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wednesday morning, everyone. don lemon, alongside poppy harlow and kaitlan collins here. it is wednesday, november 2nd. we're so glad you chose to wake up with us and tune in. >> a big news day too. >> it is a big news day. the big questions this morning, do politicians and their families need more protection after the attack on paul pelosi? capital police making a desperate plea. >> the second question this morning, what were those officers waiting for? we have exclusive and chilling 911 audio from a 10-year-old girl named chloe. she called police, begged for help during the uvalde school m massacre. our third question is

whether or not former president barack obama had help push democrats over the line. he's campaigning with arizona katie hobbs. finally, this is an important question, what would you buy first if you won $1 $1.2 billion, meaning after you picked yourself up off the floor. the power ball jackpot soaring to record highs. we'll get to all of that. but first, the man accused of attacking paul pelosi was on quote a suicide mission. court documents revealed that's what david depape told police at the pelosis' san francisco home. he also reportedly planned to target other politicians. police say the moment depape hit pelosi with a hammer is caught on video. the police chief said it's clear

to him, the suspect tried to kill paul pelosi. capitol police learned of the incident 10 minutes after the incident when the officer noticed police lights and sirens at the home. with house speaker nancy pelosi and others becoming targets they're calling on more members to protect congress. this is a very important story here whitney. >> reporter: it's another data point on a long line of examples why this is necessary. the shooting of gabby gifford, the shooting at the ball field of steve scalise. these are examples capitol police are pointing to saying we need more resources, the political climate is becoming more and more heightened, tenser by the day and requires more

resources. political issuing a statement saying that. saying we believe today's political climate calls for more resources to provide additional layers of physical security for members of congress. they have a plan and say it would include emphasis on adding redid redundancies to the measures in place for leadership. we expect this plan will result in a formal request to comment, see how lawmakers take that. >> his first appearance yesterday, david depape, what happened? >> reporter: he pleaded not guilty, remains behind bars and is to have no contact with the pelosi family. >> thank you. we appreciate that. calls are clearly growing after the attack for increased security for members of congress, their families as well. former homeland security secretary jeh johnson said the political climate today is at least as combustible as it was in the 1960s.

listen to what he said. >> i'm a child of the 1960s. as you'll recall, within a five-year period from june 1963 to june 1968, we lost to as is nation, med gar evers, malcolm x, marlin luther king. john and robert kennedy. i think this environment we're in now is as at least as combustible as the mid 1960s. it's a miracle that no members of congress was seriously injured on january 6th. it should not require someone to die before our leaders who command a microphone, who have a voice, get together and decide we need to take the temperature down. >> he's exactly right. it should not take it. and you have sitting republican and democratic lawmakers, debbie dingle, susan collins, so many more warning someone is going to die. >> i think people, they need to be more adamant, which is a conversation that we had yesterday, adamant about

violence. there shouldn't be so much what aboutism about what is happening that shouldn't be both sides. it does happen on both sides of the aisle. our politicians should not be contributing to the violence. we tend to -- you saw the pictures of the folks there assassinated in the 1960s. we tend to want to repant size history. our history has been violent since the start of the country. but as we progress as a society and human beings, one would think we learn something from the violence that has taken place. >> one thing interesting that governor sununu said the other day, it's not just increasing security for lawmakers, that seems like an obvious answer. nancy pelosi has security, but she wasn't home at the time the attack happened. he talked about it being a fundamental conversation in society how the fact we get to this where politicians are so dehumanized that people think things like what david depape did is okay. that he felt like he was called

to do that on this suicide mission. >> he was coopted and in large part by politicians. and that is the point. the people -- we the people decide who the politicians are going to be. but if those politicians aren't honest in their actions and in their words, then you end up with a david depape and other violence. >> and the fbi is warning of an increase of it around the midterms. >> there's a lot to discuss, especially when it comes to violence here. talking about david depape, that was in california, but also in texas as well. >> obviously the aftermath of the uvalde school shooting and what happened there is still present here. and we are learning new details that are incredibly chilling, including it took 40 minutes -- >> yeah. >> -- for police to react. after a 10-year-old girl repeatedly called 911 from her classroom, asking and begging them for help, asking them to send a police officer to her classroom as the uvalde school

