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these attacks happen and they're imploring allies to provide more key air systems. they cited the german air defense system that arrived that was used today to intercept missiles it operated at 100 percent efficiency. they're asking tusa an germans to provide more. >> wolf: they clearly need more air defense. thanks. we will stay in touch with you. thanks to our viewers thanks face-off watching. i'm wolf blitzer in the situation. erin burnett starts right now. >> out next the man accused of attacking speaker nancy pelosi's husband revealing police his ultimate goal was to hold pelosi
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hostage and break her kneecaps as the suspect has been hit with more charges. devastating strikes across ukraine russia launching missiles knocking out water and power and we are getting video of russian soldiers chaoticly fleeing. former if the crisscrossing the country telling democrats it's not the time to mope but what impact will obama have? i'm dated baldwin. breaking news, the san francisco district attorney charging the man accused of attacking nancy pelosis husband with attempted murder residential burglary assault with deadly weapon elder abuse as well as threat to public official and their family. convicted he could face up to life in prison. the d.a. was crystal clear on
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the suspect's motive. >> we can definitively say this was politically motivated? >> yes, it appears this was based on his statements and comments that were made in that house during his encounter with mr. pelosi this was politically motivated. >> this comes after the justice department already charged david depape assault. federal officials are veelg his intentions. according to court documents he reportedly told police he ultimately independent tended to hold nancy pelosi hostage saying if she were to tell him the truth he would let her go and if she lied he said he was going to break her kneecaps an it comes as we are learning more about the attack. police say depape entered with zip ties tape roped and two hammers before 2:30 in the morning.
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he woke up paul pelosi who eventually was able to call 911 the suspect telling police he did not leave after that call to 911 the reason being because quote much like the american founding fathers with the british he was fighting against tyranny without the option of surrender. that's in the criminal complaint. when police arrived depape is accused of attacking pelosi smashing him in the head with a hammer and now getting conditions about paul pelosi's condition. depape is expected to be in court tomorrow for his arrangement. what new information are you learning about the attack an police found at the scene? >> well now we are learning in more detail what federal prosecutors say happened. they're learning from interviews with depape and pelosi as well as a deep review of the body camera so what they say through this narrative depape broke through back door of the home went upstairs where paul pelosi was sleeping. he claimed he wanted to talk to
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nancy and somehow through all this paul pelosi was able to talk him down, keep him calm enough he was able to slip into the bathroom and called 911. when police got there pelosi opened the door and moments later depape hit pelosi so hard with that happeneder he fell unconscious. here's a quote that lays out why depape said he did that he said he viewed nancy as the leader of the pack of lies told by the democratic party and explained by breaking nancy's kneecaps she would have to be twheeld into congress which would show other members of congress there were consequences to actions and depape also explained generally that he wanted to use nancy to lure another individual to depape. investigators found depape's backpack at the pelosi residence and other things roll of tape white robe hammer pair of rubber gloves a pair of cloth gloves journal and further the
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affidavit makes clear he had at least one or weapon twheer was living in a garbage and upon a search warrant they found more gloves and a sword. >> what more are you learning about paul pelosi's condition tonight? >> he remains in intensive care in a san francisco hospital. sources say he struck pelosi twice in the head and he needed surgery for skull track turn and had serious injuries to hands an arm led to his shirt being cut off to treat his arm. he is 82 years old. we have learned from pelosi's team he's expected to make full recovery but at this point remains in icu. >> whitney thank you very much. out front with me democratic congressman swallwell. i know you spoke with the pelosi family since the attack. what are they telling you? >> well, you know, first and foremost everybody is just
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rooting for paul's health and also concerned though and this is how the speaker is. she recognizes that she has a security detail that most members of congress do not have and so all of our families sit on the x, meaning that members are often in transit between washington and our district between campaign stops and overseas travel for our job but our family members and staff sitton x so and assailants would go to office or home think you would be there and you may not but your family members are there and as we saw in this instance they're the ones that can pay the price. >> i want to read a portion of the criminal complaint to you just to reinforce that stuck out to me which is in the complaint it says, depape stated that he was going to hold nancy hostage and talk to her. if nancy were to tell him the truth he would let her go, and if she lied he would break her kneecaps. depape was certain nancy would
