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crime to catastrophe to consequential court arguments. a source tells cnn the man accused of beating the husband of house speaker nancy pelosi has zip ties and duct tape when he broke into their home. formal charges are expected soon. south korea is in mourning after more than 150 people were killed in a rush of revelers out for halloween. and affirmative action is on the line in the u.s. with two cases going before the supreme court today. we begin this hour on the latest in the attack on paul pelosi. cnn's veronica miracle is in san francisco and evan perez joins us from the justice department. evan, you're hearing federal charges could be announced today. what charges are expected? >> reporter: well, bianna and victor, we do anticipate that the u.s. attorney for san francisco is going to file charges as soon as this afternoon. it could come at any time. they've been looking at a couple of different charges. one of them obviously is the attack, the assault and threats against a family member of a

lawmaker, of a federal official in this case. and second charge that they -- prosecutors have been looking into is an attempted kidnapping charge. again, those are what we understand are josh campbell is reporting that -- this hour. this is obviously something that is moving very, very quickly for the feds after they conducted an interview over the weekend with paul pelosi. he was able to be recovered enough that he was able to do an interview with the fbi and with the local investigators. the local prosecutors, by the way, are also working on separate charges, state charges. we could hear from them in the coming hours as well. but from the federal perspective, obviously this is a crime that the investigators, at least from the get-go, said clearly seemed targeted. they went to the home -- the assailant went to the home of nancy pelosi and as you have heard again from that reporting

about the zip ties and duct tape, he had some intent, thought he was going to meet her there. obviously she was not there. she was here in washington, and that's the reason why he was able to get in and was able to really just confront paul pelosi. >> let's go to veronica now in the san francisco area. bring us up to date on first pelosi's condition but also these new details about what happened that night. >> reporter: well, victor, a lot of developments that we've been learning in the last hour. the san francisco police chief bill scott was just on cnn saying that they are working around the clock to get evidence to the san francisco district attorney's office. they also say -- he also says, rather, they have interviewed the suspect david depape and they have also spoken with paul pelosi. now, another aspect of this investigation that they are dealing with right now is pushing back on what he says are conspiracy theories. here is what he had to say. >> absolutely no evidence that

mr. pelosi knew this man. matter of fact, the evidence indicates the exact opposite. and again, you know, this is -- it really is sad that these theories are being floated out there, baseless, factless theories that are being floated out there. they're damaging. they're damaging to the people involved. they're damaging to this investigation. >> reporter: victor and bianna, the details we're learning about this investigation also very disturbing. the san francisco district attorney's office telling us that the suspect, david depape went up stairs into the bedroom where paul pelosi was sleeping. sources tell us the suspect tried to tie pelosi up and was shouting where is nancy? we also understand that he was prepared with zip ties, duct tape and brought the hammer that was used in this attack. we've spoken with the san francisco sheriff's department today. they say that david depape is in their custody and he is in the hospital still. and we also understand that pelosi, himself, is still in the

hospital recovering from very serious injuries, including a skull fracture and injuries to his arm and his hands. victor, bianna? >> veronica miracle and evan perez, thank you very much. the chief of san francisco police made a plea for all people, no matter their politics, to fight back and debunk conspiracy theories. he says that no one deserves to be victimized for just doing their job. >> what does it take? does it take somebody being murdered? does it take -- what does it take for us to finally stand up and say, this is enough. it needs to stop. >> let's turn now to democratic congressman ro khanna who's district is in the san francisco area and also the deputy whip of the congressional caucus. congressman, welcome back. i'll ask about capitol police later, but do you know if local authorities, or do you believe that they should take a different posture around the pelosi's home when the speaker is not there considering what

happened on friday? >> first, victor, i'm just sickened and disgusted by what happened. i've been in the pelosi's homes many times. they have opened it up to their community so often. it's just heart breaking that they're going through this. and, yes, i assumed that there was 24/7 security around the speaker of the house's residence. that should be the default going forward. i'm frankly surprised there wasn't that security. >> so, beyond the speaker, beyond house and senate leadership, we know that capitol police resources are strained right now and have really been for some time. but for those members who are not in leadership, for their families that are facing threats, we heard from congressman kinzinger on the january 6th committee, that his family was threatened. he went to capitol police essentially they told him to get in line if he wanted protection for his family. what should be approach to members beyond leadership back in district for security for those families? >> well, first of all, there

