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42-year-old man who allegedly assaulted paul with a hammer overnight in the pelosi home. the house speaker was not there. she was in washington. now a source tells cnn that the intruder yelled, where's nancy before the attack. cnn has also learned that the suspect posted conspiracy theories online about the january 6th attack and the 2020 election. >> but the police chief has yet to confirm a motive. he detailed what the three officers encountered when they reached the house. >> when the officers arrived on scene, they encountered an adult male and mrs. pelosi's husband, paul. our officers observed mr. pelosi and the suspect both holding a hammer. the suspect pulled the hammer away from mr. pelosi and violently assaulted him with it. our officers immediately tackled the suspect, disarmed him, took him into custody, requested emergency backup, and rendered medical aid. >> now the chief said both paul
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pelosi and the intruder then went to the hospital. the speaker's office says her husband is expected to make a fullery. cnn's jamie gangel and evan perez and josh campbell is at the scene of the pelosi home in san francisco. josh, what is going on there behind you right now? >> reporter: yeah, i'll step aside here and show you. this is now a crime scene, this residence of house speaker nancy pelosi. police have both sides of the street blocked off. we've seen a number of law enforcement personnel here, dozens at times as well as numerous special agents with the fbi. they had officers from the san francisco police bomb squad out here as well. they just departed, but a lot of evidence processing now under way. again, we know that this incident took place just around 2:30 a.m. here at the residence, and what police say is that the suspect was engaged in an assault on house speaker nancy pelosi's husband. according to our colleague, jamie gangel, this individual
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had yelled inside this house, where's thanancy? it appears the target was the house speaker herself. police walked toward the two men and they were struggling over a hammer and the suspect allegedly started assaulting mr. pelosi with the hammer. police tackled that individual. he was taken to the hospital. mr. pelosi was taken to the hospital as well. we're told he's expected to survive, but did receive serious medical treatment, and we're learning from our great investigative team here at cnn more about this individual, particularly this very chilling online presence. in numerous facebook posts we see this individual posting conspiracy theories about the 2020 election, about covid vaccines, about the january 6th investigative committee and additionally posting about mike lindell, the pillow guy who has obviously been a proponent of these falsehoods regarding the 2020 election.
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the police are not saying they're prepared to announce a motive yet, but we're learning a lot by looking into his background. we're told by the district attorney he will be charged with numerous crimes including attempted homicide, assault as well as elder abuse, but even though he's in custody right now, these officers right now continued to process that scene. we know that prosecution will be down the road and they have to build an airtight case here which involves gathering a lot of evidence like over my shoulder. >> you have been getting more information about what happened during this attack, jamie, and what's happened since. what do you know? >> reporter: let me just give you a quick update on what we're hearing about his condition. i'm told from multiple sources familiar with his care that while we haven't gotten an official update from the hospital yet that he was taken into surgery this morning, that he is in surgery right now. i'm told the family was assured
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by doctors that he would make a full recovery, but we should not make light of any of this. we really don't know the full extent of his injuries yet, and as we know, he was hit multiple times with a hammer. just to go back to the attacker for a minute, our sources tell us that while he -- before he was hit, when the assailant went into the house, the first thing he did when he confronted paul pelosi was to shout, "where is nancy? where is nancy?" for those of you who remember the january 6th riots at the capitol, it is just eerily reminiscent of what some of those rioters were saying that day as they were walking through the capitol, and i'm also told that the attacker was trying to
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tie him up, tie paul pelosi up, and that when the police arrived, they heard him saying, we're waiting for nancy. so that is the latest we're hearing. i'm hoping to have a little bit more on his surgery shortly. >> just chilling details there, jamie, and it's worth noting that the pelosi home has been vandalized in the past. so many know where that home is located in san francisco, and who resides there. evan, what more are you learning about this suspect who is now in police custody? >> reporter: well, there is a very disturbing picture that's emerging from some of these social media postings. our investigative team has spent a lot of time going through this. these are the things that the fbi, that the san francisco police, and the capitol police are also now going through as they try to put together a picture and a motive really of why this occurred today.
