good monday morning, i'm erica hill. it is a very busy start to the week today, we are following a number of major stories this

hour. a violent assault the man accused of attacking house speaker nancy pelosi's husband expected to be charged with multiple felonies today. cnn has learned he had zip ties, duct tape and hammer during that attack. we are live in san francisco. plus, deadly crush, more than 150 people killed after being caught in a suffocating crowd at a halloween festival in seoul, south korea. what we are learning about the two americans who are among the dead. next hour the supreme court set to hear arguments in two cases that could upend how college admissions are decided by eliminating or restricting race-conscious programs. let's begin this hour with the latest on the have eggs into the violent a talk on paul pelosi. veronica miracle is in san francisco, melanie zanona is on capitol hill. veronica, the suspect set to be charged today, what more are we learning about what happened in those early hours at the pelosi residence? >> reporter: good morning, erica. the details that we're learning this morning are very

disturbing. we're told by the san francisco district attorney's office that the suspect david depape went upstairs into the bedroom where paul pelosi was sleeping before the attack, we understand that he tried to tie him up and was yelling where is nancy? that's according to sources close to the investigation. we're also told that he brought zip ties, duct tape and a hammer that was used in the attack. sources have told us that paul pelosi is expected to make a full recovery, but he is dealing with very serious injuries, recovering from a skull fracture, injuries to his arm and hands after being attacked by a hammer and in addition to that later today the suspect, david depape, is expected to be charged with multiple felonies. we understand that he is going to be facing attempted homicide, elder abuse, as well as assault with a deadly weapon and federal officials are in discussions of possibly charging depape with a

federal crime. we understand that is specifically related to the -- to -- excuse me -- the assault, kidnapping or murder of a family member of certain federal officials and that decision could come as early as this week according to a law enforcement source. now, we briefly saw speaker pelosi leave her house yesterday, she came out of her garage quickly, got into her motorcade and took off, but she has sent a letter to her colleagues in the house of representatives, just explaining how difficult this has been for her and for her family. erica? >> thank you, veronica. meantime, lawmakers as we know, melanie, have been calling for some time for increased security. this is really increasing some of those calls. what are they asking for? >> reporter: well, the concern right now is that the security protocols have just not kept up with the level of threats and the toxic political environment, and lawmakers are particularly vulnerable when they are back home or on the campaign trail as

opposed to here in the second ul capitol where there are police everywhere. of course, political violence is not new, there was a shooting in 2017 on a gop baseball practice, but the level of threats have spiked significantly since january 6 and the environment has certainly gotten uglier since then, but the capitol police department is dealing with really limited resources and it is just not realistic to give every single member a security detail, but congress did provide $10,000 for each office to secure their homes and the united states capitol police sent out an email over the weekend reminding lawmakers what resources are available to them, and that includes residential security assessments, coordinating with local law enforcement, security briefings and patrols of members' homes, but some lawmakers say that isn't enough. listen to democratic senator amy klobuchar. >> there has to be a different level of threat that allow members to get protection, maybe it's local police, maybe it's more funding for the marshals.

i have a bipartisan amendment that will allow members to take their private information off of the internet. there is a similar provision that has been put forth for judges and this is part of the national defense reauthorization act. so i'm very hopeful that finally i will be able to get the support to get this done. >> reporter: now, we did hear from a number of top republicans over the weekend condemning the attack, but some of them tried to portray it as a broader crime issue, while others refused to acknowledge the idea that some of their own political rhetoric or embrace of conspiracy theories have contributed to the toxic political environment that we are seeing, but one key republican name we haven't heard from, former president donald trump, he is yet to weigh in, but we did hear from his son don jr. who tweeted a crude and is a lashs tweet about the attack. >> thank you both. twitter's new boss elon musk

inserting himself into a story after giving credence to a fringe conspiracy theory about the violent attack. musk tweeting to an article full of baseless claims about pelosi and attack. he later deleted that post but not before it garnered thousands of retweets. oliver darcy following this angle for us. of course, this just adds to questions that people have about what will and won't be seen as acceptable on the new twitter under elon news i can. >> this is a disturbing conspiracy theory to begin with. one would think that if they were to have promoted it and realized that it wasn't true that they would be a little bit more remorseful. elon news i can deleted the tweet yesterday afternoon and hasn't really address it had outside of attacking "the new york times" for promoting t i will read you his tweet, he is dismissing this as a joke. he says, this is fake. i did not tweet out a link to the "new york times" when the "times" reported that he had linked to a site known to promote false news and conspiracy theories.

