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>> so just eight days remain for voters to be convinced they have control over congress over the next two years. former president trump and president biden and obama hitting the campaign trail. >> 2100 ballots have been castrated how many minds can be changed and what does this mean for the presidential race? those of the questions for the return of our dueling panels.

this is where we each get four minutes in our panels make their best case and we decide who wins at the end. >> we are going to win. we will decide that right now. here with me now and ashley allison and first of all there's a lot of anxiety right now over the next eight days but even more for the next two years because they are wondering if biden is the person they want in office. what he think about the anxiety? >> everyone should question which candidate should be on the ballot. i think that makes our democracy strong even president biden. if president biden runs again i will support him and >> in ohio tim ryan did not seem to be self-assured. what do you say to that?

>> he was appearing with president biden that day in ohio and when it comes to running in 2024 people are saying not so much so it's a weird dynamic democrats are extremely happy with the accomplishments so of course the no-brainer answer should be we want biden to run again. there's a lot of nervousness. looking at his approval ratings and it will be an interesting dance for the next few years. >> i grew up in the south so double that it's great we have people who have these expertise and knowledge. chuck and nancy and people are pushing age 80 and you have chuck ? running and hang up your running shoes we need to talk about who is leading your country if you cannot operate your own smart

phone and you don't know what cybersecurity is to factor indication, he should not be making our laws very this is a viral moment to happen on saturday. listen to this. >> sometimes a familiar face can be the most terrifying. >> and political moves president biden says he intends to run for reelection in 2024. >> he is old but he could still win. right? >> can he beat desantis? >> i don't know. i don't know. >> he is 79 now. election is in two years so that means.

>> he has done so much >> he fell off his bike. >> >> ageism or funny? >> funny but the media is a little bit tough on biden falling off his bike. i fall off of my bike. but i think it was funny and that is what they are supposed to do. >> it is funny it is also a little ageist but it does encapsulate some of the fears we are seeing so there's a little bit of truth. >> america loves a strong man. we need someone who looks vital

and young. >> you have a table of strong women here. >>.[indiscernible] nevermind. i will go back to you because i don't need the last four seconds because they dropped the mic. >> that is some profits. i see your snl clip and i raise you and snl clip. put four minutes on the clock for me and i will play the snl clip. go. >> if biden is not going to run who will? >> just when you thought the terror was over. >> truth and my is just beginning. >> listen to yourself. >> from the twisted minds of mary jo.

>> i have the perfect candidate. >> a superstar. who can go all the way. >> hillary. >> sometimes the best option is the one you fear the most. >> they really went for the jugular there. >> i think they have zeroed in on the issue for all the democrats who complain about biden, who did they want to replace him with? >> the best comedy is rooted in truth. people say we want

someone else to run but who else will it be? a couple of years ago they looked around and said who is it going to be at he was the one most likely to beat trump and he did it and the question is now who else will it be? who do they have on the right? trump and desantis? semi because of that enough? they have a lot of confidence. >> on the left if you would remove biden it would be a free-for-all. i think you zeroed in on something when hillary clinton lost in 2016 there was not a democratic bench ready and waiting. they are still dealing with the domino effects from that of this is playing out where democrats are between a rock and a hard place and you asked the democrats if they are happy with what biden has done and they will say yes and you asked

them if they want him to run again and it is like that skid is difficult for the democrats to see his successor but with the same time they now is probably the best option >> in keeping with the horror flick is there any democrat that sends a shiver down the spine of republicans? >> i don't think so. it's implicit in joe biden's campaign message you will be a bridge to the next generation of democratic leaders and no disrespect, they're all octogenarians. but they are aging out as far as the democrats are concerned. they want to get through this next generation and you have gavin newsom and harris. >> if republicans win the senate and the house does biden run again in 2024 or does he exit? >> my feeling is he is not

going to run again. either way. i thought he was going to be a bridge to the next generation. >> he is not saying that but if the democrats have a bad midterm heat will turn up immediately. they know the next presidential election is existential and if they think president biden, the blood will circle around the water. that will start almost that night. >> we are talking about the future so yes, >> well done panel. okay. laura, your thoughts? >> she took the three seconds. i am okay with it. i like orange. so i will give it to her. that snl skit, the idf comedy reflecting a lot of what we are seeing and it's almost a safe space for people to joke about without having biden take

a hit at the polls because he is not on the ballot in eight days but his shadow and trumps shadows all over it. >> furthermore that skid is scary. it is creepy the way they did it. well done. it took every single horror flick meme and put it together and i was scared watching it. >> i'm getting to the point where i watch saturday night live on sunday morning when i wake up because it's too late. >> i am with you. we want to know what you think about this. can anything change at this point in the midterms and what is going to happen in 2024?