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our team has talked to relatives from back home in british colombia where he apparently grew up. david depap grew up, and through the years we've looked at a lot of these social media postings and a lot of them are from 2021, and they paint a very disturbed picture of somebody who was obsessed with everything from religious conspiracies to as josh just mentioned, some of the conspiracies related to the 2020 election. of course, you saw that facebook post related to mike lindell and the ceo of my pillow who has been trafficking in some of these stolen election conspiracy theories. there were some transphobic images in some of the postings he has there, as well as some of the themes related to the covid vaccine. we've talked to somebody who knew him well when he was apparently housesitting for her home, and lost touch with him,
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in part, because they were disturbed by some of the things he talked about and some of the -- some of his tendencies with regard to perhaps violence, and so that's one of the concerns that obviously would come into play here for law enforcement as they tried to figure out why he did this and what possibly -- whether this is something that the u.s. attorney or fbi will be handling going forward, or whether this remains in the hands of the district attorney or the san francisco police. this is from what jamie gangel is being told by her sources, this is clearly somebody who was driven by some of these conspiracies, came to that home looking for the speaker of the house of representatives and instead found her husband and started attacking him. the police were of course, able to see that happening as it was going on and were able to
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intervene. thankfully he appears to be okay or at least, you know, after his medical care they expect for him to be okay, but it does raise a lot of concern for some of these public figures, some of whom don't have this kind of security and don't have this kind of ready care when something like this might happen. >> yeah. important points there, and as the investigative team is now digging through social media calling contacts, painting a portrait of this suspect that is quite alarming, and it looks like people knew some time ago that there was something wrong, that there was some potential extremism here. let's bring in cnn law enforcement analyst and former police officer michael fanone. he nearly died after capitol rioters assaulted him on january 6th last year. >> also dana bash, and errol lewis, a cnn commentator and political anchor for spectrum news and josh campbell will
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remain outside of the pelosi home for us as well. michael if i could just begin with you, we heard from the police chief that they were alerted to -- at 2:27 this morning to what they said was a priority well-being check. can you explain to us what that is? >> i mean, from what it sounds to me was that somebody outside of the home had concerns about mr. pelosi's well-being and that they may have notified police, and police responded to check on his welfare. >> like a neighbor or something may have been notified? >> neighbor or family member. i mean, that would be my best guess. >> dana, we are seeing responses from republicans and democrats condemning the violence, condemning the attack. are we seeing any condemnation of any other things that are connected to this man? what's the reaction you're seeing online from leaders on
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capitol hill? >> we're seeing some condemnation, you're right. mitch mcconnell, even ted cruz put out statements. we still haven't unless it's happened as we're speaking, seen anything of the sort from kevin mccarthy, the house republican leader. we have seen democrats calling on him to very vehemently condemn this. again, it's -- it's just happening, but that is what democrats, her colleagues are saying in a very, very aggressive way because they're hoping that perhaps this is a moment when finally everybody will stop and say, we have to not continue to stoke this. now we should also have our eyes very wide open because that's what everybody thought after january 6th, that oh, well, when the capitol was attacked, everybody would say, okay. we have to turn the temperature down, but this is -- there's no
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question that given what our colleagues have reported about what is on his social media page, what jamie and others are reporting about what he said to paul pelosi, "where's nancy?" the identical phrase we heard with other own ears on january 6th from the rioters and it's all connected and it's connected by a very dark and very dangerous undertone. not even an undertone. it's a completely above the surface now of anger and hostility across the board and it's got to stop. >> and errol, it's important to remember what environment we're currently in, a heightened state of alert. polling stations across the u country and even here in new york city where just this week there was urging of vigilance as voting is beginning in the city. there was no specific threat that they spoke to at polling
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stations and sites, but talk about the larger issue at hand here about the tension and the fear i guess about other attacks that could possibly happen. >> yeah. this has been building for a number of years and as has often been said, the threat to democracy, the final battle to save democracy is not what you see in a hollywood movie where there are, you know, violins and trumpets that signal that this is the critical moment. right now it's the critical moment. we're talking about a violent attack on the second in line to become president of the united states. now members of congress including the speaker, they are not secret service protectees. they're not automatically given a full compliment of officers from the secret service to watch their family. there's a combination of private security, the capitol police. we have an open society and we want to be able to see our elected representatives, even high powered ones like nancy pelosi. you want to see them at the
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local restaurant or the supermarket, and the attackers who are trying too overthrow an subvert democracy are using that against them. it's a very, very serious problem and by the way, we should not let meta or facebook off the hook. they took down the pages and posted the conspiracy theories and violent threats posted by this -- a suspect today. why did it take so long? when will they ever get it together? when will they implement some standards and understand that they, like the rest of us, have to defend our democracy? >> michael, you were with capitol police for quite a long time. you served while there were other attacks on members of congress. when something like this happens and we'll take the resources into context and there are often shortages of officers, what changes? are there different approaches to protecting the members after there is an attack like we saw
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after the baseball game, after we saw at pramila jayapal's house? >> i was not with the capitol police for very long. i served from '01 to '03 unilaterally from the metropolitan police department. i am familiar with the united states capitol police and their procedures. obviously in the aftermath of events like that, there's a heightened posture when it comes to securing certain individuals. that being said, that department has less than 1,800 officers. they are grossly unmanned or undermanned when it comes to providing that level of security to the amount of members of congress who are currently receiving numerous threats. unfortunately those threats have become commonplace.