needs to be an assessment of security for all members and their families and the capitol police needs to continue to do that. but second, and beyond that, for specific members or family members who have specific threats, they need to have protection. and just like i am for funding police around this country, i think we should be funding the capitol police. that is necessary to safeguard our democracy. no one should fear running for political office or serving because they're going to have a violent risk to themselves or their families. >> i want you to listen to the chair of the national republican senatorial committee, this is senator rick scott. he was on "state of the union" yesterday with dana bash and dana played a segment of a sound bite from president biden which he called people to condemn the conspiracy theories about a stolen election. she then asked the senator what he thought about that, if he agreed.

here is what he said. >> we can have a heated conversation about the issues, but this violence has got to stop. this is horrible. and my heart goes out to paul pelosi and i hope he has a full recovery. >> is it important for people from the top of your party, the former president on down, to tone down the rhetoric about the conspiracies that might insta gate somebody who is unhinged like the man who went into the pelosi home? >> dana, i think what's important is everybody do everything we can to make these elections fair. >> didn't answer the question there. what do you think about what you heard from the senator? >> it's sad that he dodged such a simple question. the reality is this was an individual who was radicalized. he was radicalized to commit an act of political violence. and we have to ask why was he radicalized? why are we in american democracy feeding these outlandish conspiracy theories?

why are they festering on social media? we all need to take accountability, the social media companies, the role of some of media and and certainly elected officials and people in the republican party who have been fueling some of these conspiracies. that doesn't seem like that high a bar. and i hope that an incident like that would trigger that kind of reflection. >> well, let's talk about one of those social media companies. over the weekend in response to something that secretary hillary clinton tweeted, elon musk tweeted a link to some baseless report about -- here it is -- about relationship potentially or something about paul pelosi. he later deleted it, but what does this episode tell us about how he likely intends to manage this platform? what do you take away from this episode? >> well, i hope what elon musk will do is create an independent governing structure for twitter.

i agree we need to remove the many bots on twitter that actually is a problem in the conversation. but beyond that, just like cnn doesn't have corporate owners making decisions of who can come on your news program and just like "the washington post" isn't run by jeff bezos, we need to make sure that twitter isn't run by the corporate owner but has independent governance boards and principles. >> congressman ro khanna, thank you. authorities in south korea say there were no guidelines for dealing with crowd surge at saturday's deadly halloween festival in seoul and no clear organizer for the event. at least 155 people died after getting crushed in crowds of people there at the parties who had crammed into narrow alley ways. >> so horrific. so many of them are young victims. and among them are two americans, steven blesi was a college student from georgia. his father tells cnn he was studying international business.

anne gieske a university of kentucky nursing student who was studying abroad. cnn international correspondent will ripley live from seoul. will, you've been covering this all weekend. i know you've been speaking to witnesses. are you learning anything more about what caused this rush of panic? >> reporter: there are a lot of factors that came into play here that created the worst possible outcome on saturday. so we are standing just across the street, which has just reopened from that alley, that narrow alley back there which was packed with thousands of people. in fact, the people were streaming out into these streets as well. they were packed together so closely they really couldn't even move. traffic was at a standstill which made it really difficult for rescuers and paramedics to arrive. as you see here, this young man actually came -- his sister is one of those who was killed. he was sitting by the memorial and he just actually fainted and is being helped away by his friends. he was sitting over there by a

makeshift memorial which continues to grow just across -- from that subway station there. and he was sitting and just saying over and over again, i told you not to go. i told you not to go. talking about his younger sister. in fact, in terms of the victims, more than two thirds of them were women, young women, who were in their halloween costumes, packed into that tight alley way right there when the crowd apparently frustrated, some people at least, because it wasn't moving fast enough, people started chanting push, push, push. so the people who were in the front got pushed forward and they tripped and they fell because the alcohol that had spilled from people's drinks made the sidewalks very slippery. you're looking at kind of a slight hill just beyond there. so people fell and they started piling up on top of each other. paramedics told us that when they first arrived essentially they saw only people's faces about ten people high. they pulled people out who