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not have told the truth and you've spent a lot of time with speaker pelosi in your work on the hill together an traveling back an forth to california. did she talk about the fears of threats that something like this could happen to her? >> well, speaker pelosi as you probably know is made of steel and she's fearless but she often thinks of her own staff and other members and has sought to increase the funding that the capitol police has to protect staff and other members but we've seen in the senate that mitch mcconnell and republicans have voted down additional security measures that we passed in the house. so she s she recognizes and has stride to solve for. this also i'll say as a former prosecutor in the san francisco bay area that complaint reflects that this individual did this with premeditation with foreknowledge, that he went
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there knowing where she lived, he a plan he intended to carry out he's not some random individual. that should concern all of us there were people out there like him who can carry out violent political rhetoric and actually turn it to violent acts. >> and elected republicans are condemning the attack against paul pelosi but some are also suggesting it is an example of the bigger problem with crime across the country. i'm going to say what former president trump said today about the attack. >> with paul pelosi that's a terrible thing. with all of them, it's a terrible thing. look at what's happened to san francisco generally. look at what's happening in chicago. it was far worse than afghanistan. >> this begs the question of bringing down the temperature and how to bring down the temperature but your response to that take. >> well, the individual didn't even live in san francisco so it's just a cheap shot at san
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francisco to say that, but if you look at the facebook page of this individual and the facebook pages of donald trump, marjorie taylor greene, lauren boberg they're identical so the violent political rhetoric that is espoused by republican leaders is inspiring violent political acts by individuals like this. so we all have a responsibility to condemn it because when we don't condemn it what we saw on january 6th is taken as a permission slip and us condemning it having an effect is january 6 we saw hundreds of people when donald trump said it's time to go home they went home so believe it or not it may seem crazy people would listen to a leader whether they carry out violence or go home it actually carries great weight. more republicans need to speak up. otherwise somebody's going to get killed. paul pelosi almost was cold.
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>> the d.a. said it's incumbent on everybody to bring down the temperature. a man pled guilty to threatening to kill you. we talk about republicans need to bring down the temperature. we know what the motivations of this man was and what is on his social media pages with depape. do you think there is something democrats also need to do to lower the temperature in the country right now? >> you know, democrats are very passionate about what's at stake in our election but not a single colleague of mine has advocated for violence and i think that's the difference. yes, these arguments sometimes get impassioned and we have all said things we regret but too and republican colleagues have called for or glorified. speaker mccarthy when asked about violence fails to denounce it. i feel there's a clear difference between bringing up violence and failing to condemn it and the fact it would have
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the you did. >> with the serious charges slapped on depape are they strong enough? does it is act as a deterrent? does it scare people straight in terms of getting the temperature to go down? hope can spring eternal but we live in reality these days and congressman thank you for coming on. >> my pleasure. >> information about the alleged attacker and his motivation. drew griffin has this. >> for years the right wing has been demonizing nancy pelosi. >> that crazy nancy. she is crazy! >> some of that was shared by david depape the man charged with charging paul pelosi. depape was detached from reality with conspiracies, racism, support for hitler. he posted videos with mike lindell's made up lies about the 2020 election being stolen and
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that the house committee investigating january 6 seth a farce. in other words he was consuming an reposing the political lies that led to this. the 42-year-old depape broke into the pelosi home repeating the same chant, where's nancy? according to police. according to those who study radical light it's influenced by lies. >> one thing we see conspiracy theorys fromotivate individual actors. >> one report says he thought he was jesus. >> he thought he was jesus, paranoid speaking that people are after him. >> republicans eager to distance themselves from the politics of the attacker are latching on to reports he mentally ill but whether or not, every post was
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rooted in right wing conspiracies or lies about the left. >> thing this is a classic case of somebody steeped in toxic content following hyper link after link down rabbit holes. >> while paul pelosi lies in a hospital there are new conspiracies fueled by partial reporting. >> listen to this police dispatch. >> his name is david and she a friend. >> while a law enforcement source told the los angeles times investigators believe pelosi was getting coded information, while also trying to deescalate the situation, light wing twitter feeds lit up with the word "friend" suggesting pelosi knew his attacker which the san francisco police chief said is not true. >> the evidence indicates the exact opposite. >> a local fox station
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incorrectly reported and retracted information saying the attacker was in underwear again false but it's led to popular far right figures like former trump fix sebastian and desouza tweeting. and potentially even more disturbing, elon musk the new owner of twitter retweeted to his followers, a garbage article on the attack and said he's begun to question what happened before deleting the tweet. >> kate, depape's own stepfather told us he's disgusted by these conspiracies and lies about his son. he fears it's going hurt his business but as we've seen the generators of these conspiracies an especially people who have huge social media power who spread lies don't seem to care.