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just today a pennsylvania man pled guilty to threatening to kill a member of congress. that was released in the southern district of new york by the department of justice, but the u.s. capitol police does not have the resources to provide that level of protection. many members of congress that i have spoken with in recent months have expressed frustration, how they've taken their security concerns to the capitol police and have been met with, you know, indifference, and that had them seek security outside of traditional means looking for private security companies to supplement the security that they might receive from capitol police. >> so dana, we've heard reports now both on the record and off the record from officials of both sides of the aisle. i mean, it was just a few months ago that susan collins said she was concerned that a member of
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congress, an elected official could actually be killed given the heightened tension in rhetoric and threats out there. is this one issue perhaps that congress can come together on and provide the resources, provide the funding for these understaffed police departments across the country it appears, not just in washington? >> i wish the answer would be yes, but i would not hold my breath on that. the question and the reason is what we talked about before. i mean, if it's not going to happen after january 6th, when is it going to happen? and the things michael fanone is talking about and you are talking about, the undermanned law enforcement and they're trying to do their best every day. that's the way to protect and the reaction. what about the action? what about leaders doing what they used to do which is joining together across the aisle, to
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take the temperature down? what about that? not only is that not happening, the opposite is happening, and it is -- there's no -- there's no question that what susan collins was warning about and what others with talking about, i'm sure neither of you has talked to a member of congress or anybody in the public sphere who has not told you about their concern about security for themselves, for their family, and for their staff. it is everywhere, even though if it is bipartisan, we've seen more since january 6th and since the former president put out the election lies and continues to stoke them. let me just say i was just in arizona and i ran into ron barber who was gabby gifford's chief of staff the day she was shot. he was shot through the face and he was elected briefly to her seat, and we were talking about this very thing, about the fact
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that violence is out there, and it was bad then and it was shocking when a member of congress and staff and people there were attacked by a lunatic, but if you have a lunatic like that still around and they're being spun up by leaders and by conspiracyists who agree with those leaders, what do you expect? >> of course, we will continue to cover the breaking news as we get more information both from josh there at scene and our teams who are looking into the suspect who has now been -- who is in a hospital in custody and he will then be processed on these felonies with which he will face. let's thank michael fanone, dana bash, errol louis and josh campbell. we'll take a quick break and we'll be back. ? it looks like - looks like you paid too much for your glasses. ... who? anyone who isn't shopping at america's best - where two pairs and a free exam start at just $79.95.
