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state's motion to detain him. cnn has obtained a copy and that's not all, he reportedly said. we will have more of the details on that in a moment. just in tonight, hillary clinton speaking out for the first time about the attack. here is what she just said on msnbc. >> i think what we're seeing today and it has certainly been thrown into very high relief by the horrific attack on paul pelosi is not just an aberration where one or two people, or a small group engage in that kind of violent rhetoric and urge people to take action against political figures like her, like me, like others. we are seeing a whole political party and those who support it, those who enable it, those who run under its banner, engaging in behavior that is so dangerous and i find, frankly, disqualifying for people who are running for office. i think, like, every american
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justice stop and think about that. this is the kind of violent rhetoric that leads to violent action, that props up authoritarians, and that's unfortunately what we see the republican party today supporting. >> to that point, there were more reasons to believe the threats facing lawmakers, including speaker pelosi, has not gone away. some of it is fueled by conspiracy theories, like the ones the defendant apparently bought into. the former president amplified one as well today. also as if to underscore that threat picture, there was this from the trial of five alleged leaders of the so-called oath keepers. jurors were shown a series of text messages from january six referring to speaker pelosi. one of them reads, quote, was hoping to see nancy's head rolling down the front steps. we begin in san francisco, where paul pelosi remains in the hospital facing with speaker pelosi says will be a long recovery from a skull fracture and where his alleged assailant was in court.
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cameras were barred, but cnn's veronica miracle is there. she joins us now with the breaking news. what have we learned today? >> well anderson, we just obtained that motion to detain. it was filed by the district attorney and it argues why david depape should not be released from custody. it describes him as on a suicide mission and that he had plans to target other politicians. it quotes him as saying to paul pelosi about speaker pelosi, that she's number two in line for the presidency right, and when mr. pelosi agreed, the paper responded that they are all corrupt and said, we've got to take them all out. the motion also says, the attack on paul pelosi with that hammer was caught on body camera video. and it also says that the pape told officers that he didn't have plans to intentionally harm mr. pelosi, but that if he escalated the situation, he would go through him if he had to. now, we saw him in court today. he was ranked on multiple
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felony charges, including attempted homicide, burglary, elder abuse, among others. he entered not guilty pleas for all of those. the pelosi family was not in court, but the prosecutor told the judge that they're asking for privacy during this very traumatic time. the judge also signed a protective order which says that mr. depape cannot contact paul or nancy pelosi, and that he can be nowhere near the residents. anderson? >> what was this alleged attackers demeanor like during his court appearance? >> well, the first thing that i noticed about him when he came in is that his shirt was half off because his right arm was in a sling and i later learned from the public defender that he actually dislocated his shoulder during his arrest. when he came into court, he was able to walk on his own. he had a very tall and large stature. but a very solemn demeanor and just sat down, and went through the proceeding. and when i asked the public offender about his mental
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status, his medical condition, the public defender said, he could not speak to it. only that he met with paper very briefly yesterday. anderson? >> ronica merkel, appreciated. now first on cnn with the pelosi family about the faces special correspondent, jamie gangel, joins us with that. jimmy, what have you learned? >> anderson, we've been told members of the pelosi family, as soon as tomorrow, are expected to be able to hear the audio from that 9-1-1 call that paul pelosi place to police. and also to see the body cam footage of the san francisco police officers who responded to their house the night he was attacked. anderson, just as a reminder, we know paul pelosi placed that 9-1-1 call at the beginning of the attack after convincing the assailant to let him go to the bathroom, where his phone was charging. and that he spoke cryptically to police. the body cam footage is expected to show what the police saw when paul pelosi opened the door and his assailant attacked him with a
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hammer, fracturing his skull. just a little while ago, anderson, the da just told cnn that the phone call was actually very brief. that recording will be brief, but she confirmed the body cam footage does show the horrific attack with the hammer, anderson. >> and do you know if this 9-1-1 audio and the body camera footage, you said is it going to be made public soon? >> we don't know yet, anderson. but look, as we've seen with cases of 9-1-1 calls, body cam footage, they are released in many cases. and i think what's important is this audio and video. it could provide critical evidence. whether it's hearing what the assailant said, if anything on that phone call, but certainly that attack. it may very well provide first hand, critical evidence of what
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the assailant did. and that striking video is important because it not only documents what happened, that the assailant was looking for nancy pelosi, who let's just remember, was the target of this attack. but perhaps it will help combat these crazy lies, conspiracy theories, that have been spread on social media, anderson. >> jamie gangel, appreciated. despite all we've learned about what happened over the last few days from reporting like that in the federal criminal -- if the conspiracy theories continues to spread today, as you mention the former president offered one of his own, of course he did. not going to spend a lot of time on the details, it's enough to say it's one more thing for law enforcement to debunk. joining us now with san francisco police chief, bill scott. chief scott, appreciate you joining us. just heard from jamie gangel's reporting the pelosi family will be able to hear the 9-1-1 calls, see the body cam footage of the video earlier tonight on cnn, the district attorney said that you see the attack on the body camera footage. is it clear to you why the attacker hit mr. pelosi with the hammer as the police were approaching? was there some trigger to that?