massacre was unfolding. the call has been obtained exclusively by cnn. cnn's shimon prokupecz is the one who broke this story. it's difficult to read the quotes from chloe in here. as she was calling repeatedly saying i don't want to die, my teacher is dead, oh my god. >> and this goes on and on and on for 20 minutes. it doesn't just end. and then more calls from chloe. >> she's 10 years old. >> a remarkable young lady. so composed on the call just begging. but not only that, her heroic efforts. this is why her parents wanted her story out there. we spoke to them before we aired this, obviously, and they gave us permission to air it. it's one of the most terrifying things i have listened to. for 20 minutes to hear kids begging for the police to come in and save their lives. but also the importance of this is is that it shows just how horrendous the police response was that day. we should warn viewers some of the audio you're about to hear

may be difficult to listen to. >> advising we have a child on the line. >> reporter: this was the moment everything at the scene in uvalde should have changed. at 12:10 p.m. on may 24th, fourth grader chloe torres, who survived the shooting was inside room 112 at robb elementary and spoke to 911. police just a few feet away in the hallway were just minutes later made aware the worst case scenario was unfolding. chloe along with classmates and teachers, some dead or dying were alone, trapped with an active shooter. it's the phone call that should have made the difference. instead, it would be another 40 minutes until police finally enter the room and kill the gunman. cnn has obtained the call never made public until now. a warning to our viewers, it's painful to hear. we're choosing to play portions of the audio with the approval of chloe's parents. and because it is crucial to understanding the full scope of

the law enforcement failure that day. >> i'm in a school shooting. >> multiple units. are you with officers or barricaded somewhere? >> i'm in classroom, what room, room 112. >> room 12. >> 112, yes. there's a lot of dead bodies. >> stay on the line. you're in room 112? >> yes, ma'am. please send help. >> you can hear injured people in the room crying out in pain. the dispatcher asks chloe to tell her classmates to stay quiet. she does her best. >> they need to be quiet.

>> i am. i'm telling everybody to be quiet and now nobody is listening to me. i know how to handle the situation. >> less than two minutes into the call, at 12:12 p.m. the uvalde dispatcher sends an urgent message to police on the scene. >> 320 go ahead with the information. >> the child is advising he is in the room full of victims, full of victims at this moment. >> 10-4. can you confirm to see if that shooter is still standing or has he shot himself? >> reporter: if active shooting protocol had been followed, the dispatch should have triggered police to spring into action and breach the classroom. instead, 38 minutes were allowed to go by with more officers arrive on scene with more equipment until something is done. nearly 400 officers responded in uvalde, chloe wanted to know

where they were. >> is someone on the way? >> they're inside the building. you need to stay quiet. >> they're in the building we just need to stay quiet. >> reporter: on the other side of the door the law enforcement response was dig organized and chaotic. police on scene thought the shooter was a barricaded subject and not an active shooter. chloe's call makes it clear an active shooter situation is unfolding. body camera footage from loyal and state police departments obtained by cnn shows the officers on scene news about the phone call and that there were children inside the room, hurt and in desperate need of medical attention. >> we hadn't heard that. we're in the fours, right? this is building 4.

>> anybody hurt? >> no. >> active shooter. >> he's in here. >> he's in here, yeah. >> the last contact we had was one of our school pd officers his wife is a teacher she called and said she's dying. >> they had a kid in room 112, there were multiple victims. [bleep]. >> and shimon, you were the reason the parents actually got -- chloe's parents got to hear this 911 call. >> right. >> can you tell us how that evolved. >> when we started reporting on the story we reached out to the family, the parents, jamie and reuben, we played the audio for them in the entirety. jamie i could tell was crying on the other end, it was the first time they had listened to this call. what's been happening in this investigation, is that it's been shutdown. no one is providing any information to the families. the only way they're learning information is through us, through reporters, and a lot of the information that we've been

able to obtain and report on. it should not be that way, but sadly that's what's happening now. >> it is really sad. and shimon, thank you. it's important for people to hear this, to speak to the level of just how bad that police response was. >> thank you. so shimon was just talking about the parents. and joining us now, chloe's parents, jamie and reuben torres. this is the first interview since the shooting. thank you for joining us. we're so sorry for what happened to chloe and everybody in uvalde. you're brave for doing this. the details are terrifying. i have to ask first off, how is chloe? >> she's not doing very good. she's a really strong girl so one day at a time is how we have to do it. >> jamie, it is every mother's, every father's worst nightmare