erica, i think larger -- more largely this really just points to now broken our information environment is where just a couple days after this brutal attack on the speaker's husband you have someone like elon news i can tweeting this conspiracy theory and it's not just him, it's being pushed by a lot of prominent right wing media personalities. frankly, though, someone like elon news i can who is in control of twitter and does play a key role in this information environment should be working to clean it up, not really contaminating it himself. >> but, again, it just comes back to even the statement that he put out last week talks about the hell scape, his hell scape may not be what other people see to be a hell scape, right? >> he's fostering the hell scape. >> i mean, when you're throwing flames like that, yes. right now families in seoul, south korea and around the world are in mourning. 154 people killed in a crowd surge during a halloween festival there. among the victims 36 foreign

nationals including two american studies, steve blessy's father said he was always an adventurer. also ann geske from northern kentucky, her dad called her a bright light and said she was loved by all. cnn's senior international correspondent ivan watson joining me live from seoul with more. a lot of questions about what happened and how it seems like this did get out of hand. what was the planning? what do we know about what happened? >> reporter: well, look, the korean authorities say that this was unprecedented, that they didn't have a manual or a guide book for how to handle crowds of this size that had come for a gathering that didn't have a single organizer behind it, like, say, a music concert or a sports event. instead in the alleys around the corner from where i'm standing you have bars and clubs

side-by-side and thousands and thousands of young people who gathered for a saturday night out in their halloween costumes, out to have some drinks and to have some fun and here is the end result of what spun out of control, a makeshift memorial to the mostly young 154-year-old victims of this deadly crowd surge. some of the people that i've spoken to, survivors, say that they were laughing at first at how they were stuck kind of cheek to jowl in the alleyway drinking and next to other people who were partying and then it started to get increasingly scary. take a listen to what this french exchange student told me. >> there were like so many people who were like pushing us and like we cannot breathe. i told for a moment at some point i had no air and we were so crushed to other people that i couldn't breathe at all so i

just passed out. >> unconscious? >> yeah, unconscious. >> did you know that people were dying near where you were standing? >> no. no. >> no. no. like we were just there and we were just trying to save our life. >> reporter: so those young women they say they barely survived and they're lucky to be alive right now. just to give you a sense of the location here from that little memorial by the entrance to the subway station, this is the alley over here, erica, where this more than 100 people died, this 154 people. there is a hill there, it's probably 12 feet wide at best and just the mass of humanity started falling on each other and there are videos of emergency workers trying to pull victims out from under the crowd, unable to because the mass -- the weight of the humanity on top of them and it led to this incredible loss of life. the youngest victims, five high

school students and one middle school student, most of the casualties all people in their 20s. it's just terrible, erica. >> yeah, it really is just horrific. ivan, appreciate the reporting. thank you. new this morning leftist candidate da silva elected the next president of brazil. a stunning come back in a tight runoff race. the incumbent president bolsonaro has yet to concede defeat which is raising concerns about the transition of power in latin america's largest country. paula newton is live in. what is the latest? >> reporter: it's been 12 hours since electoral officials declared lula the winner and the country has not seen its president. nothing. no speech, no phone calls, nothing. every one here is waiting to see whether or not bolsonaro will, in fact, concede.

others say that perhaps he is plotting how, in fact, to look at these results and say that they are fraudulent or in some way challenge them. in the meantime, right, you talked about it, that come back, this is a man, dee silva, 77 years old, he was previously for two terms brazil's president, he was in prison, erica, less than three years ago and now he becomes president of the country again. his declaration, brazil is back. he is vowing to have a completely different agenda here. he said himself it was a political resurrection, although he inherits now a very divided country. listen. >> translator: my friends from january 1st, 2023, i will govern for 215 million brazilians and not just for those that voted for me. there are not two bra zils. we are one country, one people, one great nation. >> reporter: bolsonaro's

supporters already disagreeing with him on that, some of them want to see this election contested, again, very tense in the coming hours here as we wait to see bolsonaro. we should say joe biden and the white house saying, look, these elections in their view were credible and fair, they congratulated lula and saying they are ready to work with him. >> paula newton, thank you. just minutes from now opening statements begin in the criminal tax fraud trial against the trump organization. we are live at the courthouse with details on the key witnesses there for the prosecution. plus, the big take a ways from georgia after the candidates for governor went after each other again on the economy, abortion and guns in their final debate. >> it is so terrible in georgia when it comes to the weakened gun laws in the state that we were the subject of an episode of fbi most wanted. >> ms. abrams is trying to scare you at home about the constitutional carry legislation that was simply to let you abide by your second amendment rights.

