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new episode of my podcast all there is this out tomorrow morning, it's gonna be the last episode for this season. all the past episodes are available right now, you can point your phone camera at the qr code on your screen for the link. it's a podcast about loss and grief, and we had a series of remarkable poignant conversations with stephen colbert, molly shannon and others. tomorrow's episode is very different, it's probably the most moving episode yet, it's made by all of you have listened. more than 1000 of you left voice mails for me, telling me about your loved ones who died, and what you learned through their loss, and your grief, and what's helped you survive. listening to your messages has been incredibly profound, and inspiring, and that's what i made a podcast out of, the last one for the season.
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i want to thank you for all of that, for telling me about your pain and grief, and your love. the episode is called, you are not alone, it comes out tomorrow on apple podcast, where you listen pod house, the news continues, i wanted headed over to jake tapper at sea and end tonight. welcome to cnn tonight, i'm jake tapper. we are just one week away from the critical midterm elections, one week, and in this final stretch of these races, one key issue for voters is now surging to the front of the pack of issues, according to polls, and that issue is crime, tonight we're gonna try to explain why this issue seems to be resonating with so many voters, and will investigate whether the perception of rising crime matches reality. let's begin by examining this through the lens of one particular high-profile assault. david depape, the man accused of attacking paul pelosi last week, he entered a not guilty plea to all state charges during his initial court
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appearance, according to his own words, quoted an affidavit, his main target was how house speaker nancy pelosi. a shaver of far-right conspiracy theories, he allegedly intended to break her kneecaps with a hammer. today, the pipes attorney addressed attorneys outside of courtroom. >> there's been a lot of speculation regarding mr. depape's vulnerability to win to -- -- misinformation -- >> now the story is one about misinformation, about the risks of deranged conspiracy theories and dehumanizing political rhetoric. but this is also a story about crime, it's the story about a deranged person breaking into the home of a woman he sought to harm, and attacking her husband--the notion that violent crime is on the rise
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has left millions of americans scared, and the gop is trying to harness the power of that fear. top republicans condemned the pelosi attack, they disputed that rhetoric played any role, and pointed the finger entirely at the issue of rising violent crime rates. >> if this weren't paul pelosi, this criminal would probably be out on the street tomorrow. this is what democrat policies are bringing-- >> it's a potent issue, the democratic consultants tell me has been effectively used against their senate nominees in pennsylvania, wisconsin, and north carolina, as well as other democrats elsewhere. more than $98 million, this election cycle, has been focused by republicans, on ads attacking democrats on crime, that's about $22 million more then republicans spent on ads attacking democrats on inflation. now each, of course, making the case in 32nd sound bites that democratic policies on crime make us all less safe.
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-- >> barnes wants to defund our police. >> finally, crime terrorizing new york. well police fight to put criminals behind bars, sean patrick maloney fought to let them out. blind politician jay velazquez, wants to defund the police. we can't trust him to keep us safe. >> every one of those ads can and should be fact-checked, but the biggest question for us tonight is this: is life in america actually more dangerous than it used to be? here is what we know about crime, at the national level. after years of decline, national rates of violent crime did rise, during the covid-19 pandemic. between 2019 and 2020, the trump years, the u.s. homicide rate rose above 30%. that's the highest increase recorded in modern history. then, in 2021, during biden, the homicide rate rose 4. 3%, according to the fbi. but the overall violent crime
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rate, not only counting homicides, all violent crime, well that actually declined by 1%, nationally, according to the fbi. so nationally, it appears, homicides are up, the overall violent crime rate is slightly down. regionally though, where you live, well that's a mixed bag. take oklahoma, with a democratic candidate for governor, joy hofmeister, she's the one running against republican incumbent kevin stitt on the issue of crime. >> let's talk about the facts. the fact is: the rates of violent crime are higher in oklahoma -- >>--that's not true. under your watch, >> then in new york, and california. that's a fact. >> we will have that fact checked by the frontier superintendent. [laughs] >> hofmeister was mocked by her republican opponent, and even questioned by the moderator, but when the frontier, the oklahoma city newspaper fact-checked her, she was
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right. and oklahoma is hardly alone, the major city cities chief association says in the first six months of this year, robberies and aggravated assaults increased in cities of more than 500,000 people. but this is where statistics can often be used to make whatever point you want to make. the major city chiefs association says murders are down in aggregate in the 70 urban areas they looked at. but for 30 of those 70, murders are up. and those include atlanta, there are big races in georgia right now, and denver, big races in colorado. milwaukee, governor and senate seats on the line in wisconsin. when crime rates go up, local prosecutors pushing criminal justice reform policies, they often get blamed. is that fair? it's usually a lot more complicated than that. take boston, where the district attorney stopped prosecuting nonviolent offenses. what happened there? violent crime decreased, by 15%
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in 2021. and take two cities that increased their police budgets, indianapolis, indiana, and mobile, alabama, they increased their police budgets and saw an increase in violent crime last year. now look, the economy clearly ranks as the top issue for voters as we head into the midterm elections in one week, but in the latest polling from [inaudible] - news and yougov 65% of you said the issue of crime will be very important to your vote. a separate poll, released by gallup last, week finds americans are more likely now, than at anytime over the last five decades, to say there's more crime in their community than there was a year ago. 56% of you say there is more crime where you live now than there was last year. 56%. and that's a trend that's been building over the last few years since 2020, when joe biden was elected.