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all right. we're getting new information on paul pelosi, the husband of the speaker of the house nancy pelosi. let' >> let's get right back to jamie gangel. what are you hearing right now? >> reporter: we have some new details from a source familiar with the matter. i'm told that speaker pelosi was actually able to speak to her husband earlier today. this was after the attack before he was taken into surgery, and we are told that there were injuries to his head, that the surgery involves injuries to his head. we do not have any further details on the extent of those injuries or what the surgery involves. just to remind everyone, we were previously told that the doctors assured the family that he would
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make a full recovery, but let's just keep in mind how serious this is. this was a violent attack. paul pelosi is 82 years old, and our reporting is that the attacker hit him multiple times with a hammer. >> jamie, thank you for this new reporting that the speaker had a chance to speak with her husband earlier today. you'll continue to let us know when you hear of any further developments. thank you. >> sure. cnn's phil mattingly is at the white house. the president we understand, is alr also reacting to the news of this attack. what did he say? >> reporter: yeah, that's right, victor. the president actually spoke with speaker nancy pelosi this morning, condemned the violence, made clear to the speaker that he was thinking of the family and that his prayers were with the family. he had also been informed that paul pelosi, the speaker's husband was expected to have a full recovery. now the president doesn't have
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any public events throughout the course of this day. he's actually in delaware right now and he's expected to head to philadelphia, pennsylvania for a democratic fund-raising rally later this evening. i think it's probably likely you will hear him say something about this at that fund-raising rally. now officials here have been very clear that they want to respect the family's privacy. they have been keeping the president updated on what they know and when they know it. i think more broadly, obviously there's very real concern about the broader ramifications of things. there's been a lot of concern kind of across washington about whether or not there would be violence, whether or not the heated rhetoric that had really gone well past heated over the course of the last several years would have an awful result to some degree. they have not said anything about the investigation or said anything about potential motives or anything of that nature, but there is a broader concern and that goes to both parties to some degree. for now the president really sticking to what his statement was this morning. again, he did speak to nancy pelosi, is speaker of the house and again, he speaks at a democratic fund-raiser in
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philadelphia tonight. that will be an election-related fund-raiser, but obviously the most prominent democrat outside of the president, the speaker of the house, fairly likely he weighs in there on what he knows and expands on the statement from later today after speaking to speaker pelosi, guys. >> everybody at the white house has their thoughts and prayers with the speaker's husband. phil, thank you. president biden and vice president harris will team up in pennsylvania today for a rare joint appearance on the campaign trail. meanwhile our dana bash sat down with the second gentleman doug emhoff. here's a preview of that exclusive conversation. >> i think there are a lot of men who intellectually want to support their female partners and then when it gets to that point, it's hard. >> yeah. >> it's hard on your ego. you say you have a healthy ego. have there been moments like that? >> yeah. like i said, you have to put
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your ego aside and know it's not about you, and i will be -- i'll be giving speeches, and one of the things i say is men need to s support women. >> don't just think you're being supportive. don't just say you're being supportive. be supportive. >> one, it's the right thing to do, and then, men, okay. you feed to actually do it. don't just think you're doing it and the women in the audience start looking around and smiling. sometimes it's hard and sometimes it's not what you expect, but it's the right thing to do, and if i can set an example doing it, i'm very grateful for that. >> join dana tomorrow night for the second gentleman. it begins at 8:00 p.m. right here on cnn. well, a major texas newspaper is demanding that the state's top law enforcement chief resign. one family who lost their 9-year-old daughter in the uvalde massacre will join us up next to react. you can be the difference. capella university sees education differently.
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a church where a funeral was being held. police say one of the victims is currently in critical condition and at least some of them are believed to have been attending the funeral when the shooting happened. my god. police believe there was most likely more than one gunman involved. the victims have not been identified but at least one was taken to children's hospital in pittsburgh. well, there are growing calls today for the head of the texas department of public safety to resign following the botched response to the uvalde school shooting. in an editorial today, a major texas newspaper writes in the days since the massacre at robb elementary school, director steve mccraw has built a rock solid case for his resignation or firing. he falsely blamed a teacher for leaving a door open, shifted to school district chief and with each misstep added to uvalde's pain. at a hearing with victim as' families yesterday, he responded.