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preparing to hear oral arguments in cases that could have major implications on the future of affirmative action in higher education. the two separate cases will consider if harvard and the university of north carolina are violating student rights by using race as a factor in admissions. hanging in the balance the future of admissions policies for hundreds of schools, in addition to higher education opportunities for many black and hispanic students. cnn justice correspondent jessica schneider is live outside the supreme court this morning. the big question is what happens if the courts rule against these universities, reverse a nearly 50-year precedent. give us more on what they're actually arguing today. >> reporter: high stakes in this case, erica. if the justices upend nearly five decades of precedent that

would mean that affirmative action would be banned across the country and because of that all eyes and ears here will be on the conservative justices because it is largely expected that they will, in fact, upend that precedent and ban affirmative action, ban universities from considering race as one factor in the admissions decision. you know, chief justice john roberts has repeatedly been outspoken about the role that race plays in society and he's even said in previously cases that the way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race. so it is quite likely that he will not be the middle ground here as he previously has been in other cases including roe. he could likely side with the other five conservative justices if, in fact, they move forward to ban affirmative action. now, the court has upheld affirmative action since 1978 but for the past several years cases, two cases in particular against unc and harvard, they've been winding their way through the lower courts here. it's by a group called students

for fair admissions, they've largely been arguing that affirmative action discriminates against asian american and white students by favoring instead black and hispanic students. now, this group has actually lost repeatedly at the lower courts, but they have been able to bring this case up to the supreme court here. there are high stakes for this argument that begins at 10:00 a.m. there are two separate cases so the unc case will be heard first and then the harvard case will be heard, but for that case there will only be eight justices and that's because the newest justice ketanji brown jackson recused herself. it will be eight justices for that case. many of the universities there are actually nine states that do, in fact, ban affirmative action and the university of california and the university of michigan are in two of those states. they have argued to the court that, look, in the years that we have not been able to consider affirmative action, the racial diversity of our campuses have

been negatively impacted here. they're saying they need affirmative action. we will see how much of a count the court takes that into effect here, but big arguments today they should be rather lengthy all beginning at 10:00 a.m. erica? >> a lot of focus on this. jessica, appreciate it. just about ten minutes from now opening statements set to begin in the criminal tax fraud trial against the trump orgs. former president trump isn't a defendant in this new york case, he is not expected to be implicated in any wrongdoing. the outcome, though, could have an impact on his real estate business. the charges, nine counts of tax fraud, grand larceny and falsifying business records are the closest any prosecutor has actually gotten here. cnn's kara scannell is outside court here in manhattan. so what more are we expecting today, kara? >> reporter: good morning, erica. opening statements are about to get under way, first we will hear from the manhattan district attorney's office, the prosecutors on this case, they are expected to tell the jury that the trump organization had failed to report and pay payroll

taxes on certain compensation and benefits that they gave to top trump organization officials. one of those executives, the former chief financial officer allen weisselberg pleaded guilty, he is expected to testify in this case for the prosecution and he is going to tell the jury that he received cars, he received an apartment in manhattan and he received private school tuition for his grandchildren that he never paid taxes on. now, next up will be the defense and there are two trump entities that are indicted in this case, so that means there will be two opening statements, two efforts for them to tell their story to the jury. we expect that they are going to say that weisselberg was a rogue employee who made these deals and arrangements in order to enrich himself but not to benefit the trump organization. after that the prosecution will call their first witness, we're expecting that to be a current member of the trump organization, the current controller jeffrey mcconney. he testified under an immunity deal with the manhattan district attorney's office, but they say that he is a co-conspirator in this alleged scheme, he will provide some insight of company