seemed to be in the worst condition, people who couldn't speak but in their eyes they were still conscious and desperate to get out of that terrifying situation. but by the time they pulled them out and laid them down literally on the sidewalks here, the sidewalks were essentially rows and rows of people, friends, complete strangers jumping in, frantically trying to give cpr. and it didn't work. most of the people ended up just losing their lives, losing consciousness and never regaining it right on the sidewalks. so, you now have a lot of police out here. but why weren't police in place that night? why wasn't there a contingency plan for crowd control for an event without a clear organizer? that was a shocking admission from the director of emergency management today. police officers who have an office just down the block there were getting reports that the crowd was out of control but they didn't really do much of anything because they couldn't. it was so loud that their commands weren't even heard by the people who were packed in that alley. and people thought that they were also in halloween costumes. no barricades, no clear plan and

as a result an incredibly horrible outcome with 155 people, mostly young people, killed. >> it's awful to think that all of this could have been prevented and this young man that you've introduced us to, his sister who died there. and you said he just came there and said i told you not to go. will ripley with the reporting there from seoul. thank you so much. >> thanks, will. well, new video shows the moment a suspension bridge collapsed in western india. we want to warn you it d disturbing. you can see the bridge swaying just before the cables snap. at least 134 people died, including dozens of children. >> police say nine people have been arrested in connection with the collapse, all associated with a company that did maintenance on this 150-year-old bridge. officials say it had just reopened to the public last week and many of the victims had been celebrating a holiday festival when that tragedy happened. turning back to the u.s.,

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well, hard to believe just eight days until the midterm elections, and more than 21 million people have already cast early ballots across the u.s. >> some republicans are growing more optimistic about the chances of racking a big wins in the house and senate races. senator rick scott, who chairs the senate republican's campaign arm, was very confident about

the gop's chances when he spoke on cnn's "state of the union". >> we're going to get 52 plus. herschel walker will win in georgia. we'll keep all 21 of ours. this is our year. the democrats can't run on anything they've done. people don't like what they've done. they don't like high inflation. they don't like gas prices, food prices up. they don't like -- the public doesn't like an open border. they don't like high crime. that's what the democrats are known for. >> cnn's jeff zeleny is with us now. jeff, what's behind this wave of optimism for the gop? >> reporter: well, victor, bianna, part of it is this campaign is closing as it was really beginning with economy and inflation still a chief concern for democrats. and these head winds that are facing the president and democratic candidates in his party are very real. republicans would not have imaged encroaching so much into this blue democratic territory we're seeing competitive races in california for the house. connecticut, new york, other states across the country. so in the house, we should keep

in mind there was only a five-seat majority that democrats had. there was a wave of retirements that senior members retired. it was always going to be a challenge for democrats to maintain their house majority. eight days remaining, republicans feel very confident about winning the house. the key is the senate, though. the race is for senate in every one of these battleground states are so competitive and so close, but again those head winds that democrats are facing on the economy, on inflation, on the president's approval rating that certainly is a challenge for all of of course, we've talked a lot about pennsylvania. it is one the most important races in the country because there is a retirement of a republican senator, a pat toomey. there's an open race between john fetterman as we know and mehmet oz. next weekend a ton of activity there with former president obama, trump and president biden all campaigning. but our don lemon had a sit down earlier today with john fetterman and he had this to stay about the attack on paul pelosi. let's listen. >> let me start with the

aftermath of the violent attack on the house speaker's husband at their home. what did the attack and subsequent conspiracy theories say about the state of our politics right now. >> yeah. i just -- of course, i was appalled by that and kind of vitriol out there in the political conversation out in america now is astonishing. it's unconscionable. >> elon musk pushing conspiracy theories about paul pelosi and the attack on him, what is your message to him as he takes over this giant megaphone that is twitter? >> no. i just am really just about just saying that i just want to make sure that we use your enormous power to make sure that we don't have the kind of platform where we push those kinds of theories. and i'm just grateful for the