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>> the institution failed the families, the school, or failed the community of uvalde, then absolutely i need to go, but i can tell you this now. dps is an institution, okay? right now it did not fail the community. >> jesse rizzo was at yesterday's hearing. his niece, jackie casares was killed. you made the trip to austin to attend that hearing yesterday. what were you expecting to see and hear? >> i was expecting to hear a little more detail. i was expecting to hear that he was going to resign and take responsibility and accountability, but it's not what happened. >> what did you make of colonel mccraw saying that the dps as an institution has not failed? >> well, it's something that in hindsight you look at it, and, you know, kind of similar to
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what he did at the beginning, he shifted the focus and the blame entirely onto uvalde, and so when something like this in hindsight, you look back and it's exactly his technique. he focuses and rearranges his words and starts focusing on as an institution that there was no failure. ultimately it's his people that failed as the organization, the administration that he supervised that failed. so how he can deviate or deflect, it's irresponsible and unacceptable. >> jesse, i know your brother-in-law, jackie's father, ja javier, had said that he would have liked to see this investigation come to an end and see the actual result of that investigation in the findings and then have colonel mccraw resign. why do you disagree with that? why do you think he needs to resign now? >> i think, you know, it's a time for healing. i understand what javier, you know, and a lot of other folks
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mentioned, you know, that it's something he's leading the investigation and holding some of the people accountable, but at the same time, if you want to begin the healing process, you've got to -- you've got to step aside and let somebody else take over. >> something that really stood out to me was a really powerful and i would say painful moment i would have imagined for you as well. from state senator gutierrez who compared the shooting in the 77-minute response in uvalde to the recent school shooting in st. louis that had a 14-minute response time. now sadly two people died in that shooting, but we know 21 people died in uvalde. when you heard that inconsistency and reaction time, what was your reaction? >> well, it basically illustrates a picture of someone that takes responsibility from the get go, the training i would suppose is similar, but the most painful thing to me is when you hear those statements like that is that the children and the
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teachers could have been dying slowly, bleeding out, you know, wondering where their mom is at, dad is at, law enforcement is at, and slowly but surely, the kids are basically passing away, and that's what angers me and pains me. >> jesse, i see pictures there of your beautiful niece, jackie, 9 years old. i know you taught her how to two-step. she loved to sing. her favorite color was green. what more can you tell us about this beautiful girl? >> she was loving, caring, charismatic. she just had her communion a few weeks before this massacre, and all you could envision was basically at one point having her kinquinceanera when she was, and one day a wedding. there are multiple children that are like that. i wonder sometimes how she would feel about this whole situation knowing that she was carrying an
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understanding. i think she would be saddened by the frustration and anger, but i think based on just the way that she was that she would totally understand that there's things that need to take place and there's people that need to be held accountable and take responsibility. so, you know, i think about all that on a daily basis. >> 19 beautiful, young faces taken from the world so soon. i know jackie was described as lighting up a room, every room in the house. jesse, i'm so sorry for what your family and all those families are going through, and thank you so much for telling us a little bit more about your beautiful niece. >> thank you, ma'am. ahead, new updates involving the attack on paul pelosi, husband of the house speaker nancy pelosi. we are live with the latest, and just hours on the job, elon musk fires several executives at twitter, but that's going to cost him hundreds of millions of dollars.
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bringing it back to the breaking news out of san francisco, the brazen overnight assault on the husband of house speaker nancy pelosi. >> our special correspondent jamie gangel is back with this. you've learned some new information? >> reporter: so i've just been told from a source familiar that speaker nancy pelosi at this hour is en route to california, to san francisco, and that
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actually all five of their adult children are also on their way. also, i was told that the speaker actually was able to speak to her husband this morning after the attack before he went into surgery. we do have some very preliminary information about his condition. we're told that he went into surgery this morning, and that the surgery did involve injuries to the head, but we're really waiting for more details on the treatment. however, the family was assured this morning and speaker pelosi's office put out a statement that they believe paul pelosi will make a full recovery, but we really have to keep in mind how violent this attack was. we are told the assailant used a hammer and hit paul pelosi multiple times, that he tried to
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tie him up, and just to remind people we'd been wondering what the motive was. we do know that he tried to tie him up and that when he first came into the house, he said to paul pelosi, where's nancy? where's nancy? and that when the police arrived, he said, we're waiting for nancy. so there is certainly that connection here. >> jamie gangel with the reporting that speaker pelosi and all five of their children are currently en route to san francisco to visit paul pelosi. jamie gangel, thank you. well, he's only officially owned twitter for a day, but already elon musk is making major moves. the billionaire says he's creating a, quote, content moderation council. he also fired the ceo and at least two other executives. >> and just before midnight yesterday, musk tweeted, "the
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bird is freed." figure that one out. one of the big questions now is will donald trump and others -- will they be allowed back on the platform? c cnn's oliver darcy is with us. he's talked about free speech and created a council. what other changes is he making? >> there haven't been other changes yet other than the creation of this council, but i think we can expect them. he's indicated that he does want to allow people like donald trump to be back on the platform. you know, i think this comes at such an interesting time. we're talking about speech and how you curb misinformation and conspiracy theories and hate on social platforms. we're talking a lot about the attack on pelosi's husband. >> yeah. >> and this is a man who apparently was someone who trafficked in conspiracy theories and saw them and shared them on social media. this is a really real issue for these platforms. they don't want that stuff on there, and so the question is, how do you keep your platform clean while allowing people to
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freely express themselves? that's the million dollar question. it'll be interesting to see how elon musk tries to solve this here. >> yeah. i mean, facebook just said they just now took down the content that the suspect had put on there. thousands of people and all these companies do, but you can't keep up with all these posts. >> and elon musk has said he's a free speech absolutist. >> yeah. >> the question is, how do you clean the platform while also allowing, you know, free speech? >> we shall see. oliver darcy, thank you. >> thank you. rock 'n' roll legend jerry lee lewis has died. a look at his life and legacy next.