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>> well, first of all, anderson, thank you for having me on. what is crystal clear to me is he tried to kill mr. pelosi. now, what was going on in his mind as to why he did that? i can't speak to that. but what is very clear to me, reviewing that body worn camera, is he tried to kill mr. pelosi. >> can you confirm how many times mr. pelosi was struck? >> well, we know it's at least one and we are, you know, trying to figure it out through the evidence and the injuries. but we know it's at least one is what can be seen on the body worn camera footage. you know, it was an immediate tackling of this mr. depape by the officers, and we're talking about a matter of from the time that door opened until the hammer was swung at mr. pelosi. we're talking about no more than about three seconds. so, this was a very rapidly
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unfolding series of events. and we know it happened at least once, but the officers responded immediately to tackle him and disarm him, and try to save mr. pelosi's life. so, things have been very, very quickly. >> in the 9-1-1 call, was mr. pelosi able to identify himself at speaker pelosi's husband? was the dispatcher aware of who he was? or did she become aware of who he was during that conversation? >> well, he did identify himself and the officers knew that they were responding to the residents of speaker pelosi and her husband. you know, i just want to clarify one thing. the cop was -- three minutes and as i said and i will say again, you know, there is a dispatcher trying to really figure out and decode what was being said on that call. and so, she attempted to keep him on the phone in order to do
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that. but at the end of the day, she did figure it out and raise -- priority to the call thinking that it wasn't like what was reported by mr. pelosi. there was something more there. i say again, i think her being able to figure that out, along with mr. pelosi's keeping his wits about him, he was heroic and the dispatcher figuring out that there was something more was also heroic. and i think that saved his life. >> so, it was a three minute call, a three-minute 9-1-1 call. it is remarkable, and we're starting to see more details of what was said on that call, the dispatcher was able to figure out through sort of the cryptic words that mr. pelosi was using. is that something that dispatchers are trained on? >> you know, yeah, they are trained to try to figure things out. and it comes with experience, but also it's intuitive. you have to have a sense for things. heather grimes had the
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intuition to just say something is not right here, you know? it's not really making sense. and your training, experience, and just plain old intuition or the three ingredients, i think, that made her do what she did, in terms of upping the priority of that call and making sure that officers got there quickly. >> as you may know, the former president has called into question the circumstances of the attack. he said previously this was a break-in. that is still accurate, yes? >> yes, that is absolutely accurate. this was a break-in, there is no doubt in anybody's mind. that has anything to do with this investigation whether this was a break-in. this was a break-in, plain and simple. evidence is overwhelmingly clear, and i don't know why anybody would say otherwise. but i'm here to tell you that it was a break-in. >> chief scott, appreciated.