details and information to walk the jury through this. the judge has told the jury to expect that this trial will last six weeks, it will be heard by eight men and four women. >> kara scannell, thank you. we are also following new developments this morning in the january 6th investigation. the house select committee has obtained eight emails from 2020 which detail what one judge determined is a plan by former president trump and his lawyers to defraud the courts and to obstruct congress' vote on the presidency. cnn's paula reid joining us with these developments. what more is in these emails? >> good morning, erica. the committee has been fighting for months to get these emails because they believe they can help prove that former president trump knew his claims of voter fraud were false, even as he touted those numbers in public and as his lawyers were touting them in court. now, these documents from late 2020 were handed over to lawmakers on friday after a federal judge ordered them to be released and they include four communications between trump attorneys that appear to show

that they knew the details they submitted to courts in their challenges to the elections were false. now, the other four emails show lawyers discussing filing lawsuits as a strategy to hold off the congressional certification of trump's loss. now, one email, even lays out the concerns that lawyers had about submitting a declaration signed by trump personally affirming the election fraud allegations that it presented to the court were true, even after the former president had been made aware that some of those allegations were indeed not true. now, the judge in this case, as you noted, has suggested that these emails could be evidence of a conspiracy to defraud the united states which is why they're being released. the judge said that these materials fit what is called the crime fraud exception, which allow the disclosure of ot otherwise privileged materials if the communications were related to the furtherance of a crime. eastman is appealing, he wants a federal appeals court to tell the house to return or destroy

these eight emails. now the ninth circuit is moving fast on that long shot request, but, again, these emails are already now, erica, in the possession of the house select committee. >> paula reid, appreciate the update. still to come here, anti-semitic messages projected on buildings across jacksonville, florida. how did that happen? the jewish community concerned now. silence from some officials is what actually is resonating the loudest. we are there for you live next.

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with eight days to go until election day, more than 20 million people have actually already cast early ballots. the state of georgia on pace to break a midterm early voting record, already more than 1.6 million people, all this coming of course as the candidates for governor incumbent republican brian kemp, democrat stacey abrams are still hoping to get more votes. they held their final debate last night. eva mckend is in georgia live for us this morning. boy, is there a lot of attention on georgia, as you know, this election cycle. any new revelations in the debate last night? >> reporter: well, erica, that is absolutely right, lots of attention on georgia. georgia often referred to as the center of the political universe and it is due in part to this highly anticipated rematch between governor kemp and stacey abrams. what last night's debate really

underscored is that they couldn't be more different on policy matters, whether it is economic issues or abortion. >> thankfully in georgia because we were open even when ms. abrams didn't want us to be, our economy has been incredibly resilient. >> under this governor we've lost $150 million in investment, music midtown pulled out, we lost the mlb game, we know that the entertainment industry is thinking about leaving georgia because of the abortion ban that is driving women away. he refuses to protect us. he refuses to defend us and yet he defended herschel walker, saying that he didn't want to be involved in the personal life of his running mate, but he doesn't mind being involved in the personal lives and the personal medical choices of women in georgia. >> we are a state that values life, i understand people disagree on when that issue may be comfortable for them or not, and it's not my desire to go move the needle any further on this issue.

>> reporter: now, another notable moment came when abrams voiced her concern with the potential for women to be investigated after suffering miscarriages under georgia's abortion law. kemp then revealed that his own wife had suffered a miscarriage years ago. it's hard to know how much this debate changes things, it did highlight really a stark contrast and policy differences, but, erica, so many people in this state have voted already, more than a million during this early vote period. >> eva mckend live in atlanta, thank you. officials in jacksonville, florida, are now condemning anti-semitic messages seen in public spaces across the city over the weekend. one of those messages scrolled on the outside of tiaa bank field, you see it there, this was during the georgia/florida college football game on saturday, referencing anti-semitic comments made by kanye west. the universities of florida and georgia issued a joint statement

condemning the message as well as others seen on an overpass in a public building. cnn's leyla santiago is covering the developments for us. in terms of an investigation into the incidents what do we know and how are people reacting in jacksonville? >> reporter: you know, erica, in terms of the investigation much of that remains unclear, we are still waiting to hear back from local law enforcement on that, but what is clear when you talk to local leaders, we spoke to the leader of the local jewish federation, she called this unnerving and many folks here saying at the center of this is pure hate. so let's talk about what happened. outside of the stadium where i am right now over the weekend during the florida/georgia game scrolling on the outside read kanye is right about the jews referencing the artist formerly known as kanye west and his anti-semitic comets there. it wasn't just that, we also saw over the weekend displays of anti-semitism over an overpass here in jacksonville.