to imagine this happening to their child. when shimon called you and played this for you and we heard your little girl begging please send the police soon, please send the police soon, what was it like as a mother to hear her have to beg for that? >> extremely sad. i'm really upset about it. no words can describe the feeling. >> are you bean, reading this, she's repeatedly calling the operator and at one point your daughter said, i'm telling everyone to be quiet, but nobody is listening to me. i understand what to do in these situations. my dad taught me when i was a little girl. i know she's just 10 years old. what did you have -- what kind of conversations did you have with her before this? >> well, the -- you know, the

shootings ain't a surprise. they're happening all over our country, unfortunately. so when shootings happen like this, i give scenarios. i was a marine, and, you know, i try to prepare them as much as possible how to handle themselves in situations like that, how to help. that's the biggest thing. unfortunately that's the one thing that didn't happen to her and her teachers and her students that day. they received absolutely zero help. >> it's sad that you have to do this, but considering what's happening, you know, school shootings happen all the time and it's sad because they -- they stopped getting the attention that they deserve. this story obviously deserves everyone's attention. it should stay at the top of the headline in the paper and the top of the newscast, as it is now. and you felt that you had to prepare your child, and luckily you did, because of so many

things that are happening. >> yeah. you know, and we see it now, you know, as we go on day by day, she -- i know, i talked to shimon on the phone, she's just more -- you know, more aware now, she's actually, you know, a lot of those kids actually that day, in my opinion, stopped being kids that day and now have to be as grown, as parents, in survival mode, protection mode. and that's what we see with our daughter and that's what we hear from the other survivors as well. and it's very -- it's pretty sad. not just them, teachers as well now, they're being distracted from actually doing and performing their duties and their job as teachers in which teaching, now they have to, you know, do these drills. now they have to be security guards when that's not their profession and it's pretty sad.

>> on the preparation, you -- sorry poppy, you prepared her for this, but can you prepare a child for what happened after this? that's the question that i don't think any parent can do. >> when you think that what happened to you -- nobody thinks it could happen to them. but i strongly advise all parents to talk about situations like this. you never know when they're going to use it. >> and with us, it was simply the phones -- i know phones are real huge nowadays. just to have their phones and to be able to think in situations like that and be able to use their phones that day. going back she would always take her phone and i would notice that there would be a distraction. so she was honoring us by not taking her phone because she knew it was a distraction. so she was honoring us in that

way and showing us, hey, i want to respect y'all's wishes and not take my phone that day and it's heartbreaking because man she should have had her phone. these are little things that can be crucial in a situation like that. and the way i prepare them is, you know, always -- you know, in life, things going on around us, always have your phone charged at night, on the road by yourself make sure you have your flashlight, be constantly on the lookout. it's just extremely sad to be talking that way. >> jamie, i think, don, you made such a good point because you said how do you prepare your child for what happens after this? as i understand it, jamie, khloie is not going to school, she has online schooling. you have a tutor twice a week. it says khloie strong on the

state of texas behind you. this is a life-long fight she is going to have to fight. it never ends, does it? >> no, it'll never end. you know, she's very different now. >> can i ask, before we let you go, we're so grateful that you two are coming on to talk about this, because we know how difficult it is. but what is it like to prepare chloe to talk to her and have these conversations with her about what she should do if she's ever in this situation and then have the adults paid and trained to respond to this situation wait that long, waiting 40 minutes of her calling repeatedly to ask for helps before they responded? >> it's really sad like that she had to do all that. and wait so long.

like the officers didn't want to go in because they were waiting for armor or back up, all the kids didn't have backup in there. nobody had armor in there. you know, they were -- they went through a lot and they had absolutely no help from the police. >> clearly -- >> protecting and serving us. >> clearly the adults failed her, but you are serving your child very well. thank you very much jamie and reuben, we appreciate you joining us. please keep in touch with us so we know the progress and how you're doing. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having us. >> wow, awful. she was failed. >> what a brave girl. >> great parents. >> as we go to break here, those are the people who died, sadly, the students and teacher who died in that. we'll be right back. i had a bad relationship with my student loan. the interest was costing me...