opportunity to just say that, you know, given that we have this opportunity, just using the platform to really be about a force of good. >> so just getting a bit of a glimpse of that interview with john fetterman and don lemon will air tomorrow on cnn this morning, the debut show. look, this is one of the most closely-watched races in the country. and clearly john fetterman there trying to still make the case that he is recovered from that stroke he had earlier this year. and is in good fighting form with his race with mehmet oz. the final eight days of this campaign, there's no doubt the focus for the fight of control of the senate is so important with races in nevada, arizona, of course, georgia, pennsylvania and several others as well. so that is how this midterm election race is at least drawing to a close. >> we know democrats are growing increasingly nervous about what happens in pennsylvania.

jeff zeleny, thank you. >> sure. >> be sure to watch all of don's interview with don fetterman tomorrow. the first broadcast of "cnn this morning" starting at 6:00 a.m. eastern. we're just getting this in, former president trump is weighing in on the attack on paul pelosi. he calls the attack terrible. this is an interview that he did with americano media, spanish language outlet. and he says here that it's a terrible thing. a terrible thing. with all of them it's a terrible thing. look at what's happened with san francisco generally. look at what happened in chicago, it's far worse than afghanistan, last weekend was brutal. it was like a war zone. so what we're hearing here from the former president is not speaking specifically about the attack. not condemning the language. not condemning the conspiracy theories that we saw on this man depape's social media which at this point who expects that from

former president trump, but to make a point about crime generally in this interview his first remarks about the attack on the speaker's husband. >> yeah. this is after we heard from the san francisco police chief without revealing too much detail about the investigation, clearly made a link, political link, from this attack and rhetoric that he's posted on his social media site. the president choosing to focus on crime in general. and that's the tactic that many other republicans, while condemning the attack itself, have been lobbing towards democrats saying their policies have led to lax response to crime and increase in crime in this country. >> we'll see if he has more to say or if there's some reaction to the framing from the former president. >> yeah. well, early voter turnout continues to set midterm records in georgia. so far more than 1.6 million people have already cast their ballots there. >> last night republican governor brian kemp and democratic challenger stacey abrams faced off their n their second debate, the last one of the cycle. they clashed on abortion rights, economy, crime. for more on the high-stakes

showdown there, let's bring in cnn's eva to tell us more about that debate. >> reporter: well, victor, georgia is often described as the center of the political universe. and this highly-anticipated rematch between governor kemp, stacey abrams from 2018 is in part why. last night's debate really underscored the stark policy differences between the two on a number of issues. whether it be public safety, abortion, or their desperate economic visions for the state. take a listen. >> thankfully in georgia because we were open even when ms. abrams didn't want ups to be, our economy has been incredibly resilient. >> under this governor we lost $150 million in investment. music mid town pulled out. we lost mlb game. we know that the entertainment industry is thinking about leaving georgia because of the abortion ban that is driving women away. he refuses to protect us. he refuses to defend us. and yet he defended herschel

walker, saying that he didn't want to be involved in the personal life of his running mate but doesn't mind being involved in the personal lives and personal medical choices of women in georgia. >> we are a state that values life. i understand people disagree on when that issue may be comfortable for them or not. it's not my desire to go move the needle any further on this issue. >> reporter: another notable moment came when abrams raised concerns about women, potentially being investigated after suffering a miscarriage due to georgia's abortion law. it was at that moment that governor kemp raised that years ago his own wife had a miscarriage. it is unclear how much this moves the needle. this was a substantive policy debate where you really saw these dramatic differences at play, but so many people have already voted in this state, victor. over a million have voted

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♪ right now the supreme court is hearing arguments as it decides the fate of affirmative action. challengers in two cases say such policies violate equal protection principles by using race as a factor in college admissions. >> they center around the university of north carolina and harvard. both schools say banning affirmative action would have a negative impact on diversity at their campuses. >> jessica schneider is following this. are we hearing anything in these opening arguments to give us a sense of how the justices are leaning here? >> reporter: we are. we're seeing this really clear clash between the six conservative justices and the three liberal justices. on the liberal side of things the newest justice ketanji brown jackson has really been leading the questioning here, asking why colleges shouldn't be able to continue considering race when it comes to admissions?

