thank you so much for joining me tonight, you can follow me on facebook, instagram, and tiktok at jake tapper. tomorrow we're gonna have two big guests, doctor anthony fauci, he is winding down his extraordinary government service. we are going to talk about guidance from health officials being politicized, and much more. we are also going to talk about the actor f marie abraham, who among his most recent credits is in white lotus. that is tomorrow at 9 pm eastern. our coverage now continues with the wonderful, wonderful, wonderful laura coats, and the awesome, totally awesome allison comrade oh.

>> awesome, totally off? somewhat from? >> a key line at fast times at richmond high. fred hamilton does a with a coffee, typically comes out of the bathroom. wonderful, wonderful, wonderful, is a reference to steve martin 's film l.a. story. he says it when he's falling in love. >> and here i thought it came to mind because you saw me in canary a yellow. >> that is what inspired it. anyway it was a cinematic theme. >> i like the fun facts to start the show. that is awesome. >> very good, you are awesome t.j.. >> talk to you guys. >> good evening everyone, i am laura coates in washington, and i am alison camera auto in new york. this is cnn tonight. >> we are here not just received the pop culture pan from jake pat tapper, but we are also here with our panelists from across the political spectrum.

there is one team here in washington with me >> and the others in new york with me. >> basically we have so much news we need to studios. it does not fit in one. so let's start with all of the developments heading up to the midterms. the big guns from barack obama to donald trump are about to hit the campaign trail, and we've also got new polling that tells us about why people are choosing certain candidates, and the kind of america voters want to have. which of course is every candidate's dream, to have this data. we also have a mid term issue that affects every, single american. frankly for that matter, all around the world. the climate crisis. jane fonda is going to be here to talk about her climate activism, and what she things will happen if republicans retake the house and the senate. >> i look forward to that conversation. meanwhile, we also have breaking news at this hour. ivan musk has just closed that 44 billion dollar deal to buy twitter. he is already fired the top

people. what that means for all of us. >> i guess yesterday was a preview, alison, let that sink in. building off that meme. let's get right to our countdown with the midterms, we are 12 days away. here with me now is national review editor, cnn political commentators ashley allison and david. i'm glad that you are all here. first of all, the twitter news, we are going to get to it. i think the world is about to change in a very interesting way, 12 days before midterm. but there is also some data out there. the polls are really, really striking. i know it is a polar coaster oftentimes. there is a great pull out right now that talks about whether americans think that things are going in the right direction. the put on the screen, overall, 74% think it is going in the wrong direction. the wrong direction. it breaks down to 53% of democrats feel this way, 76% of

independents feel this way, 93% of republicans, 93% of white evangelicals, 80% of white voters, 58% of black voters, 66% of hispanic voters. this is all people who think it is going in the wrong direction. you guys, we are 12 days out. what does this signal to you in terms of, should we say the two words together, the red wave? >> i think there is been a consensus for most of this millennium that we are going in the wrong direction. but the fact is people do not to agree on why we're going in the wrong direction the wrong direction. we saw 53% of democrats think that we are going in the wrong direction, and presumably that is for very different reasons that 93% of republicans thinking that we're going in the wrong direction. but, it is one of the reasons why midterm elections go badly for the party in power. because we have had this persistent unhappiness with the state of the country, there tends to be a kind of reaction to who is in power. there are a lot of

reasons why democrats thought that was not gonna happen this year, maybe with the dobbs decision overturning roe versus -- >> rove ember a possibility, right? >> that you have a break in the usual pattern, but we reality is starting to set in that we are getting back to the usual pattern. >> the pattern, i am always a little bit skeptical of it. maybe it is the prosecutor in any, but i wonder how much of it is seed planting. if someone is saying to you, this is the foregone conclusion, does it encourage voters, doesn't discourage them, get them out, or say never mind then? it was poll reflective of that? >> i agree that the direction with which way the country is going, some say that it has been going in the wrong direction since 1950. with women's rights, black for -- basically everybody sitting at this panel, so i think it has been going in the right direction since 1950. i think for laying the groundwork, what are we defying as a red wave.