the mayor calling them cowards and coward messages, as folks are condemning this quickly. so here is what else the local jewish federation said. >> we're now at the point of like we're not stunned or shocked anymore, we're angry and we're taking that emotion of anger and sadness and somewhat fear and we're harnessing it to actually do something. >> reporter: and adl, i spoke with them as well, they told us that in their last audit they had 2,700 anti-semitic incidents reported last year, that's a 34% increase from the previous year and this year they're seeing more extreme -- extremist groups that are really hoping to stir up fear and anxiety among these communities, erica. >> leyla santiago, appreciate the new reporting there. thank you. still to come here overnight a wave of russian missiles launched at critical facilities for water and power in ukraine.

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apartments. cnn's nic robertson joining us live from kyiv. as i understand it you are in an area where one of the lines there -- you are at a line where people are trying to get water, the mayor has also said some 80% of the city's population doesn't have water supply right now because of the attacks. what more can you tell us about just how significant that damage is? >> reporter: yeah, the mayor says he hopes to get the supplies up and running, part of the city the water is coming back on, but here you have a line of people, this water spigot they are lining up for here is one of dozens around the city. so this is how people are going to be getting their water in the coming days until the city officials can get the water supplies back up and running. people i have been talking to here tell me they are okay with this, obviously they don't like t but they're okay with it, it's not going to make them leave the city. they're going to stay here. they expected the situation to get worse. russia has been hitting the

power generating facilities across this country now for about three weeks and it's reduced the capacity of the power grid to really keep a lot of the main functions in big cities like kyiv up and running. that meeting today with strikes today they have been able to take out so much of the water capacity in the city. also across the city the cellular network normally a good 4g signal now reduced to a poor 3g signal. the impacts are beginning to be felt more widely. the government saying today ten different regions were affected by strikes, 18 different strikes, a hydropower plant north of kyiv was impacted today as well as the biggest hydro electric power plant in the center of ukraine that was also hit. the key part of russia's efforts here is to just -- is to stop the electrical generating facilities in the country, stop

the grid working. >> it is something especially when you see those pictures and those numbers, people lining up for that water and their resolve. appreciate it. thank you. joining me to discuss further andrea kendall taylor. good to see you this morning. when we look at what happened today, when we look at this pressure that russia and vladimir putin are trying to put on ukrainians by specifically targeting infrastructure, not just electricity, but water, what does this tell you about putin's plan moving forward? could he be moving further west ultimately to target some of those infrastructure -- some of the infrastructure there as well? >> well, i think, i mean, as you're covering the attacks are horrific and we should not grow to -- grow immune to them, but they shouldn't be surprising, and i think the way that we understand these attacks is that as vladimir putin is unable to accomplish his objectives on the

battlefield, he will continue to terrorize ukrainian cities, he will continue to terrorize ukrainians to try to get them to make concessions and end the war on russia's terms. but you covered an interesting point, erica, you noted that ukraine shot down 44 out of the 50 missiles that russia launched and it just underscores how critical the air defenses are that the west continues to provide ukraine and that will be key to preventing putin from moving west with those attacks. >> there's not just the infrastructure that we're following, right, as those attacks continue, but also the fact that russia is now pulling out of this grain deal. earlier today the kremlin called t quote, risky and dangerous. what do you see as the path forward here? is this just another way that, you know, that putin is essentially trying to hold ukraine hostage? and potentially europe? >> exactly. i think -- yeah, exactly. both of these represent forms of

escalation. so, again, as he can't accomplish on the battlefield, he's looking for any options, he's leveraging any remaining influence -- or, i'm sorry, he's weaponizing any remaining leverage that he has. and i think that attacks on the civilian centers and his suspension of the grain deal are related. as the lights go out and it gets colder, we're likely to see an influx of ukrainian migrants into europe. i also think that putin is calculating with an increase in prices, more food insecurity, potentially instability in the south and the middle east, that that, too, could push another wave of migrants up into europe to the south. so those two things could very well converged and put tremendous pressure on european governments. so i think it's europe that he has in his cross hairs and he's trying to make their support for ukraine as costly as possible to get them to stop their support