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>> crime is a big darn deal. >> used to be out there, but now it's our in our own neck of the woods. >> we want out. >> we live in an area where there's quite a bit of crime, so we are concerned about that. >> often when voters, or journalists or politicians bring up the issue of crime, you'll hear progressive pundits pointing to data that shows crime is down since the 90s, which is true, or some of the data and said it earlier today, and suggesting that this issue is invented by conservatives to scare the public into voting for republicans. not everyone out there agrees, while according to pew, only a third of white democrats say violent crime is important to their votes, a third of white democrats, 81% of black voters in general say violent crime is important to their votes. there's another important set
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of numbers here for you to keep in mind, which might explain why republicans are trying to capitalize on crime as a campaign issue right now. in that cbs poll i just mentioned, 46% of you said republicans policies would make you feel safer from crime, compared with 30% who said that about democrats policies. you might be able to attribute some of that imbalance, perhaps, to voters distrust of democrats after the whole defund the police campaign. the movement was embraced by some democratic lawmakers, especially progressives. but pretty firmly rejected by candidate, and ultimately president joe biden. >> i've totally opposed to defunding the police officers. >> it's not surprising, therefore, the republicans might lean into this divide among democrats. travel with me to georgia right now, where republican governor brian kemp is trying to fight off a challenge from stacey abrams. in their final debate, two nights ago, kemp repeatedly invoked defund the police, in his attacks against abrams.
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>> it's abrams she said that she wants to defund the police. we have to check the record. because mr. abramson cnn, got asked a question, would you defund the police, and she said yes. >> for the record, abrams told cnn yes to some defunding if need be, though she found the overall impression of the false choice. but it is it? to the west coast now, to oregon, democrats have controlled the governor's mansion there since 1987, but that could change next week, the republican has a decent shot there. partially because voters were unhappy about crime rates in portland, where we've seen riots and crime frankly out of control. lifelong democrat george corolla told the news letter commonsense that are common sense, that he barely recognize his portland anymore. same, here in oregon, look at, side you see the homelessness, people dying in the streets from overdoses, people dying of psychotic breaks, it's in
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shambles right now. it wasn't always like this, he says, unquote. this year, he says, he's voting for the republican governor candidate for governor. and in colorado, the state joe biden carried by 13 points, or because they say they see an opening time see michael bennet, and rising megastar ron desantis has cut an ad for republican joe --, where he says, guess it, there is crime. >> colorado needs new leadership, he's focused on building a wall, and kind of cracking down on crime. >> we will talk to him in just a moment. when you watch political tv ads on crime you might not even hear any real solutions being proposed. ones that we make a difference. you might just hear powell. but you might also be comforted to hear, someone out there even acknowledging that it's a problem, that it's a fear all politics are local goes to leak cliché and when it comes to crime that's especially true local as in here, your personal
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experiences might not be reflected in data if you don't feel safe, if you are someone you care about has been accosted, or assaulted, that's your experience. fear is primal, it's a crucial emotion, mobilizes us to respond to life-threatening situations, avoiding danger at all costs. you can hear the data, violent crime might be down in your area, but if you feel there's a threat, that's real to you, and emotions vote motivate voters. joining me next, the senate candidate we mentioned a moment ago, joe o'dea, is one of the many republicans running on crime. he's also running away from donald trump, i that end up hurting him in his purple state of colorado? we will ask him right after this. ♪ ♪ ♪