if that means up and down the ballot, republicans win in all the governors races, they take the house, they take the senate, that is how you find a red wave. i do not think that the going to sweep the playing field. i think that there will not be, maybe we will lose one chamber of commerce, but i think democrats will still fare well and farewell better than democrats or whoever is in power normally does in a midterm election. >> by the way, on those points of why people think things are failing, we have a lot of to last point issues. hot button issues. we are talking about anything from abortion, in particular i mentioned roe v. wade, it was always thought about as a miscalculation, that we would believe to have the sustaining power of outrage for jobs to last through here. but here's a moment where john fetterman was speaking in talking about doctor oz and his statements on abortion. listen to this. >> to hear dr. oz think about what he really believes about

abortion, and the fact that it should be made by local political officials, like doug mastriano, it is alarming and the fact that now people realize exactly what he believes, and the kind of vote he would make if he was in the senate. you cannot afford to give a clown a vote on roe v. wade. >> so, to your point ashley, a the idea of things going the wrong direction, many would argue that the overturning of roe v. wade, that was a signal of a clear demarcation of wrong direction. it is being played differently for democrats and republicans. >> it was wrong direction if you look at polls that show the majority of americans are pro-choice. it was wrong for democrats, though, to rely on that so early in 2022, as something that was going to catapult them into damage in the midterm elections. i do not think that democrats are going

to take that 2010 should lacking that they did, but i do think things are trending towards republicans right now, part of it is because democrats have had trouble walking in doing come at the same time. but also trying to tout the ad positive aspects of biden's record, which there are positive aspects, but also trying to address in a way that voters will respond, to the negative aspects of president biden's record. you can do all those things at the same time, democrats have not done all that. >> listen to senator lindsey graham. he was commenting on the messaging, and how he thinks the senate candidate herschel walker was so disruptive to what these identities politics tell us about our nation. listen to this. >> why herschel? they are beating all of their guys up, but what is it about this guy? he changes the entire narrative of the left. we are party of racists. the republican party is racist. what happens when the republican party elects and nominates herschel walker, an

african american, black, heisman trophy winner, olympian, it destroys the whole narrative. john james, tim scott, herschel walker, everybody in san francisco is going to jump off a bridge if they elect this man, a black conservative beats a black liberal in georgia. >> what do you make of that statement? forget the jumping off the bridges in san francisco, we'll put that two aside. it's the idea that it is destructive, is that what is going on here? >> i think that a lot of republicans believe that it is important for the party to have more diverse representatives, so that there is a special value like senator graham attached to successful black candidates. they also think, with that minority republicans are targeted for special criticism. i think walker's record and passed, his

inability to persuasively defend himself and make coherent statements on a consistent basis, are really what has caused him to be as controversial a candidate as he is. >> let's bring in alison, i want to hear her take on the panel as well. what do you think? >> we've been listening with great interest and the panelists here are really interested in the polling. let's bring in john vernon, bill kristol, and journalist mara ask all. let's go back to that polling, this is from the research institute, because i know you guys were fascinated by some of these findings. let's look at the 1950s. john, which i know you hold in very high regard. >> the way of life has mostly changed for the worst,, that is the question 66% of republicans agree with that, 71% of evangelicals agree with that.

they are -- 55% of republicans agree, 12% of democrats, and newcomers -- 69% of a republicans agree 65% of white evangelicals, and john does not to say that many people in this country feel that the culture is shifting more quickly than they are comfortable with, and they will be voting for candidates that will basically be promising to curtail immigration? you know what the 1950s are better for, dying. people died much younger. the life expectancy was 66, now it's 79. i don't know what people think they are harkening back to, when they take it the 1950s. they weren't alive. most of the people in these polls were not alive then. only 17%