and also saying that race for many students is core to their own identity, but on the other side, conservatives here, many court watchers believe are leaning toward potentially banning affirmative action. even though it's been a court precedent since 1978. we've seen in the questioning from these justices they've been asking why can't other race neutral factors really be the core of admission decisions at universities around the country? we saw this line of questioning most clearly from the chief justice john roberts. he asked why schools needed this race element in their admissions policies? and then he asked really when is enough enough? when would affirmative action be complete when colleges might achieve their diversity goal? so here was his line of questioning. >> i don't see how you can say that the program will ever end? your position is that race matters because it's necessary for diversity, which is necessary for the sort of education you want. it's not going to stop mattering

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. elon musk is giving credence to a fringe conspiracy theory about the violent attack on paul pelosi. he tweeted an article full of baseless claims about pelosi and the attack. musk later deleted it but not before it racked up thousands of likes and retweets. oliver darcy joins us now. so how is twitter planning to address their new boss and some of his instinctive motives? >> twitter is not commenting. no surprise there. they've been dark since elon completed his purchase of the company last week, but he is addressing this. first he deleted this conspiracy tweet and then he decided to address this basically by laughing it off. he attacked "the new york times" in a tweet basically saying i think we have it on screen. basically saying i never tweeted fake news because i've never linked to "the new york times." not the most mature response.

it was a sick burn from elon on "the new york times." but that's how they're addressing it. and he hasn't commented on it further since then. >> so there is this concern seriously here that twitter will be this place now where there will be -- it will become the cesspool he said he doesn't want it to become. what are the larger concerns about the platform? >> elon said in a letter to advertisers last week that he doesn't want twitter becoming a hell scape, right? but you saw right after he completed his purchase of twitter, people felt emboldened to come out and to basically violate the twitter rules. so there was this surge in hate speech that occurred over the weekend. a twitter executive tweeted there were 50,000 tweets coming from 300 accounts using vulgar speech and he basically said that we are still enforcing the current twitter rules. elon musk came out also and said there haven't been any changes to the twitter rules yet and that he backed the current rules.

so we'll see if they can tamp this down, but obviously a big problem. and it will be interesting to see when they do change the rules, because seems that's going to happen, how they rein in this kind of hate speech on the platform. >> and we'll see what regulations may look like here in the u.s. we know the regulators in europe have already responded to his tweet saying the bird is free and the bird has to follow our rules. >> so we'll see if that also impacts on the u.s. because are there going to be different rules for europeans who use twitter versus americans? it's a very complicated issue. it's a global company, people forget about that. they are bound by other countries who have more strict rules than here in the u.s. >> all right. oliver darcy, thank you. >> thank you. well, just in time for halloween, the power ball jackpot, you see this, victor, growing to $1 billion. >> what's that got to do with halloween? >> i don't know. make somebody happy on halloween night if they win. more on that ahead. ♪ ♪follow the yellow brick road♪ ♪

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we're following breaking news out of san francisco. federal charges against a suspect who was accused of tacking paul pelosi have just been filed. >> cnn senior justice correspondent evan perez is back with us. also with us former deputy assistant attorney general harry lintman and ed davis police commissioner of boston. evan, what do you know about the charges? >> this is now two federal charges that have been filed against david depape. he is charged with one count of assaulting family member of a u.s. official and attempted kidnapping of a u.s. government official. of course, that kidnapping is reference to nancy pelosi, the speaker of the house of representatives, who was not there during the attack. but this -- these charges come with an affidavit from the fbi

that really describes chilling detail of what went down on friday morning about just before 2:30 in the morning, which is when this 911 call came in with an intruder in the home of nancy and paul pelosi. it describes the assailant coming into the bedroom where he was sleeping and then proceeds to say that he was looking for nancy. looking for nancy pelosi. it turns out, according to police who spoke to him afterwards in a mirandaized interview, he said he was looking for nancy pelosi because she was the leader of the pack of lies of the democratic party. that's according to this affidavit in this -- that has now been released by the justice department. again, we're looking at two federal charges, one of them an attempted kidnapping of the speaker of the house of representatives, nancy pelosi. second is the assault on her husband, paul pelosi. he is still recovering but he