>> bio anti-semitic messages popping up across florida this weekend. first there were disgusting banners hanging from a highway overpass in jacksonville and on saturday a message, kanye was right was scrolling. it's hard to see but it was scrolling outside the football stadium referencing comments and videos show the same message outside another building in jacksonville saturday night and incidents that happened in terms of vandalism and things being spray-painted so let's bring in the senior legal analyst and we have

>> obviously it's not just florida 2021 had a high of anti-semitic incidents across the country there were 2717 and as you compare that to four or five years earlier it was a fraction so something is happening. >> we see these incidents were there referencing kanye west. someone is influential with a huge platform normalizes or attempts to normalize this type of speech there's a direct line between this and deteriorating behavior. we have seen it deteriorate even further when it comes to shootings with the buffalo shooter he had messaging written on his assault wriand the el paso shoo so he drove several hours to go

to walmart so we could target mexican immigrants and we see how this can transfer into hateful acts because the social contracts that keep us behaving and dignified ways are not written on stone, they are written on tissue paper. >> they are written in our conscience. in our own moral compass assuming they are fragile we have to agree to the dignity of one another for it to work and when it starts to unravel it could unravel quickly. >> i was interested in what the sheriff said at this time the sheriff's office has not identified any crimes for the comments do not include any kind of threat and are protected by the first amendment. i get that but obviously vandalism projecting

something on a wall is not. >> that is a a correct legal statement hate speech is not a crime unaccompanied by action if you assault someone that will be a crime and even more serious it will be a hate crime and merely saying things. kanye west tweet is not a crime. we do have a broad first amendment and there is nothing new with anti-semitism and racism they go back centuries but it is so alarming to me is how little it takes to spark this. one high-profile person sets off one crazy tweet that is alarming. >> is it true that he has this ripple effect? the stuff he has said, obviously these things predated him, the violence and mass shootings but what is the

effect of kanye putting something out? >> i don't think we can minimize the ripple effect someone is using their platform to spread hateful ideology. and that goes alongside a growth of anti-semitic language across the board that is even echoed by mainstream political figures right and left and that is what we are seeing, some of this growth for the reporting we do, we talk to grassroots conservative who use the language of elites and globalists so much even in their language of how they express what they see happening in the country. that overlaps with dehumanizing anti-semitic language so a lot of political ideology is and that's the scary part, how these hateful

thoughts and actions spread. >> and exactly what the dog whistle is of anti-semitism and i do not understand this but it's a notion that juice runs the world they run hollywood, the banks, media. and i was in college and someone said casually, well jewish people run hollywood someone said can you believe he said that? i did not understand it but now i know and we see it it's one of the common threads this secret group is organizing and running the world amounts a viral form of anti-semitism. >> and tyree irving sort of pretends not to understand they have a huge platform and what they say impacts people. >> what i post does not mean i

support everything being said everything being done i am campaigning for anything. i post things for my people in my community. >> do you understand or not understand those that might imply that that work had anti-semitic leanings in it? >> we assess because it still up there. >> is amazon a public platform? if you want to watch it, it's up to you. don't treat me any different than the next human being. >> he shared a book k i should not say. he shared a book that had anti-semitic ideology. i don't know i think it was talking about jewish slave ships rubbing a secret ? that has the same type of roots that we seeee the same type of roots

that we have seen other ideologies that have use that rhetoric as justification to dehumanize a larger group of people but it's what we see here is another instance of people having a lack of shame. at the minimum, there is no recognition that those actions hurt others and there is no willingness to learn from what those folks have communicated and that is what we see across politics and public life, a refusal to even take information and good faith and do the basics that you would think to understand how your actions are. >> it's a willful ignorance to give an example louisville used a word and a song in the disabled community said this is a slur. she apologized and she

change the song. when it's brought to your attention that your responsibility to learn what you did wrong and fix it. especially if f you're a public figure. >> and just because i post something doesn't mean i believe it or support it. well it should. that's an endorsement. >> you described a copout. i do think you have a responsibility and part of the idea, the free-for-all plays that elon musk talked about. you have a notion of it being a free-for-all and zero accountability of the fact of the matter is we have free speech but not without consequences so that's an ongoing concern and conversation to have at next, the president of brazil. he is known as the trump of the tropics have so far refusing to concede defeat an election for his presidency and he claimed he had been a victim and he

would be a victim of electoral fraud and without offering any evidence. what does this mean for democracy in brazil and litwhat we can learn here, abr we will talk about it next.