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is, quote, no effective defense against the ballistic missiles that iran is planning to send to russia. a ukrainian air force officials warns the missiles supplied will allow russian forces to strike anywhere inside ukraine. this is a huge development and it could mean the war falling to russia's side. clarissa ward joins us live from kyiv. this is so important, they've been saying, the ukrainians, we have air power but we don't have the defense needed for these missiles coming from iran. >> reporter: that's right. basically what they're saying is we have air defense but we don't have missile defense. and we don't have anything that really defends against these types of missiles. there are two ballistic missiles they're concerned about, one can travel about 200 miles, the other can go 500 miles. and what the air force is basically saying is, if you're firing those, positioning those on ukraine's northern border

they can hit anywhere inside the country and they just don't have the equipment to effectively intercept them. that's not the only thing they're anticipating that the iranians are sending to the russians in the beginning of november, any day now we're talking about. the other thing they're concerned about are the drones. they have roughly five times the amount of explosives they can carry than the shaw head drones which we have seen be used with devastating effect here in ukraine. so a lot of concern in the coming days you could see some major weaponry arriving on the battlefield they don't know how to contend with, frankly. >> this heading into the winter, into an energy crisis across europe, which russia has much of the power on. we have learned that power outages in kyiv are becoming much more widespread. how much does that complicate their ability to defend against all of this?

>> reporter: so the irony is right now poppy, it is like unbelievably warm for this time of year. you can see i'm wearing a light sweater in kyiv. but normally it would be very cold this time of year. you can certainly expect in the coming weeks the temperatures are going to plummet. today, even, three days after that initial barrage on monday of russian missiles targeting civilian infrastructure, there are still 18,000 households here in kyiv that have no power. we've heard from the kyiv mayor, he said they're going to set up heating centers during the winter, a thousand of them around the city where there will be generators, water, it'll be warm, get a cup of tea, charge your cell phone. so they're trying to grapple with the moment to mitigate the damage and devastation this could have but they have warned people this is going to be the toughest winter ukrainians have

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this just in, we have major news on russia's war on ukraine. r russia has just said it will resume the participation in the deal that allowed grain trapped in the ukrainian ports to continue to be exported. this has huge impacts on food supplies around the world. russia had threaten today suspend their participation. so we'll talk about this with u.s. ambassador to the united nations linda thomas-greenfield joining us on set. we are so grateful for you to be here today to answer our questions. >> thank you, delighted to be here. >> this is massive news. russia said it's going to suspend its participation now saying it will not do so. what are the implications of this, and what is behind russia's announcement here?

>> i heard the news as i was coming into the show this morning and i was delighted to hear this news. i want to first commend the u.n., the secretary general in particular for continuing to negotiate this important deal because it's providing needed food to the world. so clearly russia was finally convinced that they needed to continue this. they can't stand in the way of feeding the entire world. 66 million tons of grain have been shipped from the black sea since this deal started. and the vast majority of that is going to poor countries in need of wheat. world food program gets about 50% of the wheat it uses for humanitarian assistance from ukraine and russia. >> what was behind the convincing? >> i think it was the fact they

benefit from this deal as well because it's also moving grain from russia. and just to make the point, this grain has never been sanctioned. the russians tried to make that argument that we were sanctioning agricultural products. we never sanctioned those products and this is beneficial to russia as well. >> can we ask about iran, we had the reporting on cnn yesterday that was so important. we know iran is sending drones to russia. and now they're talking about sending ballistic missiles to russia, which is significant. what can the united nations to do to pressure iran to stop sending drones and not send ballistic missiles to russia to use. >> first of all there are already sanctions for buying weapons from iran. there's a resolution being violated right now by iran and by the russians. and we are going to ramp up the

pressure to bring other nations on board to condemn these actions. but also to hold iran and russia, and any others dealing with russia accountable. >> what does that look like, the ramping up of pressure on iran? >> it looks like bringing this before the security council, condemning it in the security council, forcing russia and continuing to isolate russia in the security council. but also to hold those countries who are assisting iran and assisting russia accountable through the sanctions that we already have in place. >> this is a very simple question, and i think it's an overarching question that americans ask. what are we going to do about vladimir putin? >> you know, putin is really showing his lack of leadership. he is showing the world that he does not care about what the

impact of what he's doing on the world. he's isolated. we will continue to isolate him. and we will continue to publicize what he's doing so that he's not legitimized in the eyes of the world, nor is he legitimized in his own country. >> ambassador, talking about vladimir putin and that's such a critical question you asked, don, the g20 is coming up this month. kaitlan will be there for us. and president biden sat down with jake tapper a few weeks ago. i want people to hear what he told jake about possibly meeting with russian president vladimir putin. here he was. >> would you be willing to meet with him at the g20? >> i have no intention of meeting with him. for example, if he came to me at the g20 and said i want to talk about the release of griner, i'd meet with him. it would depend. >> that was not a door closed answer. so i wonder if you think the u.s. sees, do you see an upside