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coming up, -- reputation all your officers have done. we want to get some perspective now from cnn senior law enforcement analyst and former fbi deputy director, andrew mccabe. also cnn chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst, john miller. and, what stands out to you about this case, given what we have learned today? >> well, you know, i mean obviously, anderson, the feds and the state are going after this attacker with everything they've got. in two simultaneous prosecutions that will likely land this guy in jail for the majority of the rest of his life. which is great. in both cases, it appears to stand on pretty solid ground. just the information we learned from the federal affidavit that was filed yesterday, it's remarkable in its detail and the statements made by the defendant itself really put him in a very bad position for these prosecutions going forward. so, that all seems to be lining
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up well. on the -- of this, misinformation and layer upon layer of additional lies and conspiracy theories that just breed additional oxygen into the insanity. it's very frustrating. >> john, i know you've been pouring over the details of actually the interaction between them. >> i mean, it's chilling. it's something out of a seven king novel. he's asleep in bed and a voice wakes him up and says, are you paul pelosi? it's 2:00 in the morning. he says, yeah. he says, where is nancy? he said, she's not here. she's in washington. the voice says, when is she going to be back? now, anderson, stop tape here for a minute. in context, that sounds crazy to us when we are talking to somebody while we are sleeping. but remember, this is a family that lived around security details in their house, their kitchen outside, -- >> they have a tremendous, i mean, i've seen her security detail. it's quite large. >> people coming and going,
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he's groggy out of bed sleep and when he says, well, i'm going to tie you up and we're going to wait for her, it is clear to him that something is very wrong. he gets out of that and he has for the elevator. he knows he can get in the elevator. there's a phone in there, you can stop the elevator and mr. depape blocks his path. he's talking to him. can i call someone for you? what do you need her for? is there something i can help you with? she second in line for the president, we have to take them all out. >> this is what he says. >> yeah and then he says, well, is there someone i can call for you? he says no, this is the end of the line for you. at this point, it diverts to the bathroom, he knows his cell phone is uncharged there. he turns around, puts it on speaker, calls 9-1-1. and then engages in a conversation where he's trying to get the message across to the operator, but not trying to
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-- >> because the guy can hear him on a 9-1-1 call. >> the guys on the other side of the door, he's got a handful of zip ties and he says, there's a man here and he's asking for my wife, nancy pelosi. and i don't know him, he says when she asks. she says, do you need police, fire, or ambulance? the suspect is glaring at him he said, no, how about if the capital police here? and she said, you know you're calling the san francisco police. he says, yeah. she said, do you know this man? he said, no, i don't. and then the suspect responds, no, i'm a friend of theirs. so, she's gleaning something is definitely not right here and makes that priority a call. when the police are coming, now remember, the suspect's thinking here is, i know i went by 1 million cameras to break in here. i know paul pelosi has seen me, i now think that the police are on the way. and he's heading downstairs. i know i'm going to get caught, i know this is the end of line for me now. when the police got there and paul pelosi opens the door and heads back to the suspect, trying to keep things calm, the
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police put their flashlight through the door and they see the two men standing there with a hammer. and the officer says, what's going on here? paul pelosi lets go of the hammer and then he's struck. if you look at the suspects later statements to police, what he allegedly said is i knew this was a suicide mission at that point. and that i wasn't going to get away. and if i had to go through it, i was going to go through him. he had escalated this by calling the police and putting his hands on the hammer, i had to hit him. >> john miller, andrew mccabe, appreciate, it thank you. up next, how you know that election is coming and the races are tight, which big name campaigners are hitting the trail? which one is crossing party wants to do it? where things stand in the battle to control congress. later, with the supreme court had to seek to senator, lindsey graham, who made a federal case of not wanting to testify to a safe country investigating the scheme to overturn the 2020 election.