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kate. >> drew reporting thank you very much out front greg erie, former chief of fbi terrorism operation and head of the intelligence division of the new york office. you heard reporting there depape's facebook page filled with qanon racism love of adolf hitler but was not known by authorities. should someone with that kind of social media footprint have been known to law enforcement? >> it's a difficult challenge and a problem because obviously as we've heard this is somebody swimming in conspiracy theorys waiting for that moment that something flicks in his head to act on and it's tough for law enforcement to police the internet because there's no other activities tmts best way to combat this is people who knew him say there is a problem and try to get that individual help. >> because it's endless. if there's one depape on these
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web sites there's a million of them doing the same thing. >> absolutely. >> how much has political rhetoric you think in recent years contributed to what happened to paul pelosi vs. the discussion of there's generally a crime problem across the country? >> i think i agree with the d.a. in san francisco. there's a crime problem certainly we are watching statistics go up. this was a politically driven attack specifically targeting nancy pelosi and her family so there's ifs ands or buts about it but the political rhetoric when we work with adl and capitol police last year threats against congress people and their families went up over 9500. >> do you think the challenges on depape are strong enough to bring down the temperature? it seems that's almost the wrong direction for the motivation to stop the rhetoric and bring things down to earth. >> i think it's a piece of the puzzle facing state and federal
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charges which are pretty stiff but i think as i heard the congressman say before this we need universally across the line violence is always wrong. it's not enough not to advocate i. leadership comes with responsibilities and words matter. that's what we need. >> former fbi guy told me today there needs to be a code of conduct. be passionate but there has to be a line when you see something like this. we will see. it's great to have you, greg. >> thank you for having. >> next, up for grabs, polls from four crucial states showing momentum shifting toward republicans in the final stretch. democrats are turning to former president obama for help. can he deliver. plus see what happens when russian forces try to escape ukraine's counteroffensive. president trump asking the supreme court from accessing his tax returns.
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cortez masto is neck and in with laxalt and in georgia warnock and walker. what is likely the democrats best hope john fetterman has a slim lead over mehmet oz. former adviser to president obama and adviser to mitch mcconnell. with the reality an landscape we are looking at in the final stretch inflation president biden's lack of popularity with voters and what recent history tells busmy terms do you see these polls as a hope for democrats or sign of trouble? >> look. i think there's a red riptide starting to pull us out into waters we don't want to be in.
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we have 7 days to vote volunteer donate but the idea we are still in this fight usually you expect a wipeout in the midterms. the economy being where it is some candidates on the rights are so scary, so bad, laxalt and embarrassment in georgia and we have fantastic candidates on side but they're swimming against a red riptide. people ask very you voted, have you volunteered? let's get out there. it's the margin of effort that's going to determine this. >> scott, what do you see in these polls? >> well, there's a lot of polls. i try not to get too excited about one or the other because you can always find one that confirms your priors or desires as i like to say. this race is incredibly close and republicans feel pretty good about nevada. georgia because the outcome could be a runoff with no clear on election day, that one is a
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shrug right now and pennsylvania has gotten extremely close, the "new york times" survey taken largely taken before the debate which i don't think went very well for fetterman so pennsylvania neck and neck. i think the house is done. i think republicans are going to have a nuj night but the senate races are very close and i would caution republicans against irrash nabl exuberance. >> rick scott over the weekend with dana bash said it's going to be 52 plus seats at least in the senate. this is our year how he was painting it, the red tsunami i've heard people say. do you think 52 feet in the senate is going out on a limb? >> it could happen. fs things break republicans way it's possible republicans sweep those states you mention winning pennsylvania nevada georgia democrats are worried about places like washington state.