at the population are 65 and older, so people making stuff up here about what they see from the 1950s and god knows what tv shows. that was the 60s and 70s, which were way cooler. if they said the 60s or 70s, i would be all in. but seriously, these people are making stuff up. it's nostalgia for something they know nothing about. they're creating this notion, this idealized notion of something, and you have to wonder what their motivations are. their motivations, i honestly don't know. >> it's like i said, bill, it's what i said. forget the 50s part of it, for a second. it's the shifting sands of the culture. not everyone is caught the ball with it. they have been outspoken about the. >> john makes an important -- implicit distinction, i was a conservative for many years. nostalgic could be harmless. nostalgia could even be a pointer towards a kind of healthy, don't assume everything is better because it's a chronological time. --

what a second, not everything you say is progress is automatically progress. maybe others got some things right, and we should preserve those things -- i was always more sympathetic to nostalgia in the pass, but i gotta say, in the last 6 or 8 years, when it has been weaponized away it has and turned into bitter hostility to change immigrants, minority groups, a refusal to convey something. the 50s, it was a lot of implicit -- in that respect, i think i was too nice to nostalgia. what we see in america today is this sort of downside of the politicization almost weaponization of a kind of nostalgia. >> i am not saying it's right or wrong. i am just saying, doesn't explain how some people are voting for these candidates, who are promising to stop progress, at least a progress certainly on the immigration front? >> i don't think it is as innocent as just nostalgia wanting to harken back to a

time before school shootings, when your kids could ride their bikes until after dark. i think that this is a little bit more sinister than that. i think these people want to go back to a time when they had a little more power, because the system was structured differently, because there were fewer rights for blacks, because there were fewer rights for immigrants, because there were fewer rights for women. women could not even on their own credit cards until the 70s. now credit cards were not created until the late 50s, but it took 16 years before a woman could open a credit card without another man signing on. i think that there are a lot of people who really want to go back to the time, when they would have had more power. it reminds me of when we first started hearing the slogan, make america great again. a lot of black people were saying, wait a minute, when you say again, what, kind of time period are you referring to? it was not great for us back then, and it is no surprise that in this poll, the group of people that lease want to go back to the 19 50s are black. >> one in 4 homes in americas -- in the 1950s not flush toilets. this is what people want to go back to. >> you have a deep dive on

1950s. again, i think that is a bit of a headline, as opposed to what mara is talking about. i think it sounds good to go back before school shootings and kids could ride bikes after dark. there is a feeling -- don't downplay that, that is a motivator for people, but i don't know that we can go back there, instead of problem solving now. >> when you look at the groups that won the most to go back to that time, it's very instructive, because when you see -- for example, the group that wanted to go back the most, the largest percentage for whites without a college degree. a group that wants to go back the least are blacks. you can learn a lot about what people think about in the time period by want to go back and who does not. >> laura, your thoughts. >> i have to tell you, nostalgia is only as good as those who benefited from the memory. i think that is part of what mara is alluding to. well i certainly do know the theme song for the andy griffin show, i do like watching it, it's not an era i want to live in. i think the bigger issue here allison is that it's about the

feeling. as much as all politics is local, that's how people capitalize on it. that's what people want to cultivate a plan to's -- in some ways, it's not all that different of that question, i'm paraphrasing here, are you happy or not anywhere 5 or 4 years ago? making people use these comparison points makes the ones not empower, sometimes feel like may i have the ticket to the vehicle for change. it will be fascinating to see how it pans out. it's not 13 days away now, it's 12. maybe nostalgia will be on the ballot next to all the other invisible ink. i submit that it will be, i think that all politics is personal, not just local. it is personal. the feeling of what you think that candidate is gonna give, you whether it is flush toilets, or other kinds of problems. >> i am all for, that sign me up. >> i will take to. i will take like a half past to.

>> too much information, john. >> laura, help. >> i'm going to avoid this going down the drain. and we are going to talk about tribal politics next, and what is really at the root of all of this. that is the real question, and anything else that you want to say to allison and me, please no questions about toilets. i do not want to talk about that. up next, elon musk completes his deal allyson to buy twitter, and the firing has already begun tonight.