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democracy. of course, this comes three months after liz cheney was defeated in her primary. and just a couple months before she leaves congress on her own. but she made clear she still
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wants to try and influence the shape of the next session of congress, if republicans haven't win the majority, she clearly wants to limit that. and try and avoid any election deniers being sent to washington. she frame the stakes of the race like this. >> if we want to ensure the survival of our republic, we have to walk away from politics as usual. we have to walk away. we have to stand up, every one of us, and say, we are going to do what is right for this country, we are going to look beyond partisan politics. if the people in our party are not doing the job they need to do, then we are going to vote for the people in the other party. >> and these two members of congress have some history. they sit on the house armed services committee. they both have served this country at the state and the pentagon as well. but anderson, she was very blunt tonight saying that the chips are down. this is a time of our testing. >> do we know with any affected might have on the elections with just a week to go? >> well look, this is very
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close race. one of the most competitive races in the country. and it is clear that to win, she needs when republicans and independents. that's what congresswoman elissa slotkin. this is a very competitive district. it's always been won by president trump. it's we rejoin a little bit, so it's now a plus one biden district, if you will. but she has to win independents and republicans. so, that's what they hope the effect of this is tonight. kind of getting a message to some of those republican or moderate voters who may be swayed by liz cheney. >> congresswoman cheney also said earlier today she would back another democratic candidate in a race, do we know who? >> we do. she actually made a stop in ohio before coming here to michigan. she was asked about the j. d. vance, tim ryan senate race. and she said, look, just given all the conversations that j. d. vance in the republican senate has raised about the 2020 election, obviously he was backed by the former president. she said, she simply could not vote for j. d. vance, so she
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said, if she was in ohio voter, she would vote for tim ryan, the democratic candidate there. unclear how much any of this will impact the race. but here in michigan, in this district in particular, anderson, it is clear that there are many independents and republicans who are questioning the outcome of this. could help at least on the margins in a tight race. >> jeff zeleny, appreciate it. because this is in the end a numbers story. we're joined here by cnn's one and only senior, david -- only -- harry enten. which four senate races have you been analyzing and changed over the last month? >> yeah, so let's talk about this. let's start in arizona, which i think is the easiest story to tell because mark kelly has held a consistent lead. but that lead has shrunk. it's now down to three points over blake masters, the republican. you go to georgia, that race, oh my gosh. so tight, so tight. what is key about georgia is neither herschel walker nor raphael warnock are above 50%. what does that mean if this forecast is in fact correct? exactly on the button, it could mean a potential runoff in december to potentially decide the united states senate. because georgia, you have to
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win it to get a majority vote to win. go to nevada, how tight is the race there? another race in which the candidates are even. and then, of course, you might end up in the state of pennsylvania, where here's a surprise, given all the previous graphics. the candidates are, again, even. they are even again. >> that's, i mean, oz has come up a little bit. he was further back. >> yeah, that's correct. if you if you took a look at the race, all these races about two months ago, let's say at the beginning of september, can't believe that was two months ago. how fast this summer has gone. if you were to look at the race two months ago in all these races, the democratic candidates were leading in all of them. so, it's very clear looking at the math right now that it's republicans that have momentum. >> why is that? >> why is that? here's the reason why. take a look right now at what i would call the fundamentals. take a look at the satisfaction with the direction of the country that people have right now. below 20%. look at congressional approval rating, just above 20%. look at presidential approval rating at about 40%. and if you look at each of those different factors on satisfaction, that's worse in the mid term since 1982, you
