill the role, we will put you there, but primary coaches? forget about it. this is a lead, which is the issue, which is 70% of the players are black, 13% of the coaches, in all categories, black, overtime? is it a coincidence? >> you know what? you can't argue with the data right? i think there are well meaning people that are in the nfl at times, where they don't necessarily know that this is

what is happening, but when you look at the data, you can't refute that empirical evidence, so i think that is why the league office has tried to push the owners. ultimately, it's the owners decision who they hire and fire. the nfl can put the rooney rule in, they can make all the amendments they want, but at the end of the day, it's the owners who have the hiring power in the nfl. >> i have a question. in some of these difficult situations, is it possible that some of the interim coaches that are brought in, like, when you're brought in to handle a crisis and you do a terrific job, it is there a potential silver lining to be hired into one of the situations because it turns out you're a masterful leader and you can handle a crisis and run a team at the same time? i don't know of any situations where that panned out for somebody. but in your experience, has that ever been the possibility, where someone got dropped into a mess and turned out to be a total genius? >> it has happened. i can't speak to exactly which coaches. but it's happened.

it's very rare. again, i think it's rare because whenever a coach is fired, it has been usually totally dysfunctional. look at what happened with the carolina panthers. they traded away one of the best players their franchise has ever had. that signals to the rest of the team that we are playing for the future. we're not trying to win. we are not looking to win the super bowl this year. we are planning for the future. they have brought in steve wilkes. all i can say about that is that sometimes when they do hire these interim coaches, the head coach has the option to have an assistant head coach and sometimes, that assistant head coach, the head coach's decision, it's his decision to hire that assistant head coach to come in and sometimes, it is. but sometimes the owner will step in and make the final decision of who they want the interim head coach to be. >> don't even look at me. this entire conversation right now has my palms sweating. i have like -- anderson cooper level of sports knowledge. i did hear about the brian

flores issue because it was talked about in my house. but that is all i know. >> are you throwing anderson under the bus? >> have you ever seen anderson? anderson talks about this. he confesses it. >> i thought that i held the record at cnn for knowing the least about sports, but maybe it is anderson. >> no, it is me. well, i will tell you that i am so glad that you brought this up in this discussion and if we keep talking about coaches -- it's also offensive coordinators, defensive coordinators. it's not just the head coach, the 32 -- and this is just such a relate-able issue as out of the world of football and corporate america and other instances. it's women, people of color, as well, on this glass cliff. if you didn't know about it, now you know. we want to know what you think out there as well. is the nfl using this? i have you heard about the glass cliff? do you have your own experience as well? tweet us @alisyncamerota @thelauracoates use the hashtag cnn sound off.

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of iran, thousands of protesters ignoring government road closures and walking to the grave site of mahsa amini. they are marking 40 days of the 22-year-old iranian woman died after being detained by so-called iranian police for, allegedly failing to observe the country's strict dress code. her death sparked a wave of protests across the country and today, the u.s. announced new sanctions against iranian officials, for their brutal crackdown on this protesters. >> i'm watching the video there because it has been astounding. 40 days and the outrage has not died down. the protests have not died down. and today, apparently, the security forces told her family not to mark the 40 day commemorative of her death, >>

which is an important moment for iranian and islamic faith, the idea of thinking about the 40 days. that is very significant. >> and they would not let her family march with theml. they threatened her brother with arrest. it is not getting better. obviously, people are not going back to their homes. as the security forces are threatening them. >> they don't have a ban for the government to be able to shut down engagement and ceremonies, even under a protection reason of safety and security concerns. the idea of what is really happening to the family planned to celebrate? it is a lie. we are still thinking of her and the protests and iran. >> we will stay on the story of course. back here, our politics -- does that mean extremism is now local also? we will look at the local threats to disrupt elections. we have some incredible examples to show you. and we would experience turbulence. i would watch the flight attendants. if they're not nervous, then i'm not going to be nervous.

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with less than two weeks to go -- >> 13 days. >> i tell you it's 13