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we've got some late breaking news tonight, alison. elon musk's 44 billion dollar twitter takeover is official. he has already started firing people, including two other executives, according to two sources. it is pretty unbelievable. he said that he plans to rethink twitters policies in terms of free speech, and he also says that he disagrees with permanent bans for those who repeatedly violate its rules, which of course has a lot of people watching to see what will happen with trump. i think it is fair to ask, what this means for all of our lives? it will have an impact. >> especially, remember, it's

not just the idea in a vacuum. we are talking about how close to a midterm election, in preparation for the 2024 presidential run, we know how impactful twitter was for candidates and the idea of a certain entitlement that were bestowed upon those who are campaigning in the moment and the idea of what was a public announcement. i am really curious to see, also, if president trump will come back. he said he wouldn't, but i wonder if he will. >> i wonder what elon musk's definition of free speech is. john berman is back with us, also cnn international correspondent mark stewart, and cnn contributor chair carrie champion. carrie do you have thoughts about what this means for all of our lives? >> you both touched on something that i have thought of, will trump come back? and what is musk's interpretation of free speech? as a black woman on twitter, if i tweet anything in support of another black woman, i immediately find myself dealing with a sea of

bots, telling me that i am wrong, that i am racist, it is wrong. so for instance, brittney griner, i tweet that i am in support of britney griner. i want her home, and i think what is happening to his unfair. the reaction i get so violent unfair, it makes me not even know if this is a place where i want to share my free speech. now, when he says any free speech, does he take care of that? does he get rid of the n word, that i am often called relentlessly? does he says that this these are things that you can say to people? how do you decide to be a referee of hate? oftentimes, that is what i get on social media. >> that is awful. i am so sorry to hear that. >> it is disgusting, and no one is there to regulated, and in fact it is normal. this is what i do, i am going to tweet

anything. something, perhaps a marginalized group of people. i know that without fail there will be so much hate in response to what i tweet, so is that the free speech she speaks of? i do not understand why we live in a world where supporting someone requires you to be a racist? he said in a statement today that he believes in humanity, but what about the humanity of somebody like me? >> he has a lot of questions to answer for things like that. >> mark your thoughts, what does this mean for all of us? >> i think it means that this is a new era of twitter. >> if you are the owner of a grocery store or a car dealership, the list goes on and on, if you need to make a change in the way that you do business, you bring in new people. so back to the point that carrie made about what is this definition of free speech? well, i do not want to speak for elon musk, but perhaps the previous ceo had a much different view of what constitutes it is free speech. if he wants to move forward with all of this, he is going to have to find people who

agree with him and see eye to eye. i also think it is important to point out that, even though, some very big names have departed from twitter, it does not mean that everyone who works there is going to be fired. you still need people to do the day in, day out tasks of administration of this very valuable platform. perhaps there are people that elon musk will meet during his visits who feel the same way as him. maybe these people will be elevated. clearly, a new era, a whole new view of principle, that is why we are seeing a change. >> here is a statement from ask about all this. twitter cannot become a free-for-all's gate, where anything can be said with no consequences. in addition to hearing with the laws of the land, our platform must be warm and welcoming to all. you can choose your desired experience according to your preferences, just as you can see movies, play video games, ranging from all ages to mature. what could

go wrong? >> the statement goes on, and he's basically begging actor ties are's to stick around. that is the bulk of the statement. he is nervous that people are going to rebel against him. the guy has now taken over a company that he did not want, and he fired the people who were there immediately. is he going to take it seriously? if this is something that elon musk is going to care about in a week, or two weeks? >> you have to put the infrastructure in. if you are really going to make is a welcoming place and fight for the stuff that you're talking parts of our society, but there are people who depend on it for information. it would be nice to see a responsible steward of this place. >> thank you all very much, great insights. great to see you all. now, will the climate crisis be on the ballot this midterm election. actors and activist jane fonda has a lot to say about that, and we will talk to her, next. we are