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look at congressional approval rating, that's the second worst since 1982. you look at presidential approval, that's, again, the second worst since 1982. so, i don't think it's so much of a surprise. the fundamentals are kind of bringing the democrats back. >> if you look at that, the worst second worst, second, worse it's been surprising that the gop candidates are not farther ahead? >> i think it would perhaps be surprising. here's the thing. candidates matter! i know this is perhaps a surprise in our polarized era, but if you look at the net favor realty that is a favorable minus unfavorable in the republican candidates in arizona, in georgia, in nevada, in pennsylvania, they're all under water. so, you sort of have biden going in one direction, sort of pulling the democrats down, with the republican candidates are themselves pulling themselves down. but i do have one question for you, anderson. and that is, who do you favor in the world series? >> well, yeah, you know? >> do you know who's playing? >> i do not know who's playing. >> we actually do have --
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we want to give you warning -- the next report is disturbing. if you have young children, you might ask them to leave. cnn has obtained never before revealed 9-1-1 audio from the uvalde school shooting in may that killed 21 people, including 19 children. and what you're about to hear is the voice of a ten year old
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girl named chloe torres. trapped at robb elementary school with a gunman who had already slaughtered friends and a teacher speaking to a police dispatcher. 9-1-1 call made by khloe from inside the school during the attack. following that, you will see video a lot enforcement authorities at the school discussing the information that khloe, who survived the attack, gave the dispatcher. now, cnn obtained these calls from a source and is using excerpts with the approval of chloe's parents. cnn has also informed the families who lost people in the massacre that this story was coming. cnn's shimon prokupecz has the full story. >> we do have a child on the line. >> this was the moment everything at the scene in uvalde should have changed. at 12:10 pm on may 24th, fourth grader chloe torres, who survived the shooting, was inside room 112 at robb elementary and spoke to 9-1-1. police just a few feet away in the hallway were just minutes
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later made aware the worst-case scenario was unfolding. chloe, along with her classmates and teachers, some dead or dying, were trapped with an active shooter. it's the phone call that should have made the difference. instead, it would be another 40 minutes until police finally enter the room and kill the gunman. cnn has obtained the call, never made public until now. a warning to our viewers, it's painful to hear. we are choosing to play portions of the audio with the approval of chloe's parents. and because it is crucial to understanding the full scope of the law enforcement failure that day. there's a school shooting. >> are you with officers or you barricaded somewhere? >> i'm in classroom 112, 112,
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112. >> please hurry, there is a lot of dead bodies. >> you are in room 112? >> please, i need help. you can hear injured people in the room crying out in pain. the dispatcher asks chloe to tell her classmates to stay quiet. she does her best. >> you need to be quiet. >> i am, but they are not moving. somebody needs to get here. my dad taught me when i was a little girl. and help for my teacher. >> less than two minutes into the call at 12:12 pm, the uvalde dispatcher sends an urgent message to police on the scene.
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>> if active shooter protocol had been followed, this dispatch should have triggered police to spring into action and breach the classroom. instead, 38 minutes were allowed to go by as more officers arrived on scene with more equipment until something is done. nearly 400 officers responded in uvalde. chloe wanted to know where they were. >> on the other side of the door, the law enforcement response was disorganized and chaotic. official reports detail the catastrophic mistake that was made. police on scene thought the shooter was a barricaded subject and not an active shooter. close call makes it clear, an active shooter situation is unfolding.
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body camera footage from local and state police departments obtained by cnn shows the officers on scene knew about the phone call and that there were children inside the room hurt and in desperate need of medical attention. [noise] no we had not heard. that were in the forest, right, this is dilutes military force. not here, no sir. >> you've been in there already? >> no, the shooters in their. >> he's in there? >> yeah, he's in here. >> last one we had was one of our police department officers. >> they just had a number of kids across 12. trying to get them from 112.