for any kind of meeting, any face-to-face between vladimir putin and president biden at the g20, especially if it could potentially lead to the release, for example, of brittney griner? >> i think the president was clear on what his intentions are. he has no plans to meet with putin, but he did say very, very clearly and this is something that is a high priority for the president and the entire administration is to get american citizens, including brittney griner, released from russia. so the president clearly indicated that he's prepared to do that. but we have not seen any evidence that the russians are prepared to release her. >> we had our correspondent will ripley on this morning talking about the unprecedented move from north korea overnight, firing 23 missiles and the response from south korea. explain to our viewers how

unprecedented this reaction is, what's your reaction this morning? >> it's unprecedented that there were so many. but they have been continuously launching missiles over the past year, and we have continued to condemn them, because they break multiple security council resolutions. the chinese and the russians join us in those condemnations earlier now they have protected this regime, and we have to put pressure on them to improve on and really enhance the sanctions that we already have imposed on them. >> so biden will say that to president xi at the g20? >> i don't know what the president will say, but i know it's on the president's mind. >> two questions for you that we have to ask while we have you with us. one, this new new york times report saying senior russian military leaders have met to

talk about when and how russia might use a nuclear weapon if they do. have you seen that intelligence that they're having those discussions, and what is it? >> i'm not going to share any intelligence that i've seen. but this is absolutely irresponsible. it is not the action that we would expect from a permanent member of the security council. they sign on themselves last year to a statement by the p-5 that the use of nuclear weapons should never take place. and the fact that they're doing this shows that they have no confidence in themselves and they're looking at every possibility to try to defeat the ukrainians. and again, we will condemn these actions. and bring this before the council as well. >> and the last topic for you, israel is obviously having an important moment right now. and it looks like benjamin netanyahu is about to

potentially make a come back, what's the united states' reaction to that? >> i can't comment on the elections in israel. but i will say we have a close relationship with the israelis. we support israel in the united nations. and their elections will be determined by them. but our support for israel's right to defend itself, for the unfair treatment of israel in the united nations, which i deal with on a regular basis, we will continue to fight against. >> i'm going to keep you a little bit longer. i know producers want to move on, but since we have you here, you're an important guest. i have to ask what's happening with iran and human rights and women, i know that's an important subject to you. >> it is an important subject. today we will have a meeting on iran where we will be highlighting the conditions of iranian women and supporting the right -- their right to protest.

we will be bringing a number of countries together and hopefully send a message. one to the iranian women that we support them, but two, to the iranian government that their actions are unacceptable. >> could we be doing more? instead of standing by, giving our support, saying we support, we support, could we -- >> with internet -- >> we are doing more. we have already sanctioned the morality police, we're sanctioning others who are engaged with these -- with these protests and what they're doing against the protesters. and we will continue to look for other actions that we can take to hold the iranian government accountable for these horrific acts against women and other protesters. >> ambassador we're so happy you came in this morning. you spent a little more time with us than we had expected, but again, these are really

important topics and e we're so glad to have you, of all people, weigh in on them. did you get everything in that you wanted to talk about? >> i did. thank you for focussing on these important issues. >> they're critical. critical to our audience and the world. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. up next we'll talk about a federal judge restricting a right wing group as voters are feeling intimidated. we will also discuss that and the latest in the race to be the next governor of arizona. democratic candidate katie hobbs joins us. >> there she is.

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shot of the capitol there, this morning a federal judge in arizona imposing new restrictions against right-wing groups after voters complained about aggressive patrols of ballot drop boxes in that state. >> i covered my plate because they're taking pictures. this is what we've come to in america. they call themselves patriots. really? >> here in the swing state of arizona, armed men stalking vote drop boxes and people covering identities as they go to vote. >> the guy standing over there has his face covered and he's armed. what's that tell you? they don't want you to vote. >> reporter: drop boxes. >> it called 2,000 mules.