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who is not in trump's good graces win a senate seat? that is a big question in the purple state of colorado, where businessman joe, day a moderate republican seeking to unseat michael bennet. he first drew trump's ire after he said this. >> i don't think donald trump should run again, i'm gonna actively campaign against donald trump. >> adding more salt to trump's wound, former governor ron desantis giving o'dea his full backing, despite his bashing of trump. this prompted the former president issue an all caps response on his truth social platform, calling it a big mistake. joe o'dea joins me now to talk about this and much much more. good to see, you thank so much for joining, us trump has directly attacked you, to his call to stupid, he's called you a rhino, meaning republican in
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name only. i know it's all silly, but are you worried at all that this attack gonna hurt your chances of winning? you need trump supporters to turn out to vote for you through election day next week. >> jake, i said what i said, and i'm not worried about it. i'm worried about the next seven days, we've got one heck of a race were running here, this race is going to be a referendum on joe biden, and what he's done to our economy, what he's done on crime, but he's done to our border, what he's done to the price of fuel, the price of groceries. that's what people are talking about here, michael bennett he votes with it 98% of the time, i love my wife dearly, but i don't even agree with her even 98% of the time. >> there is a point that senate made in last night's debate, let's take a listen. >> he voted for donald trump twice, after the children were separated from their parents at the border, after he said -- trump said that both sides, there are good people on them on both sides of charlottesville. >> it in that same debate you
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said you would vote for trump again if you are the nominee, did it bother you when trump said very good people on both sides, in charlottesville, did the family separation policy of the trump administration, that bother you? >> i believe obama started that policy, to be quite frank with you -- >> not really. >>--if you look at back at where our economy was--here 22 months ago, and some of the policies that were in place. fuel was affordable, we had a great economy, i know my guys, i'm a contractor, been working for 40 years, and my guy's wages were surging. they were making more than they've ever made. we had china kind of pushed away, so i liked what he was doing there. and i gotta tell you, joe biden has and done every one of those policies. we've got a border that is looking like a sieve right now. we've got fentanyl coming straight up i-25, according to the police here in town, that i've been backed by, the denver police union.
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they're telling me that this border is leaking, and you look at the policies, one after the other, and i gotta tell you, we are not in good shape right now and people are ready for change, that's why i got in this race, i was really worried about where are the--united states was heading, and i'm gonna win next tuesday, i'm fired up. >> let's talk about immigration. you've been a hand and worrying democrats and senator bennett tonight for not doing enough to solve the border crisis, it is a crisis, trump didn't solve it either. it seems to many observers the solution would lie in a comprehensive bipartisan immigration reform bill. something that would cite passed the house, and the senate, and get cyber signed by president biden. that would include more border security, and also a way of deliver millions of undocumented immigrants already here. i've been in washington, d. c., for a long time covering this, every time it's been attempted, house republicans have signed the bill, even if there is a republican president like president bush doing it, gets to the senate, republicans sink
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it. don't republicans share some of the blame here? >> all i know is i'm gonna run that bill, we're gonna make sure we secure the border, we're gonna add border patrol, we're gonna make sure the docket kids are taking care of, and we are to streamline our immigration system. i'm gonna put that bill in front of the senate and make sure i get 60 signatures on the bill. then i'm gonna go over to the house, and i'm gonna work really, really hard with house representatives, to make sure we can get something done. this is a humanitarian crisis of epic proportions! i was just down in brooks texas, and those guys are exhausted! they found 100 bodies that have passed away, in the last, year we can't ignore this! we have to fix this border. >> i have to ask you about something you said on meet the press to my friend jock chuck todd. >> are you comfortable with these in the migrants as a political tool?