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>> louise dasilva is set to be the next president of brazil is ? just under 51 percent. he

had become famous as a trump like figure in latin america. miles taylor, the dhs secretary kirsten nielsen and ashley allison. i wanted to cover this story because often times we look to the uk or european allies to draw comparisons about what might be happening the truth of the matter is all over the world and in places like brazil you are seeing comparisons about democracy being challenged and in this country still has some very striking parallels even tonight they're trying to have security available because of these protests and i am wondering in terms of lessons to be learned are what we can be looking at, are you seeing blueprints or analogies that you want to point out?

>> i think it is worrying not just in brazil but around the world. the united states example is being looked at. what happened in the 2020 election wasn't some tiny country the entire world watched it and autocrats around the world watched it with some level of excitement because this was something to emulate and justify their behavior in the future. let's hope that ? is silenced today as a bad halloween trick and nothing more and delay. he's the first brazilian president to be booted from office so they are probably digesting this in the good news is most of his allies have come out and congratulated lula on the presidency but there is a delay and there is uncertainty days later is raising anxiety and that sets a precedent of leaders delaying

concessions around the world that creates an opportunity. >> you have biden jumping to congratulate a nod to a blueprint across the globe and that notion have the oldest son taking to twitter saying let's not give up on our brazil what parallels do you see? is this the chicken or the egg? what's to come or what has been? >> i am a people power person and i think what we saw is a candidate that was extremist and conservative. the people made their voices heard and they said that's not the world i want to live in and i think it is a foreshadowing for the next eight days actually because you have steve bannon

going on air to his media outlets saying look what's happening in brazil. we are not going to let that happen here and ? this radicalized effort of people who want to intimidate voters and i think he is pulling from the playbook saying see what's happening here if he stands up and says i'm not going to concede that's with the candidates need to do but the people can say no and say i'm going to elect people to represent me. >> just last week president trump made a comment in a tucker carlson documentary an idea of blake masters you can't go soft. and does this foreshadow in some respects people are looking to see if

this will work and a nod towards here in eight days? soon thehe republicans i speak that point to countries in south america we are not those countries they talk about these places like they are terrible places why are you letting his twin brother do exactly what he is doing down there so this is the thing, they need to pay attention because what they do is heighten people's anxiety with these tendencies s promisi them this utopia so let's back up for a second. like you eluded to earlier, he is going to fight the process and create delays and that is really bad in general and anyone looking at that. that makes sense but it doesn't make sense because that is what is happening there is a potential for leaving the door open. brazil is a place

where many coups have happened. in 2024 we cannot rule out that it would happen here. >> we ought not to take issue for fighting for a legitimate process. a recount if there are reasons. if there is a reason to challenge results but i think what we see here, and idea of putting that out to the universe, planting the seed and hoping it will result in the maintenance of power. >> there wasn't a hint of fraud in the 2020 election. it was the most secure election until he fantasized there was fraud and rumors of fraud started to pop up. that time of uncertainty. the longer it goes the more those fantasies can come to fruition. on twitter and elsewhere on social

media, these frat boys are somehow attuned to foreign policy they are commenting about brazils election. five years ago they would not have thought a thing about a foreign election but they have a keen interest in seeing him stay of power. that's only thing that's made them pay attention to for policy. assuming the connective tissue is apparent. we think about these things because it was also a set up. the idea of there is election fraud. i'm going to contest results. we are seeing that on campaign trails right now. >> who used to call that a sore loser and that is now the fact

that it has proliferated around the globe is stunning to see. so we are going to lighten it up with some bizarre stories next because the real-life white lotus stories from service industry workers who cater to the one per centers and the demands that they make. >> i am not inre t that one percent. >> we will see.

>> if you have ever seen the white lotus on hbo you have been treated to the site of, to put it bluntly, rich people behaving badly. you see wealthy guests vacationing in a hawaiian resort and what it takes to keep these guests satisfied. so if the "washington post" decided to look into the stories of real hotel workers and it's even better than what you see on a white lotus. so here is what the "washington post" found here's a few of the demands that rich people make of the hotel workers. one guest wanted an authentic mermaid with a splash trail in the

pool. that's kinky. and one guest in france wanted san pellegrino water delivered from italy so she could wash her hair. another guest had to have a piece of lawn so his dog could.[bleep] in the hotel and one guest ordered a $50,000 tree frog to be delivered for his daughter who left it in the hotel when they checked out. this is madness. i have been binging white lotus and it's real. >> is such a great shout and great commentary on wealth. some of these are people having fun with their money and who can blame them for that? bringing in a mermaid for a kids birthday party but some things seem like having fun with your money. and there's a saying that money doesn't change who you are, it reveals