>> reporter: central to all of this is the movie "2,000 mules." trump even hosted a screening of it as mar-a-lago. the movie falsely claims that so-called mules are casting hundreds or thousands of votes at drop boxes. >> we're actually seeing mules being intimidated from doing their thievery. >> reporter: the organizer behind. the drop box watchers says she was inspired by the movie to take action. >> we believe there was something stolen in 2020 and just because you don't, we do. >> reporter: the people we're seeing not mules, they are real voters who are now afraid. >> i could never come down here alone. i couldn't do it myself. >> reporter: too scary? >> it's just flat out insane. it's voter intestimony dags. >> reporte -- intimidation. >> this is not a technical report that would hold any

water, not research that would hold any water. it's pretty clear they're deeply unimpressed with this as well. >> reporter: even former attorney general bill barr, who was appointed by trump told this to the january 6th committee. >> the election was not stolen by fraud. and i haven't seen anything since the election that changes my mind on that, including the 2,000 mules movie. >> if you talk to people who don't believe the election was fair in 2020, nine times out of ten one of the first things they're going to bring up is 2,000 mules. >> you've seen it? >> i have. >> what do i think? >> very accurate. sfli >> i think they're going to try it again. >> they swear by the movie. how many times have you seen it? >> four times. >> "election" three times.

>> the chairman of the county board of supervisors warned the movie is a threat to democracy. >> these are people exercising their right to vote in democracy. this dehumanization that's going on in our political discourse right now is very dangerous because it does justify the use of violence. >> reporter: people who want to watch "2,000 mules" have to pay up to $20 or $30, a price many are willing to pay. >> i bought actually the "2,000 mules" to hand out to friends that are nonbelievers and they come back and go "oh my god, i had no idea." >> how many copies did you buy? >> not all republicans want to buy into the lies. >> i'm a republican, an morning first. >> it's funny. i voted a lot of times. i'm in my 60s and this is the first time an election has ever been stolen.

come on. >> a running ruled. >> just quickly, just to be clear, these are democrats and republicans that are equally disturbed by this. >> that last gentleman lifelong republican and he thinks this is all a disgrace. >> thank you, great reporting. >> as always, talking about that and a lot more is arizona gubernatorial candidate secretary hobbs. i have to ask your reaction to the reporting. we heard from republicans and democrats very concerned about this. >> yeah. absolutely, this is something that my office has been concerned about as well. we have continued to forward complaints of this type of

activity to the department of justice. i'm very glad about the ruling yesterday that provided for a restraining order on this type of activity because we have received so many reports of voters feeling intimidated. >> i have to ask you, listen, why not -- i want to talk about your debating. why not debate your opponent? if you believe your opponent has issues and is spreading conspiracy theories and is not being truthful with the people of arizona, why then not get on the debate stage and debate her? >> you know, not only is carrie lake centered her entire platform around this election, she has shown she's not interested in any kind of substantive conversation, she's creating a spectacle. >> wouldn't be it easier to knock it down in front of everyone, in front of the most

people because you're not stopping her from spreading whatever you believe that she is spreading by not depatrioting her. s -- debating her. she can go on television but you're not confronting her on it. seems like it would be an easy fix if you stood up on a debate stage and confronted her. >> our campaign strategy is our campaign strategy. i'm continuing to make my case to the voters of arizona. whether or not we debate in this race, we made a decision, didn't want to be a par t of her spectacle and she won't answer these tough questions to real reporters. >> but, secretary, it's not just her that you wouldn't debate. you did not debate your democratic primary opponent, marco lopez.

why? >> i was miles ahead of him in the race and won handily. it's a totally different situation here. >> well, it's not debating your opponent again. have you ever debated your opponent running for political office? >> yes, i have. >> why do you think it wasn't important for people to see a debate in this election for governor at all? >> in the primary i was focused on the general election, i was miles ahead of my opponent. it wasn't an issue. >> talking about policy issue, arizona has one of the biggest inflation rates, a lot driven by the high cost of housing. has your party done an effective

job of communicating to voters what your economic message is? >> i don't know about my party. i can tell you we're talking about the economy to voters every single day. it's one of the top concerns and we're talking about the plans that we have to actually address, inflation and the skyrocketing prices and groceries and everything else. i have an affordable arizona plan. we unveiled our housing plan yesterday and these are plans that provide real solutions, that put money back in people's pockets, give them tax breaks on every day items. my plan is really good. so that's what we're talking to arizonans about, how we can provide meaningful relief on day within. kari lake's plan makes inflation worse. >> you spoke with our colleague dana bash recently. i didn't feel like you really

answered her question on abortion. what limits on abortion do you support? >> i have been unequivocal in this answer. i believe the decision to have an abortion should be between a woman and her doctor period. politicians and the government don't belong in these kind of decisions. >> does that mean as governor you would veto any law with any limit on abortion? >> i would veto any additional restrictions. >> thank you, secretary hobbs. we appreciate your time this morning. >> thanks very much. >> we'll be right back. >> there you go. ♪ here goes nothing. hey greg. h...hello?

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