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>> look, i--i think ron desantis and governor abbott were right to bring some visibility to this issue. >> look, i don't take any issue with wanting to bring visibility to the issue of the border. sure. but i want to make sure i understand what you're saying here. do you think it is right for them to ship of migrants under false pretenses, into other parts of the country, that part of it? not just rain attention to it. that part of it the right thing to do? >> well, i know that president biden is shipping plains all over the country right now on airplanes, nobody said award. every state is a border state right now. we've got a humanitarian crisis down there, of epic proportions, and i believe governor abbott, governor desantis, they're trying to bring some attention to this, because the failed policies of joe biden, and michael bennet's right with him, 90% of the time he has failed, because he's with his president, instead of stepping out to get something done. and we need change, and that's
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why i got in this race. >> i want to turn to another issue, of particular importance of the coloradans. gun violence, it's been ten years since the aurora massacre, 23 since columbine. i can go on and on with all the horrible gun acts -- acts of gun violence in your state. it's federal law that you have to be 21 to purchase a handgun. you, i like senator bennett, you do not support raising the age limit on it for purchasing a semiautomatic weapon, however, the kind used in uvalde, and other massacres. why should an 18 year old be able to purchase a semiautomatic weapon before he's even mature enough to buy a beer? >> look, this is about crime. we don't need more gun laws, but we need are more cops. this is about michael bennett and joe biden having the wrong priorities. here, they pass this inflation reduction act, 87,000 new bureaucrats for the irs, instead of focusing that money on getting our border under control, focusing that money on putting more cops on the ground
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here, colorado had one heck of a weekend. i gotta tell you, we had 12 shootings this weekend, and we lost some coloradans. crime is at an all-time high here. >> yeah, but--why should a 19 -year-old able to buy a symbiotic weapon when he can't even buy a beer or a handgun, that's my question. >> well, he can sign up and go into our military. so i just don't believe we need a more gun laws, what we need is more cops. >> i'm sure you know of all the training that enlistee's undergo when it comes to how to use a firearm. joe, thank you so much, really appreciate it, enjoy last week on the campaign trail. >> thanks for having me on, jack, i really appreciate it. >> political attack ads are in full force, with a week to, go do usually, nasty they can twist of truth, i think we might have found the most dishonest spot to ever hit the airwaves. maybe. that's next! ♪ ♪ ♪
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we want to show you perhaps the most dishonest tv campaign ad we've ever seen. >> some politicians think they should control your child's education. >> we are trying to indoctrinate our students and communism. >> jay chan is running for congress to represent southern californians. the national republican congressional committee is running that ad, depicting chan, saying quote, we're trying to indoctrinate our children into communism, unquote, but here is what chan actually said. >> i'm gonna be a recipient of some of these attacks, they're unfortunately gonna be climbing that because this school district is teaching chinese,
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in communuism, literally that will be one of the points of attack. >> i mean wow, look political ads have never been known for subtlety, or nuance, lines from newspapers are lifted without context, comments are dishonestly edited, the complexity of governance produced of the scariest possible interpretation. the closer we get to election day, as races tighten, the more we see things go negative. take, for example, this ad against herschel walker. >> the first time he held the gun to my head, he held a gun to my temple. >> now herschel walker's ex-wife did say that, but what you probably don't know is that she said it while sitting for an interview in support of herschel walker, they sat together to discuss his struggle with mental illness. he was right next to her. kind of an important part of the story, no? news agencies such as cnn have teams of fact checker is calling out the lies, and i could spend the rest of this hour fact-checking ads across the country in these races, that's the rub, campaigns know
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they win the repetition game, you're way more likely to see a dishonest ad paly in heavy rotation, and you are to read or listen to a fact check such as this one. we have all sorts of laws about what you can say, or can't say in a television commercial. there's rules about how loud television commercial can be, and what foods could be called healthy, even what made in america actually has to mean. generally speaking, you can't just lie in a commercial. the ftc, the federal trade commission, makes sure that the company behind these slap chop can backup what they claim in their infomercials. but those anti lying rules do not apply to politics. the fcc, the federal communications commission, has no such rules for political ads, and there's nothing your local television station can do about it, by law, stations that broadcast over the public airwaves, cannot alter any ad from the candidate.