who you are. some are wealthy and some are incredibly generous and one story that hit me in the "washington post" was this family that refused to communicate directly with the waitstaff, they would communicate with the bodyguards who would communicate with the waitstaff and they have children and what are they seeing? and that's when people grow up to be monsters. so if there's a lot of bad behavior. a star screamed at her driver for not picking up luggage fast enough. assuming this is stuff that we ascribed to rich people but we see it all the time. i remember when i was a sandwich artist at jimmy john's and the way people would act would resemble some of this behavior so even so it is often associated with the rich and wealthy they are calling in the mermaids a lot of people have

that in them. >> that's a good one. sandwich artist. >> you are right. i was a waitress for a long time and i witnessed some bad behavior from people who might have been overserved great >> i have never seen the show. i was a desk clerk at one time and i was a dishwasher and i have seen some bad behavior but i come from a gritty town people had money and they didn't talk about it they didn't show it. assuming that is old-school. >> i like those kinds of people. >> much better than ordering a tree frog that you leave in the hotel. >> on the tree frog i have a lot of them. first of all, if anyone, rich people behaving

badly. we have all seen this but in terms of how this plays in real life we have seen people not returning to work because it wasn't worth that they thought. what they were getting with non-livable wages and how they were being treated. >> i agree. you don't have to be the one percent to treat people in the service industry poorly. we saw how essential workers were taken for granted. my first job i was a cashier at a grocery store and those individuals had to show up every single day so we could get our groceries. when you have more money you can get a frog a treat thehe person who deliver the frog poorly but it doesn't mean that we need to treat people, no matter what it's about the dignity of paying them a fair wage. >> and part of these discussions, the racial dynamic

at play of the have and have-nots. but the idea of how that factors into these conversations this is why it's resonating so much for people. >> i have no interest in washing this. i never watch keeping up with the kardashians. >> very different. i think you will enjoy this. >> at the end of the day.[indiscernible] [laughter] >> people who have credit cards at the ready. they want a champagne lifestyle. are these people really rich or just putting this on credit because all of us can have a champagne lifestyle if you have a credit card and you are willing to rack up some debt to have a good time. i will be honest, my generation, we have had credit card reps on our campus.

i don't want to watch this. people behaving badly with a have access to luxury goods it's a problem. no empathy and frankly, where does the pendulum swing back to just decency? i have been an aerobics instructor and i have been a tutor and i have seen people behave badly in all the settings and it's getting worse. >> we can do a full show on all of our prior careers. miles, what was that? >> bartender. dishwasher. kind of like a newspaper boy. all of those things were better than politics. literally charlie just said he had been a dishwasher. and we have both been in politics and i bet charlie would rather go back to being a dishwasher. because of white lotus,s, i just watched i

before i came here. i wasn't planning on being part of this panel very interesting show, worth watching. the thing that you said makes me feel like we keep referring to this as the roaring 20s because of all the things that could happen and the technology, the last roaring 20s it's going to be a time of extraordinary transition for blue-collar workers. technology is changing, it echoes what we saw 100 years ago. and you look back on the great gatsby and that's a similar story. and what's happening in that part of society because it will affect the next 20 years of american life >> and f scott fitzgerald is from st. paul minnesota. there you have it allison. it was all connected. and not the same year i would be much older.

>> i can do that math. but i had no idea that's a fun fact. would you rather be a politician or a dishwasher? >> i would rather be a politician. dishwasher is hard work. >> it would be great for us because i was also a dishwasher at friendly's for a week. that hot fudge sticks on those metal pots. >> nothing better. a little mothball in there. >> okay. time for you to sound off and we will read your tweets, next.

>> time to sound off. let's see what you are saying tonight out there. we got one from coach al. there is no need for affirmative action justice roberts finally assumes that institutions in this country that make these decisions have resolved biases and all are on equal playing field. >> okay this next one is about haunted places. this comes from meredith. she says cape maine new jersey is definitely haunted. i think i agree with her. we came back to our hotel room to find the tv on but not tuned, just white noise. and that night i felt someone sit on the foot of my bed. ; my gosh. that's her kids messing with her. >> we have one on paid transparency. it's an

important tool to weed out salary discrimination. you can't solve the problem if you can't see the problem. i am all for it. >> it is important to have the information but it also can engender some resentment. but maybe it's worth it. you know where to find us. thanks for watching everyone. our coverage continues. coverage continues. >>

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