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>> shimon prokupecz joins us now. this is a first time i've seen this. this is unbelievable. this is not unbelievable, this is completely believable, given the lies and the cover-ups that have been going on for so long from these people. but, i mean, it's outrageous. >> it is and it was such a hard decision to make, whether or not to air this, anderson. you know, our team, we sort of were in a place where, how do you tell the story about how horrific it really was inside that classroom? >> they knew there was a little girl talking to other kids who were alive, telling them their teachers were wounded, bleeding, and asking for help. and the little girl passing on, oh, there in the school, as if she believes they're actually going to come in. because, of course, they should come in. >> over a dozen times she's asking for help, where are they? she's with her friend, they're trying to get the police to come in. at one point, the even offer to unlock the door. we like, what's also -- >> the kids offered to unlock
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the door. i mean, the fourth graders have more courage or more intelligence than some of the folks out in that hallway is stunning to me. or i should say the leadership, because there's plenty of low level police officers who want to go in, who want to do the right thing, and, you know, they don't want to be incompetent. but they're crying out for some freaking leadership. >> and you can see in the video, the body cam footage, so many missed opportunities because there are radio transmissions. the telling the officers there, there are kids in the classroom, go in, go in. and everyone just freezes and no one does a thing. that call is 20 minutes of just brutal heck, anderson, for these kids to hear them. there's so much that we don't show, so much that we don't play because it's just so brutal. but it was important to show and to show viewers exactly the moments inside there and how horrific it was. meanwhile, police officers were standing just feet away from the door and the other thing is the gunman, he was distracted. they had plenty of opportunity. had they made a better effort
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to figure out what was going on inside. there were two rooms there. at one point, he was in another room. >> there were hundreds of officers. >> the kids weren't even sure he was still in the room and you can hear loud music as he's playing the music so loud. so, when you listen >> -- >> he was playing music? >> he was playing music and you could hear. it he was in the other room, so there was plenty of time for them to go inside. that's what this audiotape clearly makes. and why they didn't, what they were doing during those moments. look, there's more reporting to come, anderson, obviously. we're still digging in on some things that are going to indicate that everyone there knew what was going on inside the classroom, that there were kids in their. and yet, they failed to act. >> shimon's reporting on this has been, from the moment this happened, extraordinary. i thank you for staying with us. thank you so much. chloe's mom is going to be on cnn this morning tomorrow morning. so, i will definitely tune in for that. just ahead, senator lindsey graham has avoided testifying in a georgia probe about his knowledge of the attempts to overturn the 2020 election. today's supreme court weighed in about whether he lost.
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appeared to suggest he tossed legally cast ballots in counties with high rates of non matching ballot signatures. quote, it sure looks like he was wanting to go down that road, brad raffensperger said. graham called that ridiculous. joining me is cnn contributor, john dean, former white house counsel to president nixon and seniorlegal anaylst elie honig. elie, so senator graham's office calling this a win for him, saying the court of the constitution speech or debate clause could apply in certain circumstances. what do you make of this ruling? but >> it's not a win for lindsey graham, anderson. it is a loss on ballots for lindsey graham. he had argued that he was exempt from testifying, that he didn't have to testify at all under the speech and debate clause, which is part of the constitution that says a sitting member of congress, like lindsey graham, can't be forced to answer questions outside of congress. but the problem for lindsey graham is the federal courts, up to and including the supreme court has said, yes, however that only applies to your legitimate legislative activities. anything you are doing with the trump campaign, any efforts to interfere with the election, to pressure state officials, that's all fair game.
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so now, bottom line, lindsey graham has to go in front of the grand jury, take an oath, and answer questions from a prosecutor. >> john, if senator graham invokes the speech and debate clause. to in an effort to avoid answering certain questions about his post-2020 election activities, would it meet the bar? many people may not know whether that cause was intended to be used for. >> well, it's a new clause to most of the courts down there because they don't address it very often. so yes, he can raise it. yes, he can hide behind it for a while. but the court, the high court, as well as the lower courts, have gotten themselves familiar with this clause. and it's pretty limited. it's limited to his legislative activities. as elie said, so he's not going to get far with this. >> i, mean elie, if the senator objects to a question during testimony, how does that get decided? >> so, this is the problem. the supreme court said, if there's a dispute about a question, you can go back to the district court, which is the federal trial level court. i guarantee you lindsey graham is looking at the calendar here thinking, there will be a new
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congress early january of 2023. and if he can throw enough issues up in dispute, the strategy may be to try to stretch this out until the new congress takes over. i'm sure prosecutors are aware of that and are going to try to dispose these questions as quickly as possible. >> john, senator graham's attorneys have said the fulton county district attorneys informed them that grahams neither subject nor a target in the investigation. he's simply witness. does that preclude him from invoking his fifth amendment right against self incrimination? >> well, it doesn't preclude him if they get into areas that he thinks he might be in trouble. and i think there might be some areas where he could have some trouble. as the court noted, he had cajoled and exhorted officials down there, and that may be misconduct. so, he'll be kind of trying to step around those areas and stay out of them. and if it gets a direct question, he would have to take the fifth. but anderson, that is a disaster for the chairman of the senate judiciary committee, which he hopes to be soon.