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in 972, atlanta tv stations were not allowed to reject this hateful tv ad from a white supremacist running for the senate. >> i am j. b. stoner, i'm the only candidate for united states senator who is for the white people. >> -- cut that off, there because he went on to use and n-word several times. the fcc rollback, then a local tv stations had to err that ad for the candidate, and that same rule applies today. bipartisan federal legislation to crack down on demonstrable falsehoods, that's gone nowhere, because look: who gets to decide what's a lie? and what's not? given how fast and loose so many politicians are -- so for the next week, and the foreseeable future, you can have more faith in a chia pet commercial than what a political campaign says and its ads. that's ads, when it comes to robocalls, as we head into the stretch of the midterm election,
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wait until you here with some state republican parties are telling voters in places like michigan. michigan secretary of state is here, she's a democrat trying to hold onto her seats, stay with us! ♪ ♪ ♪ they've got a guide to help them through, i definitely feel privileged to be in that position. ♪ that was quick. and rewarding. i earn 3% cash back at drugstores with chase freedom unlimited. that means i earn on my bug spray and my sunscreen. you ready to go fishing? i got the bait. i also earn 5% on travel purchased
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are getting robocalls, such as this one: >> vote republican from top to bottom in every race, as soon as your ballot arrves, and returned by mail, or drop it off import presented an early voting center. >> in michigan, the gop phone calls sound like this: >> you can return your ballot in person at your local clerks office, or return it to the postal service, or deliver it to a dropbox. >> republican parties in both states, michigan and arizona, paying for those calls, and honestly that's great, encouraging voters to participate. it's a wonderful thing. the problem is, the arizona chair of the republican party, constantly tweets nonsense such as, quote, all mail-in voting is a recipe for abuse, fraud, and the loss of a election integrity, at the same time they're paying for that robocall. in michigan, the republican nominee for governor says on
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her web page, she wants to ban dropboxes, the very ones referred to in that michigan gop robocall. the republican was to oversee the next election is secretary of state, kristina karamo has made election conspiracies the centerpiece of her campaign. we asked her to come on the show, tonight she declined, the person who did except our invitation, is her democratic opponent, must oversee the election as -- michigan's current democratic a state, joscelyn benson. welcome secretary of state benson, thanks for being with us. what is your assessment, what's your take on the fact of these public republicans, public officials or party chairs saying--bad mouthing early voting, voting by mail, et cetera, well secretly they're telling voters not to participate in it? -- >> first thanks for having, me and shedding a light on this really challenging moment we are in. and really what this underscores is that these lies, these conspiracy theories, it's a political strategy and it's one particularly designed to make people lose faith in our
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elections, while at the same time making sure the misinformation continues to flourish. and it's really -- it's outrageous, and it's reaching a greasiest heights, my opponent recently filed a lawsuit against detroit voters trying to get absentee votes thrown out even though detroit is an every citizen and michigan has absentee -- under a state constitution. so it's really reach new heights of ugly just-ness, but also for remember, these are people who know better. they are campaigning on lies on a political strategy to gain power. so they can potentially stand in the way of the will of the people in the future. >> does your opponent actually know better? she seems pretty out there -- >> well i think the truth is that a abundantly clear for years. we have, along with republican state senators, like -- make sure that people have access to the facts are elections are running in a transparent and secure manner. anyone who sincerely candidates otherwise want to know the truth about our elections are welcome to find them in many ways. and yet at the same time we see really politicians and that the
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top three republican candidates for republican -- governor attorney general, and secretary of state, in michigan, all peddling election lies and have, in many ways, both the careers on doing so. and an effort to, in my view, gain control of our elections in the future. and ensure that the peoples will doesn't stand in the way of their own partisan agenda. >> and it doesn't just fuel skepticism in elections you've seen this in a site anger outside your own home. armed protesters showed up outside your home. how concerned are you in this era about people who hear these conspiracy theories, these lies, and feel compelled to take it to the extreme? obviously the governor of michigan was a present with a kidnapping and people are doing jail time for it -- >> exactly right. people have to understand these words, these hateful threats, this violent rhetoric, it has consequences. it's not just spreading lies, it's not just spreading false conspiracy theories, it's also