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talking a lot about issues that are going to decide the upcoming election. the economy, abortion, immigration, in the future of our democracy, but how about the future of our planet? according to a recent report ovejust last year alone, climate change has caused by humans has affected 90 6% of the world's population. here in the u.s., results unfold all around us, in the most devastating ways. we have seen them. hurricanes, fires, floods, droughts, extreme heat. my next guest is

fighting to make sure that this november, climate is on the ballot. joining me now is actress, activist, and author, the great jane fonda. thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you for having me, i appreciate it. it's good to see you. >> you know, i think it is so remarkable not only your career, but how you have used your platform, particularly how it relates to something that impacts all of us. in the long run, in the short term, you are up against and have been fighting against perceptions of climate change being something that is a conspiracy theory, being dismissed as, not being taken seriously. can you talk to me about the work that you are doing, and why you have felt so compelled to ensure that you are fighting this good fight? >> well, i mean, we are facing a civilizational crisis. this is never happened before since

human beings have existed. we face a huge climate catastrophe. i, like a lot of people, have young grandchildren, i want to have a future for them. i see how angry young people are, because we really have put their future in jeopardy. >> you know what is stunning is, even with the current standards, meeting that goal that you just stated, seems to be something that at the present time, is not as attainable as is a hypothesized. you know, there is a cost to it. not just the cost, in terms of what it does to our children, our future, our grandchildren, the future of human civilization, but it actually has a cost associated with it. the extreme weather that has resulted, has cost billions of dollars to the overall economy. the overall world. jane, this is not just a problem for a select few. 96% of the world is impacted by the global climate change. it really is we are all in it

together. do you feel as though it is being taken seriously globally in that realm? >> yes, i think other countries are much more serious about it because they are more impacted, perhaps. over 70% of americans are concerned about the climate crisis, the problem is that too many of our elected officials, democrats and republicans take money from the fossil fuel industry. consequently, the real important legislation that we need to stem the burning of fossil fuels is not happening. that is why recently i have started the jane fonda climate pact, to get climate champions elected to office so that we can begin to pass legislation that will do something important. we only have four election cycles left, and that includes this november. >> we've got 12 days left until the midterm elections coming up. democracy is on the ballot,

the issues abortion is on the ballot, you've got the actual different legislative initiatives, and you've got people who are denying the elections on the ballot, just to name a few of the things that people are grappling with. do you think that people are looking at climate as a very important factor in their decision leading up to the midterm elections? obviously it is something that ought to be contemplated, but have the politicians, incumbents, candidates on both sides britt done a good job of bridging that gap for the public and the electorate? >> well, i think that the media is partly responsible for for the problem. i've been traveling the country working with climate champions who are running for office, and they are very clear. they all have a climate plan, they know what we are facing, and the people that i have met in the states as i was campaigning, they are aware and they are going to be voting for these people because they are concerned. you take for

example the hurricane ian that just devastated parts of florida. now, just imagine two days later, another one hits and then another one hits in texas. and then another one hits -- pretty soon we are not going to have time to rebuild and collect ourselves and pay for what needs to be paid for. it is going to get worse, and we just have to act fast. >> just using your celebrity, using your platform to raise more awareness and about the urgency. we know the clear and present dangers that are presented and imposed, it is not lost on me or critique of the media coverage and what can feel myopic on certain topics. i know people complain a great deal, and i can appreciate that, but in terms of using your celebrity, i wonder, the way that you have gone about it from fire joe fridays and beyond, the way you've been consistent, what do you make of

what we are seeing in some of the art museums in some areas of the world where people are throwing food onto revered works of arts as a way to draw attention? do you think that this tactic is something that is getting the attention, and moving the needle in a way that, say your work as? >> it certainly gets attention. i think that it makes people angry, you know i have been arrested a lot of times for engaging in civil disobedience, which is doing things that are against the law, if the law was wrong. but, i have avoided, for example, blocking freeways and things that will, the average person will want to get home for dinner, or want to get where their kids are in school. i am not particularly -- i understand where the anger comes from. i am not in favor of doing things that will make the average working person