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>> eli, when it comes, who i, mean the possible substance of graham's testimony, what's the most important information that fulton county, the district attorney would like to elicit from him? >> well, let's remember, lindsey graham is not a senator from georgia. he's a senator from another state, from south carolina. he was in coordination with trump and the trump campaign. i think they will look there and i think they will look at lindsey graham's efforts to pressure local and state officials in the state of georgia. i think that's exactly what prosecutors are going to focus on. >> elie honig, john dean, appreciate it. thanks. still ahead, an exclusive interview with a friend of one of the americans who was killed in a horrible crowd crush in south korea. song worth singing ♪ ♪ they may try and sell ya ♪ baahh! ♪ 'cause it hangs them up ♪ ♪ to see someone like you ♪ ♪ but you gotta make your own kind of music ♪ life gets bigger when you break from the herd. ♪ sing your own special song ♪ the volkswagen tiguan.
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special committee to, quote, reveal the truth, transparently, . cnn's ivan watson sat down for an exclusive interview with a friend of one of the two americans killed. here's his report. >> everybody was very fond of stephen. stephen was the kindest person there ever was. he will be there for you. he was, like, a good friend for everybody. a kind soul. >> ian chang, a 21-year-old from florida, is talking about his friend, steven blessee. the two american university students met here in south korea during their semester abroad in seoul. >> that was one of his big adventures, to come here by himself. >> the young americans mixed class work with exploring korea. >> he definitely liked the food here. for sure. >> the barbecue? >> yeah, korean barbecue. >> that included late nights
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out in seoul's bars and nightclubs. >> that is, until saturday night when everything went horribly wrong. >> i didn't think it was real. you know, the whole thing because i saw him that day. just learning the news that he passed away it's just, you know, doesn't seem to be true. the two americans plan to meet here, insoles itaewon district to celebrate halloween. but that night, korean authorities estimate more than 100,000 other people were also coming to party here. >> at the beginning, we thought it was funny. >> stuck in the crowd, this french woman, a 22-year-old french exchange student filming herself with friends, at first, laughing. but then, she suddenly looks distressed. >> you were hurt? what happened to you? >> at some point, i had no air.
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and we were so crushed with other people that i couldn't breathe at all, so i just passed out. >> unconscious? >> yeah, unconscious. >> bystanders pulled sheletta limp out of the crowd. she was one of the lucky ones. this narrow alley was ground zero on saturday night. hundreds of party goers plots into a deadly pile up here, and began suffocating under the weight of the crowd. >> at least 156 people died. south korea is still processing this staggering loss. days later, lost belongings on display for grieving relatives to identify. >> so i message stephen, to tell him hey, don't come to our place anymore. >> did you shoot the two -- warned his friends not to come. but the atlanta native who loved hip-hop and international travel, never answered. the next day, authorities
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identified blesi and another american student from the same exchange program as two of the many victims. just weeks ago, this group of friends went on a weekend hiking trip together. >> he was such a great person. a great friend. >> steven and ian shared plans for the future. hopes and dreams that will never be fulfilled. >> i wish i could've made more memories with him, you know? i'm gonna myth him. >> ivan joins me now from seoul. i mean, it's so incomprehensible. what's the latest about the investigation? >> sure, let me just point out that we're at the memorial here where people are paying their respects to the victims of this terrible disaster. we have seen the call logs, there were at least 11 calls to police where people were warning, in the hours up to the deadly crowd surge, that they were afraid people could be crushed to death by the sheer mass of humanity there.
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the police have set that they only assigned about 136 officers to focus on crime prevention in an area where there are estimates of upwards of 100,000 people gathered in these narrow streets and alleyways. partying. the prime minister of the country has said, there was a lack of institutional knowledge and consideration for crowd management. the police say, the response was inadequate. but what a terrible price to have to pay to learn this awful lesson with 156 mostly young people now dead. it's just sickening. >> ivan watson, appreciated, thank, you we will be right back.
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