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putting peoples lives at risk and our families lives at risk, as we have seen play out in the tragedy with paul pelosi. so i have personally seen an uptick in threats over the last few days, we can -- and we will anticipate that they will continue, and it's tragic because it's all just rooted in lies. lies that politicians are spreading to gain political power. and they need to realize that these lies have consequences and their consequences that are real, they are harmful. and you know god willing -- never become deadly, but it certainly feels like sometimes we are on the risk of that terrible thing coming to fruition. >> so your republican opponent is one of more than ten election liars deniers -- running secretary of state, -- those people in charge of elections in those states. what would it mean if they win -- if any of them when their wages, and become secretaries of state? >> i think the three things, one will certainly see them use these platforms, these very powerful platforms of elections
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officers to further conspiracy theories and allies to associates of doubts, to digitalize our democracy, and also change the rose to make it more confusing for voters to participate in our elections. as well as make it more difficult for us to run a fair and secure elections. and then they will stand in the way potentially, as their actions in the past have shown, that the certification of a fair election results simply because they disappear with them. also, three things combined all of those, a dismantling and digitalization of democracy in our country. and that is why we say quite clearly, democracy is on the ballot this november. >> almost twice as many absentee ballots have been requested in michigan compared to the last midterm election in 2018. so as a practical matter, does not, i mean it seems like michigan voters do have faith in voting by mail. -- >> yeah and that's really the crux in a moment that we are in. we'll see enormous enthusiasm, on both sides of the aisle, here in michigan, and other states. and i was enthusiasm for voting absentee, voting by mail, despite the mountains of
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conspiracy theories that falsehoods that off-load in -- to try to discourage people from voting by mail, if they choose to do so, or voting absentee. and at the same time, all of this very good stuff, very secure election process is set up and ready to go. voters enthusiastic to participate is having alongside election deniers, running for office, and spreading misinformation about our democracy. so i'm both hopeful and optimistic about the week ahead in our elections this fall. but also very soberly minded about the challenges that we may face as we seek to ensure that every voice is heard and every voice is counted and vote. >> we can change subjects in just one -- second we heard from a number democratic candidates, and also in polls from democratic voters who like president biden, just find that they don't want him to run for reelection. they think he's too old. that's a number one reason -- he was in florida earlier today, he got noticeably confused -- he mistook the russian invasion in ukraine for the american war in iraq. he corrected himself, and then in trying to correct himself, he misstate where his son beau
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died. take a listen: >> inflation is a worldwide problem right now. as the war in iraq, there's gonna be a war in ukraine, thanking iraq's that's where my son died -- >> now is not where he's landed, although i know he does personally blame burn pits exposure, it's not having burn pit exposure for his son's death, of brain cancer. don't you think president biden might be hurting democrats with what seems like cognitive slips out on the campaign trail? >> i think the real twice in this election is one between truth and lies. we have to stay focused on that in my view, especially in these rainy days of the midterms. truly, the future of our democracy and our fundamental rights and freedoms are on the ballot. not just in michigan, but in pennsylvania, in wisconsin, in georgia, in arizona, and nevada. that is where we should be focused on and talking about. that's what i have been seeing voters want to hear. that's what they care about, they are saying that concern, and i hope that every voter in this country knows that the votes and voices that they will be making this fall will determine our ability to
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today, the general manager of the brooklyn nets basketball team address the controversy surrounding one of the teams star players, kyrie irving. >> we are involved with the atl in getting their advice. and--and just hopefully, they can advise us. we can bring something to the table that both parties, all parties, can at least be understandable to one another here. and understand there is no tolerance and no room for any hate speech, any antisemitic remarks whatsoever. >> [laughs] no tolerance except for the very tolerance he was just showing. his comments were more direct and the statement from the players union, which failed to
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mention cart kyrie irving by name. the point guard, whose name is synonymous with controversy, this time for refusing to apologize after tweeting a link to a hideously antisemitic documentary containing all sorts of anti jewish bigotry, including a false quote attributed to a former senate aide who had been murdered by terrorists in 1976. a quote attributed to him, and concocted by white supremacist in 1978 was in that film. kyrie irving is unrepentant. he's accusing his critics of dehumanizing him. that prompted my next guest, sports anchor rich eisen, to make these uncharacteristically personal remarks on his show yesterday. >> you're dehumanizing me, kyrie. i'm a jewish man, okay? descendant of people who died in gas chambers, and got incinerated by nazis. you are dehumanizing me. by putting on your platform a,