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there's a scenario where republicans come in big on election night. there's also a scenario this thing is really close where you get some and you don't get others. his job is to cheerlead for others. my job is to analyze like a political operative. i agree it's hyper close. >> what have you done to stay in your lane? i'm kidding. so van then it makes sense that former president obama is jumping in to try to help democrats at this point. he started the weekend in georgia followed by stops in michigan and wisconsin, nevada is tomorrow and then he just added a stop in arizona. saturday he's going to hold a joint rally by president biden then in pennsylvania. i want to play a part of his closing message to democratic voters. >> i'm here to tell you that tuning out is not enough. moping is not enough.
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we don't have time to mome. don't get distracted. don't fall for the okey-doke. you go out and what? >> vote! >> oh, i love it, i love it, i love it. >> van, midterms were tough for obama when he was president. >> sure. >> do you see him having more of an impact this midterm? >> look. he's become more beloved and more beloved with the democratic base and at the end of the day it's going to be a base election. some of these, i know scott agrees with me, these might be 5,000-10,000 vote margins. can president obama get out there and say you know what? we are a great party. i should do more. she absolutely can't. now listen. nobody can overcome a 5, 10, 20-point lead but when you're talking about literally 5,000,
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10,000, 20,000 votes barack obama can move that needle. >> can i ask you thought, you think about former president trump an his impact, he's jumping out to try to gin up support, get people to the polls on the republican side. i mean, you've not been afraid to criticize trump in the past. do you think that he helps or hurts at this point? >> well, i look at it if i were running a campaign i'd say what do i have and what do i need? if you're a republican what suf a highly energized base and a president joe biden who is struggle and georgia survey has biden 30 percent job approval so i'm not sure what else you have to do to motivate republicans until theory that's what donald trump would do. it's conceivable he could go somewhere and hurt you. like what he did to a.d. vance the other day, and that wasn't
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helpful. i think we are going to win ohio. i should be clear about that. would you want him to come to some other state and possibly embarrass when you republicans are fired up? i don't think so. comparablely, both biden and trump are the two biggest boat anchors on their parties. obama floats at a different plane. those two guys i don't think and democrats want biden or a ton of republicans want trump so neither are helpful in my opinion. >> quite a midterm. good to see you. >> thank. >> up next put win an ominous warning saying the devastating blitz on ukraine infrastructure is not all that russia can do. we are on the ground in ukraine for you tonight and the desperate attempts to save people in the crowd crush that took the lives of more than 150 in south korea. >> they all died?
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>> tonight vladimir putin warning today's missile blitz that he launched on ukraine is quote not all we can do this as 55 russian missiles rain down on kiev and other cities across the country with 10 striking criminal infrastructure. robertson in kiev. >> life just got harder in kiev. monday morning 80 percent of the capital's water off following a new barrage of russian airstrikes, spigots not use e
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since the war began a lifeline but not unexpected. >> everybody in kiev right now choose to stay here. they are like ready for this. >> ready to leave the city? >> no, i didn't leave it since the war begin. why have to do it now? >> despite the lines in parts of the city patience is plenty. >> i'm serving my friends in one hour, maybe two-hour, maybe three. maybe no water after. but i'll be all right. >> scenes like this becoming increasingly normal across ukraine. government officials say there were ten different regions targeted monday, a different
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site. among them a hydroelectric power plant. amount one in central ukraine. subway in the east still by strikes on vital infrastructure there. despite intercepts 44 across the country according to the government groups of missiles getting through, at least three according to this witness near kiev's hydroelectric power plant. [speaking foreign language] >> a missile flew over our house and went to the balcony. i saw the second missile and a drone both she is says flying in the direction of the power plant. so scary when you see it. three weeks of targeting ukraine's electricity network is pushing the power grid toward a tipping point, no doubt more of this to come. >> well, the mayor of kiev