angry because it affects them and their lives. >> some argue that it affects the way they view the overall movement, that could be counterproductive. you never know. but i know that the amount of work that is being done, and the work that your pack is doing as well, thank you for joining us this evening in making sure that the lines are drawn and the bridges are felt for the electorate, about what is on the ballot, even if it feels like it isn't invisible ink. thank you jane. >> thank you, i appreciate being here. >> really interesting. >> wasn't it? just thinking about her response to the tactics that are being used now, that is getting a lot of attention in terms of defacing artwork and what that means, and that overall conversation. what is more important, to this art or the long term sustainability of our planet? it is fascinating. >> i appreciated what she said that she tries not to do things that will get in the way of working people, because you

need their support for your cause. you do not want to work at cross purposes with people. jane fonda has been politically active and socially conscious forever. she is somebody who has been doing this for decades, so she walked the walk here. >> she certainly does, and she looks good doing it. i was like, can we lower my lights. >> we can agree on that. laura, next question. where is lebron james? and that is not rhetorical. where is he? >> i think he should be an l. a. playing for the lakers, but i get your point. >> because here is the point. he played a huge role in the 2020 election, but he is oddly missing from this mid term season. why? that is next. so

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we just heard from jane fonda

about how she is fighting climate crisis. she is always been politically active, but she is not alone. many celebrities, musicians, star athletes are championing social causes and political endorsements. but do celebrities actually move the needle? we are back with john berman, bill kristol, and sherrie champion. lynn when well miranda is doing something with stacey abrams and raphael warnock after paul rudd and dave matthews are out for john fetterman. -- in arizona there is a whole bunch of them. bill, can you think of a time when a celebrity has actually move the needle for a candidate? >> donald trump got himself elected. and i think we, all i personally, i wildly underestimated the pure celebrity side of trump. the apprentice, 14 seasons. look

who is running for senate this year, not accidentally is trump supporting candidates. dr. oz. because he is a tv celebrity. herschel walker, why is he candidate in georgia? because he is a football player. we >> actually have some other celebrities, because running as a celebrity certainly works. so here, as we will see, trump, reagan, al franken, schwarzenegger, we have jerry springer. jerry springer was actually a mayor before he was a celebrity. >> sunny bono was actually alive during color film, but for some reason he used a black and white photo from i don't know what era. i take your point that that is it different as lombardi endorsement. >> i do, i think it not only move the needle but it gets people involved. you mentioned lebron where he's been so quiet, for very long period of time more than a vote which was his organization to make sure that

people were getting out to vote. it was huge i actually partnered with him to do a couple of different projects with him to make sure that people are actually getting to the polls, and it mattered. what happened was whether they are heroes or not, they are idols. and people do pay tension to what they are doing, and does not become trendy necessarily, but it brings issues and awareness to people that would otherwise not care. i know that there are people who work in other atmospheres that say voting does not matter. but if you have someone who's been able to, and this is why so many people are hearing about lebron's effect, there is such thing as a lebron effect. he has an on off the court. where is he, this time around? >> he purposely is not speaking because no matter what he does, no matter what he says, he's always criticize. i think this year, he wanted to focus on, as we approach the 20th year of playing ball, his family. if it takes away from that, he can't

focus on that. i do believe we will see him when it matters. i believe if someone he's believes and says explicitly get out, he will. but he's been very particular. he's not lending out that endorsement just because. it cost him too much, too much piece i believe, for his family, his friends and the team. >> john, can you think of the time? >> i think the last biggest time was when oprah him up for obama early, and it was when she did it. now, brooke obama probably would have won without lebron, but when she came up for obama, it conferred on him this huge, huge sense of being the it candidate, but she carried with him to the point, it almost got me too much of the campaign. the mccain sounded like that. i think oprah mattered for obama, and mccain had a hard time fighting