did provide key interviews to the investigators, first in the ambulance when he was being taken to the hospital, and then subsequently this weekend where he described more fully everything that went down. also add real quick, victor and bianna, another detail here is an important witness that emerged. this is a security guard that was sitting nearby guarding their apparently working at a property near the pelosi home in san francisco. and he described seeing someone wearing all black, walking with a bag. it turns out it appears or at least according to the investigators that appears to have been the assailant before he entered the pelosi home. again, chilling details in this affidavit that has been released as far as first two federal charges now been brought against david depape. bianna, victor? >> a lot more detail here. harry litman, let me get you weigh in on the charges but the

information we have just learned here and that is in addition to the hammer and what we had known about the zip ties earlier this weekend, law enforcement searched depape's backpack and they found a roll of tape, white rope, another the information. and that is in addition to the hammer and what we had known about the zip ties earlier this weekend, law enforcement searched his backpack and they found a roll of tape, white robe, another hammer, one pair of rubber and cloth gloves and a journal. what does that tell new terms of where this investigation leads regarding the issue of premeditation? >> what sadly we could have predicted is looking on his social media. so it's a standard kind of account of especially, not completely as it turns out, but especially extreme right-wing kind of terrorist, complaints leading with nancy pelosi.

this one will go federal because the interest is the federal government. this is a guy acting and this is what they'll be able to prove on the tack against paul pelosi, the husband, because of nancy pelosi, because of his identity and the crime that evan just referred to, 18 usc 1115 goes exactly to that. >> some of the details that are painting the picture of what police officers found when they arrived. before they arrived. pelosi called 911 and spoke with 911 operators. said there is a male in the home. the male is going to wait for pelosi's wife. he does not know who the male is. the male said his name is david.

evan, you have nor. wha -- more. what do you have? >> that's right. this is describing some of the activity that the 911 dispatcher was able to hear. and, again, you know, he was quick thinking it appears in calling 911. allowing the dispatcher to hear some of the interactions he was having with the assailant. but also describing that obviously they already knew the address and the home. according to the affidavit from the fbi. he describes, he didn't know this person. again, that's a key detail. and it appears he was able to bring, talk the assailant down to the first floor which is where police answered and were able to come to the home within minutes. you're talking about less than ten minutes that the police are at the front door. they walk in and they see the assailant and paul pelosi holding a hammer. it appears that at that point

that the assailant goes and hits paul pelosi in the head with the hammer. that's when the police take action and detain him and begin doing the investigation at the scene. all of this, of course, happening in front of the police officers who responded to that 911 call. >> also, just more chilling information as far as what was premeditated here and what depape planned to do had he found nancy pelosi in her home. this an interview he gave to the police department on friday evening. he stated that he was going to hold nancy hostage and talk to her. if nancy were to tell him the "truth," he would let her go. if she lied, he was going to break her knee caps. he expected her to lie and then he also then explained that by breaking her knee caps, she would then have to be wheeled into congress which would show members of congress that there were consequences to these

actions. ed, davis, how do you respond? >> this is a terrifying account of a man that spent time thinking about this. when i heard there were zip ties in his possession, i am not surprised that kidnapping or attempted kidnapping charge is put up there. but this attack goes to the core of our democracy. it can't be just written off to some crazy person. what our leaders say matters. it is a clear indication to me that this man has bought into the conspiracy theories and has decided to take action against our government in a very personal way. an 82-year-old victim into a woman who was the speaker of the house of representatives. this cannot be understated. protections need to be put in place for the people involved.

it's important to protect them as it is to protect a president of the united states. >> commissioner davis, harry litman, all of you, stay with us. of course, as we're just getting the details of these two now federal charges against david depape. the 42-year-old who assasaulted allegedly paul pelosi and wanted to, according to the interviews, attack, kidnap the s speaker of the house.