because this is a critical juncture for putin. he needs to make it through this winter without losing additional territory so he is weaponizing everything he's got. >> there's so much talk about how difficult this winter is going to be in ukraine, for obvious reasons we just discussed, also in europe as we know, we see the prices, we know what's happening there, we know what the stressors are at that point, but the reality is there has been reporting from the beginning of the war about how low morale was among russian troops, now all of this added reporting about how ill prepared they are. the impact of this upcoming winter, i mean, that could also lead to even further dis consent among these troops, these russian troops. >> i entirely agree and i think the key flash point is going to be the battle over kherson. we know that ukraine continues to make progress there and a lot of those russian fighters have been there for a very long time and we know that their supply lines have been significantly disrupted. so it's going to make it very hard for moscow to get winter

gear into the soldiers there. so that low morale, i think, make it increasingly likely that ukraine will have success in the coming weeks or a couple of months in that area. but the one thing to note is i think there's a lot of optimism in the west about how well ukraine is doing, but even with low morale i think it's still unlikely that russian forces will entirely collapse. so it is critical that we continue to prepare and plan for a sustained war. >> andrea kendall taylor, thank you. still to come here, the mississippi river's slow rebound from record low levels is forcing the shipping industry to recalculate. how that drought is also impacting the supply chain next. if you used shipgo this wholele thing woululdn't be a thing. yeah, dad! i don't want to deal with this. oh, , you brought your luggage to the airport.

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the growing drought in the central east is having a serious impact on the mississippi river. that is forcing shipping companies that transport on the mississippi to recalculate how much they're sending down river. joining me now, austin goldin from vicksburg, mississippi. this is something i have to admit, i never really thought about it. i haven't thought about how important the mississippi river is in this country when it comes to transporting goods. so you deal mostly with petroleum. you can plan a little bit for a drought. but given what we've seen and how long it's lasted, what is the impact on what you can transport and also those charges down the line? >> well thanks for having me.

the first thing that we've done is lighten the load on all of our barges. so they don't draft as deep in the water. when the water becomes shallow, you have to reduce the size. and so when you reduce the draft and the number of barges, you scale back on the efficiences that your industry offers that makes our industry less competitive. it is very tough to get by during times like this. >> it is astounding to ship things on the mississippi versus using rail or even the roads. and i know you ship mainly petroleum, but i'm sure you're talking to other folks involved in shipping here. when we look, i believe it is 92% of agriculture exports depend on the mississippi. this is a major highway in the united states. what are you hearing from other shippers? >> well, a lot of folks are

having a lot of trouble moving grain like you said. and aggregate. literally removing thousands of 18-wheelers worth of cargo, hundreds of rail cars worth of cargo with two diesel engines and half a dozen men in one boat. and it is very, very cost effective. it is very, very green. it has very, very little environmental impact. so when you move that cargo on to more expensive carbon based modes of transportation that are more expensive, nobody wins. so we need to keep that cargo on barges but we need water to maximize our efficiencies to do so. >> and without a magic wand or a direct line to mother nature. we know you really need rain. so as i said, i've read you could plan about a month out and see what is going to happen. you have a sense of how you may need to adjust things. when we are looking at something going on for a while now, this

long-term prospect for you, how do you plan for that? >> well we let our customers know first and then we look to shape our policy and then we look forward. and some barges could take ten, 20, 30 days and we do have some precipitation and we've kept the channel open. we've not ceased operations yet. we have not ceased. we do see some rain in the forecast that will give us some reef relief coming. >> is there any government regulation or anyone else or anything else that you believe could step in here to ease the pain. >> we need more dredging. the dredging we have worked. it has been put to the test this year. we've seen it work and been able to maintain a channel. we need more funding and incentive for more dredges to keep this channel viable because

it gives us a major advantage to have this super-highway running through our heart. >> you talked to the folks you work with. there is always a concern, if there are increases as we know all too well from the supply chain issues that give us all a rell education over the last couple of years. if you can't move as much product, but you still have to -- the same costs even if you're moving less product and that gets passed on to the consumer. how much is that a consideration at this point. >> i think it is a big consideration in the export world. when you have the amount of soybeans, the amount of grain that is exported, those prices see an impact on a discount or by scale of efficiencies being limb litted by the mode of transport. so they're seeing a big hit. on the refinery piece, my customers, they're seeing deliveries be delayed or limited

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