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jerry lee lewis, the singer who electrified early rock 'n' roll with hits like "great balls of fire" and "a whole lot of shaking going on" has died. >> he was 87. here's cnn's stephanie elam. >> now, let's go. ♪ shake, shake ♪ . >> reporter: jerry lee lewis, the wild rock 'n' roll piano man who lit up the stage in the 1950s with hits like "whole
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lotta shaking going on" had long hair, crazy moves, and an energy that just didn't quit. but that spirit would be tested many times during his roller-coaster life. born in louisiana in 1935, lewis started tickling the ivories at an early age. when he was 10 years old, his father mortgaged the family farm to buy the self-taught musician his first piano. after getting kicked out of school, lewis turned his full attention to music. he made his way to memphis in 1956 and landed a job with sun studios. while there, lewis rubbed elbows with elvis presley and johnny cash and recorded his first single. his big break came with the 1957 release of "whole lotta shake going on." later that year, lewis rocked the charts with another hit, "great balls of fire." ♪ goodness, gracious, great balls of fire ♪ >> his high-energy antics nicknamed him the killer. his personal life brought the
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rising star's career to a screeching halt when he married his 13-year-old cousin. >> jerry decided that i was going to marry him and she took a girl who was 22 years old to the courthouse and she posed as myra brown and signed the marriage license. >> reporter: the public outrage forced him to cancel tours and radio stations stopped playing his songs. he made a comeback in the 1960s as a country star with hits like "another place, another time." ♪ another place, another time ♪ . but tragedies followed. lewis' 3-year-old son drowned and a teenage son died in a car accident. the singer developed a drinking problem and suffered a bleeding ulcer that nearly killed him. another decade, another upswing. in the late '80s, lewis was inducted into the rock 'n' roll hall of fame and earned a hollywood star. >> i look forward to another 33 years in the business. >> reporter: he also gained
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renewed popularity from the biographical movie, "great balls of fire." jerry lee lewis kept entertaining audiences well into his golden years, just rocking his life away. >> my name is jerry lee lewis and i'm here to stay. next week, the 2022 top ten cnn heroes will be named. >> but right now, we want to check in on our 2021 hero of the year, shirley rains. >> shirley rains! >> as much as you want to live in the moment and say it doesn't really matter, let's be real. i wanted to bring that prize money, that win, and that recognition to the community. i really wanted them to have that platform. >> winner, winner, winner, winner! >> good morning, you guys. >> congratulations, shirley. >> congratulations to y'all! >> reporter: the world had an opportunity to vote for ten amazing organizations.
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and they chose one that dealt with homelessness, which i think to them might say, oh, my god, people really are paying attention. people really are looking. people really do care. i'm hoping that this win will bring more eyes down here. there's a massive need for blankets. there's a massive need for tents. i've always said this from the beginning, i don't do hero stuff. you know what i mean, i do human stuff. >> i know something about you. >> i know something about you, too. >> all the stuff that i've been through in my personal life, i think it's amazing to have gotten this far, because i came from -- oh, my god -- the bottom. and i was on the cnn heroes show, it should definitely give hope to other people. >> we needed some shirley today. what an amazing woman. to learn more about shirley and her organization, go to cnnheroes.com. and "the lead" starts after a smort break.
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