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earlier in the day promised the residents here he would get some of the water back up and running and by the end of the day we are told it's about 60 percent back up so that leaves about 40 percent of the city without water but the power situation is much more dire. russia has really reduced the capacity of the system here in one of the big energy company bosses here said it's the damage is into hundreds of millions of dollars. there are thousands of spare parts they're short of they don't have in the country. they have to reach out to allies around the world so it's at a point where just a few russian strikes make a huge amount of difference and the ability of ukraine to get everything back up and running that's pushing off into the distance right now. >> nick thank you. i bring in retired armey general mark. we have seen russia escalating
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attacks on ukraine. nick has been documenting this for us. do you see a larger strategy in terrorizeing the nation over and over again? >> of course. it's been happening from the beginning, kate and it's accelerating. nick just mention behead the hundreds of millions of dollars it takes to repair this infrastructure. revolution also spending millions of dollars on a strategy of attacking civilian infrastructure forceing the zelensky government to move in two directions. they want to continue the military assault but are faced with the dynamic of how do we take care of our civilians at the same time so it causes that government to look two ways and this is unfortunately more continuation of an illegal strategy by mr. putin which is based on committing war crimes. you can't say it any other way. i know i've been a broken record on that but that's just the truth the matter. >> when it is the reality it's
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not being a broken record. it's stateing what the reality is on the ground. i want to play some new video that i know also grabbed your attention as well. can you see on your screen for everyone at home. it appears to show russian forces coming under attack and in their frantic attempt to flee the line of fire can you see multiple soldiers piling on the outside of a military vehicle the tank speeding away and you see right there crashing off the side of a road. we can't independently verify the video but in seeing this, general, what the do you see here? >> well, you're showing a whole clip now. you're seeing undisciplined soldiers across the board soldiers from the beginning that jumped on this btr without uniforms, helmets some with baseball caps on backwards, handing mortar rounds into too the turret, the commander saying
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hang on, soldiers saying i don't know where to hang on. you see soldiers losing their helmet as it flies down the road. there's no wingman for this vehicle. they suddenly go off in a ditch probably because some of the soldiers on top of the vehicle are blocking the driver's view. it's a comedy of errors. these are the kind of things soldiers look for in an undisciplined chaotic mob not soldiers an this is representative of what we have seen in an untrained force from the very beginning where in this case i'm sure there were some soldier badly injured or even killed when that vehicle rolled over. and it was just because they don't know how to perform the kind of skills that are expected of soldiers on the battlefield and thankfully the ukranian force is much more disciplined. they have an nco corps that enforces standards and the key thing is winter is coming as we
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talked about. right now it's 38 degrees in kiev. it's getting cold. we are still in november. the kind of discipline that's needed in a force right now has goet to be applied by nc ho's. the russians don't have that discipline and are going to suffer through the winter more so than ukranian forces. >> thank you general. good to see you. >> thank. >> the race to save lives you're going to hear from a witness that performed cpr when people are crushed to death in a halloween celebration in south korea and former prince william asking the supreme court to block congress from getting his tax returns. ross bipolar depres. unlike some medicines that only treat bipolar i, caplyta treats both bipolar i and bipolar ii depression. and in clinical trials, movement disorders
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>> tonight republican congressman brad revealing his niece was among the people killed in that halloween crowd surge in seoul this weekend and ann marie was one of two americans killed along with more than 150 other people. winstrop saying of his niece, this. she was a college junior studying in seoul. will ripley is there. some of what you're about to see is disturbing. >> each new video from saturday's crowd crush only adds to the horror. on monday the death toll rose to
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at least 155. he shot this after the trauma. >> did any of the people you tried to save make it? >> no. >> nobody? >> when they were brought out there their heart had stopped for 10, 20, 30 minutes. >> all of them buried under a horrific human pile, a pile of people pushed from all directions by the surging alcohol filled crowd. police say the nightclub district packed with about 100,000 people saturday night. i told you not to go says this brother in between waves of graef. his sister died on the sidewalk, just steps away from this