back against that. he brought people on the trail. from what i remember -- how he had wilford brimley out on the campaign trail. >> [laughs] >> didn't oprah come off for obama, when he was in the primaries? that strengthens your point. that is why -- hillary clinton, former first lady, and oprah said i prefer obama. that was a big moment. >> i felt like obama had a star factor anyway. there were something about him, for me, perspective wise, not even working in politics. there's something about him that was an x-factor. you watch certain people and pay attention, and he believed them. there is an authenticity. yes, oprah boosted that. >> they defined that after oprah came out for him, northwestern university did a study that said they believe directly linked to voter turnout and to more donations. >> she won to iowa. she went

and worked for it. i think we forget because he was in power for 8 years. he actually only won by a little bit in the primaries, only barely it's not hillary colin. did oprah make that difference? who knows >> wilford gormley, scott bail -- >> i feel guilty to this data at this piece -- i think he's a wonderful -- >> a lovely human, yeah, yeah. >> laura, your thoughts? >> on wilford burnley? i don't have thoughts. it's funny to think about the definition of celebrities versus where they are now, like tiktok influencers. that is who is invited to the white house now. that's who they're trying to covit, the idea of who is going to have a similar influence to what traditionally, even years gone by, where the big name celebrities. now it's people that had memes. people who are running the game in terms of tiktok and social media, so as you know, the biden administration tapped into that this very week trying to have their influence. so it's fascinating to think about how

quickly and turned on a dime influence and influencers are no longer who we think of as celebrities, so to speak. >> such a good point, particularly with younger people. there is also micro influencers, different groups using for your own neighborhood, your own community, people that. just your right, the game has changed. >> micro influencers, microaggressions, -- >> microwaves -- >> very small people, where i only influence tiny, tiny people. >> laura, sorry about that. >> no, i want to hear more about -- except a toilet conversation, everything else, i'm with you. speaking of a micro aggression here, a maximum aggression, we're talking about antisemitism and bigotry, we all know that he made antisemitic comments that shocked the world, but did they

shock the people closest to kanye west, and what should it mean for the accountability there, perhaps, in the conversations were having? because it turns out, alison, he has a disturbing history, of apparently admiring hitler. we'll dig into it next. we have

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more revelations tonight about yay, formerly known as kanye west. we're learning that he is long been fascinated by adolf hitler. it business executives who worked for ye said at the time, kanye, created a hostile working environment partly because of his obsession with hitler. >> the obsession runs so deep that apparently, he originally wanted to title his 2018 album,

hitler, later released with the title, ye. frankly, the new revelations coming amid a slew of anti-semitic remarks from yale multiple podcasts and tv shows. i think how many people have known and we're in a neighbor comes the mine in a context like this. i wonder about the accountability factor of who knew what when and who profited in the meantime? >> it sounds like people were so disgusted and felt that it was so oppressing, it was not just a fascination with hitler, some people described it as admiration for the -- some people left. it sounded like they actually had to leave their positions as executives because it was so pronounced, and that he has expressed admiration for their use of propaganda and how they were able to become --, and how they were able to become so powerful.

>> it's unbelievable. it's stunning to me, frankly. i am a student of history, i know you are as well. what perhaps it is more disturbing is the collateral damage that this is happening. he's got a school called donda academy, named for his late mother. in one instance, you had the high school basketball team, i believe, it was girls who are not allowed to participate in the tournament, removed from it in part because of the association with the anti semitic comments. the collateral damage in addition to the horrible antisemitism, this is perpetuated. >> i am not sure that is fair. the kids did not say the antisemitic stuff. kanye did. the fact that they can participate in the tournament, as you say, the ripple effect for people heard from his horrible anti-semitic comments. >> it really is, and will continue to see what happens. i suspect it will not and here, but the fairness aspect needs to be discussed. tell us what you think about kanye west. tweet us at alison camera and at the lower costs. stay with us, because they dueling panels are coming back next.

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