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book and movie, that is filled with antisemitic tropes. but when you put it in front of 4 million people, might not have already heard about it, or know about it, we are promoting it! >> and my friends, nfl network house which eisen joins me now. rich, i was very proud of you when you did that. and i -- i thought it was really powerful. when you heard carrie defends his post the way that he said, defensively, st. george in humanizing me, what was your reaction? >> well, i -- i thought of my kids, jake. i've got a 14 and 11, and a nine year old, and when i was there a, i had grandparents who told me about their direct relatives being killed by the nazis, just for being jewish. and the conspiracies about the holocaust not being real where exactly. that on the. fringe and now this day and age, my 14, 11, and nine in the
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world wherever single day, generations to live through the holocaust or know somebody who lived through the holocaust, those generations die off. and we get further and further away. and the fringe conspiracies, the misinformation can be seen on a phone. >> yeah. >> media, back when i was 14, 11, and nine did not put it out there. now social media is an easy way to get it out there. and the normalization of it for kyrie irving to put it on his twitter account in the same way that he did maybe years ago to promote uncle drew, which by the way, is a movie i enjoyed from him, and other things that he does charitably is normalizing it. and that makes it dangerous and particularly frightening. >> yeah, those conspiracy theories are part of what led to the holocaust. and it's what lead to violence, conspiracy theories about all sorts of groups, blacks, jews, gays, et cetera. so he maintains that his post are not a promotion. i get the sense from him that he thinks he's smarter than everybody, like he can trick us, he can outsmart us by saying it's not a promotion. he has 4. 6 million twitter
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followers. why is he doing this? >> i don't know. other than the fact at this point you have to think he truly does believe what this documentary is saying. and--until we hear otherwise, we just have to assume that. and, look, he--he i--i--as i said on my show, i don't think he needs to be told and explained how promotion works; when you put something on your twitter feed, you're telling people check this out, thus, you are supporting it. look, i--i just want in this day in age, where things are so easily placed in the mind's eye of people who can be influenced, that's what the whole concept of being called an influencer is. i want to use whatever influence i have to push back and say this normalization is not right. because if you don't speak out and you let the normalization sink in, then suddenly
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everybody else can think you believe whatever is happening is cool too. i am seeing again what kanye said, i thought adidas acted way to blithely. they did not act fast enough. but they eventually did. and in the meantime, now we saw beamed onto the stadium where the world's largest cocktail party as it's called between georgia and florida, where kanye was right about the jews was beamed on the side of a stadium. and then on the side of a building in jacksonville. we are seeing it with folks who feel easily compelled to place it on these -- placards on top of overpasses. i saw on twitter, somebody walked into a bar in soho dressed as a nazi. these are all people of generations who think it is cool, or the normalization of it makes them feel more comfortable. or they really just don't understand what the hell did happen decades ago, jake.
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we are running out of time, but just >> what do you think the nets should do? you because their mealymouthed responses have been really pathetic. >> i think that kyrie irving should be held to account. i do believe he should be held to account and have to explain himself, other than just barking back and forth with a reporter, and say he did not promote this. i would like to hear exactly what he's talking about. and there have been some people like charles barkley, a colleague of ours, certainly in your end of the business. >> charles, yes. >> sir charles said tonight that kyrie should be suspended, because others have been suspended for hate speech and other ways. i would love to see that as well. because antisemitism is just as hateful as anything else there is in the world with hate speech. and i would love to hear more people in my end of the business and media speak out about it. >> well, that's why we brought you on today. to speak out about it. my friend rich eisen, host of
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times and talk about the eastern, only here on cnn. state of late night, that is tomorrow at our coverage continues now 9 pm eastern. only here on cnn -- with laura coates, who's like our coverage continues now the reese hoskins of cnn with laura coats who is like the commentary, and alisyn camerota, the bryce harper of rhys hoskins of -- who's like the bryce harper of cnn, not anything about the phillies. cnn! [laughs] now that i >> take me out of the ball game think about a place where, now but, there you go. hi laura, hi alison, how are you >> phillies up seven nothing, doing, take notes of the, top of the sixth, looking good ballgame there you go,, no jinx. there is up >> i mean, who's watching? seven nothing top of the yesterday when we are out six looking, good don't jinx, no jinxes, no jinxes? >> i mean who's watching? right? trick-or-treating, it was rained out practically. so, it's good that it happened tonight. >> i'm just astonished. i've never compared to a sports figure, ever. >> that's big.
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