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growing memorial. a tribute to mostly young lives lost, around two thirds of them women from more than a dozen countries. by monday evening all the victims had been identified. two american students, both college juniors among them, steve blesi from georgia had been in south korea two months. ann giske a nursing student from kentucky, her devastated and heart broken father called her a bright light loved by all. this is a week long period of national mourning. the streets of the city usually bustling deserted. >> as this memorial grows the public anger grows as well. yes there's grief and you can it with a knife but there's so and
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questions how this could have happened. [speaking foreign language] >> i'm so angry. this is a man-made disaster. police should have dispatched its full force and taken care of our precious young people. >> inkprengs turning to outrage. why did the say fail to have any guidelines or manuals for events like this, events without a clear organizer? in the words of south korea's president, a tragedy and disaster that should not have happened in the heart of seoul a city a nation heartbroken and demanding answers. >> and one of the big questions is, all these police officers here, they were out on the night of this halloween party, kate, and yet, they were looking for people with drugs. they were looking for public
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intoxication apparently pretty much disregarding the number of calls coming in people walking to their police station across the street but the police didn't respond, they didn't know what to do, and when they did show up their voices were drowned out. people thought they were in halloween costumes. this story really touching and tearing apart so and families all over the world, kate. >> all over the world. thank you. former president trump asking the supreme court to block access to his tax returns. they're set to be turned over to congress unless the justices step in. plus john fetterman discususses the rising threats to officials
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to be handed over wednesday. outfront now, norm eisen, cnn legal analyst, former house judiciary special counsel in trump's first impeachment trial. norm, do you think the supreme court will step in here after the long road this has traveled? how much time do you think this buys donald trump? >> kate, i don't think the supreme court is likely to step in here. the two lower courts have found that congress has a right to take a look at these tax returns. i just don't think there is a basis. but we'll know for sure pretty soon whether trump will get the delay he seeks. >> when you were working on his first impeachment, you wanted to gain access to these returns. so what is this really about? >> kate, congress is looking, the house is looking at the presidential audit program, government review of presidential tax returns. it's inadequate and they need to get these tax returns in order
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to fix it. for example, it completely failed to up earth the kind of wrongdoing that is alleged by new york courts that's on trial now, so we need to fix that. and that's congress' reason to want to see these tax returns. of course they're interesting for other reasons. >> trump, as i mentioned, he's arguing that congress only wants these for political reasons. the fact that he could be announcing soon another presidential run, what do you think that has to do with all of us? >> kate, there's no doubt that former president trump has continued to be a figure of fascination and to some of concern. his finances are very controversial, of course. his business on trial for criminal tax fraud in new york. a civil case alleging fraud by the new york a.g. that's what this is about. do the american people, does congress have a right to gain that kind of information about a public figure.
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in this case the request came when he was president. that's the most important public figure that we need to have transparency about. >> we will soon find out about this, at least this aspect of it. it's good to see you, norm. thank you. outfront for us next, don lemon, co-host of cnn's new morning show speaks to democratic senate candidate john fetterman about the attack on speaker pelosi's husband.
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finally tonight, pennsylvania senate candidate, democrat john fetterman, acknowledging his debate with mehmet oz last week was challenging, a debate in which he struggled at times to explain his positions as he is also still recovering from a stroke that he suffered more than five months ago. and in a new interview with don lemon, co-host of cnn's new morning show "cnn this morning," fetterman weighed in on the recent attack on speaker
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pelosi's husband and the baseless claims that have surrounded friday morning's assault. listen. >> what did the attack and subsequent conspiracy theories say about the state of our politics right now? >> yeah, i just -- of course i was appalled by that. of course the kind of vitriol that is out there in the political conversation out in america now is astonishing. it's unconscionable. >> and you can see don's complete interview with john fetterman tomorrow morning. that's on "cnn this morning" with don lemon, poppy harlow and kaitlin collins, a new morning show debuting tomorrow at 6:00 a.m. eastern. thank you so much for joining us, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. "ac 360" starts now. the suspect said, quote, he was going to hold nancy hostage, unquote. and if she did not tell him the truth as he saw it, he would break her kneecaps.